Purchase to. Probably they agreed that people understood the prices, how much it costs, no, there is no difference, im just talking about the fact that with a trumpian in the house of representatives, it will be blocked, that is, it is here, its not its not that, the most important thing, i think the first and most important thing is that there must be national unity, and we have periodic outbreaks of such, lets say, not only critics, criticism is a normal thing, certain destructive moments, the second moment. A fundamentally important thing is the issue of fighting corruption, and thats not the point, we we know that it exists, we know approximately its volume, but the most important thing is that it is our enemies they use and increase it, you must have seen how there was such a fake about zelskys wife that she bought there for millions , yes, of course, this is a lie, but you know, the garden was waiting, as in the joke, but you want to say that it is falling fertile ground, such fakes, when they dont like us, when they say that. Ukraine is a Money Laundering machine for biden, for the democrats, then, of course, that it fits into this belief, because the belief is absurd, thats actually the trumpians these are such people, those who do not like us in europe, they are the same people, then it is clear that the success of the Defense Forces is the most important thing, because they will push the wave , lets say defamine, which europeans will give us something, regarding taoisttype weapons, we will get them, i am here absolutely. I am sure, they will push, mr. Scholz, the question is selfrestraint , he is afraid of escalation, and he was afraid from the very beginning , you remember, at first the helmets were still for merkel, yes, then there is the third world, when the leopards will give us, and the same story, because where will we hit with these, means torus along the crimean bridge, and this is a sacred city for of the Russian Federation and everything else, it can be hit, then we hit others. That is why the british did the right thing, the british understand the empty threats of the Russian Federation, that is why they were the first to provide us with missiles, tanks and many other things that are not well publicized there, and they will press scholz, the most important thing, i think, is to push them into washington, they need to realize their mistake in initially being afraid to give us enough to quickly wake up the russians and possibly lead to a collapse of the Russian Federation, they. Are more afraid of this than the sure loss of ukraine, so they are still afraid, yes, of course, it did not go anywhere, but another issue is that the return of the liberation of crimea to ukraine, this can bring victory and the end of the war closer, but it will definitely not be a one hundred percent guarantee that russia will crumble, but we hope that it will, yes, that they will kill each other, and not us, and actually the europeans have the same story, which they should understand, we limited resources, first of all human, because the best people die, secondly, we have 3540 million there, and women give birth to 140 million , yes, that is, in principle, you cannot compare, now we have an advantage from the point of view of the available resources, but we can to lose if there is a pause, so it seems to me that the first and most important thing is to work from the point of view of changing strategic approaches, this is the level of experts, diplomats and the level of the president , and everything else, the fight against corruption, is an issue of our entire society, and precisely in that context as said not only real corruption, but also the perception of this corruption the border, which is used against us, well, that is the way i understand the okhilesov pita, which is very clearly the heel of ukraine, formed in the world as part of an image and no matter who hits it, it achieves its goal, because this part is absolutely supported by us , okay, in conclusion, i will add one phrase, what a moment, maybe now it seems as if it is not entirely plausible, but it should be considered as an option, because we have a discussion very often, i hear about the collapse of russia, but the United States of america does not want this, in reality, it is the same another very powerful player on the eurasian continent, which we do not forget and often mention china , the meeting that is planned, after all, it has been planned for a long time, and sinzipina, will it not be a subject of conversation between these two countries, the distribution of russia by spheres of influence, because the United States of america wants to have everything in russia, china wants to have everything in russia, russia is afraid that it will not be absorbed by china, then the likely option is that this summit, which will take place between the heads of these two states, may be included. On the agenda to have the very question of how russia will continue to exist, and how we will benefit from it, we will only be positive, if they are divided orally, it will be enough for us, the more problems of the Russian Federation, the better for us no, i agree that the topic ukraine will obviously be discussed there by 200 , and the topic you mentioned will definitely be heard there, and i hope that these leaders will consider at least some nearterm perspective for their countries, because they named two countries that are playing a long game, who are definitely trying to build a strategy under. Which the whole world is adjusting to, lets say goodbye on this positive note then , thank you once again to our guests, valery klachok, oleksandr hara, ivan stupak, thank you for coming, i think that about the topic of how america and china will be to divide russia, we will still find an excuse, we must talk in this studio, because we need to understand either how realistic this story is, or lets put this fairy tale aside and forget it, yes, bury it, lets not put on glasses and invent some interesting fairy tales, well, thanks to our viewers for your attention, and we pass the floor to the News Television service ahead of the news in literally 15 minutes, and with you today were maksym sukhenko, i, marichko padlyko, and our guests, whom we thank for your thoughts, for your experience, and for the optimistic conclusion of our hold on and everything will be fine ukraine, goodbye. Chevorony, approaching victory. 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Natalia i am yevhen plinsky, today we will talk about a topic that is definitely of interest to everyone, even those ukrainians who have never been interested in the events that take place outside the country, we are talking about International Support and the difficult period of relations with european partners, well, europeanpolitical riots, they take place against the background of tragic events, in fact, first the village of groza in kharkiv oblast, then kharkiv itself, these news are definitely seen by european politicians who are against. Giving ukraine weapons, but will they change their rhetoric after this escalation that has started now, what will happen next, how will it affect the front in these events , and why some representatives of european Political Forces frankly do not see russian terrorism, how to actually perceive the preelection and postelection turmoil in europe, we will talk with our guest taras simeniuk, an International Political scientist, congratulations, thank you will visit, good night. Mr. Taras, i would like to start immediately with the latest statement of Volodymyr Zelenskyi in spain, who is already openly and loudly talking about the freezing of the war, about the fact that russia is considering this scenario and specifically names the date 2028 and emphasizes that if europe does not help ukraine now , then some European Countries may also find themselves at the epicenter of russian aggression, this is no longer a hint, but a frank conversation about the whole world. Do you think this is more of a political statement or a real realistic one. The scenario that can happen in 2028, in fact the president , he repeatedly emphasizes and mentions that there is a danger of a frozen conflict, and remember there was a moment when the president hinted, it was at the un assembly, that some kind of things are happening behind the back of ukraine there are certain negotiations, certain discussions are taking place, and this is true, yes, that is, they are discussing on the sidelines, because ukraine is important, and if ukraine is being discussed, it means that it is important, but in the perspective of the war, obviously, we must understand that we are approaching stage, when not so much, we have to rely on someone, but we have to rely on ourselves , it is unpleasant, it is, but it is so so so is the truth, it is difficult, europe and the United States of america help us a lot with weapons, they will help, its not that they dont want to help us, but the Democratic Institutions in the countries of the European Union and those in the United States, they Pay Attention to. Their internal politics, how the process of helping ukraine is going, so that we understand, every government of a european country , he makes certain fateful decisions, strategic decisions, especially regarding assistance to ukraine, based on Public Opinion in their country, that is, if conditionally, in the netherlands, lets take, yes, a country that before the war was somewhat neutral towards our country, if support. Us, the support of sympathy, or the socalled empathy for ukrainians, because of the war is high , yes, that is, they support us and believe that ukraine needs to be defended, give it weapons, then the government, for example, mark rutte, can very easily give us weapons and give all its 42 aircraft f16, which the netherlands actually owns. For me, the most important thing is to get the approval of society, well, he already got it, that is, sociologists have shown that, look, there is support, so there are no political risks, because in europe, governments are measured by ratings and attitudes towards themselves, well, that is, they see the next elections in the future , by the way, in the netherlands there will be elections in november of this year, and you know this, the cascade of elections that will take place in europe, this is a continuation after poland, but we have to live, because we we see that the closer the elections in poland are, the more ambiguous the statements become in relation to ukraine. Side of this process, if the society begins there, and sometimes artificially shakes that ukraine does not really need to be helped, and ukraine creates certain problems, well, as in the agrarian sphere in poland, then the politicians instantly react and Start Playing along with this mood, and here i will tell you that we are now moving to such an interesting stage, and i would separate two diplomacy, there is the diplomacy of justice, and there is the diplomacy of interests. And the diplomacy of war, i would added no yet, i said, lets, lets deal with these two for the time being, so that we can sort out what the problem is, what the problem is, so when president zelenskyi shows the bully, when he shows the atrocities that the russians will commit to our people, to our people, with our people, it includes the diplomacy of justice, that is, the world sees, the world changes its attitude, what happened , for example, with the chancellor of germany, who visited chernihiv oblast and even came under fire and had to hide in a shelter, er, that worked for his change, and after this this trip, scholz actually gave the green light to arming ukraine from his state, that is, the diplomacy of justice works, that is, there is a country that started a war, a country that kills the civilian population of a neighboring state, it justly needs to be given weapons for defense and for the restoration of its territorial purpose. But now we are moving to the diplomacy of interests, when president zelensky speaks at the Un General Assembly about the fact that we have neighbors, we have, even he said not neighbors, but there are our allies, without naming anyone, at the same time, yes, which seem to be cooperating, repeating moscows steps, what will we get in return, polands answer, yes, so. You consider us to be such allies of moscow, so we are closing payments to your citizens , refugees, we are closing the transport corridor, because our interests in the framework of the elections taking place now in poland are more important than the geopolitical state of our country and even the war that russia has started, or maybe Volodymyr Zelenskyy is conducting war diplomacy, he already openly declares that this is not diplomacy, her diplomacy is something else, but he emphasizes justice and he is right, that is, in our perspective. Diplomacy of justice must continue to work, but poland thinks from a different perspective and its own interests, that is, when, when we had the opportunity to transport our grain. Through poland to the ports of kdansk and gdynia, from where they were already going on ships to the sea, some companies somehow managed to dump this grain and sell it on the territory of poland, by which they actually dumped the prices on the market and polish farmers were left with nothing, accordingly, they turned to the ruling power, namely the ruling power, law, law and justice, it serves the interests of small and mediumsized farmers, and there are no latifundists in poland. There is only a small and mediumsized farmer, and accordingly, in this regard, they say, yes, look , our interests are suffering, and poland is changing its diplomacy from justice, which it worked for before, to the interests of protecting the National Interests of its state, this is the harsh truth , its a cruel truth, but thats how it works in the European Union, that is, we are now we are moving to a time when justice will not always work in diplomacy, and this does not mean, we should emphasize it, but we are not heard, because they include their interests, and this is happening with hungary, the same, it is happening today with slovakia, so far there are certain signals of such interests, well, with other countries, that is, germany does not give us taurus, taurus missiles, due to the fact that it did not receive approval from washington, because the attacks were allegedly promised to us by washington, biden personally, germanys position of communication. States are the first to give weapons, germany is supported as it was, but do you understand why, for example, because germany is fully dependent, its defense is built on the basis of the United States of america, because since the beginning of the second world war, germany has reduced its military presence in this country, that is, there has been demilitarization after the defeat of germany, after the second war , here is the historical consequence, so obviously germany is looking at the United States of america with suspicion, as they will be told, and then, in fact, germany will make a decision on taurus, which was a decisive decision on leopards, its the same, that is, you dont need to be convinced yet, and apparently, well, thats how it turns out , it boils down to the fact that they constantly need time, and they prick, prick, prick the situation, and then that, we give you leopards, and so it turns out , that is, if we talk about two diplomacy, two ways of diplomats, obviously we have, president zelenskyy talks about justice and he constantly talks about it, but it is not always appropriate, as he says to me. About diplomacy, it does not always work, especially now , when there is danger the fact that some European Countries will come to power, lets call them pacifists, that is, those who dont, who want to distance themselves from the war, to protect themselves from the war, its not our war, okay, we gave ukraine weapons, lets let ukraine will show some result on the battlefield, and then we will, you know, think about some other things, after all, the war is a global thing, we will arm ourselves, well, this is cynical, on the one hand, when especially the iskanders fly in and kill more than 50 people, obviously im with you, this extremely cynical, but we have to understand that there are those, there will be a time when our allies will treat us cynically, and i dont want to scare anyone, but we dont mean that we have to sit down, you know, and cry, and how else do you know , in the ancient times, even in the old testament, they said to scatter yourself and consider yourself great, no, we have to adapt to this moment, we have to understand that the diplomacy of interests is what we have to work with, we have, yes, so if it wasnt worth it, you need to calculate the steps ahead, conditionally, if we include some bank, i am talking about the otp bank of hungary, we include in the list, conditionally there are sponsors, yes, did we understand what this could lead to, because hungary is now blocking all our decisions, literally across the European Union, the first demand was this remove this bank from the list, it was removed, and now they have gone further , they say, and we want a guarantee that you will not include it again, that is, this is, you see, the diplomacy of interests, it involves a different approach to the assessment situ, before Risk Assessment, im talking about risks, Risk Assessment in business extremely important today, because if you do not compare risks and opportunities, you will not have profit and everything, and your business will collapse. Therefore, it is extremely important to calculate the risks in diplomacy, somewhere you include the diplomacy of justice, and somewhere you have to include interests, because you understand that justice does not work here, no matter how much you tell orban that the war is cruel and russia started the war kills our population, its like a pea against a wall, he has a completely different vision, and here we need to change the approach to hungary, change attitude, it is possible to really include interests so that the hungarians are also in favor of some of our possibilities, and then they will be more conciliatory, the fact that hungary, slovakia and poland are also dependent on the european budget, because they receive funds, if, for example, earlier. I saw very interesting statistics, for example, italy pays there , for example, 20 billion euros to european funds, receives 12 less in return, hungary pays three, receives five, well, someone is in profit, that is, hungary is in profit in this regard, and in this case we understand that smaller countries in europe, they are dependent on the european budget, and this is the main trump card, this is the wild card that can actually be used in negotiations, plus the nato factor and the presence of the United States of america, repeatedly, budapest changed its decision when , when the white house was on the phone and , well, lets say, had a tough conversation with budapest. And why didnt we calculate the risks with poland when we started the grain corridor through poland and didnt see this scenario that the grain that our businessmen dump there can lead to this, well, to the development of events that we are in favor of. Whether it is about the account of our diplomacy, whether it is the shortsightedness of our business, or the other, i think there are two factors here, we proceed from the fact that what our business had expectations, that is, in our country, on the one hand, russia is destroying our infrastructure, that is, we we cannot export our grain, we have enough of it, there are still stocks from last year , as they say, it is being supported, the new harvest is coming, and we do not know what to do with it, obviously, they are farmers. They are looking for an opportunity as soon as possible where to sell, there was an opportunity to sell in poland, but here is the question, poland immediately began to appeal, yes, and who bought this grain, yes , poles, polish companies, therefore, if the polish government wants to talk about sanctions against us, let them also be subject to sanctions the companies that bought this grain and the polish trader, who has the choice to buy polish grain conditionally there for 250, and he takes ours for 100, will obviously take ours for 100 and it does not yield. Market, the market in the market always works if the price is lower, obviously everyone goes where the price is lower, especially if the quality does not yield, on the other hand, if we talk about strategic relations between states, this is already a question for our authorities, this is already a question for the elites, for the minister, for the prime minister, this is not about diplomacy, the relevant ministries are working, we put it questions on the air of the minister of agrarian policy, and he speaks. We will talk about the fact that they are conducting negotiations, and why relations with poland have become more passable, we will talk in two minutes, chevrons who are approaching victory. 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The simple stage of ukraines relations with poland and International Support, which we really need, but whether it will be in the near future due to all these difficulties, including the election process in the eu, we analyze on our broadcast. Mr. Taras, we concluded that the issue of the grain conflict with poland is, on the one hand, purely a matter of business, yes, who buys, polish traders they bought grain where it was cheaper, on the other hand it was converted into diplomatic and already political problems that are brewing in relations with poland, the risks that have arisen, was it possible to calculate them, how should we get out of them right now , i think it was possible to calculate, this is already a question of the relevant ministry, obviously, negotiators and business, yes, that is, in my opinion it should look as follows, the minister calls another, i say look, i have such a question, here i have problem, yes, lets go we will solve it somehow, dont close it. Me country, because i need your ports, after all, we are not asking for logistics, as they say, probono or volunteer, volunteer service, we are paying for the company, so your business abuses, and you do not have 500 traders there, you have 510 traders you know, and they just dump their grain, so why do poles buy this grain then, lets let the government first work with those who buy this grain, if it is conditional in the polish legislation to prohibit polish traders from buying foreign goods. Ground grain, but only from our farmers, then i understand , we clearly violate the law, and we are talking about the market, that is, we are within the market, if our wheat is not inferior in quality to polish wheat, and traders wanted to buy ours, because it is cheaper, i i dont see any problems, especially the european ones, the European Commission gave the type permission, well, conditionally , that is, she said okay, ukraine can drive cars, and we have to somehow earn money, if we talk about certain strategic goals, obviously in this plan we would have somewhere assume. That it can be, taking into account, obviously the factor of the election that will be held on october 15, because the devices, than in two weeks it will happen, how will it play out in the election, well actually in a week, next sunday, respectively, it means that we have an understanding that we did not take into account the fact that the ruling party, which , as i have already mentioned, defends the interests of the small and mediumsized farmer in poland, that there could be such a reaction, and even more so, it is such a rather radical party. Well, that is, to a certain extent, it is partly populist, and partly it is so, well, ultranationalist in poland, we must remember that poland is a mononation , not like us, but it is a mononation, and a mononation always gathers around a common enemy until around a common problem, and it is obvious here if their interests are affected , they will react, but it is a very important fact, then you see, the story increased, so it pumped up, pumped up, the degree increases. And it got to the point that we will not supply weapons to ukraine, and everyone counted, well, thats all, it seems, this is the end, well, just in case poland was united, but lets look at it now in poland, the heads of Foreign Affairs met in kyiv, it was the first time such a historic meeting was held outside the European Union, and the head of the Foreign Affairs of poland just didnt come, youre connecting, he didnt come, he officially said through the coronavirus with what we talked about, it was indicative, the preelection processes are still. If it really is a coronavirus, that is, a person has fallen ill, i think that if there really is such a reason for this, then obviously the minister should have stayed at home on sick leave , but this it is necessary to follow his activity, yes, but it is necessary to follow his activity in poland, did he then, or did he not appear at some event the next day, yes, i think, i think that what in this regard our analysts they can deal with it, follow it up, you cant hide anything now, but its obviously not the lack of support. This is a negative factor, yes, all the more so , the congress itself in kyiv, its not a Congress Like some, lets say such an institutional one, which was supposed to implement some certain solutions, it is more of a symbolic convention to show that ukraine is a part of europe, since we are not a member of the European Union, but this very presence of ministers shows that ukraine will become a member of the European Union in the future, so the absence is obvious, i understand why peter siatro did not. Go, yes, the minister of Foreign Affairs of hungary, but why didnt the poles come , well, for me its a certain question, but we wish the minister good health, if indeed, a few weeks ago we heard that the ukrainians will suffer, please wait for the end of the elections in poland , and everything stabilizes because you you have to understand, its still politics, who will win, just like in slovakia, who will form a koa, what are the options now in poland, well,