Work quickly and do not want to work, this is probably their karma , the longer you work, the more you earn, so here you can also talk about the legal legal form of business, well, thats me , just kidding, but the fact remains the fact, they want to base all their actions exclusively on the law, on the right, eh, or long will it last, i i think that once again the accelerator of all these processes will be the advancement of ukraine, on the fronts, and the faster this advancement takes place, the faster the decisions and aid announcements will be, about new weapons systems, about new financial aid, well, in a word, about everything that we today it is absolutely necessary, and i think that this very moment will speed up everything that we are waiting for so much, and if, rather, not if. When russia collapses, well, then the question in general will be almost not relevant, because all that what will remain under it, the wreckage, will automatically become a topic for contributions, for reparations , so that all that was there, created, and looted, be returned. Towards compensation for ukraine, so i think that this is how the situation will continue to develop. Mr. Volodymyr, you have already mentioned the possible basing of the black sea fleet of the Russian Federation in abkhazia, about such plans to place a base of the russian navy, the socalled president of the occupying russian administration, aslan bzhzhania, has already reported according to him, the relevant agreements between russia are not recognized. Of the republic has already been signed. The ministry of Foreign Affairs of georgia condemned such intentions of the Russian Federation as a gross violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of georgia and another provocative attempt to legitimize the illegal occupation of abkhazia and the tskhinvali region. Observing what is happening now in georgia and observing what is happening in the same mountainous karabash. Isnt a window of opportunity now opening for georgians. For representatives of moldova, for representatives of other countries that suffer from excessive attention, or from the occupation of part of the territory by russian troops, whether a window of opportunity opens up for them to close these windows and eventually put an end to russian dominance in these regions at the expense of these unrecognized regions, unrecognized republics with which russia is trying to be friends and demonstrate this friendship, well, you know, regarding moldova, i agree with you, it really can be so, and for a long time it seems to me that it would be worthwhile to exchange these so socalled russian peacekeepers, who are based in transnistria on ukrainian prisoners, because it is technologically absolutely. It is easy to do, well, again, our specially trained units need to think here, and with regard to georgia, unfortunately, unfortunately, not now, because we have about the russian government, we have about the Russian Force that is in charge today, the political one that rules georgia today, and here it is unlikely, things are possible, well, again, everything, changes. After putins regime falls, the russian government will fall as well in georgia, immediately, i think, the situation will change and the problem of nagornokarabakh and so on and so forth will be finally taken into account, that is, you know, that key topic, the solution of which depends on peace and tranquility, not only, by the way, in the postsoviet space, but and everywhere in the world, imagine that there is no longer this destructive influence of russia on african countries, on latin american countries, on the support of figures like assad or other, cannibalistic regimes, and in africa, and not only, these are global positive changes. That is why today we say that on the fields of ukraine the fate of the world is being decided for the coming decades, its not even for years, for decades, and the sooner. The more the spine is broken in this russian halfempire, the easier it will be for the whole world for at least half a century to come. Mr. Volodymyr, this week there was a big ministerial meeting of the member countries of the European Union, the Foreign Ministers of 24 countries visited kyiv, talked about the future of ukraine in the European Union, then there was a statement by Charles Michel that ukraine can join the European Union in 2030, before that shmygal said that ukraine plans to join the European Union in two years. As an experienced person, you have been involved in the european euroatlantic integration of ukraine for many years and you know exactly how these mechanisms work and in what terms it is possible. Joining, well, at least to the European Union, for sure, if with nato there is a question of ending russias war against ukraine, then with the European Union there is a clear procedure, a clear plan, there are seven main points that ukraine must fulfill, in your opinion, how much for will ukraine need time to fulfill all the conditions for the countrys accession to the European Union . You see, mr. Serhiy, i think that we will not do without seven points, i just want to remind you about the letter of happiness that we received from washington, where everything that we should do is actually gathered in a heap, and we are offered, to do it in a year and a half, and you know, i think this is the ticket to the European Union, and i just really hope that our authorities have finally understood that if we carefully, we are working normally on the implementation of these tasks, after a year and a half, we can calmly say to our european partners, dear partners, we have completed our work, yes, we will now still do Technical Work on the adaptation of ukrainian legislation to european legislation, but this is not there is something that can stop us, lets go faster, lets go together, and in this way it can really become, well, a very quick process, and i repeat again, no cadets and all those who work against ukraine will be able to stop this process, but again, thats just it if we will not produce concepts, er, which are very correct, but very imprecise, but we will do the same things that we were told about, and there are prescribed, well, point, but very necessary, things from which we all the time try, through some e, strategies of stability or something else, to move away, to write beautiful words, but not to do anything with these words. Specifically, what can quickly allow us to go this, this way, that s actually what its about, with nato, youre absolutely right, as long as theres a war, uh, this probably wont be possible, but again, all the things we just talked about, they open the way for us to end the war on our terms, because they make ukraine stronger, uh, that would mean we could more. Resources, more energy, more finances, to direct to the things we need, and not to lose them in corruption scandals or Something Like that. Thank you, mr. Volodymyr, it was volodymyr ogrysko, politician, diplomat, i wish you good health and see you again. Hey, friends, we work directly on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching our video on youtube, please like it, because i see a lot of viewers watching, but not everyone liked it. 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Universal design, basic black color and good price. Only 799 hryvnias. Call welcome to the espresso channel. Now everyone repeats that the war with russia is turning into an attrition format. Our partners already they are beginning to argue that the bottom is already visible in their stockpile of weapons, and now it is necessary to quickly and abundantly produce new ones both for ukraine and for ukraine, because the war with russia has not yet reached a fundamental turning point. And for ukraine, this blame for exhaustion, in my opinion, means the following we must determine priorities in new realities, optimally use our own limited resources, update approaches to the development of the National Defense industry, remove artificial obstacles that prevent the development and production of our own weapons, and reformat approaches to the training and use of our troops in view of the new experience of combat operations. If this is not done, there will be losses and there will be a large fee. So, in this issue of the military program, i want to talk first about some problematic things that our Defense Enterprises are currently overcoming and second this is, of course, about the combat experience of using both drones and Armored Vehicles on the battlefield. My name is serhii zgureyts, i am the director of the Information ConsultingCompany Defense express, and my interlocutors today are managers and representatives of two leading Defense Companies of ukraine. And now we are joined by artem vyunnyk, the director of atlan Scientific Production enterprise. Mr. Artem, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. Congratulations, serhiy, congratulations. Each other let me remind you that your Company Supplies the armed forces with the fury 1s unmanned artillery reconnaissance fire adjustment complex. It has been put into service and is being massproduced, by the way, even before the start of the active phase of the war with the Russian Federation and that during these 18 months of hostilities, your company has multiplied production, what used to be produced in a year, now is made in a month. Therefore, the need for a significantly larger number of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles is the first conclusion from what we have drawn from this war, but what conclusions have you drawn regarding the production and changes in design and use and assistance in training personnel, which are then used in the furra, which did you draw conclusions after these 18 months of hostilities through the lens of your company . Yes indeed, we have increased production to the extent that it requires today, of course, there are a lot of conclusions, both organizational and technical, we study examples of foreign companies, we study the experience of applying solutions that today bring us a lot of damage on the battlefield from our enemy, and of course we work in the direction of both Technical Development and development of our, lets say, engineering potential , in the direction of training our operators, lets say this, before the war we were not engaged in training, we were not involved in it, in fact we exclusively trained instructors for Training Centers, to date we have already actively participated in this process, because we understand that there are facilities, Training Centers that are engaged in training operators for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. The fury complex, there are not enough of them. Well, again, it must be said that the problem, which unfortunately existed before the war, before the fullscale invasion, continues to this day, and it seems to me that, if we answer the question that you asked at the beginning, what should in order to further scale up, to further develop our military industry, i think that there is a very big, big, lets say, factor that affects, or. Influence positively or negatively, and unfortunately, mostly negatively today, it is the timeliness of concluding contracts and the longterm duration of these contracts, that is , today, as before, we still have a formal, threeyear defense order, unfortunately, we have annual contracts, which are concluded at the end of the year with implementation by the end of the next, but it is not clear what will happen next, and unfortunately, we fall into such a trap when we cannot develop our capacities further, because we do not understand what will actually happen next year, and then were getting a request from the military, how much can you, and of course, the capabilities that are current, they dont meet that, so that request from the military thats currently there, so i think we need to develop that kind of daytoday, daytoday working communication. With the military, so that they understand, understand that production is not like what i ordered today and received tomorrow, because logistics is very difficult, i think my colleagues will say, further, confirm this, that now what, for example, was delivered a month or two, delivered today already 34 months, and by the way, this is also a consequence of the fact that the capacities of foreign manufacturers are also not unlimited. No, no, they also have limits and they are also being adjusted now, already in a year and a half the capacities of our suppliers have also increased, but still, it is not enough, having threeyear contracts for our products at least, or rather fiveyear contracts, we could plan much more precisely and develop production both qualitatively and quantitatively, mr. Artem, but in addition to longterm planning, unexpectedly one more problem has been added, which may affect the pace and quality of the production of our unmanned systems, i know that your company and a number of other companies turned to the general headquarters literally yesterday or the day before yesterday to solve the problem related to the reservation of employees of specialized enterprises of the defense industry, this concerns your company, kbbluch, ukspecesim, and other companies that really supply a significant number of samples of weapons for our army, what happened, what is the essence of the problem, at what stage is it now . Yes, sergey, this is a big problem, it is kind of absurd, in my opinion, because ee companies that produce weapons, military equipment for the armed forces, which are so necessary today on the battlefield, received a refusal from the general staff, from the ministry of defense, armor, employees , i. E. A total rejection, i understand that this may have happened due to certain technical nuances, but lets put it this way, today there is such and such a phenomenon. Or as scarce specialties, these are usually quite highly qualified people, and for example, in including one of the Key Employees of the companies, engineers, designers, they also have these scarce specialties, and i understand that this situation arose due to the cancellation of certain regulatory documents in september of this year, but in fact we have the following situation, the previous one ends on october 10 reservation of almost the overwhelming number of employees of our company and this means that actually from the 10th, any of these employees can be mobilized, considering that the documents were resubmitted only the day before yesterday, and only on that part of the employees who do not have these scarce specialties, i predict that this reservation will take place in a month, that is, what to do during this month to the people who will actually be there, how they will be served with summons and mobilized, frankly, i i dont know, especially considering the fact that even with an existing reservation, we have cases almost every day when people are taken to the tsk, in fact, there have even been cases under threat of use. The rhetoric of tsc employees is that this a piece of paper, an order of the ministry of economy, it is a piece of paper that is worthless, and mostly this problem happens in our western regions for some reason, where we also have production facilities, i think that we should Pay Attention to this problem and maybe settle it on at the legislative level, in fact, saying. The following if the enterprise fulfills a government contract for a defense order, that is, it is a defense procurement, then absolutely all employees, regardless of wasps or what other percentages there are, should be prohibited from employees and so on. By the way, there is also the problem of changing military accounting specialties, which took place in the 19th year as well. And it seems later, and which today also create huge problems, because many of the workers have military tickets with socalled outdated wasps, when they come to the military headquarters to clarify these wasps, to correct these numbers, they actually find themselves in a situation where they are also beginning to be mobilized, i believe that we still live in a legal country. We have to obey the law, they have the law to be followed by everyone, including employees of Territorial Assembly centers, is a big problem, and in addition to everything , lets say, important for the country, there are also such issues, for example, as banal fines for enterprises, which to this day amount to crazy percentages, and on the one hand, we have the mobilization of key workers. Potential, and on the other hand, we have obligations to the state with huge fines, how can it be combined during the war, well, to be honest , it is not clear, we hope that our the collective appeal that we signed from several companies that received this refusal to the central committee, it will somehow be taken into account and the right decisions will be made and our engineers and designers will continue to work on the tasks of our defense industry, i also really hope for this, and then, if we continue the topic of personnel, we understand that one way or another, every company directs its efforts to have a significant number of highquality employees, some go there for mobilization, others, lets say, leave the company, one way or another, and a question arises expanding personnel potential and creating conditions for the company to be replenished with truly professional personnel. What approaches do you currently use, can your company be a certain Crystallization Center for new competencies when new people go to work at atlan avia, what are these, how are these processes currently formed . Raised a very important question, it is not only important for tlanavi, it is important for all manufacturers of hightech products, because today there is a crazy personnel shortage and such a hunger, because many people competent people still ended up abroad after the start of a fullscale invasion, many people, lets say, do not have, do not have the opportunity, did not have the opportunity to be booked there in certain. Period and ended up actually on the battlefield, today we are doing Everything Possible to to attract the most competent personnel that we can attract, we create opportunities for people, so to speak, financially, and we do everything so that they can learn, experiment, develop their potential and to create. New models that are needed, needed by the military in todays such a hybrid, very not unusual war, where fpv drones are also used, which before no one even thought that it could become such a powerful weapon, but again, this this is the answer to the situation that we have, the lack of almost highprecision means of defeat, serious systems that are so necessary, but which. Which, unfortunately, the development of which is actually still ongoing, continues, again, because there were no, priorities were formed , at a certain time, in a certain period, lets say after the 14th year, i think, they could and should have been formulated and the work on the development of these samples was established, but today this, this, lets say, these tasks are closed. Drones that hit the enemys equipment, and the manpower of the enemy, but again, this is a rather small tactical depth, so we need serious developments that will hit targets tens of kilometers deep, and we are also working on this, and our colleagues are working, and i think that our engineering potential is sufficient to solve these problems. And yes, you could certainly compare our capabilities with the capabilities of foreign companies, when literally the other day a forum of Defense Industries was held in kyiv, where the president of ukraine was there, the heads of the ministry of defense, the minister of technology were there, we had the opportunity to communicate with colleagues from other countries, what do you have the impression left after this event was whether you managed to find new contacts and how this will affect the expansion, relatively speaking, of your projects or the involvement of some foreign competences or finances to solve those projects you are now acting in the interests of the armed forces. Yes, indeed, we took part in this event, and i must say that, in my opinion, the most positive thing is that, finally , with the arrival of a new team, the ministry of strategy and industry is becoming a powerful player, a state. Player in this segment, and we hope , that the new minister and his team will still be able to settle all the issues that we have already accumulated for years, this is what we talked about, longterm contracts, and approaches to pricing, and in general, lets say, the states participation in development, latest samples, but at the same time, this forum really gave an opportunity to communicate with colleagues, with colleagues from ukraine, with colleagues from the United States, america, france, germany, to really exchange thoughts, ideas, there are certain er, lets say, ideas for cooperation , but all the same, it seems to me that we should not, should not, emphasize the fact that