Captured, what is the significance of such point operations, given their high risk, well, it is obvious that of course the risk is present and will be is present, it is a war, and the risks are increased, as for the practical meaning, then for what such operations can be carried out, this is the first, with the aim of destroying or damaging important equipment or an enemy object, well, for example, disabling radar stations, putting command posts out of order, destroying certain other objects, which, in the opinion of the military command, it is expedient to destroy the land itself , because well, it has its own specifics, and this is the first, the second is the possible capture of important prisoners, if it is known that there during this period time in a certain territory, within the limits there may be some. Officers who can be extremely valuable from the point of view of conveying information to us, plus using it later for the purpose of psychological influence on the enemy and demoralizing factors, that there are such people who also maybe in the future they will agree to cooperate with us. The next thing is the destruction of the enemy directly, if it is known that it needs to be done and there is an opportunity to do it like this in some area, well, other videos. Which, lets say, is more visible directly to the command, because they have the whole situation more on the ground than we have in public access, so actually a whole range of measures can be, plus, i forgot to add an equally important consequence, it is a demoralizing factor on the enemy and a constant factor of psychological pressure so that they did not feel at peace, so that they understood that threats could also come from the sea. Despite the fact that currently Ukrainian Forces are not as close as we would like directly to the administrative border with crimea, but they can already carry out some kind of such operations, that is, the same is said about psychological influence. Mr. Oleksandr, we listened to kirbys statement, but before joining with you about the one and a half to two months that remained in the Defense Forces for counteroffensive actions. At the same time, the ukrainian general, in particular pannavsky, said that the weather. They will have too much influence, because ukraine mostly attacks in assault groups of 1015 people without the use of heavy equipment, so they say that this dirty season will not be an obstacle, does that mean in your opinion, such statements from kirby that on will the west take a break until the spring with activity on aid due to the socalled dirty season, or what are such statements made for . I think that yes, that they will take a break, it is already obvious, we do not see large volumes of supply now. Equipment right now, but i do not rule out and think that they will be in the spring, or , lets say, adopted now with the aim that this equipment can arrive and ammunition and shells, along with airplanes, along with longrange missiles, attacks with other types of weapons, precisely with the aim of intensifying offensive actions in the spring, here another factor is added, the fact is that russia is once again demonstrating its intentions to attack in the east on the kupyansklymansk region. Obviously, this will also affect our character, we will be forced to act more defensively, and repel enemy attacks, by the way, from the point of view of the war of attrition, this is also a good tactic and strategy, because it makes it possible to destroy a larger number of the enemy with less effort and weaken him and reduce his combat potential, so i think that these factors, they will affect the weather in the same way, you see, the goal now is not only to attack in small groups, as general ternavskyi says, he is absolutely right here that it can be carried out in the winter as well, the question is that the goal of actions. Artillery now and small groups is to expand the springboard and gain a foothold so that that there would be the possibility of more fire support from the heavy armament of tanks and equipment, which was just transferred by our partners bradley, marders, leopards, and so on, that is , this is very important, and it is obvious that even now, when we can expand such areas, it is clear the thing is that under unfavorable weather conditions, you cannot use Armored Vehicles like that, so i think with these. Well, actually, western officials have already publicly spoken about the fact that ukraine is running out of stocks, weapons, and ammunition, which they can give to ukraine without risk to themselves, yes they say, but at the Warsaw Security Forum it was discussed, the head of the nato military committee, admiral grob bauer , stated this, in addition, the minister of the armed forces in the ministry of defense of great britain, james hippie, in fact, all statements sound like this in the context of that. That ukraine needs to increase production, but its all about time, which gives the occupiers more opportunity to gain a foothold, how quickly the existing capacities of the ukrainian ukroborunprom will be able to increase production, and whether it is at all possible to do it only on our own without the participation of partners, you know, i think that despite all the pessimistic statements that are being made, i have heard a lot that even our transition to defense for a certain period of time, which is possible , will be justified and more profitable for us. Leads to the fact that the enemy somehow these shallow steps will increase its resources, and we will decrease them, in fact no, because if they attack, we will defend, they will not increase them, and here the question of increasing ours, and also our body, our rear consists really of our resources and should consist, and activation ours should be, and we see that there are certain such, encouraging steps, because the number of our producers who are involved in third countries is increasing. Countries, neighbors, nato countries on their territories for the production of projectiles, min, this is already important, this is what we really need, and then there are such projects that can be realized from the production of pppo systems, as well as others, i think we will see , it is like cv90 Armored Vehicles, swedish, it is like the possibility of producing french drones on the capacities of dppnov and so on, well, plus the west, the west is actively involved in fact. Now contracts are financed, contracts are signed, they are financed, and additional production facilities and jobs are created, because it is necessary to increase the production of artillery shells, 155 mm of other types of weapons by three or four times, but this is of course, yes itself takes time, it is extremely irresponsible to say that it can be provided within a few weeks, no. It takes time, it takes certain resources, well, actually, but i will tell you that the enemy will also face problems, because they also go and look for weapons in iran and in north korea, this shows that that everything is far from good with their militaryindustrial complex, and as for our rear support, i am sure that we are entering a certain new stage, which will mark not only the shortterm needs of ukraine, but also medium and longterm, in particular through the joint production of weapons and through supplies in the future, here we and the west, i think, will cooperate more actively. Mr. Oleksandr, by the way, you mentioned the joint production of ppu, and today we have a statement from the head of minnstragetprom, mr. Kamyshin, who says that the usa and ukraine will jointly produce pppo systems and the first results are promised by the end of 2023, these are not a few weeks, but its literally a few months away. How realistic can such forecasts be considered . I find it hard to say, because i dont fully know what it is about, you understand, i know that it is about pppo, but what exactly are the results of production, because production can be different, we also have to understand that this does not mean that ukraine will produce the entire system from scratch to the end. There may be options for norwegianamerican cooperation on the nasam system, when missiles are produced by the United States, launchers and radar equipment are produced by norway, there may be another form of cooperation, in any case, what we are talking about is joint production and what ukraine, lets say they allow joint technologies to enter the market, this is a very important step, by the way, this is about the trust expressed in us by our partners the United States, and this trust must be protected , it cannot be taken lightly in order to only expand such production, and again, you in the previous answer, it was mentioned about the cooperation of the state enterprise antonov with the french, here we are talking about the contract between the state enterprise antonov and the French Company jurd, so it seems. It seems that it should sound french, about the joint production of a smaller and cheaper version of drones, now we see it on the screen, and the french say that the drone is also literally supposed to take off in ukraine next year, can you tell us more about this drone, because it is not such a small lethal device, we are talking a lot about drones about drones, but this is exactly this drone, what tasks can it take care of, and in general, to what extent, what scales can it be . This particular drone is the highest level of what we currently have or have had because it is a strike type drone, well it is a strike and reconnaissance drone and it can be from 24 to 30 hours in the air, perform combined tasks, again typical for similar types of drones, this is the first conducting reconnaissance and surveillance, and the second is to deliver direct strikes, well, french missiles, Design Capabilities up to 35 km range, that that they can hit ground or air targets, the drone is quite interesting, effective, it is actually the size of the original, even slightly larger than the mq9 reaper, the legendary american, and you can imagine, that is, it is a transition to a slightly higher level, so far it is difficult to say because there is no clear technical characteristics, what would be the reduced version, well, i think we will soon find out about it, but the very option and the very step of the French Company and investors to our company with localization for the needs of the armed forces is a very important story, because i think that this will give an impetus to the revival of antonov, which in previous years, to put it mildly, was far from in the best condition, in particular, by the way, due to the approaches of the previous management, who believed that representatives of western companies should not be allowed, because they are some secrets they will take away and so on and so on, but its good that the approaches have changed now , i have high hopes for such types of cooperation, by the way, because it will benefit us if western investors come here with localization, it will change a lot of things and in the approaches and in our management to understand the situation of how the world arms market works now, and in the end it is inevitable, because we cooperate with nato countries, more weapons reports and the strengthening of such cooperation, i think, will only strengthen. Again, it appeared literally an hour before the broadcast cnn reports that the United States has decided to hand over seized iranian weapons to ukraine. And what kind of nomenclature can we talk about, volumes, terms, and in general, how realistic is it , given that the un requires that the confiscated weapons be either destroyed or stored . Well, i think its a response to irans actions, to what theyre doing, cooperating with russia, supplying weapons to russia, a perfectly fair response, i think the correct position of the United States on weapons, the fact is that iran is not one year supported the war in yemen, and he supported a group of houthis who opposed the yemeni authorities, that is, this confrontation was supported by saudi arabia, the emirates on the one hand, and iran on the other hand, and they supplied these weapons of various types, in particular small arms, assault rifles , grenade launchers, mortars, a large number of cartridges for them, thats what i think its about, the exact number is difficult to say at the moment, but from what ive heard and seen, the volumes are not so small, namely small arms, mortars and grenade launchers. Heard, mr. Oleksandr, thank you thank you very much for finding the opportunity to join the broadcast, oleksandr musienko, the head of the center for military and legal research, was in direct contact with us, thank you. Ukraine can join the European Union as early as 2030, said the head of the European Council , charles michel, in an interview with the german newspaper spiekel. At the same time, he emphasized that this will be possible if both sides do their homework. In addition, he says, both ukraine and the eu should clearly understand what they want to achieve together, and what their goals are priorities and what they are going to spend money on, and ukraine and other candidate countries must carry out reforms, fight corruption and comply with legislative requirements. Ukraine can become part of the eu in 2030 if both sides do their homework. We in the eu must clearly understand what we want to achieve. Together, where are our priorities and what do we want to spend money on, and we need to speed up the decisionmaking processes, the countries of the western balkans, for example, have been waiting 20 years to join the eu, the influence of russia and china is increasing there, and a prosperous and safe ukraine is in our own interests. Their resistance to russia showed that ukraine should be in the eu, and soon, not someday. It would also prove that the eu is capable of geopolitical action. But the american political edition writes that the eu will agree to start negotiations on the accession of ukraine already in december. According to journalists who refer to diplomatic sources, the leaders of the European Union. Is preparing to give political consent to the expected positive decision of the European Commission regarding ukraines readiness to start accession negotiations. Like, political the pressure around it will be too much for individual Member States to resist. As you know, the European Commission will publish a report on how well ukraine and other candidates for joining the eu fulfill the relevant conditions. According to the european senior official, this will happen in november. Well, the house of representatives of the us congress for the first time in its history sent the speaker Kevin Mccarthy to resign. Moreover, the initiators of this were his fellow Party Members, the republicans, and the Democratic Party helped them dislodge their leader with their votes. My colleague from the voice of america, kateryna lisunova, will tell us more about how it happened, what caused it and what consequences to expect, directly from washington. Katerina, my greetings, i have a word with you. Congratulations dari, as you rightly noted, this is the first time in the history of the United States of america, the vote yesterday was 216 to 210 , 210 is a majority of republicans, so to speak, moderate wing, republicans, of which eight republicans voted to fire the former speaker Kevin Mccarthy and joined them all democrats present in the chamber of the house of representatives. In general, after the dismissal of kevin makar. There was so to speak a small silence for a certain period, literally an hour, an hour and a half, Kevin Mccarthy did not comment in any way on his dismissal and in fact there was no comment, because the event that happened, you already correctly noted, happened for the first time in the history of the United States of america, and after that he had an address to reporters, by the way, youre shown one of the addresses as well, Kevin Mccarthy, then he had address to journalists, it was worthy. Warmly, they talked to journalists, in fact quite openly, he already talked as a person who is not the speaker of the house of representatives, among the questions he was asked, there were also questions about ukraine, in particular in his final speech, so to speak, after his dismissal from the post of speaker , he also noted that he believes that ukraine should continue to be supported , that ukraine should be helped, but i believe that the white house should provide a precise plan of action for this war. He also believes that checks should be strengthened aid that is given to ukraine and that despite the need to help ukraine, the United States of america should stand first, i suggest you listen to a fragment of this speech right now, i support arming ukraine, but this does not mean sending them cash, but arming ukraine. I was in the white house before they made the request for additional funding. Kyiv, i already said then that you are doing wrong by simply asking for additional funding. I think the president is going to lose now because he doesnt explain to ordinary americans, what is our purpose. I am very concerned about the long term, what is happening is very reminiscent of the 1930s. Many of the steps that putin is taking are very similar to those of hitler. If youre interested in history, you know that hitler served in the army during world war i, and he hated that his country was falling apart. But now something is happening even worse than what happened in the 30s. Before hitler went on the offensive, he created a partnership, an axis of evil with italy, japan, countries that wanted to expand their spheres of influence. What did putin do . Before attacking ukraine . It has also formed partnerships with china, north korea and iran, countries that want to expand the scope. Of our influence, so what were doing now is very important, we cant just get out of there like we did with afghanistan, and we cant just throw money at it if were providing weapons to succeed. Ukraine is also among the reasons for the dismissal of kevin macardi, at least it was one of the reasons announced by matt gates, a farright republican, which actually. And put the withdrawal to a vote the dismissal of Kevin Mccarthy as speaker. Matt gates, before the vote itself, and also on his official, on the official website, the republican, he said one of the reasons is the fact that, say, Kevin Mccarthy went to work with the democrats to agree on a shortterm resolution to fund the United States government for the next 45 days to turn on the shutdown, as you know, now this funding will last until november 17, and what they say, kyiv on mccarthy went to cooperate with the democrats, for this, also matt gay stated that Kevin Mccarthy did not agree enough. Allocation of funds to strengthen the protection of the own american border with mexico, and one of the reasons he also cited Kevin Mccarthys reluctance to block aid to ukraine and that there were, in his opinion, some dubious agreements with the white house regarding the continuation of aid to ukraine between Kevin Mccarthy and biden directly and about that matt gates said right before the vote , calling on his fellow Party Members to vote for the dismissal of Kevin Mccarthy, he also expressed his reluctance to continue helping ukraine and Kevin Mccarthys position on ukraine, i suggest you listen to this fragment of matt gates speech right now. I was disturbed by the news of a secret deal on funding for ukraine that would have provided more money for ukraine along with funding for our own border in the south of the country. How offensive that must be to our customs. Border guards and people who suffer because of the insecurity of the border, that some of my colleagues are ready to fight for their own border only on the condition that they will be able to send billions of dollars to ukraine so that they can well finance the border of their state, i have had enough, and that is why i put the speakers resignation to the vote. I would like to point out that Kevin Mccarthy himself, among the reasons for his dismissal, cites matt gates personal dislike of Kevin Mccarthy as the main reason and believes that it was settling personal scores. Regarding, but it should be noted that Kevin Mccarthy was actually removed by the overwhelming majority of the votes of the democrats, regarding their position, the leader of the democrats in the house representatives, hakeem jeffries, said before the vote that the democrats did not want to take part in the internal war of the republicans, with each other, that the republicans should deal with this on their own, and thus joined the votes on the dismissal of the republican speaker, the most important issue, already what will happen next, and as of now there is no exact plan of what to do next, because this is the first such precedent in the history of the United States of america, and now the house of representatives has already announced a small break in its work and wont be back in session until next week, but as a matter of fact, we can say that it will affect aid to ukraine in the fact that it will delay consideration of any issues regarding the allocation of finances for ukraine, because the main issue now will be the approval of the new speaker. Heard, katerina, thank you very much for the detailed account of the events. What is happening in the United States, kateryna lisonova, my colleague from voice of america was with us in direct communication from washington. Thank you. And just now , a ukrainian diplomat, oleg shamshur, is joining us. Ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the United States in the 5th10th years and to france in the 14th20th years. Mr. Oleg, my greetings. Good evening. Congratulations. Well, we actually listened to the correspondent and the events of what was happening in the congress, and in general, the domestic political situation. How, for the first time in the history of the United States, the dismissal of the speaker will affect ukraine, and it was actually said that the dismissal was partly a consequence of events related to ukraine, how do you assess all this . To me, as a person who has been involved in the United States in various ways all his conscious life qualities, it is rather unfortunate and sad to observe all this. Lets start with the reasons, i dont. Believe that helping ukraine was the main factor in the shooting of Kevin Mccartney , well, thats what goetz mentioned, and indeed, it was maybe one of the factors, at least thats what he said, but the main thing is was that mccarthy was going to work with democrats to pass a temporary funding order that would allow the federal government and federal agencies to be funded until november 17, uh, and it wasnt enough conservative on spending, well at least yes, i would say, thats the main thing, and what happened is evidence of a deep division, very complex processes that are going on in the republican party, its definitely bad for us, precisely because of what and about said your correspondent, in fact for some time, i think even a considerable time, will be blocked , well, in fact, any Serious Business of the house of representatives, and accordingly it will affect the work of the United States congress, as a whole, and as far as our interests are concerned, certainly, will have a negative impact on the pace and prospects of approving the necessary funding for continued assistance to ukraine from the United States. Well, actually, some are already writing that the congress plunged into chaos until the election of a new speaker, how long can this process take, i understand that this is the first time, there were no precedents, but nevertheless, here is the election of a new speaker, how long can it take, and actually, what should ukraine do so that this chaos, about which american colleagues write, does not spill over into the issue of providing military support, or can ukraine do something here, have some influence, as i said, this will all affect the financing, well, at least the pace, of decisionmaking regarding the provision of assistance to ukraine, and certainly, now, well, i read various analytics that appeared in the United States, that is. In principle, the word that is repeated by almost everyone is chaos, and indeed , the house of representatives is in a state of chaos, it is not known how, how quickly, it will, lets say, find its solution, this crisis and a new speaker will be elected, that is, now no one is taking predict how quickly you are listed with a candidate for the position of speaker, republicans, who exactly will it be and how long, even, how long can the interim speaker be in office, a republican close to mccarthy, mchenry, that is, i read it for three days, three, working days days. Congress and it can be there for a very long time, that is, even this indicates that even among the american experts on this issue there is no consensus, that is, now to some extent there is confusion and incomprehensibility about what will happen next, events will develop, of course for us this is in principle very bad, precisely because it affects, as i said, the prospects for the approval of the necessary funding to provide assistance to ukraine, and there is a very great danger that this very small, but very active group of trumpists will continue to do disproportionate with its size influence on the activities of the republican faction in congress in the house of representatives. Did i understand correctly that these terms for electing a new speaker are not regulated by and now the same trumpists can use this case so speaking in order not to elect a new speaker, in order to still lobby for their interests in the new budget, including , absolutely, as far as i understand, this is absolutely not defined, not defined, by the rules of procedure of the house of representatives, that is, this process is not limited. And its quite interesting that the speaker can be, if you believe the analysis conducted by the reuters agency, according to the constitution of the United States, the speaker can not even be a member of the us house of representatives, which generates in general, wild eh, lets say variants of the idea, regarding, at least thats how reuters talked about it, the nomination of donald trump to the post of speaker, well, i think that in principle it is not even science fiction, but really, to a large extent, the process is not regulated and can last quite a long time, well we know that there were 15 rounds of voting when mccartney, sorry mccarthy was elected, and many say that you can count on about the same now