Of the civil police rafal chaskowski, the police gave the figure of 1,000 people, of course, this is a 10fold difference, but when it comes to such large numbers, it is probably very it is difficult to count exactly how many no, no its difficult, you can get a photo from a drone and everything is absolutely visible there, we just like that, we just like that estimated the number of people who gathered on the Independence Square in kyiv, we dont need any police here, thats right, thats why i think well be honest. And lets say that the number was approximately, i think half, it is somewhere halfway between what the official police gives and what the Civil Coalition gives, that is, i think that the truth is roughly somewhere in the middle, lets stop at the figure of half a million, and what, what is also very, very much a large number, and this is actually one of the largest in the history of democracy, well, in any case, there is such a question, in principle, the Civil Coalition has a chance to take over the power in the party. Law and justice and allies, or is it simply a strengthening of the oppositions position, nothing more, well, actually, these will be very, very interesting elections, i think that these are one of the most interesting elections in the history of democratic poland, they are very sharp, they are very brutal, we we have in recent days, for example, several beatings of deputies, thats it, the numbers say that there may be several. Options, in fact, there may be a winning option, but, for example, he cannot form a coalition, it may happen that, what, the party of Yaroslav Kaczynski will still win at a minimum, but there is a problem with the formation of a coalition, then the question arises of what to do next, that is, some say that they will select votes, drag votes from the nationalist confederation, or negotiate with the polish polish. Parties, here, the party of donald tusk, if the victory wins in the elections, i think it may be a little easier for her to form a coalition, because in principle the natural Coalition Partners are, for them, the new left, and the coalition, the socalled third way coalition, is a union of two parties, actually the polish party and the poland 2050 party, what are the main ones, that is, if these two parties, no, two political forces, cross, one of them crosses the fiveway barrier, because it is as a party it goes, and the third way goes as a coalition of parties, so they must cross 8 barrier, and this is actually the greatest danger, the polish, for example, experts, well, they say that the biggest intrigue and the biggest such mystery can be that actually this third path will cross these eight, because they practically balance. On the margin of statistical error, they actually have a rating somewhere around eight 10 . And if, for example, the third way, lets not cross the percentage mark, there are very high chances that pis actually will win with a significant margin and even be able to form the third time in a row, i emphasize, the third time in a row, a one party government, in the history of democratic poland 30 years not. Never once there was a party that won the elections three times in a row, and this may be the first time such a situation has happened, that is, there are many, and by the way, i want to say one more thing, uh, they are also saying in poland that it can be in general that the third option, that is, for example, when e, this is a kind of fall, electoral and cannot form k neither one nor the other, the most political forces, and then, they can move to the option, to the option c, when they will try to form some sort of technocratic government with. Broad support, well, at least for most political parties, and please tell me, if peacethird forms a government, it will mean, as they say , a concretization of the situation, simply the transition of poland to the category of countries like hungary, where in principle there is an opposition, there is some Opposition Press , there is such a thing, but we all understand perfectly well that the power of viktor orban is, lets say this, if not forever, then for a very long time and it is not even worth trying to speak out against this kind of power, because it is accepted by the majority of society and hungary is simply Viktor Orbans country you can compete for the seats of the mayor of budapest or the mayor of warsaw, but the country is run by a specific leader, here in budapest orban, in warsaw kaczynski, goodbye, we are coming to such a situation, i think it is still far from that, i no matter how much i want to compare the situation, in poland Democratic Institutions are quite strong, the opposition media are quite strong, and i want to remind you that some media are also owned by american capital, for example, the largest opposition tv channel is tfn24 property, american discovery, well, you know that the authorities have always opposed this, they dont like it, they dont like it, there were, there were certain attempts there to deprive the license of some channels of this group, instead strategically, but you have to understand, that warsaw and the current polish government. Relies in its Foreign Policy on washington, first of all, in its security policy, and therefore i think that any attempts would be, lets say, not unsuccessful, and therefore, in general, i think that, as far as the media is concerned, the opposition media is quite strong are and have strong position regarding other issues, well , we probably have to look at the development of the situation here, but i would still be far from. Comparing any in general, hungary, de facto already completely, well, marginalized opposition, it has no influence to any processes and poland, where in fact the opposition has its own half of the population supports, because polish society is very polarized, that is, here we can talk about a division into two hundred, two practically equal parts, that is, the first part that supports, lets say like this conservatives, in the broadest sense of the word, and the second part, which is more in favor of some leftliberal ideas, and i think that a situation where, for example, conservatives completely usurp power in poland, well , i think that in the near future it is unrealistic, and tell me, please, do you allow that after the elections the situation of polishukrainian relations will somehow improve, what exactly is this. Preelection hysteria, there are such chances, is this already such a trend, i really want, i really want to hope for it , i really want to hope so, and i think thats exactly how it will be, here and there , emotions definitely prevailed in our relations, political issues actually prevailed, some, perhaps a little reluctance to understand the position of the other side prevailed. Here, and no, the inability to make certain compromises in that context, but, well, i quite often explain to polish partners that , after all, it is difficult to compare the positions of the two sides, because on the one hand, there is a country that is in the phase of hot wars, where tens of hundreds of people die every day, and a large part of the economy and the country are destroyed, where where are the facts, which actually functions in a normal mode, therefore. Nevertheless, the level of emotions and the correction for them should be made more in the direction of ukraine, on the other hand, on the other hand, it should be understood that poland is in the phase of the election campaign, where all , where all methods are allowed, and, well, polish experts do not officially say, for example , that ukraine did not have to enter the escalation, but wait until the end of the parliamentary elections to resolve all issues, well, as a matter of fact. Poland and thus blocked the import of grain, i emphasize import grains to the domestic market, instead, they are very willing and ready to expand the transit corridors, we are talking about the domestic market , but if they waited until october 15, for example, with some tougher steps, then after those elections everything could be resolved more calmly , on the other hand, i want to say that for warsaw it is a political disaster, for politicians, ruling parties, the situation is also quite uncomfortable, such difficult relations with ukraine were created precisely because of the fact that poland was. During these years as an example of a country that supports at all levels of ukraine, poland, warsaw has once again become a country that believed in expertise regarding ukraine and regarding, for example , russias aggressive policy toward ukraine, and actually at a certain moment it would all fall apart, and warsaw, too, i think feels on its plate , in this situation, will try as much as possible to solve this problem with ukraine, instead, a problem is a problem, politicians will always agree, i am most afraid that after all , the attitude in society, in poland, towards ukrainians, also in ukraine, that to the poles right now, the latest opinion polls on various issues show that the level of support is decreasing, for example, two or three days ago a study was conducted regarding the words of Prime Minister murovetsi, whether poland should continue to supply weapons to ukraine, so it doesnt look as rosy as it was a few months ago, for example, 47 , according to that survey , were against starting arms in ukraine at this stage, 45 were in favor of continuing the supply, the supply , weapons, specifically warsaw, to ukraine, although poland emphasizes that this is actually. Prime Minister moravetsi, it was taken out of context, it did not mean stopping, suspending or slowing down this defense support for kyiv, because it was actually nonsense, and the hub is already in place, it has functioned and will continue to function, because it is based on a multilateral agreement where the americans actually play an important role, but poland has also made commitments to itself. Bilateral and multilateral, for example, in production, ammunition as part of the eu mission, and also, last year, ukraine and poland signed a multitiered contract, the largest in history, by the way, of the polish defense industry, and the supply of selfpropelled guns to poland and ukraine, thats all, in fact, poland also implements this contract, so i think that there can be no question of any inhibition of defense cooperation. It is simply about the fact that poland actually at the initial stage of the war transferred almost everything it could, including old postsoviet weapons, and at the moment, in fact, it is now simply trying to compensate for the losses they have in tanks, for example, by buying american and south korean tanks, that is , the situation looks like that some countries can still supply weapons, for example, germany, scandinavian countries, and poland in a certain sense, it has already transferred all the reserves that it could transfer, and now morovetsky has actually said the truth for sure that they are not transferring now, this does not mean that the defense of cooperation between the countries has stopped, and therefore , summing it up like this, i am actually afraid that it eh, because public support and public empathy and a positive attitude, it is built by hand, and actually because of some such shortterm scandals, politicians will come to an agreement, maybe that support will fall, they will join hands to restore the level of trust and make it as high as it was, in fact for the last two years. 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Of the precommunist party of china, to what extent this Strategic Alliance between russia and china can be said to be strengthening , is this alliance, after all, more a decoration of Wishful Thinking than a real direction for the development of relations between these two countries, i think that there is also an element one approach, and an element of another approach, because the cooperation between china and the Russian Federation is indeed a strategic cooperation, although, as was emphasized in march of this year, when the head of the knnrtin came to moscow, there is no military alliance there, er, tim nevertheless, it is possible to talk about the fact that one country wants to use another country, i am talking about china in relations with russia, and about russia in relations with china, everything is clear here, china wants to have an ally in its confrontation or competition with the united states, and russia wants to have china now, in principle, well, for the same reasons, so they are, so to speak, not ideological, but practical allies, although they do not recognize it as an alliance, and everyone has their own interests, china has an interest, as i said, russia has an interest in countering what they see as the hegemony of the united states. Now make sure that some kind of coalition is created, which will provide resistance to the hegemony of the same united states, they want to have a multipolar world, this is what their joint political declaration from march of this year, and this is stated in the economic declaration and many. Other documents that were signed by the political party, now we have an intention, well, a plan, ah, putin to go to china, i want to note right away that this not as commented by other experts, but a visit that has the nature of a visit in response to march. This, it is not like that, lets remember that in february of this year, and last year, a few weeks before the beginning of the largescale invasion of the Russian Federation on territory of ukraine, putin was already in china, but he was on the invitation of the chinese side to participate in the opening of the 22nd beijing winter olympics, of course it was. Not an official visit, not a state visit, there is a lot in the protocol, so not very many, but certain categories of visits, the highest are state visits, followed by official ones, then working ones, then passing by and so on, so that was a visit, lets say, for an invitation to participate in a certain event, the same is true now, when we are expecting putins visit in october on. One train to participate in the forum, one way, he was already in the 17th year, in the 19th year, i also participated in these forums, i also saw him, listened to his speech, well, there it was about the interaction of the countries that are participants in this initiative, the chairman of the peoples republic of china, which is now exactly 10 years old, and he is not going on a state visit, i repeat, but is going to participate in this flora, of course, there will be negotiations, which have already been announced, because during the visit, in february on the 22nd of the year and the visit is now in october, there will be the usual official part of the negotiation, therefore we can therefore consider this visit as an additional confirmation of the fact that there are strategic relations between the two countries, despite everything that each of the states, each of the parties has its own absolutely chic interests, and putin is generally expected to make a state visit to china, someone needs him with a state visit, you know, here too we have to take into account, so the norms of the protocol. E xi jinping was on a state visit in march this year, so he invited putin to visit china, i hope it meant the same a return visit is a state visit, but it turns out that way, which means that there is no question of a state visit, especially since there is no such practice , when in the same year there is one visit in one direction, and there is a visit in the other direction, this does not happen, at least a year should pass, if it means and well, if we live to our victory and see if there will be any putin in russia at all, or, then, it will last, even more time, so then we can. State, or at least official, visit of putin to china, in response to the visit he made qindingbin in february 22nd, so far we have what we have, but tell me, to china, to china, in principle, russia can at some point begin to actually supply weapons, or will they still do Everything Possible not to be involved in this war im sure they will do their best not to be official. And at least openly involved in this war, since they are expected right away, which means retaliation, sanctions, and i would like to draw attention to the fact that everyone is reporting a trip together with putin to beijing in october, the chairman gazprom and the head, that means rosneft is there , why is this being done, well, of course, we have two reasons, firstly, if we take it, it means the general political declaration of march 22. When there was a shadow of the rise, it was clearly stated that the parties would agree and develop, that is, the topic of the construction of a transit gas pipeline from russia through mongolia to china, this already determines the necessity of being on this trip together with putin, the head of gazprom. Second, why does it grow here . Rosneft, despite the fact that china, as was recently noticed, means and recorded, buys less russian oil and more iranian oil, because it is, ah, cheaper, and this of course affects the interests of russia in this field, probably the head of rosneft is going with putin to beijing in october to negotiate and to agree on some other conditions that would determine the greater attractiveness of oil sales to china for russia. Well, this explains everything. In short, we consider this visit exclusively as a working one. We do not know whether there will be a discussion about weapons. Most likely, there will be an exchange of ideas about which one and the other side sees, to know the prospect of resolving what the chinese call the ukrainian crisis or the ukrainian conflict. Of course, it cannot be done without this, because it is a relevant topic, and all these, all countries. Not interested, china, i think, is very, very interested in the fact that, the conflict , as they call it, the war of russia against ukraine, does not drag on, but ends, because it is not to chinas advantage, because it all affects chinese economic expansion around the world , and please tell me, in principle, ot when were talking about some north korean arsenals over there that russia can get, it cant be that north korea is going to be here. A spoiler for china, so to speak, chinese weapons will go to pyongyang, and from pyongyang to moscow, china will be useless here, and russia will have enough weapons, at least in the one in russia, you can to talk about everything , about it all, of course, means in our thoughts, well, i very much doubt that china will come forward now, therefore, the same source of supply of the corresponding weapons or dual technologies for russia, through half of north korea, you understand that china has aimed, that means a huge plan, you know how the chinese plan, that means onetwo punch, at least to become the number one state by the century, that means the founding of the peoples republic of china, today , by the way, the 74th anniversary, and everything points to the fact that the plans, they. Cannot be changed due to the fact that such a situation has arisen and china does not want and cannot and will not do everything in order to get stuck in the sanctions , means things related to both russia and north korea, of course, that without china, no north korea will do anything, and of course that it will consult with china and try to get some approval there for what it will do, i think that these issues will also be discussed during putins visit to beijing in october, ah, i wont guess, but i doubt very much that after all, china will dare to have this transit corridor, that is, through north korea, and somehow support, that means , that means putins plans and kimchinina for the exchange of weapons against technologies, against