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Mr. Taras, i want to address one thesis that you voiced, that the European Union is afraid of ukraine, now in the situation that it is in, how fast it is, has already understood what it wants, makes demands and tries to move as fast as maybe there is that topic about the European Union, they mentioned it, it was hardly possible two years ago i had to mention this, at the same time we talked a lot at this table, and whether ukraine will be allowed to build such an. Economy, in particular, it is not a secret here about the development of the military industry, although in the cooperation that we want, which is beneficial to them, and this topic now it is important to remember against the background of what is happening now, the french are here, the germans are here, excuse me, and we already know, the poles are also here and the americans are considering what answer to this question they will give, are we now starting to move again in this story, a little bit more to take the initiative, because there have already been statements that ukraine will build the pppo have already sounded on their territory, and we understand that it is only a hightech manufacturer. I would say that they are not afraid of us, they do not fully understand us yet, they do not understand who ukrainians are, yes, there is a nation that fights fantastically, gave, as they say, a russian bear in the teeth, but they do not fully understand , who we are, and the reason for this, i believe, is what andrii says very often, communication, we did not communicate ourselves as much as we should have communicated as a nation before that, it is also about subjectivity, that is. We were like an object there, here, there, here, and we did not form our own self, our own reputational capital, which would speak for us, and that is why there is such a misunderstanding, actually the war changed a lot, for example, how kassandra Lesya Ukrainka was staged in london and they said that the main sponsor is not some oligarch, but this is the main sponsor of the armed forces, that is, they made such a change of attitude towards our nation, and then the work is on us, in fact. For reforms, for everything, and what is being transferred to the military industry, we have no other choice, we will not be able to to receive weapons nonstop, constantly from western countries , we do not have them, yes, but the question is that they are ready, it is a difficult production, hightech, very expensive, as for me, this is such a very interesting signal, they are already countries, france and britain , well, this is about the perspective, what they see in this country as a perspective, and secondly, it is difficult for europeans, european politicians, it is probably difficult to explain to their citizens and voters that in such realities, the geopolitical, partial economy must also be transferred to the military rails, them it is difficult to explain, because after the second world war, the wellknown may 8 message never again, never again, very large studies in universities, anticrisis management were built on this, all in order to prevent any military conflict, and that is why geopolitics was built on the basis of conics, that is, business first, and so they involved russia , they wanted to make it clear that it is possible to do business with it, and they thought that it would be such a preventive, such an injection, that would rid the russians of the desire for some kind of vendetta, because to lead behave aggressively, yes, behave aggressively, although they felt that it could be, and therefore it is never again, it formed such a settled understanding that there should never be another war in europe, it may be somewhere there, but not here, and secondly, it is difficult for them to explain why it is necessary to produce more weapons now, after all, there is nato, yes, that is, it is better to let it be produced somewhere, but we will not be able to annoy our own, that they did not have this feeling that is changing, this is so easy , lets say, a peaceful, easy life, which was, which was formed after the world war, is possible i will tell a story here, a volunteer was coming, he is an american, you lived in birch trees in the 10th grade, he left for the United States, he is engaged in the production of drones, and together with the it company in germany, they produced these drones in china, drones that the russians do not shoot down , their slaves dont pick them up, they work on. Different frequencies, mr. Alex, and so he told that they take production from china, transport at the request of washington to vietnam, recently in vietnam, stop the supply , and china stops when they were produced in china, then china had a requirement that the drones there did not reach ukraine, they did not want to be, so to speak, a formal participant. How do they call it a conflict, i understand what you are saying, about the fact that who did not want anything there, but please, they are in vietnam, and i asked mr. Alex then, so what, they already are preparing safeguards against war in that region, and that is why they are preparing defense in an enterprise in vietnam, you understand, and you are right, because this is not only about vietnam, it is about the southern korea, japan and the United States of america, a month ago, a very interesting meeting took place at camp davis, this is the United States of america, the residence of the president , and there was a meeting between the Prime Ministers of south korea and japan, this is such a conditional trinity, the states of japan , south korea, pacified them, pacified and formed a certain definite Reference Point in opposition to another antitrio, that is china, russia, north korea. That is, the formation of such a confrontation, the containment of chinas aggressive policy, is taking place. Annexation of japan and the south korea, and in vietnam, vietnam, it is a communist government there, so socialist , it seems, the party in power, i asked a vietnamese diplomat, who is your boss, there are different people, not like in in china, the general secretary separately, the president separately, the Prime Minister separately , the main secretary general, uh, general secretary, so yes, but for vietnam, i can tell you, so biden used to come, and then we are the chinese, that is, it goes there struggle , well, look, right now china is preparing a visit, and just as it is to take place, everyone is with biden, yes, in terms of communication and the development of defense production, the fact that we here, lets say so, have the initiative, we promote this topic , its very good, and this is precisely also a manifestation of subjectivity, but not everything depends on us, and there is, for example, interest, we see , they say, yes, they are ready and so on, otgu. Of french companies, and in general, this forum, which is currently being held in kyiv , is evidence that, yes, there is interest in us, but there is a question, here about investments, andriy mentioned, money, in order to deploy large scale military production in our country requires money, and this is where it comes from a problem, because even in the states, our former defense minister, who is actively working now as an expert in the states, told me that there is a problem with planning, both governmental and business, because they say, well, now there is a request, yes, because weapons are needed for ukraine and to restore its stocks. Which are largely exhausted, and what happens next, in 5 years and so on, we must know how to further plan our business, our production, otherwise we will increase it now, and then we will have to reduce it, so we need a strategic planning, this is very important, we have it here, here we come to communication, we need money, which must be invested in our defense production, but this money must be given to us by our partners, and counting in particular , there is no strategy for it either. That, unfortunately, they do not yet have this strategy, strategic vision, regarding communication, one example, wait, that is, they do not see promising conflicts, i am not talking about taiwan, but i am sorry, then what weapons will be needed, they, i would say , they are maturing, they are maturing, we can see now changes at the level of natos strategy, and in principle , you have to dance from this, but you have to rebuild now, well, heres a simple example, a million shells from yes for a long time. Now they cant produce, the russians spent a million artillery shells against ukraine every month, here they promise us in a year, and we need to increase not a million, but several times more, and they cant fix it, because the internal bureaucracy and so on, in terms of communication, it is necessary to communicate in order to have such a common strategy, but there are simple things, about european integration, about european partners, it seems to me that andriy was also there when the office of the vice Prime Minister for european integration held a conference. There was a lot of talk about how we should move, very basically like this, i would say practical, there was a press conference, a practical conference with business representatives, and one simple thing was heard there the calls that our business should now open its representative offices in brussels, it was said about agrarian business and so on, but a while ago we discussed that we have a bunch of different business associations, and each one will say so political grouping, or each branch of Government Works from its own business. Association , but we need a single voice , we need a single strategy, we have 96 organizations, the largest, united in a coalition of ukrainian business, by the way, i head it, 96 all the leading, sub, syok, board, well, all the main ones, we are still not in the business ombudsmans council, but at least in the president s office they understand that there is business, onevoice, the second, what, what, by the way, back to weapons, two aspects. Important, first of all , they dont trust us with technology they trust assembly, so lets not have illusions either, this is the first step, of course, on the other hand, ukrainian drones are already flying for 1000 km, ugh, we dont have enough, not that, we have engineering potential, cool, im constantly reproached, yes there is no science in ukraine, as there is no, the kharkiv plant, or rather the fed, the enterprise, deals with plasma engines, plasma engines are generally world technologies, so here we are, we can build everything, we dont have enough technology or engineers, we dont there is enough money, opportunities and time now, unfortunately, thats why we catching up, there are already about 30 groups working on the development of drones, which do not make, do not catch russian rebs, which are currently being tested, they give us another six months and you will not recognize the drone landscape, kb luch, i. Technologies that not financed for years, why . And now the second aspect is important both for europe and for ukraine, it is called not in my term of office, lets do everything so that it does not happen in my time, obama, lets not tease, bush, lets not tease, everyone merkel, volodya, dont attack on this ukraine, while. Im the chancellor, thats it, thats it it happens all the time, even now, that there is someone brave who says, no, we have to finish russia, now they say that you cant finish russia, because garbage will start, yes, because this, because this is a terrible scenario, the victory of ukraine, terrible scenario, defeat, turmoil, they say, they say, turmoil is the russians, they repeat this, and they say collapse, collapse, and this is worse for them, therefore, therefore no, a clear position of ukraine, to finish, to look for leaders, with appeared ms. Marshall, lets work with her, no, lets not name them for ourselves auditors, they should be called partners, we finally have a partnership, so lets stop doing it ourselves, thats how we call them partners, the name is official, yes, mrs. Pritzer, yes, she is authorized to restore, restore, yes, yes, we are talking about Something Else here , you did not say, you name the ship , it will not happen, it will work like this, you , mr. Volodymyr, said, after reading this interview with katarina maternova, that she said that ukraine can become a member of the European Union by 2030, well, not only she, it was already said about it in brussels, its not only about. Ukraine, its about expansion, the father of 36 countries, actually , ill tell you, its very good if it happens , that by the 30th year, yes, its been seven years, i ll explain why well, because the poles, the baltic countries, the Central European countries, from candidate status to admission 10 years, 10 years, that is correct, 8. 5 years on average, that is, if we are until 2030, that is great, yes, we are not ready, we need now not european regulations, but deregulation of everything, we need not european norms, but more attractive conditions for business, for investments, for everything, we need five, at least, years for an economic breakthrough, and after that european integration will be a blessing, we, the process is more important to us, in the sense, and if we are so breakthrough, then why do we enter euroros, because you know , as everything has shown itself, fix it, here it is important, we have to do, a breakthrough, and then, and then we can, if it succeeds, yes, successfully, yes, we can offer it to the European Union, please, the court must prepare for of our integration, please tell me, and this is the figure for 2030, to what extent it correlates with our atlantic prospects, it means alliance prospects, is not correlated, we even need nato membership now, we need it now, maybe with certain conditions, maybe with a prolongation. Of the fifth article there, maybe with some other conditions, but definitely we need a formal one, now i will remind you, the logic that existed in the 90s , the beginning of the 2000s, when there was a previous big wave of expansion, first joining nato, then joining the eu, well, security, in principle, and if you already mentioned against the night kissinger, then i want to remind you that he had a crazy idea about the acceptance of how far this idea is still floating, whether he abandoned it, whether this idea is still not consulted, there dorzhdepa and the white house, and whether it is absolutely not working idea, it is not yet official, but what is mentioned about it, and what, lets say, sometimes it is presented in a deformed form, remember, we discussed, in particular, we mentioned today, he also spoke about it, when this official, the head of the gensiaks secretariat, said yes, yes, what yes, membership in nato in exchange for territory, the formula was incorrect, there is no question of any exchange, and we are not proposing kissinger either, yes, well, it is about the fact that yes, ukraine can become a member of nato, but there is some kind of food, even if part of the territory country will be occupied, and, but then. The fifth article applies only to the territory controlled by the Ukrainian Government , it does not extend to the occupied territory, that is, nato will not participate in the liberation of these territories, does not take responsibility for the liberation of these territories, and so on, and kissinger, in fact, this is a cunning idea, he wants to sell it to the russians as well, he says, well, then it means that if ukraine is in nato, nato will control ukraine and deter them. Somehow, there is a nuance here, in fact, i think that if there is an opportunity for us, when we are members of nato, to liberate territories, we will act, we will do it, because it is in our own interest, but nevertheless , here it is, further, rasmussen said, the former secretary general, who also actively cooperates with us with the president s office, in particular in the matter of security guarantees, there yes, they are the cochairs of the group on security guarantees, i recalled the example with germany, that germany became a member of nato , despite the fact that germany had already become a member of nato, this caused a flurry of criticism at the time, but still my question remains, why is this it is important, this is an interview, now this is an interview, the one you mentioned, there is one part of this interview just about, lets say, the divided territories about moldova and about us, it concerns european integration, when we say yes, accept, but if there is no full preoccupation, they will accept us, yes, yes, yes, well, it was about moldova first, and then about us, yes, in fact , the question will be relevant and a problem even in the process of european integration of ukraine, and this is realistic, i just dont quite understand how nato countries then should cover the sky, and then russian missiles and missiles should no longer shoot down ukrainian f16s, nativs35, after the completion of the accession to nato only after the completion of the lash. Or hostilities, not before, while the war is going on, lets be realistic, there will be no joining nato, why i dont believe in all this, looking purely at historical models, if we took advantage of, for example, the peace, the pacification of the 15th16th years, the minsk agreements, and carried out all the necessary reforms, we would prepare the army, build up the defenseindustrial complex, raise the economy, over the years , one could say, yes, ukraine needs time, our practice is like this, we dont use time to radically change, azerbaijan used time, huh. The result we have now is obvious, bright , absolutely, so i absolutely understand, and the situations were 7 7, azerbaijan had a patron, turkey is an ally, the most important, it appeared not just like that, it appeared when azerbaijan showed its readiness to change, its readiness to become conscious partners, its readiness to negotiate and, most importantly, to have a longterm strategy. When ukraine had a long strategy for more than one budget, when . Sorry for the rhetorical question, it hasnt happened yet, we need to become farsighted, pragmatic and subjective , mr. Andriy, there is no conditional state, of course, in history, but you remember, well, imagine the situation, we left crimea, we left there are almost donetsk and luhansk regions, but if we do. Resistance, you remember what they told us, just dont shoot, just dont resist, what could we show them, yes, what about them, i apologize for saying this live and on a national telethon, but i am more than convinced that similar voices were heard on the 24th as well, just dont resist , just not like that, just like that, listen to the proposal to the president , go from kyiv, yes, yes, we are up to. This time we showed our sub objectivity, they said no, for that we, i think, that for generations we will be grateful to the president , if we did this, then there is no subjunctive in history, okay, but now we have a similar situation, right now, every day we have it, every day we are given this stretch and asked, maybe after all negotiations, maybe we will agree with you on the liberation of some territories, and you will see crimea behind the brackets, and let us give you nato on a certain territory, we will not give on another, this will mean, no, this will mean a war that will, this will mean, for by the fifth article, they for months they will make decisions, discuss, and if one country, for example, one of them, we know which one, i will say, no, we dont like something, not everything is so clear there, and in the end, whatever will happen, nothing will happen, and in the end, we will again defend kyiv ourselves, no, thats why ukraine is contradicting itself, which means that we will never take it. Our karabakh, we will take our karabakh, precisely because we will not agree to the new minsk ones, that is the question, and for this we need to build a defenseindustrial complex, we are we are starting to do, for this we need to show the world that we will not give up, thirdly, we need to show that we will carry out reforms, those that we agree with partners and even more, because Economic Development is in our interests, fourthly, we have to. Indicate our capability on the battlefield. Our heroes show it, we need to add technology and show more effects. I am convinced that in the coming years, we will prove our subjectivity and ability to restore control over all territories. Well, we have four minutes left, now give mr. Taras and mr. Volodymyr two minutes to summarize. Well, i think its too early to summarize in terms of the processes themselves, yes, but now were approaching a very important stage, its about european integration, i think were entering a very serious important stage of negotiations with the European Union, and thats why when we are given certain frameworks for reforms, yes, we should take it calmly and rationally, but demonstrate what we have been constantly talking about today, demonstrate our own subjectivity, not to wait for a frame to be presented to us, but to formulate our direction and content ourselves. Development, that is, on the defense complex, on an effective war strategy against russia, on our Foreign Policy and on reforms, on reforms, that is, i think that now the emphasis should be on not imposing on us what reforms we need to do, but on we ourselves formulated what kind of reforms, you see, how they said that the translation was incorrect, the president , and what they say, a drowning person cannot know how to save himself correctly. Because he said he was in such a state, that means a drowning man must be saved as the one who saves him deems necessary, it is already the case now, well, we saved ourselves, we saved ourselves, in the first months of the war we saved ourselves. I think this is also a recipe for how to act, we have to coordinate our activities, cooperate with our partners, but we have to understand where to sail, that is, where to move, and how to move, well, actually, where to sail, it is about the formation of our goal, about the fact that we often call the brand ukraine, what it is, yes, and these requirements, in my opinion, this is another an attempt to secure a certain promise that we will fulfill it, that we can fulfill it, and maybe this will become a certain turning point now, because the war divided us into a time before the war and there is a time after the war, and this is reputational capital, and what is reputation is trust in you today, which, based on fulfilled promises in the past, is a guarantee of your cooperation in the future. This is actually, i think, such, such, such a short resume can talk about these requirements, this is not some kind of bull, but this is a partnership offer, finally change and start implementing and reforming the country, yes, but its still difficult , you know, one wall of the house is on fire, and you have to do renovations in the kitchen, a global country, without safety and a country with the best opportunities, the brand of ukraine is and will be, yes , natalya, in the 14th year, i remember a discussion in kharkiv about whether it is possible to reform the military sector during the war, then it was local, hybrid, yes, and it turned out that it is possible, it is possible, when necessary, when necessary, yes , then it is necessary, if they understood then how necessary it is, today it would be completely different and in a different way, yes, and the question of drowning people or not , we would not have stood at all, our conversation, it is reduced every friday to the fact that we will not have a quick victory anywhere, anywhere, neither in the economy, nor in politics, not at the front, and that we need to work very powerfully, that is. And dont wait, as we say, there is victory, you know, as now everyone wishes, and victory, you are there , we sit and wait, in three months, the main understanding is that there will be no automatic victory, you have to work, work and move forward, yes, then there will be a victory, just me the fact that our society is very relaxed, you know, and the guys at the front are rightly offended that we are fighting , this and that, we are fighting to have coffee in the morning, we are fighting for you to go to a restaurant, we are fighting this, we are fighting se, they fight for a reason. For us to drink coffee here in restaurants, you see, we must also not forget that there is a war going on there and that the enemy may again be there, i dont want to alarm you, but if we drink coffee like this, we may end up near kyiv again, you know, in a year or two, so it is necessary somehow, less capital, one word is too much, often sounded today, which we need to remember, yes, strategists, we need to understand where we are going, and the time that the guys give us, we need to understand and explain to the world where exactly we are going and for what, thank you friends, thank you, we say goodbye to you until next friday and are very grateful to the guests. Volodymyr fesenko, political expert, taras emenyuk, International Political observer, andriy dligoch, doctor of economic sciences. 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