Technologies, culture, science, but how can there be competition in the field of economics, if you want to launch a Legal Process connected with accusing azerbaijan of patrioticide, how would we absolutely, we will absolutely do it, and it absolutely will not prevent economic progress, because our economic progress will not be connected in any way with azerbaijan , well, look, mr. Tigran, here is such information, i did not check, i do not know, i do not live in yerevan, baku, zangezur, yerevan is pulling troops, so it seems that such information has appeared, how far is it true , how far is it in general, in general, is it possible, such an extraterritorial road through the armenian territory from azerbaijan to azerbaijan, that is, vanakhychevakhichevans yes, no, this it is impossible under the current conditions, because it is not really a road from azerbaijan to azerbaijan, it is a road that putin and erdogan agreed to break through karabakh and the south of armenia, which they call the syunik, and reach it in order to build pipes there, cutting off armenia from iran and built an uncontrolled territory there, 40 km long, which should ask, the war in ukraine, all other colonial wars of russia, this will not happen. A fairly Large Coalition of states, including the United States and the European Union, opposes it. Recently france directly let it be known just a few hours ago that it is ready for a military presence there, in syunik, in this very zangizur, the french consulate with a military mission is opening the other day , they are very interested in this road, it is a northsouth road, it is from ukrainian ports and of georgian ports, must pass through georgia and armenia. To iran, and then to, through the persian gulf, to the rest of the world and warm seas, that is why western europe, india, iran are interested in this project, very interested in it, by the way, iran is a day before the start of the new russianazerbaijani aggression, very strange and interesting things were agreed upon, the un secretary general approved the proposal of iran to make its troops a creative contingent of the un, as we understand it, this was possible only with the consent of the United States, so i do not look so darkly at our prospects, like some of our friends and analysts in other countries. And please tell me, have you heard the statement of president erdogan that if the corridor does not pass through the territory of armenia, it will pass through the territory of iran, as far as it is concerned at all real . Yes, thats right, literally two happened. Days ago, after President Biden wrote a special letter to Nikol Pashinyan with an expression of support for the statement that the territorial integrity of the republic of armenia is not subject to review, precisely after this, literally a few hours later, president erdogan publicly rejected the longstanding idea of putin aliyev and erdogan that , to break through a corridor through the south of armenia, they immediately. Agreed to irans conditions, which they rejected for a long time, they they dont want to depend on iran, but as you can see, the United States found convincing arguments for erdogan, and he agreed to it literally a few hours later, tell me, are you not afraid of a coup detat in armenia in the next, lets say, or weeks . You know, he is in a creeping form all the time , by the way, the main argument in this. In this demand for a coup detat, in fact , this was the way to eliminate objectionable leaders artsakh, artsakh republic, then together. Russian azerbaijani the attack on artsakh and the eviction of people, this was the scenario that the refugees would become the very cannon fodder for the coup, russia did not abandon this hope, it was ready , it turned out that it sacrificed its presence in artsakh, because azerbaijan is most likely in its days he will ask from there, they decided that instead of arsakh, they will receive all of armenia, they will not receive armenia, they did not receive the ortsakh, they will receive nothing, they will leave here for the march of forgiveness of the slavs, well, here are 100,000 people, yes, here are 100,000 people who lost their homes, yes, the prospect is the price, this is the price , russian whims and meanness, the last thing, we are still on the verge of a coup, and i have already expressed my thoughts to the Prime Minister about what the next step of putins meanness will be, he will start expelling armenians from russia as the georgian sent in 2008 under saakashvili, if he fails to undermine hundreds of thousands of armenian refugees from artsakh, set fire to armenia to change the democratic regime, then he will go to the extent of expelling up to half a million armenians from russia, we believe that this is quite real scenario, mr. Tigran, and here is what they would say if there were elections today, given that armenia is a parliamentary republic, there are elections today, pashinyan would, in fair elections, how much would he get, that is, how strong is the potential for a coup, and the electoral , electorally, yes, that is, if the majority there is against pashinyan, then it would be understandable that the coup might succeed, in the case of elections, he will also lose, and there is no need to overturn anything, pashinyan is not very popular, to put it mildly, however, hatred of russia, and putin, in armenia much higher, what is it, all the claims made against pashinyan, and he with his possible 3035 , he will still be able to win, and we, the democratic parties, have assured him that being opponents of his opposition to him, we are ready to unite in order not to give the fifth column, as we call these prorussian proxies, will break through, now they tried to do it in the municipal elections in yerevan, which were suspended in an unfavorable environment for the Democratic Forces, but this is a good lesson, we will not allow it to be repeated in the inevitable, soon, i think , already next year, extraordinary, or rather, early parliamentary elections, in which we must cleanse armenia, its parliament, the political field from this prokremlin bastard who is still sitting in the parliament and continues to poison our lives. The minister, when there was a meeting of these democratic parties with the Prime Minister, is it you when you meet him often, or is it not the first time . We meet monthly, excuse me, once a month, from what, from what moment . Year with his second year with his victory later after the military defeat of the 20th year, elections were held in very difficult elections, he was elected again, and we, who did not enter the parliament, received an invitation, the mostly Democratic Forces, in the majority, met with him for consultation and political dialogue, it happens on average once a month, sometimes more often, sometimes less often, the last time. Two days ago, lets finish, thank you very much, tigran zmilyan, head of the European Party of armenia, thank you for being with us at this moment, and now we are going to neighboring madya magyarska peoples republic, or Peoples Democratic peoples democracy, and slovakia, we still have yes, we still have dmytro tuzhanna, director of the institute of Central European strategy, expert on ukrainianhungarian relations, congratulations. Mr. Dmytro, why are you smiling so much that you dont believe that the hungarian Peoples Democratic republic, its behavior, is very similar to some kind of peoples democracy, but listen, we, mykola and i have already discussed the fact that we made concessions to hungary , today, it is a significant day, because it is a serious concession, the Banking Sector with otpkom, how much does it change the situation in general, and in general, if we go all the time for concessions from hungary, will it really help us, or on the contrary will only. The appetite of orban, szijart and our other great friends in budapest, yes, i apologize, i was smiling because in 2012 they removed the name republic from the name of the state, i. E. Just hungary, not even a republic , yes, we were a peoples republic, we are also ukraine, i dont know if we are a ukrainian republic or we are ukraine, so there is, there is something in common, everything well, you really have to be careful with concessions, but with regard to the bank , in my opinion, this is, well, lets say, not such an important concession, in our dialogue, yes, therefore, viktor orban, unfortunately, is a person who loves. Push red lines, likes to push boundaries, that is why you have to be careful with concessions , because his appetites are always growing, you can clearly see this from his relations with the European Union, that is, where clear lines are not drawn, where they are not given to him clear limitations, he will always push these lines, and this can be seen in hungary itself, yes, that is, the administrative resource there is legalized in the legislation, which is unprecedented, conflicts of interest are legalized, then they rebuilt this entire system of state enterprises, yes, or for example, how they monopolized the information space, when there are under 400 media at one point they transferred free of charge to one foundation and they call it all, you know , freedom of the media, that is, you really have to be careful here, but with the otpbank, you know, it s a similar story, so that, relatively speaking, hungary does not look for formal pretexts to block very important for us european funds for armaments, actually, but look, mr. Dmitry, when you say 400 mass media, i sit and think to myself, where were the glorious people at that moment, no, not even the European Union, and millions of magyars, listen, i remember in 1990, in the sixth year of my life in prague , nova tv was like that, and they had something there. The government moved it a little, so it turned out to be 1000 and it was all over, in ukraine it was also like that such hints, in madya, in hungary, what does this mean, that is, they agree to 400 mass media belonged to one Prime Minister, well, then there is little difference between them and our time in yanukovych and so on and so on, i will tell you more than that, it has been more than a year in hungary and teachers protests have been going on, and thats how it was even during the Election Campaign in 2022, when teachers came out with numerous rallies, they did such a national strike, and then, the majority of fidesz changed the legislation that you can only strike at the workplace, imagine, and you know that, its useless led, yes, that is, viktor orban, you know, he hacked, hacked hungary. In such a way that about two million, maybe even more hungarians, voters, believe in him, as not just politics, but as you know, like, i do nt know, its like a religion for them, that is, it doesnt matter what viktor orban would do , would he transfer 400 media to the foundation, and no matter what statements he makes, he will be supported, this is an unprecedented example of how it can work within the European Union. Well, as for me , hybrid democracy, well, this is orbanism in fact, yes by and large, you know, its a role model, but when they talk about slovakia, or about other countries, and it s actually, among analysts of the European Union, viktor orban, hes not dangerous in himself, as such, hes dangerous as a role model, because all he seems to do is a matter of staying in power, thats the temptation. This is the threat that politicians , well, lets say, are subject to it, yes, that is, this is a test that they do not pass, and, you know, viktor orban can show that, well, look, the same thing happened in in germany, under angela merkel, the same thing can happen in the netherlands, under ruta, and there they generally have a competition over who will be Prime Minister for the longest time, but i apologize, these are not the conditions, yes, that is, to compare the german democracy or dutch with i dont know there or now maybe slovak, well, these are two worlds, orban himself did not invent it, but in principle he built exactly such a regime in singapore and everyone prayed and licked at him, and this is exactly the same regime, in his speeches viktor orban and calls it as a role model, well, now its not russia anymore mentions, but cereschi, singapore, yes, yes, it is also on his list of liberal democracies , as well as what we have in slovakia, which you mentioned, and we would have just asked you, we are standing on. The threshold of that , that another orban will appear, only slovak . Well, you know, you have to give credit to viktor orban here, its very difficult to repeat him. This, this regime, and robert fitz had a chance, until 2018 there was a chance to create Something Like that, because he was voted for, he was supported, his system of government in that still half the size of the country, than hungary could have built the same very powerful regime, but fico, for one reason or another, did not dare, could not, now the threat is different, that fico is already in charge. There is a desire for revenge, not only political revenge, and this makes him really dangerous, his rhetoric has become very radicalized, and it has become radicalized not only in terms of antiukrainianism, yes, but in terms of antiwesternism, that is, its openly antiamerican, antinato, antieuropean slogans, and you know, what hes going to stop, he says that he will stop the supply of weapons to ukraine, these are mostly such, you know, also light, accusations , that is, he says that if, for example, progressive slovakia wins, or forms a government, it will mean that the United States embassy will rule slovakia, that is, these are his slogans, or for example, that the candidates who are going now and they represent public organizations there or some anticorruption organizations there , this is external management, yes, that is, it is all a story about soros and so on, it is in slovakia now, well, unfortunately, it has support below 20 , and this is the highest rating of the party, well, this is interesting, by the way, because this government got rid of power when there was a scandal with the murder of a journalist, it is very similar to the story with the prominent gongadze, and it seemed that these forces could not return even under the conditions of slovakia to power and hope that they will create some kind of government, absolutely, that is, everyone has already sent robert fitz to political retirement, Peter Pelligrini , who is his associate, broke away from him in the 20th year, created his own party, now it is third in the rating. That is, everyone already, you know, waved their hands, and there was only a question of whether he would go into political retirement or sit on the dock, and now robert fizo is really, well, claiming revenge, lets see if he will succeed, i still think that the Democratic Forces , well, lets say this, they can win, yes, even if they lose, that is, progressive slovakia will not win, the majority will either not win, or rather, im sorry, in the elections, here, but well see, you know, this is a very bad situation, there is now claiming from five to eight forces to pass the parliament, and you know this entry, this 5 , is immediately under 10 mandates, for the majority we need 76, that is, it can dramatically change this schedule in the parliament, and we should not exclude the talent and motivation of robert fitz again, it is not necessary for him, that is, in he has no motivation to become Prime Minister , he has no motivation even to take the government portfolio, yes , he has the motivation to take revenge, to make a revenge so that his party death unites with the vote, i do not exclude that he will be ready unite with the republic, which is very much like that, well rightwing radical, even with fascist leanings, he can refuse any positions, the main thing is that his party comes into power, he receives a kind of political immunity, because you know, in principle, the prison cries for him, and tell me, in principle, if to speak, lets imagine that the slovak right won and the polish right stayed in power, which is also very possible, we can see that they have good ratings, so there is a possibility of losing power, but they are doing Everything Possible to keep it even at our expense, i would say that such a European Coalition is possible, kaczynski, fico, orban, they were always very close, likeminded people and in terms of state structure models, kaczynskis polish state is similar to orbans hungary, orbans hungary was very similar to fitzs folovac, and a very good question, i think that this there will be the next test, the elections to the european parliament, it seems to me that nothing will work out in them, and everything will rest on money from the European Union, right . They did not manage to form this coalition, with the best schedules, when everything was fine between warsaw and budapest, when in romania the party ot aur left, yes, when le pen was taking off, when salvini was in a clearly better position, but still they didnt come to an agreement and why didnt they agree, even before the russian invasion, they were all at odds with russias position and attitude towards russia, and now how about me , this will make them even more angry, and i think governments like orbans government, ficos government, if there will be one, or even peace, they will have to negotiate with the European Union for money one way or another, in such situations it is better to negotiate one by one, yes , because together it is better to block migrant quotas there or there ukrainian grain, but when it comes to money within the European Union, they will, as i say, be negotiated one by one and they will be made of them here, you know, this is what will cause them to quarrel again, or it will not be possible to combine them into something. A very problematic force, but this is really what is alarming in brussels and in general , this is the issue of the new Central Europe, somewhere we are also perceived that way, there are fears that this is excessive or some such, you know, an alliance between warsaw or kyiv, you know, some such threat to the event, this is some source can there will be problems, thats right, they are looking at our region, and at the prospects of ukrainian membership in the European Union in general, that they say there will be a new Central Europe with and it will manifest itself only because of problems, because of its disputes, constant claims to the west, we need it, mr. Dmytro , look, but precisely in this question, in the context of your answer, i would ask you if you can hear us, because i still did not understand, you are, and if you are, you can hear to what extent, that is, we see that this recovery is possible only the natural way, that is, the magyars, when they will recover when they understand where their leader is leading them, just like poles, just like slovaks, anyone, and europeans, they dont have a tradition of calling, saying, what are you doing there, come on, stop it to do, there is no such moscow tradition in brussels, there is no brussels tradition, yes, there is no brussels tradition, they sit, well, okay, well, they got sick, well , lets wait for the next election, or the next. Election, and then the next one, that is, correctly, i understand that no influences other than money which you said is just sooner or later warsaw or budapest, turns to brussels, they say, gild the handle of the expensive jahantovy, but they say, no, there is no money, sorry, we dont have it here, there is no distribution of money today, only in this way, there are no other options, the europeans are just waiting the end of. These diseases . Very good question, and for example, with hungary they waited , yes, because they expected that the 10th year is something unclear, then the 14th year and again orban 2 3 of the parliament, and then the 18th, again the 22nd, again, as much as possible, yes, and starting from the 12th year, viktor orban simply rebuilt the entire country from the middle, so he rewrote all the legislation, that is, in fact, it is a captured state, where from the majority to the courts are controlled by one party, where in general the party merged with the government, yes, in slovakia, poland, i think, a little a different situation, but, well, waiting, its not exactly, in my opinion, such a universal or the best tool, and it seems to me that the European Union has already begun to recognize it, and you know, this same attachment to money is not like that simple thing, this is a question of the rule of law in a very. C this, sorry, boring but systematic understanding, that is, hungary is not given money not because it is some wayward or something, does not want to support ukraine, but because viktor orban actually needs to do his homework , now being in the European Union, that we ukrainians are doing, who want to enter there, to carry out anticorruption reform, and he is now approving these laws, slovakia experienced the same thing, and when there was banditry at the state level, well, from poland. There are judicial issues on judicial reform, that is you know, its even their narrative that you dont give us money, because you dont like us, because theres some kind of conspiracy, i dont know, theres left globalists against conservative traditional hungary or poland, no, its such speculation , in fact, another issue is what, by the way, you, mr. Mykola, raise, this is the issue of Civil Society, you know, this is the understanding that a country. Which joined the European Union no longer needs Civil Society, or it does not need it if there were to develop there, everything comes down to some Charitable Funds there, help to migrants, you know, it is now giving its due, excuse me, but they say there is a minute, there is still a minute, they tell me that there is a minute, go on, sorry, eh, i will only prove the point that Civil Society is becoming powerless against such leaders like, like viktor orban, but viktor orban is fighting against them, now its the same, his key opponents in the campaign are independent media, these are public organizations, thats it, thats how i need to review this, well, lets say , internal policy of the European Union, because membership in the European Union does not yet mean the ideality of democracy, thank you, thank you, yes, dmytro tuzhanskyi, director of the institute of Central European strategy, an expert on ukrainianhungarian relations, and for me the litmus test is very simple, when it started. Everything, something, something happened, something negative , and i just see it in russia, in hungary, now in slovakia, this. Such a simple story as a litmus test, and we say goodbye, thank you for your attention, see you in a week, all the best, all the best. September 22 on the website of the Generals Office the prosecutor and the National Police received information about the indictment of the chairman of the board of the poltava mining and beneficiation plant, which belongs to the swiss mining and Metallurgical Company ferexpo, on charges of abuse of authority and illegal mineral extraction. On september 26, the Pechersk Court of the city of kyiv chose a preventive measure against the head of the enterprise. According to the investigation. Poltava gzk had a license only to extract iron ore, but allegedly illegally processed and sold other minerals obtained in the process mining, and it seems to have caused losses to the state. The total amount of damages awarded to the state in connection with the illegality of the nadr is 157 billion 12,580 uah 20 kopecks. The lawyers of volodymyr lotous emphasized that the chairman . The enterprise did not commit any illegal actions regarding the extraction of minerals, the enterprises normal production activity took place. They also provided the opinion of the experts of the institute of forensic examinations that nonfractional screening is not a useful mineral and focused the attention of the court on cabinet resolution no. 827, according to which dry magnetic separation waste obtained as a result of crushing and beneficiation of ferruginous quartzite is not useful. Kopalyny prosecutors made a request for the duration of the investigation to choose a preventive measure for the head of the board in the form of arrest for 60 days with an alternative in the form of a record deposit for the ukrainian judiciary in the amount of 157 billion hryvnias. Lawyers emphasize that this amount of bail is unheard of before and is equal to approximately 50 thousand years of work of the chairman of the board of the poltava gzk. Well, she is exorbitant, taking into account, i will tell you, the condition of our enterprises, which now bear such heavy work performed during martial law, taking into account the fact that we do not earn such funds at all and our Enterprises Work only at 25 , so it sounds very fantastic and comically by its decision , the Pechersk Court decided to send the chairman of the board of the poltava gzk to custody, as an alternative, a bail of almost 1 billion uah was set. I got the impression that we live in a parallel reality, like the criminal procedure code, there are some legal norms, there are lawyers who are trying to prove, even, it seemed to me, that we were able to convince the prosecutors that what they are asking for is completely excessive, inadequate, and that no criminal actions were committed by the company or its manager, and then the court goes into the public room and comes out and appoints custody and bail in the amount of a billion hryvnias, the defenders also on. They announce that the chosen amount of bail does not correspond to the Financial Capabilities of the client, ukrainian legislation and european practice judiciary this is nothing but pressure on business , an attempt to destabilize the work of our enterprise, which works in this extremely difficult wartime, provides jobs, pays taxes to the budgets of all levels, implements many humanitarian projects and helps the armed forces of ukraine. Lawyers plan to appeal. The second week of russian propagandists literally breaks from the trolling that was arranged for them by various western leaders there and politicians, when pisturius first called the city kenis, then the poles were thinking about how to name it differently, now the estonians are also thinking about the same issue, how to write it correctly on the maps, and the russians are simply, i say, torn by this, news comes from the revel, what they want to call kaliningrad koneksberg, something in the revela is completely screwed up, in my opinion, it is time to return to the traditional name of the times of the russian empire, bring from