, mr. Serhiu, does not take part in anything, the Verkhovna Rada. The Verkhovna Rada as an institution is almost nullified, the Prime Minister does not even come to the Verkhovna Rada, there has been no question hour in the Verkhovna Rada for 19 months the government, there is no discussion in the Verkhovna Rada, deputies of the Verkhovna Rada maybe, well, im talking to you right now, i should be in the city of dublin right now at the conference of the council of europe, the speakers of the council of europe, a very high level, as a representative of the president ial committee of pare, that is, it was unique, maybe our stefanchuk will be there, he there is already there, and there could have been a second ukrainian, well, but instead stefanchuk decided that why should the second ukrainian be there, and we will not sign honcharenkos business trip, so, well, as servants of the people, we find them, sometimes in the maldives, then in dubai , then in thailand, then elsewhere somewhere, yes, when working as another deputy, then no, you dont need it, well, tell me, this is the Verkhovna Rada, the Verkhovna Rada should still be a peoples deputy, he should be independent, because if he is independent, then in general it makes no sense, well, he will just obediently press the button, and the deputy must ask a question, initiate a discussion, put forward an alternative bill, submit amendments, but that s all, were trying to do it, but everything is very, very complicated with this, and heres a simple question to you, mr. Serhiy, and what about the journalists so far there are no pores in the Verkhovna Rada, why are we under the dome for 19 months, what was always the case in ukraine, during active. Also 1415 years of hostilities, during the most difficult trials there, i dont know if there is covid there, under all conditions, they found an opportunity, journalists were in the Verkhovna Rada, they observed everything with their own eyes, there was a live broadcast, people could see it, this is called transparency, and what prevents it from being done today, why is it not there, and it is not there, and no one is going to it became very convenient for everyone to do this turn the council into such a black. Box in which it is not known what is happening, the same as the cabinet of ministers, i want to remind you that people have already forgotten about the meeting of the cabinet of ministers , we had it live, well, i understand, there is a question with a vulture secretly, well, the broadcast ends here, and these issues will be discussed further, people have already forgotten us, but it stopped even before the war, and then even before the war, at least the deputies could go, but at least i covered for the people what was happening there , and now even the deputies cant walk, thats all they speak goodbye, we are here somewhere, it is not known where in the world we are meeting, it is called the Verkhovna Rada, can there be any influence there on the decisions of the government, yes, i completely agree with you, in wartime, after all, people need information, and journalists should be admitted to the parliament and observe and ask questions, including by a peoples deputy of ukraine and on other issues and on the banning of the roc branch of the roc. In ukraine, why is this not done, solely because our airwaves do not include servants deputies so often of the people, who are in the monomajority, but even if there is no one to ask a question , there is one interview, some program of Ruslan Stefanchuk comes out and everyone starts from it , starts pushing back, saying whether it is right or wrong, that is, in order to understand correctly is it wrong, journalists should have equal access to information, that is, it does not happen that a single telethon has access to all ministers, and the espresso tv channel, whether it is a direct channel or the fifth channel, they are excluded from t2 and do not have the right to broadcast, to articulate these questions, thats why i with i absolutely agree and stand in solidarity with you. Thank you, mr. Oleksiy, for participating in the program, mr. Serhiy. It was oleksiy goncharenko, peoples deputy of ukraine. Friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube. Today we ask you about are you ready for an increase in tariffs for utility services, yes, no, and your option, write in the comments why we are asking about this, because maybe we are waiting for the liberalization of prices for utility services. For electricity for gas, maybe there will be an increase, well, at least the minister of social policy talked about it today. Next, we have a diplomat, an expert on foreign and Security Policy of the center for Defense Strategies oleksandr khara. Mr. Oleksandr, i am glad to welcome you and thank you for joining our broadcast. Thank you for the invitation, mr. Serhiy, nice to see you too. Lets mr. Alexander, lets start our conversation with aid, with american aid, reuters reported today. Which the senate of the United States of america approved an additional aid package to ukraine in the amount of 6 billion dollars for the period until november 17. Last week, Volodymyr Zelensky visited washington and met with the leaders of the United States of america, including being in the congress of the United States of america, unfortunately, he was not given the floor there, but experienced diplomats say that so often in congress. They do not give the floor to the leaders of foreign countries, zelskyi already spoke at the end of last year before the congress, eh, do you observe some kind of cooling of the americans to the ukrainian topic, what does this have to do with if so, what is it related to the elections that will be held in the United States of america, in the president ial elections, or is it related to the domestic policy of ukraine with reforms, and to the list of reforms that the americans want to see in ukraine . Well, i will literally name a few numbers to understand, lets say, the attitude of average americans to help ukraine, this was a Public Opinion poll two months ago, about whether they think it is necessary for congress to get additional money for ukraine, so 55 say which is not, but on the other hand, if you look at dynamics, then 45 who say that it is necessary. This is quite a weighty, lets say, platform for working with american society, and the second question was whether the United States did enough or not enough for ukraine, and here, enough is more than enough, it is 51 and 48, here in general, well, in fact, a statistical error , these are those who think that it is not enough, that ukraine should be supported, that is, this is the general attitude of americans, and that you basically named three reasons, i am two of them i can say with absolute certainty that they have an effect i mean the elections and the second, this is actually, lets say this, an internal political struggle between, that is, republicans and democrats, these are definitely not reforms that the government of ukraine should implement, and these documents that we recently saw and a list of those reforms, regarding internal political moments, since 2016, ukraine has been an internal political factor in the United States, because President Trump accused one of the ukrainian oligarchs of supporting hilary clinton, this did not happen, but you know, assadaka happened, as in the anecdote, the second that ukraine interfered in the 2016 elections, this is also not true, it was an operation of the Russian Special services, but then again, mr. Trump, he listens to putin more than to his own intelligence agencies, and he said this in principle, the third point, he remembers that the first impeachment was announced to him, as a result of the conversation with zelenskyi , when he tried to put pressure on the ukrainian president in order to get classified information on hunter biden, through him on the president himself, or rather the president ial candidate at that time, so these there are moments, there is a moment that there is a group, a group of trumpians who, in fact, repeat the narratives of the kremlin, not because they are bought by the kremlin, but they choose such tactics in order to, lets say, resonate with ordinary americans, which means, first of all, those , which we call, conditionally speaking, red next, yes, that is, uneducated people who live in nonurban areas, and so on, regarding the difficulties in adopting the budget, the senate is controlled by democrats, everything is more or less clear there, most of it, well, of course, all democrats. And most of the republicans, the traditional ones, they support us, will vote for the allocation of aid, in the back of the house , because there is a shaky majority of republicans, and actually this bunch of trumpians received a golden share, and they influenced both the appointment and the election, more precisely, the position of the speaker Kevin Mccarthy, and periodically they pull him to do something that , lets say, they like congress, he sent for employment, some other things, well, of course, that already happened , here, but but he was at that meeting, that is , they met not in the capitalist this, that is, not not actually in the congress, in the library, that also seriously, everything is fine, there were actually all the senators and a large number of other, unconscious republicans from the house of representatives, that is, it is a moment, then, it is a matter of fighting for trumps priorities in this budget, and the trumpians want to throw out ukraine and include there a wall that on border of mexico and for which, according to trump, the mexicans should pay, but for some reason they do not pay for it, and in fact constantly, shall we say, call ukraine names, the same margery greaney called ukraine the one that is engaged in trafficking in children and their organs, it is clear that everything this is a lie, here, but it goes very well in social networks and among those who do not understand what ukraine is and which already has an unfavorable entrance and actually we have several options, first, it was a resolution voted on tuesday in the senate, which can bypass this bloc in the house of representatives, provided that Kevin Mccarthy is given the opportunity to vote for a similar resolution in the house of representatives, is in question, because then he may incur the wrath of his friends, first of all, congressman gates, who said that we will lets run the procedure. Removal from power, he can go the other way, supporting an alternative project, conscious republicans and democrats in the house of representatives, which will bypass the bill that is currently under consideration, then it can be, well, there is another option , that is, a positive one, but whatever, it means that this is definitely not the last struggle, the money that is currently allocated to us will not be enough, of course, for the next period. There will be 24 billion dollars, which in principle President Biden requested for ukraine, this is definitely not the final amount that is needed for ukraine both from the point of view of security assistance, and from the point of view of humanitarian and economic, that is exactly why there will be fierce battles, ukraine will constantly be heard , so in a negative context, well, i talk about the trumpians all the time, actually they will constantly stir up this topic and push society and congress to deprive ukraine of such assistance. Well, against the background of what is happening overseas, we see how russia constantly talks about the fact that conflict and war on land or on land with nato countries is simply inevitable, yesterday the deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, dmitry medvedev, once again said about what it can do. And russia simply has no choice, against this background shoigu visits a factory for the production of missiles and says that they are increasing just at times, the production of its weapons, as it was, by the way, lets see now. We very much hope that the established pace will be maintained not only in the 24th year, but also separately. Direction, they will be increased, although today i can say with satisfaction that our joint work with you is producing results, and here we have an increase in production volumes not in percentages, but in units, all of this is extremely necessary for us special military operation, in your opinion, mr. Oleksandr, is a conflict between russia and nato possible and in what perspective . I i dont think its possible from the point of view that it will be a fullscale war, i think that the russians will provoke the western countries to some kind of response, and it could be primarily the baltic countries and poland or maybe romania, and recently, what blew up, a civilian ship blew up near romania, this is evidence of what the russians can do, because of course, despite all this arrogance and stupidity that we see in the leadership of the Russian Federation, they are definitely not comikazes, they definitely understand what will happen to them, if they enter such a clinch, a real and real conflict, so i dont think anyone will react to another red line like that, remember the last chinese warning, its about the same if we struck the strategic aircraft of the Russian Federation, which is the only, lets say, the only condition is, according to the doctrine of Nuclear Deterrence of the Russian Federation, which would legitimize striking ukraine, they will not use this opportunity, it will definitely not be something of this type, that is, they will absolutely rhetorically, lets say, raise the degree, but they will definitely not go a real conflict, they would like to create a situation of a caribbean crisis in order to then turn it into their own, shall we say, interest , but so far they have not succeeded, despite their rhetoric, despite the nuclear training, putting Strategic Forces on alert, deterrence, and so on other, so i think its just a shaking of the air and nothing will come of it, against the background of how russia thunders its weapons and threatens the whole world again, we have problems with poland because of ukrainian grain, today the minister of agriculture of poland, robert telus gave a briefing after online meetings with ukrainian colleague mykola solsky, poland believes that ukraine should withdraw the complaint filed against it in the World Trade Organization, because ukraine is trying to solve this issue in a civilized way, what did the minister of agriculture of poland say, lets listen, minister, ukraine, minister solsky said that he will talk to the minister of economy of ukraine to consider withdrawing this complaint, it would be good if we want to talk, i think we all want to look for longterm solutions, not just here and now, and the decision is enough. Time, then this rolling pin is not needed, as it is a kind of rolling pin. Of course, we also talked about transit. We are in the final stages of negotiations with lithuania, regarding the transfer of control from the polishukrainian border to the lithuanian port, control that will ensure that the grain leaves the borders of the European Union. Mr. Oleksandr, official kyiv found itself between two fires, relatively speaking, the first this is our legal right to export ukrainian grain to the territory of poland, and on the other hand, the polish elections and the Election Campaign that is currently underway there, and the claims of polish politicians to ukraine. We, as a civilized state, are trying to defend our rights in court, in the World Trade Organization. By the way, as it once was in the arbitration with gazprom. The poles say, listen , withdraw, it will pass here, i guess. I think, it will pass, one month, the Election Campaign will end, the polish farmers will calm down, everything will be fine. In what way can ukraine protect its right and not quarrel with its nearest neighbor, which helped a lot during the last year and a half. Well, you know, the first and most important thing we have to say is that the reason for our contradictions is the armed aggression of the Russian Federation and the blockade of our black sea coasts. Because there is no substitute for us to trade freely from our black sea ports on earth, i. E. It is impossible to transport it either by road transport or on the danube or by ironbearing transport, the second point, we understand the difficulty of the government, which should show its voters care, but on the other hand, you know, the study of the kyiv school of economics was very interesting, which showed two factors the first is that polish farmers currently earn twice as much, have twice as much revenue as before, and the second point is that the dynamics of polish prices generally correspond to Global Dynamics prices, that is, we did not collapse the polish market, that is precisely why we understand that this is politicization, i agree with you that our rhetoric can be perceived negatively and i do not think that it was correct, even. To mention poland so indirectly in the speech president at the un general assembly, it seems to me that it was inappropriate, but on the other hand, protecting our interests in the World Trade Organization is a completely normal thing, so it seems to me that what, now the negotiations that are going on that in fact we will to transport in transit to germany and to the baltic countries, which then the World Markets already from their ports, this is absolutely. A good thing, also we have to remember that the poles, no matter what, will support us, since we are fighting their war as well , and of course what we have to take to the attention of the peculiarities of the National Character and this honor, there we will say the way they behave, and of course that sometimes we do not need to throw up a lot of trouble, and on the other hand we cannot and we will say so, not defend. Our own interests, because we are not a younger brother or a younger partner, and thats exactly why rhetoric is one story , and how we defend our National Interests is another story, well, finally, you know, i think its very important to repeat a simple thing , for ukraine cessionary an important question, because we lost a third of the economy, every cent we earn goes to continue this war and liberate our own territories, and for poland it is actually a shortterm political interest before election day, and therefore it is impossible to compare the weight a question for both ukraine and poland. And can it affect our accession to the European Union, well, that is, now we have grain problems not only with poland, with other neighboring countries, that is, whether all this, all these issues will be removed as soon as grain corridors will begin to work normally in the black sea basin, in principle, these issues will simply disappear by themselves. Well, you know, as shown by the experience of finland and sweden when they joined nato, there will always be some issues that are not very related to this process in the same hungary, which blocked the accession to sweden, or in turkey, which blocked the accession, introduction, finland, thats exactly why you cant be more precise, you cant hope that the granted hungary will put sticks in the wheels, and theyve been talking about it for a long time, and we understand that hungary is putins trojan horse in the European Union and nato, and with regard to the poles, of course, we also have contradictions. The same historical memory and these warriors, which are not connected with the present and the future, but which are not unsolved and will not be solved in the near future, there may be some other questions, since it is clear that according to the structure economy , we are very similar both from the point of view of agriculture and our industry, so we are partly competitors, but i hope that the poles can be offered a model not only coexistence, and a model of, shall we say, joint. Action, because our interests, in relation to other europe, especially old europe, they coincide, and therefore, of course, what would be natural for us, shall we say, mutual investment, mutual consideration of interests, in order for us to become a powerful bloc within the framework of the European Union and defend our interests, especially when we have such a neighbor as the Russian Federation. Thank you, mr. Oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, and a person who knows about foreign policy. Everything in ukraine. Friends, we work in on the live broadcast of telekanaluso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about this, are you ready for an increase in tariffs for e, utility services, yes, no, and your option, please write in the comments that these tariffs may increase , the minister of social policy said today and they said that there will be subsidies, well, that is , the topic is already starting when government officials will somehow talk about the topic of a possible change in tariffs for communal services. Next, we have a political expert, peoples deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation volodymyr tsybulko. Mr. Volodymyr, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. Congratulations, glory to ukraine. Glory to heroes. Lets start our conversation with strikes by the armed forces of ukraine, the Defense Forces of ukraine, on important military facilities of the russian occupiers. Especially today. Explosions rang out in shkolkovo near moscow, this is near the chkalovsky airfield, this is the second time it is flying there, and not so long ago, on september 18, saboteurs there burned two an148 and an20 planes, as well as mi28n helicopter, and of course, over the last week we have seen how the Defense Forces of ukraine strike military targets. There in the temporarily occupied and annexed crimea, for the second day, Russian Television shows the commander of the black sea fleet, the commander of the black sea fleet of the Russian Federation, sokolov, they say he is not killed, he is alive, but it is very strange that they are showing him and we are watching a very strange video, nevertheless, do you agree you with the fact that ukraine is now starting to overtake russia in informational and psychological fields special operations, because even if sokolov is alive, we buried him a long time ago, and the russians are also beginning to doubt whether he is alive or not, well, even if sokolov was alive, then we were talking about two more generals, and they are quietly silent about these generals , even, well, information comes from sevastopol public sources that they quietly buried those present at the headquarters, moreover, the throwing of cans, the filming where the awards are given, is strange, in my opinion. Marine brigade with the order of nakhimov, and this sokolov awards it in the hall, the headquarters of the black sea fleet, therefore, and this is old, this is canned, well, it was on august 29, this information and this video , that is, at the end of august, so therefore, therefore, in fact, ukraine will not only receive the initiative in the offensive, but also the initiative in informing, everything after all, free media is free media, that is, there is more creativity, more freedom and less fear in the coverage of hostilities, so really, you just need to understand that russia is encapsulated, closed, and all our replays, honey, they dont shake like that the socalled deep people. Russian, that people intimidated, confused, he, he is sobbing in a rag, and it is still impossible to stir him up for any actions against the russian authorities. Well, by the way, propagandists and propagandists actively work with this people , including olga skabeeva, what she says about how russia could come to an understanding with the United States of america, what she says, what she carries from propaganda. Channels , lets hear it, it would certainly be easier for the americans to understand us if we took and destroyed kiev, given that we can, given that we we do not do this, they sometimes believe that we are not capable, which means that we are weak , exactly the same thing happens with the danger of nuclear war , but if we have not yet struck ukraine with Tactical Nuclear weapons, then, the americans think, we have problems that to the russians, in your opinion, that they still havent cracked down, as skabeeva says, of course , the more skabeev, solovyov and the like scream about the need to crack up and about nuclear ash, this is really evidence of their defeats not only at the front, and obviously such economic nervousness in russia, therefore, well, propagandists of course play in the ears of the russian population, but the point is that we must impose our game on all possible platforms, from sports to economic sanctions, that is, it is important here, also to work with the National Liberation movements of the peoples of the Russian Federation, it seems to me that in this sense we are a little underdeveloped, and a special program must be formed. So that the enslaved peoples of russia clearly understand that ukraine is their friend. By the way, yaroslav was engaged in this at one time stetsko, the leader of oun banderivska, who at one time created an antibolshevik bloc of peoples together with marshal changkai shi, and the chinese, chinese nationalists supported him. Well, we know that russia still plans to fight in ukraine until 2025, well, at least yesterday serhii shoiguna, the collegium of the ministry of defense of the Russian Federation, talked about it, he said that by 2025 the intended goals will be achieved by the russian army, i. E. First two or three days, then two or three months, well, now its been three years , they put it for themselves, sergey, you have to remember that during these more than one and a half years of war, putin never recorded the goals of this war, first there was denazification, then the protection of the people of donbass, the right to the russian language and the like, but lets remember lavrovs recent visit to the general assembly, the un, where he suddenly spoke about the recognition of the territorial integrity of ukraine, that is, and even, by the way, in the russian public and the environment there are a lot of such messages about peace, that is, they are beginning to feel that the russian population is tired of this war, because it is without results, she brought it to the impoverishment of nations and essentially deprived the Russian Federation itself of any perspective, so in this sense