To the duty officer i say i need to hand over my child to have his dna tested, they just looked at him with their eyes on the engine no, not to us, i went to another station and they told me no, no, not to us, yevhenas tenyearold daughter submitted dna samples only after iryna she called the hotline of the ministry of internal affairs on the instructions of an investigator or a court, samples are taken from police stations and the bureau of forensic medical examination, samples are taken from the deceased by forensic medical experts and transferred to the state scientificresearch Expert Forensic Center of the ministry of internal affairs for processing i typed in google ndcc of ukraine and there is a phone number for the month of june, the month of july, the month i call them, or i call them every 2 weeks, so i call them and tell them when the childs samples will be in the database. Wait in another two weeks. Okay, the dna samples of the child have been received. At the end, at the end or at the beginning of september, you are now in the Dna Laboratory of the state Research Expert of the forensic center, and this was the First Laboratory that was created in the Expert Service and it was created well , somewhere in the early 2000s. Now you have to be able to see which objects we are working with, for example, on a war crime. That is, these are the remains of an unidentified person, and how do you understand it here to carry out some kind of identification without Molecular Genetic Research . It is almost impossible to establish a dna profile, for example, from bone remains , an expert must conduct research and where should it be to dissolve the Cell Membranes , get to the nucleus of the cell, where the dna is contained, and only after that does it work with pure dna at further stages, that is, to cut off a piece bones and then put it in the device. We cannot many bodies remain for a long time, for example, in the territories, for example, occupied , where we cannot take them from the field , depending on which one, if it is , for example, summer and hot, then the body decomposes very quickly, and this leads to putrefactive changes, that is, dna is destroyed, and we try to establish a dna profile from any material that comes to us, but all these circumstances , such as decay, high temperature, they greatly affect the research process, and this is leads to the fact that we do not always manage to establish a dna profile the first time. That is, we can go back to the beginning there several times up to 10 to 30 times, that is, we do not stop at one relative. We never confirm this relationship. We must apply as many methods as possible or how the most relatives in the system of the Expert Service of the ministry of internal affairs, there are 10 laboratories that work, in particular, with the remains of the dead, they are called fullprofile, one of them was opened already during a fullscale war, another 14 work to collect dna samples of living people. If compared before armed aggression and fullscale russian aggression, this load has increased by tens of 20 times, today it can be 100 and 200 and 300 expert examinations for one expert, depending on the complexity of the objects , the number of items submitted for examination, the complexity of the questions that the investigators ask in resolution, we are constantly training new personnel, we are constantly responding to these challenges, last year we trained more than 30 experts there today, we are currently completing the training of about 40 more in the next six months we plan 30 more experts to prepare. That is, it is a permanent job. Yes, it cannot be solved in one day. The girls helped me move to kyiv. I worked with a security guard. I didnt know the city very well. Well, in general, and then when i was already tired, i needed a month, well, very, very full, so i opened a map of ukraine and told little bera, we will go to it with you, problems with eyesight, here i am, here we are, oh come here , such a long, long name in khmelnytskyi iryna she got a job at the Charity Organization caritas, they feed lunches to forcibly displaced people, conduct classes for children, take care of families in difficult circumstances after work , iryna often meets her friends on the streets. Along the city street, among them is a photo of irynas husband. Good afternoon , you didnt put flowers for him, you need to draw some kind of picture and stick a sticker. I dont i didnt say anything, i just didnt understand how to explain it to her, because in order to explain it to her, i had to be a kind of support for her at that moment, but she understood that he hadnt contacted her for a long time. Well, he didnt contact her. Writes because she continued to write to him, but he didnt answer, i couldnt tell the child that your father just died, i started to say, nastya, do you remember that you and i were at the mystery and when hmm and when soldiers die , the boys launch such a beam to heaven i say, i say that our papa is already with you became that warrior when the guys just shoot a beam at him and that poor child closed his ears black eyes speak like that she didnt want to hear about she cried, well , she cried very often and she said that she misses him and i paint him for long months cuba is the only place where iryna and nastya go can come with flowers, people like them come here, those who could not pay their last respects to their fallen relatives, because they are still waiting for the body to be returned and for the dna match. You understand the place just now it would be easy to climb there its just a matter of putting on a slipper what is it like here in the landing you can run into what you want it is visible here you see sergey their russian here is ours they found him he was rolled in look what we are looking for he was last seen here together with the fact that we are here we found this thing that was torn off, we can somehow now carefully look at this place at least 10 by 10 from here to examine this place, well, pegasus has already been found well, i see, i am also trying to change this pipe, yes, who will turn it over, we must try is it interesting that the same one is calling because i am here i am here for a month, its not a fact that i can find something here now, if we find her, then only bone fragments look here, somehow we have to feel for her, she was standing bone fragments , so far i cant say anything in the school of activity, then when a person is identified , she is buried, thats the end of it well, in order for her to be identified, she must be found, in order to find her, a very large collection of information must be made, as well as for the local population , including and to be kept from relatives, even from the breed, or sometimes even from brothers, even more information, for example, about the details there or even with the family of the military unit , these are the locations that i have marked for myself in order to work out the blue ones that have not been worked out , green ones are worked out, we found our servicemen, red ones, we found russians, if we find a russian, we want to take him away. Somehow it is an enemy for us. That is how, thanks to the exchange of bodies, it was possible to return yevgeny the crucian carp home. In september , the bodies have already passed. It came only after 67 months, we got to the base. Well, there was a coincidence. My childs samples were already in the base at that time. The case of yevhen karasya was transferred from the police to the sbu. Irina was unable to find out who it was. The Police Investigators did not pick up the phone at first, and then blocked irinas number. In december, the woman independently searched for a new investigator of the security service, who now took care of her case , then the case was transferred again, and until february, iryna did not know who to contact. In february , the investigator contacted me and said that there was a dna match with your child will be scheduled for a comparative examination on march 23 or 24, he calls me again and says that the laboratory has sent a request for the collection of my dna samples. God forbid they didnt get lost anywhere, god forbid someone there didnt somehow cover them with a notebook and didnt lose them as well as a personal file. Its like a wound that opened to you every day. They open that bandage and let air in. You cant get over it somehow it is easy to rethink it you are waiting, waiting, waiting for you to say the word wait, it has already been repeated a thousand times, he understands that they have a lot of work, but who will understand me that i have been dead for a year , i cannot bury him, so if they hand over the body to you, oh, you are lucky. If they dont hand it over to you the body, you can wait and look for it with your hands. I cant even say that i am 90 sure that it could be my husband, and where possible now there will be such an examination that he will not come together or the condition of that body is already such that they will not take samples anymore as well as the donors statement, the cones, the tool, when we pick it up, there was a lot of cutter work and he says in different mails its like a cigarette hit him like that he has a scar, this data coordinator of the International Commission on issues has gone missing in the gag we send all the samples that we take from us, it is not done Laboratory Work in kyiv golden with lessons and protection from Political Data and starts data its like uh its how we process it so we keep the neighboring International Law its just how do you agree with all three groups who we put three signatures on the tick do not put a tick we will rewrite your data, i. E. The profile of your husband, which already exists in them genetic, it will be supplemented with your genetic data and yours because in any case we have to take dna from you in this situation, we took samples aa in the mother of the missing person in his wife and daughter, why do you need a wife . Because, er, denka is a child of her parents, she contains er, like a lollipop , a part of both father and mother is contained precisely with the help of the fact that we have a dna sample mothers we can to separate him from the one in alyona and obtain the dna of the father. However, to provide full assistance in the search for missing ukrainians, the International Commission cannot, according to ukrainian law, conduct dna examinations that help identify the dead. Only ukrainian state institutions have it. We hope that this will change thanks to the cooperation agreement. That the conclusions of the experts of the International Criminal court can be considered as equivalent to the conclusions of ukrainian experts, this will allow to overcome these small problems regarding the admissibility of the conclusions of the International Criminal court in ukrainian in criminal proceedings, of course, any International Tribunal will in any case recognize the conclusions of the icj experts as evidence , so we have a long experience. The problem is that the legal landscape in ukraine does not provide and does not make it easier for International Organizations to provide Technical Assistance directly to ukrainian institutions, and for this to be is acceptable in the Ukrainian Court ukrainian hotel, so the Expert Service of the ministry of internal affairs remains the only one in ukraine that establishes matches between the dna of the living and the dead. To date , more than 30,000 examinations have already been carried out. Yes there is still a significant number of uncompleted examinations, and the remainder of uncompleted examinations is a number that is constantly updated because there was an exchange or some, god forbid , mass burials or remains were found, whether from the battlefield or in general and thats why, well, about 57 thousand such places still remain unfulfilled, its based on crimes related to armed aggression, you can measure the opportunities that you can provide vampires. Now the ministry of internal affairs is increasing its Laboratory Capacity until the end of this year. Should be able to process 5,000 postmortem samples per year and many thousands more samples from family members the train is on the 10th track the numbering of the cars starts on the east side of the station i cant gather my thoughts so i was prepared for that but you will never be ready for it and he gave me those conclusions, all there is a probability of 99. 9 in a year and two months after the news of her husbands death, iryna will learn about what worried her the most all this time, where is the body , that is, rather, what happened to him during this time theres already something left there that you cant recognize anything there and theres a strong smell that just hits your eyes and your nose, you cant stay there for 5 minutes more, its just, well, there were sneakers there, what kind of shoes did he have, well, he didnt have a jacket, well, he didnt have anything ukraine, in june of last year, we submitted a Draft Agreement on cooperation through the embassy in gaza to the ministry of Foreign Affairs from june of last year to january of this year, the nksb held numerous consultations and discussions with all involved ministries in order to agree on the text of the agreement somewhere on january 1 this year, the agreement was stuck between the ministry of reintegration and the ministry of Foreign Affairs. What is needed now for the cabinet of ministers of ukraine to decide which ministry should be the main one. To propose an agreement to the cabinet for signing after the festival. Find the answer why Ukrainian Government officials have not yet signed the agreement , neither we nor the International Affairs commission could of the missing persons in the Prosecutor Generals Office gave a formal answer about the meeting in january with the participation of the National Criminal court, the prosecutor general, during a conversation with journalists, directed the public to the head the department of combating crimes committed in conditions of armed conflict, the office of the prosecutor general yuriy bilousov. We sent a request and called any International Expert institution on its own cannot conduct an examination in ukraine. Toka can involve our National Expert institution. Can attract any specialist from any country directly Law Enforcement agencies cannot currently attract this commission a very effective and valuable structure, but these points are also legislative in order for this commission to start working in full. Yes, there should be written changes in the legislation , there should already be a parliamentratified agreement, a special form, that is, with the help of a memorandum , namely java, i will tell you honestly about six months ago that this topic, i dont even know what time , on may 19, 2023 , deputy head of the office of the president of ukraine Andriy Smirnov met with representatives of the ministry of internal affairs, later when we turned to the directorate for of the information policy of the president s office, so that Andriy Smirnov told how they plan to establish cooperation with the ministry of internal affairs and communications, we were told that there was nothing in particular to answer. The press service told us that they do not have an agreement, nor active cooperation with the commission, maybe the head of the government knows our request to the prime minister, his department simply ignored the answer from the ministry of internal affairs, we waited for almost a month, they answered that the ukrainian investigators did not authorize the International Commission to take biological samples. They also informed us that the main developer of the Draft Agreement on cooperation between ukraine and the ministry of internal affairs is the ministry of reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine. The ministry of reintegration noted that they were ready to sign a memorandum instead , the commission insisted on an agreement with the government that would make it possible to work legally, now the department does not have information about whether appointed by the ministry that coordinates the signing of an agreement on cooperation between the government and the International Commission on missing persons. They do not have information about the stage of the signing of the agreement. In the meantime , the employees of the National Security agency stopped doing even the smallest thing in ukraine. What did they do to take dna samples from the relatives of the missing persons until now the status of the commission will not be determined, 14 months have passed since the commission submitted the Draft Agreement to the Ukrainian Government, it took iryna the same amount of time to identify the remains and bury her husband, thousands of other families are still they are waiting for the single register of missing persons, which became operational in may 22nd, now there are more than 24 thousand people in a year, the International Commission could process 5 thousand samples, but so far it cannot even identify those who are responsible for the delay in the agreement in ukraine , every morning i do not say hello, then i go to the stop here well, how is he going home . Sometimes he is all cut up when i fight with him and until now, as always, the only thing i want is to bring a memory of him and for her to remember him like this all my life, never eat him till the end i would give everything so that she would have the best. Because it was dear that i had. I stand by you. My little mouse will have a good education and he will not necessarily be proud. Well, i would like that very much. And i am working on it. I have been notified of my death. I found out that my husband was the commander of a sniper group. And he just told me. Well, he shoots. Well, thats how i lead the boys to Christmas Trees there and on march 7 , 2022, the junior lieutenant gave his last battle for a free ukraine. If i really wanted everyone to remember what a great price is given to us this free ukraine, our freedom, our independence uhhuh chevrons approaching victory walking from the deadly danger that hung over the country continuing the thousandyear tradition of statebuilding in ukraine to declare ukraine an independent Democratic State on august 24, 1991 and 346 glory to ukraine glory to you Blue Mountains covered with ice ivan the knight and great by god do not forget fight you will overcome god help you the truth has smeared and the will is holy thousands of years of state formation 105 years of struggle 32 years since independence we as