, the northern part is special, but kharkiv will pull out like kharkiv, it will pull out the whole region in some way he will definitely lose, well, lets put it this way , i would, well, consider it impractical to keep militaryindustrial enterprises from there. It must be taken into account. Yes, yes, yes, but the rest is a technical center, a technological center. I had no doubts. Well, im ready to accept it. And if the ports are blocked, what will happen to odessa . It will definitely remain a metropolis, because of what, its not just the ports. Odessa is odessa, which concentrates the entire south on itself. We will be able to rebuild it, thats why i say that the south is separate, the west is separate, because there is an ecological capacity there, which, according to our ecologists, has already been exhausted, there are certain reserves in lviv oblast and frankiv oblast for industrial construction, ecological reserves i mean the rest of the regions, there is nothing anymore. No volyn, no bukovyna, no transcarpathia. Well, nothing, just nothing, why . Well, because there is an ecological capacity , what does this mean . It can be explained. Not under the forests, not under the mountains, well, this is not enough there, it is possible to move some more to the lviv region, to the frankiv region, yes, it is possible , but that is all, and that is why all our conversations are that we are going there, it is not known that it seems to me very doubtful from the point of view of logistics, yes because poland is close to the western borders. Well, there are no questions here. The russians are a powerful pipe and they can fire rockets for three days next to romania thats one thing, and artillery is another. Even i understand that, no, i agree with that. Its not kharkiv, lets be frank, but there is no place to transport there, thats why it seems to me. Well, as i understand it, well, im just a person who has nothing to do with the military industry, but its just that, in geography, its understood and so the rest that we have to look at differently the Central Regions are possible there, after all, you cant get artillery there, well, with missiles, with drones, with a strong one, you can fight with the help of air defense, so there is a chance to transfer there , well, in addition to breaking up and so on and so on and so on well, its all the same creates prospects that large areas in the east and south of the country will be industrialized , you can say that definitely yes yes, to the extent that people today do not understand it very well well , people are people, if only the government understood if people do not understand this and they continue to live in deindustrialized regions. We are faced with a serious problem of unemployment in large parts of the territory. Today, people who are willing and able to work are leaving there. Most of the older people will remain there. This is not about unemployment for the concept. What difference does it make to the state . Load and there is no working population is much heavier than the district , well, but central ukraine also obviously has some ecological capacity. It seems to me that there far from its exhaustion, very far, well, at least this information that i receive from our colleagues, i returned, i missed kombispasm , the power that tames yours. And what do you think about lakalut fix . For my pension, a new cream for extrastrong fixation of dentures and healthy gums. So, your choice is fix, meet the novelty , its profitable, the package is 70 grams, turn on the championship on megogo. 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You know such a rapid outbreak, tomorrow you will be happy, it will not be the same, that is why people will concentrate in kyiv more and more. That is, in fact, this is the moscow model of the state, pour it on the american one, it is almost the same thing. Why is it better, and there is no such government there . Crazy well, there is no government, but the Economic Situation itself is so similar yes no no we still wont we wont be able to implement the russian model even if we wanted to we dont have so many Natural Resources no im not talking about that im talking about hypertrophied specific cities its true in this situation, what cities can think about the influx of the population of kyivlviv, first of all, not only all metropolitan cities and kharkiv and odesa and the Dnipro Kharkiv and odesa and the dnipro there is an unconditional zaporizhzhia definitely another such center the housing capacity is still small, but in order for the city to be able to concentrate a large population, the Housing Needs to be first of all from vinnytsia. I dont see Housing Stock to Start Building today, or at all what can happen with such investments, how much are people willing to invest in what a light, i am simply madly surprised that that the cost of housing is increasing in kyiv on the primary market on the secondary market i would understand the increase in the cost of rent i would understand but the cost of housing is increasing but in ukraine it has always been traditionally considered that it is better having your own apartment will fit into your house, it is not known what and what will happen to your investments, a person, as a rule, in the conditions of the postsoviet state and in general the latin american economy, which you now mentioned with such pleasure, you are today and tomorrow never lives well, you know me this is a large number of students the situation has changed, but they are investing in housing because, well, firstly, victory has grown, and secondly , they believe that after the war there will be housing available. This will be a very serious financial resource, but do not think that people just appeared like this the amount of free money in a certain amount in some of you that they dont know where to invest it, they invested it if they had the opportunity well, im asking you if there was a desire if people live here if for people if people people or a person wants to go abroad there are no problems true true leave your their husbands want to live here, their husbands cannot leave. They are buying housing because they moved from kharkiv to kyiv. By the way, what klitschko says now is that we have practically recovered the prewar population. I say that it has not completely recovered. The number has recovered, but this does not mean that all kyivans returned, came here from kharkov, from dnipro, zaporizhzhia, from melitopol, i dont know, from kharkov, from dnipro, from zaporizhzhia, yes , there is such a shuffling of the population, this is a reality this is a movement and shuffling and shuffling of the population is moving from the east of the south to the center inertia, there are no people here, this is not a question for me, this is a question for you , why are people from lviv now because there are opportunities not only, firstly, there is an opportunity , secondly, it is safe here, in fact, in kyiv in uzhhorod than in uzhhorod no than in lviv is possible lviv during this war believe me as a person who lives for two months uh how many living people are there kyiv 2 or three three in terms of number the plot was the same well it seems to me that the people who live in lviv they are so they dont feel it, they feel it less on them, uh, you know, lvivians, we are in the second, the third, the 25th generation, these people who came to lviv , in turn, can come to kyiv because kyiv can be better protected from the point of view, so it is it is clear from uzhhorod that no one will go because there, as far as i know, nothing for the whole war is still fine, lets hope as soon as it happens, yes, yes, there is logic in this, in chernivtsi, well, there were one or two less , of course, and the problem is, you know, there are still a lot of them in kyiv new buildings, which even in the case of getting there, well, for some reason, they dont stack up like houses of cards, thats true, yes. And there , god forbid , its all Housing Stock. Yes, well, not for the most part. And when you are you talking about the fact that these five clusters exist , how far are they being developed at the official level . Is this exclusively work, so far, we are working, so far, i dont see any support in this matter, i dont understand, i dont see unfortunately , maybe im wrong, maybe not five maybe four maybe eight classes i dont know but we need to think about it and we need to discuss it and i dont see this yet we are starting conversations there is a Territorial Community there is a district there is an oblast but thats not what we need to talk about now we wont rebuild the economy does not know where we will be i dont know how to rebuild the economy of mennska there. The golden bears of cherkasy were brave. Well, somehow it wont be like that at all, and when we invite an investor here, we have to offer him something, and we need to offer different things. If we invite an investor, lets say to the north of sumy or chernihiv region, i think that something should be offered to the investor so that he would come there. This could be israels options, perhaps it could be the option of military settlements. Yes, yes, yes, but the government must choose what it will do. I dont really remember that anyone in israel really wanted to invest in a Peace Agreement with egypt, of course there was industry there, there were factories, there were jewish initiatives, but everyone understood that they could lose it but less was invested there and the dutch heights were also invested , it was already uh and it was state policy well, i know that she can lose it all the truth is that the state of israel invested in the Sinai Peninsula now when we we arrive in the conditions, in short, as vacationers, the Sinai Peninsula is not there, and the prices were not there. Well, this is egypt, im telling you about the natives, you werent there either. Well, well, in any case, a vacationer who was in egypt, they definitely visited us, they look at us when they arrive well, you dont see the prices of israeli investments there, there can be hotels that were built during the time of israel, it doesnt exist now, only yes. Im not saying that a private investor will just come there, i mean teenagers, but the state should encourage a private investor to come there, it can be some communications, it could be risk insurance, investing in these insurances, it could be other options, different, maybe the state itself should come to such places, and not often , the problem is the same topic for discussion, we talk about it, lets think, lets gather, lets discuss, lets decide, because when we will drive out it will be late we must drive out and have an abcd plan and i am absolutely convinced that we must have different plans for different territories in accordance with the final of the war also probably yes because the semifinal of the war can also be different there can be one the line of contact is different the state border with shelling the state border without shelling if such luck befalls us and we can agree that there will be blue fairy tales blue fairy tales yes and that there will be no army for 50 km russia chervograda of security well, if there were no fairy tales there, he will not become a member of the un security will be as long as it has Nuclear Weapons well, first of all, lets have this option yes, its not possible , yes, i can dream you should give a Clear Scientific option that it is necessary to proceed from various options for Peace Agreements, everything is accepted yes with this i am pavlo poland if yes then yes if they will stand at the border and we have to do something, thats another question. Well, and so on. If there is putin, then putins. If not putin, then not putin. Well, i mean that what can be a peaceful border can not be a peaceful border in any situation, people who live there in the 50kilometer shelling zone, but this territory is controlled by the ukrainian state. It can develop one way or another. Well, it has to, if people live there. It has to develop, moreover, if it is our territory, then it has to develop and encourage certain categories of people. Okay, but to encourage people to live there, otherwise it will not develop, but this again creates not only economic, i would say such a social, political, ideological brand of questions in israeli settlements, if you have already mentioned israel on the west bank of the jordan river, who lived once . When are israeli settlements in the gas sector ideologically motivated people, you and i, if we went to live in israel, relatively speaking, we most likely decide that we live in an internationally recognized territory because the rules are true because we will be guided even by ideology and economic considerations, the master is property, we buy it, we are not billionaires, we invest what we have, so we need this apartment, a normal job will not be taken away from us, and International Agreements so that she does not pay any compensation later. And if you are an ideologically motivated person, if you look at the second you say that god gave us that is why i say that now there are ideas that we have regarding the return of our refugees from the war. Return to ukraine, we can use the israeli experience, we cannot. There, the situation was completely different. Well, people went to israel, as you know. Existence is a people with a great trauma of the holocaust, he fled from those countries with which he was tied to israel, and ukrainians are in countries where they feel safe , jews did not feel safe in these countries even after the war, this is true, thats how it is i mentioned it only to emphasize once again that we cannot mechanically borrow anyones experience. Well, it doesnt work out that way. Well, now im not even talking about the return of people from abroad. Im talking about those people who can live in the territories of the conditional market and this is so we will return people whether from abroad or western ukraine, we should ask them questions where do you want to return to mariupol or to kyiv has anything been restored practical restoration i was there about three weeks ago practically everything has already been rebuilt and bucha irpin moshtyun none at all, but these two well, more or less, you think people will be psychological, some kind of brake already , yes. They toured babina yara because her sister died there with a baby. And she lived in kyiv and somehow all her other relatives went, well, they didnt have a personal one. Thats why its also i dont know, you cant compare the mentality of the soviets people and modern people. When my grandmother returned to kyiv, she returned in 1944 because dzidzio was in the army. She and her two children lived in the entrance of her younger brother ugu and hid from the police. She was not there. Her neighbors let her wash and cook soup for the children. Lived there, do you think, and can you imagine that now someone will live like this, i dont think so, thats what were talking about, thats why when we talk, we have more people, ill tell people, then they gave Housing Stock in the western regions, they were empty, people from chernivtsi wanted to live here and didnt to go there a conditional violation so that not in general because my older case, my grandmother, she went natasha, the manager, well, she went to chernivtsi and there they offered apartments and everything, and she lived in chernivtsi, but there were not many such people, the majority of people returned to their previous places of residence, now i am not sure what thats how it will be, we have to ask people when we talk about rebuilding the cities of the destroyed cities, we have to focus on that and who wants to return there, i dont know if the people of mariupol will want to return to mariupol, seeing all this, i can want life drawings maybe, but there is also a legal problem, so find out that you are a resident of mariupol, your house was destroyed in mariupol, it was vacated, and there is some other Housing Stock built by the russians and in which you do not have. This is legally resolved, we decided to resolve this with alfa bank no, i dont see a problem here, the worse issue will be with crimea, the people who left crimea to replace those who moved in, who will now be forced to leave again, other people, what to do with the same. As far as i understand, the nationalization of the Housing Stock of ukrainian citizens is what i mean. I say, what to do with this is already another question because people can live there and it is one thing to come to an empty house that was built there by the russians, but whatever, and another question to come to your house, in which people live now , it was stolen, you come and see a Family Living here with children or a person with children, do you have notarial documents on the desk, there are russian ones yes, but they are russian documents, they cannot act on the occupied territories, they have no force for us, but you look at it not from a purely legal point of view, but from a mental and psychological point of view it was so in in the baltic countries, people lived there in someone elses property, they are married, they will leave, they lived there for 50 years in a row, not everyone agreed to this, not all owners of the house agreed to this, i saw it in the czech republic, not everyone agreed to come and drive the family out of here im sorry, these home owners did not live in this home, they just received it conditionally speaking in the form of restitution, they could then let it be rented out, the people were not the owners of their home anyway, they did not give it to them, they said live because they themselves lived, they apologize for tel aviv in transport, anywhere, because in new york and other places ukrainian lands have returned to crimea , this property will have to be completed, this will be a problem. People who moved into these houses in riga or tallinn thought that they were moving into empty houses like in prague. People who move into these houses in yalta or simferopol know exactly where they are moving in. Excuse me, hmm, this is a completely different situation, this is not the soviet era, because these houses for a soviet person were all state property, and people know that they are moving into someone elses private property in italy you are speaking from the position of an intelligent, intelligent, educated person, you simply do not understand how much they beat the head, you can beat a persons head in any way you want, but she always knows for sure that it belonged to someone, but i dont know. After i was told that the capital of ukraine is donetsk, look, i can explain the difference, people who are in the soviet union and soviet people who came, that is, people who moved into jewish apartments in germany or poland or where factories in nonsocialist countries knew exactly which apartments they were moving into a person who lives in the era of private property can be 3,000 times stupid, but 3,000 times know where he is, believe me, at any level of intelligence, these are different things, and by the way, i have to say that this is not only from the crimea , now there will be an explanation. I think that now there will be nationalized property that in donetsk luhansk oblast we will have so many more problems there than in crimea believe me there will be more problems in donetsk luhansk oblast why and because it is easier there with crimea, well, you can remove the families of the Russian Military from there, well, the black sea fleet with their families here, there are more legal grounds than it is possible to do and then simply get mostly the majority of the ukrainian population, say yes , we are the ukraine of the oriented population. Ukrainian passports why do they have the word ukrainian and where could they get them then they went to this country to work and returned there is such a category of population and in donbas this will be all this will be and there will be huge mental, psychological, social problems, we will have it all. All this must be solved by the children who went to school in the 14th year, now they have finished it, you can imagine with what understanding of relations Ukraine Russia they left this school, you and i graduated from soviet schools no to you no i dont think that ukrainians are nazis, well, a lot