Passenger cargo ukrainians romanticize freedom this is how it happened in our tradition will freedom all this is like air something what are you not for you can touch, but without it you cant breathe and on the one hand, its really like the classics, because theres no zloty, comparing all the gold against freedom, its just a swamp, but only now, when they try to subjugate us again , not metaphorically, but literally, when they try to capture or destroy only now an understanding has come freedom has a price and its exorbitant juice must be paid for and we are paying there is a war going on and not only for territories it is also a war for minds russia is throwing millions of petrodollars to turn ukrainians into little russians ukraine will become russias breakdown and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists specific facts and methods by which enemy propaganda turns people into obedient zombies urge residents of the peoples republic of ukraine to vote lets counter the information attacks of the russians in the project of the chronicle of the information war with olga laziness tuesday thursday friday at 17 10 on espresso tv channel with you Vitaliy Portnikov and we will discuss the main events of this week Vitaly Portnikov and top experts about the most striking events of the last seven days, our guest will be a generator of troops, former National Security adviser to the president of the United States, donald trump, herbert mcmaster, an artist, all current topics, pressing questions, authoritative comments and forecasts in the project, an informational marathon with Vitaly Portnikov every sunday at 8 10 p. M. On espresso. Portnikov will join in the next one, so please wait , now we will discuss whether the event still puts pressure on the ukrainian authorities to the pace of the counteroffensive and we will also discuss the famous scandalous i would say the interview, and lukashenka is the proclaimed selfproclaimed president , and belarus is our compatriot, by the way, with a prorussian position, which itself is not against russia occupying ukraine, and in principle, it also earns money, and you see what kind of compatriots we have, Iryna Gerashchenko is popular mp of ukraine, members of the vrs committee on Foreign Policy and interparliamentary cooperation , contact us directly, irina, i congratulate you. Good evening to the viewers of espresso, ms. Lets start, after all, not with lukashenkos interview, but with the statement of dmytro kuleba, the minister of Foreign Affairs of ukraine, about the fact that he does not feel the ministry and ukraine in general under pressure from the west regarding the pace of the counteroffensive regarding a certain truce with the Russian Federation to sit down already negotiations however, it seems to me that when we see certain headlines on the day of the west, for example, the washington post, we discussed today in the studio that they say they will not succeed until the cold weather, and not a failure the counteroffensive is too slow the counteroffensive is not a certain pressure and the first from our communication with our International Partners, we, uh, frankly, often hear several questions, one of them is what ukraine will consider a victory, and it seems to me that it is very important for us to formulate a clear answer to this question, because only access to the borders in 91 well, it can really be a prospect of more than one day of the month and even of the year , in my opinion, and euroatlantic integration should become an important component of the ukrainian victory, which will contribute to the 100 collapse of russia in its current form for us. We need to think about that. Is strengthen sanctions against russia, which today is evading these economic sanctions, is very successfully looking for new sales markets there, and therefore has money for war, and therefore it seems to me that it is obvious that all our partners emphasize that only ukraine will determine when to start negotiations with us only ukraine has to determine what constitutes a victory for it, but we ourselves need to take into account strategies and tactics and take into account the fact that the world situation definitely changes, unfortunately , while playing in russia, this is also true. Because our resources, first of all, human resources, economic resources, they are incomparable, and uh, when developing our diplomatic strategy, including polegov, this should be taken into account, but do not engage in hat throwing, because it is impressive, it is very dangerous, starting from the marathon, where every day we were told about two three weeks of the war over coffee in crimea , in may and in june. Well, ending with this , hats off to the accusations from representatives of the authorities, mrs. Reno, and our western partners with whom you communicate, they ask questions about which are we ready to make concessions, or are we not ready for anything at all, will we wait until we completely liberate the territory, or are such questions not even heard . Well , it seems to me that the question is what does ukraine consider a victory and when would ukraine consider it possible to start negotiations . But here it is actually very important not only what our International Partners ask us about, and what we voice to them, and for example i will say that this is the hype that arose regarding the statement that was made at the conference by one of the nato officials it seems to me that it is obvious that no one says that ukraine will agree to the surrender of any territories, this is a priori impossible and it is also impossible to imagine that the world will agree to the recognition of the occupation of crimea, donbass or other territories, but what we need is very clear to appeal, for example, to nato or with the demand that the alliance also give us a list of our obligations that we must fulfill in order to have a chance to receive an invitation to the washington summit, this is very important, but we have specific seven points, they necessary for ukraines membership in the eu, and i, for example, am worried about the latest statements of the deputy Prime Minister that it seems that ukraine will not have time to fulfill it. It seems to me, on the contrary, that it is fatally important for us to fulfill all the obligations necessary for the start of negotiations regarding the official accession of ukraine to the eu this is also part of the strategy of our victory, we need to understand what are the prerequisites for and see, well, besides, of course, there are safe ones regarding the beginning regarding the possibility of such an invitation to ukraine, but this is what we need to focus on , now it is possible for our regions, diplomats, and authorities, and not dear our partners, we see that ukraine was not invited to the summit , or 28 i think this is a bad bell that only proves that not the whole world lives with war in ukraine, not everything revolves around ukraine and it is dangerous because it is in india that those countries will gather well, which ones do not belong to the g seven, but to the g20, yes, this is already an expanded circle and which , unfortunately, have not yet joined the sanctions against the Russian Federation, we see that russia is overcoming these sanctions obstacles at the expense of the countries of the global south of his very effectively replacing the sales markets, finding there how to bypass ee sanctions so that they work for her militaryindustrial complex, well, finding these elements that are needed for the militaryindustrial complex. This is dangerous and we need to focus on it. It seems to me from the outside, otherwise there will be trouble. Well, the plus is very it is important that we also recalculate our economy, rebuild it on a military one, on military rails, this has not happened yet, and our partners can also see two important questions, ms. Reno, you raised in your answer, in particular, about the big twenty homes comprehensively commented on natos statement, after all, there was a new statement that it was allegedly not true, so completely twisted , as if such a statement was not heard here , they misunderstood there some apology, and you know, ms. Yes, the representatives of the North Atlantic Alliance will not personally express their opinion , after all, it is certainly possible to feel the reaction of society. At the conference, but for me, it is an axiom that education will never recognize the occupation of crimea, donbass, it is impossible, if the world so easily allowed itself to accept the recognition of the occupation of any part of the country , it would open pandoras box and unleash wars in many other territories, secondly, it is obvious that ukraine will never trade with its territories, this is also an axiom, but uh, this official is basically the same well, this unsuccessful one, let s say frankly, and in response stated that such a story is possible. It seems to me that this was the first time that ukraine could to become a member of nato on the condition of occupied territories. And it seems to me that we should do this now, and ukraine has received an invitation to nato on the washington website , unfortunately, none of us can give an answer , really, when we will liberate all our territories. Well, no we are not military with you, we are not equipped with the full range of information. We do not understand how the events on the front will develop, because every method of the Ukrainian Land with a very large amount of blood is readily released, and we are grateful to our military personnel who today in zaporizhzhya in the kherson, donetsk, and luhansk directions, they are fighting to liberate ukraine. But we do not know objectively when the entire territory of ukraine can be liberated, but if such a remark was made that nato is possible under the conditions of the temporary occupation there, i think that we should do everything in order to ukraine became a part of the eu and nato as soon as possible, this will contribute to the understanding of our territories. This is my position. I want to remind you that despite the skepticism of millions who did not believe that ukraine could receive a visafree visa in the state of war in donbas we got visafree despite the disbelief of many people that ukraine can get the status of a candidate member of the eu. We got this status thanks to the great sacrifice of the ukrainian army. I think it was the armed forces of ukraine that convinced all the european capitals to grant us this status and now we have to focus on that. For ukraine to have this chance, its not very big, by the way, but it exists to receive an invitation to the washington summit, donata used it, its obvious that we all want our entire territory to be freed before that obviously, but i dont belong to those experts and those, well, you know, i dont know, very irresponsible people who talk from the president s office on comfortable sofas that tomorrow they will drink coffee in crimea, not realizing that they have never been to the front, not realizing what the cost is to be released every method of the Ukrainian Land. I think that the answers to the question of how the counteroffensive will develop have the right to be given only by our military, only by our military leadership. And thats why. Well, i would very much , of course, we all want everything to be successful but counteroffensive is not just that, its obvious that its not an easy walk. Its really on the show, its not a series, so lets make predictions here. Only the military has the right, i dont think that western countries. Well, we can talk about disappointment, because again, its not a show, but these are realistic estimates that everything is not moving so fast and sorry, lets ask ourselves a question, we see that our military is now facing key injuries that are happening on the front of the counteroffensive, these are mini injuries of the russians occupying the territory, thats all they are mining densely, they are very seriously building fortifications, has ukraine drawn conclusions from the mistakes of 22nd year . Why is the government only now allocating 1 billion 200 million for fortifications in kharkiv oblast , chernihiv oblast along the russian border . Mrs. Reno , the selfproclaimed president of belarus, in his last interview, commented on this very issue and stated that russia would never in his life go to the point of returning crimea, but thats what he he also said, i quote, crimea, zaporizhzhia, donetsk, luhansk, all this can be discussed, lukashenko already says, but you understand that russia will never return crimea, this means that putin, in principle, is now ready to sit down at the negotiating table with regard to other temporarily occupied territories, but not with regard to crimea. What do you think . Ah, well, first of all, the illegitimate president of belarus, who seems to rule the belarusians. Well, he would think about his country , ah, which he is not a citizen of, because , in fact, there is no independent belarus today. This is absolutely unfortunate. Today is a puppet country where the Russian SpecialServices Simply er control everything in that there is a lot to follow and it is a bag er belarus , its selfproclaimed government are complicit in er putins crimes and lukashenko will be responsible for them and it is obvious i think that he is spinning like a pot of water in a frying pan, including trying to justify his crimes when he gave territory to belarus for an offensive for shelling against ukraine, this is the first, second, you know in the russian constitution, the socalled yes, there are recorded today there, as it were, its territories, russia for some reason, it included ukrainian sovereign territories in its constitution, and this is probably the only country in the world with a constitution that is a territory that it does not have, not only has nothing to do with them, but also has no influence on them, because i want to remind you that the heroic armed forces of ukraine liberated part of the kherson region , including the kherson part they were unable to occupy the donetsk region. And by the way, which settlements did russia fail to capture . Avdiyivka is maryinka these are the settlements where, by the way, until the 19th year , sufficiently powerful fortifications were built minifields have been laid and we can see that it is now working. Therefore, we need to draw conclusions about these very important things and strengthen the strengthening of our borders as well as the zaporizhzhia region. That part is indeed under temporary occupation, but the russians have already recorded it there constitution therefore, everything that putin says does not correspond to reality at all, and we should not Pay Attention to it, but think about our defense and the liberation of the territory , we have good signals from our partners, you know, you started our broadcast is about how successful the counteroffensive is over there. What do our partners think about it . I think the best answer is to supply ukraine with weapons if they did not believe in the strength of the armed forces in professional merit, which today is already fighting by professional standards, because they would not have those modern weapons that, unfortunately, are not delivered to us as quickly as we would like, and the fact that the United States gave the goahead to sweden and the netherlands for the supply of f16 is a very good signal, and i think that the task of all of us politicians, authorities, diplomats to work on by increasing arms supplies to ukraine, this will give a chance to carry out a counteroffensive more effectively and, whats more, to liberate our territory , but it is very important to develop our pc ourselves, that s the last remark, well, its not normal when the government collects from citizens for drones instead of doing by the production of drones on drones you can collect, you know, as a channel that there are many , including to support the army, volunteers do this for the government should work on policy development on the production of strengthening our air Defense System and the production of our missiles of our shells and to attack the other. This last question looks a little strange from the tone of lukashenko, and mrs. Ryno, by the way, he publicly admitted to being a coaggressor and declared that he really sent Russian Troops from the territory of belarus for a fullscale invasion of ukraine, so i understand that we should expect in the near future the reaction of the International Criminal court and the issuance of the rest for a warrant for the arrest of lukashenka, not only putin, but first of all, i think that the center of the election was designed for a russian audience to one of, well, to one of putins listeners, and this was again, you know, an attempt to swear allegiance, because lukashenko is well aware that it is e for him, too , it is vital in his situation to swear an oath of infidelity every day, but at the same time try to, well somehow there are certain corners to avoid. And as for the International Criminal court , i want to remind you that, unfortunately for putin, he received an arrest warrant not for the fullscale invasion of ukraine, but for a specific episode, for everything there. Are right in that both lukashenko and his regime in this episode should receive an appropriate arrest warrant because, according to my information, some of the ukrainian children were illegally taken to the Russian Federation through the territory of belarus, we know that these selfproclaimed belarusians are th puppets confessed that they were involved in the socalled evacuation of ukrainian children to carry shevchenko i apologize so absolutely and for this he must also bear full responsibility correct p iryna thank you very much for joining our broadcast Iryna Gerashchenko, a peoples deputy of ukraine , a member of the Verkhovna Rada committee on Foreign Policy and interparliamentary cooperation, was in touch with us. And we are moving on to our next speaker , oleksandr motilya, a historian, a political scientist, a professor at the Radar University of the usa. There is no mr. Oleksandr, i will announce what we will talk about while we are establishing a connection with him. The meeting of the United States of america, japan and south korea, an emergency meeting of the same kind, took place because of threats from china and north korea, alexander, what new agreements emerged as a result of this summit, how will these three partners react to the challenges and threats posed by the prc and the dprk to each this is very important, there is symbolism. What happened is the same in general, it means that america supports japan and even more so with south korea, and at the same time they are all ready to cooperate so that you prevent the possibility of aggression and so on, so i would say that on the most important thing is, dont forget that when it comes to some kind of partnership at the level of the army of troops, etc. , first of all, it already exists in which 40,000 american soldiers are still in south korea, several thousand in japan, and in other islands there and they have already developed different plans of their own, whether it is a case of chinese aggression or not a case of north korean aggression, so the most important thing is exactly what you are showing on the screen here, that biden together with the leaders of two russian countries met and discussed issues and what they said, they will support solidarity among themselves is a signal for north korea and for china and, in an indirect way, they say for russia, he announced that he is ready to meet with the current leader of north korea without preconditions in order to talk about the nuclearization of the korean peninsula, whether such a meeting is possible, mr. Alexander, under what conditions, what did he do at all can agree well, that means the americans are clearly ready, at least its almost as if you have such a desire, or did he say it sincerely, or did he say it for propaganda purposes, knowing that north korea would refuse . Well, its more complicated, i dont know here by the way, taking into account the situation that exists now, of course, it seems to me that this is mainly a propaganda move on the part of america, because there are no special hopes for any preconditions for a breakthrough in the negotiations , it is unlikely that anyone has such hopes, whether there or here where but Everyone Wants to go to serve their desire to live in the nery to keep the nerve and in the end this is exactly how they express it and now the leaders of north korea have put such a spicy situation if he says yes well then we have to meet like that and he of another measure is eh the leithemity of american ee conquests and when he says no , then it turns out that he is against him, so i rather think that this is propaganda, but of course you understand in a diplomat and everything is possible, who thought that trump would meet with him next well, of course, he understood a lot, but everything after all, who could have imagined such a thing, so in principle, such a thing is also possible. Mr. Oleksandr wants to discuss with you one more interesting statement, and i will quote, imagine if we did nothing, it is meant to help ukraine and to stop such a fullscale russian invasion that was it is immediately clear that we are in a situation where it can happen anywhere, if we stopped , what signal would this send to china , what signal would it send to the whole world . After all, the United States of america is helping ukraine to fight against russian aggression, they understand that there will be the same response for china , respectively, and even more so for the chinese, so again , this means diplomatic signaling. In principle, the americans said that xfacts because they will help taiwan so that it is in the interests of america, so you know, these documents exist and there is no particularly new discovery. The fact that she supports russia for purely ukrainian reasons, for reasons that concern russia, there is also a certain signaling that is happening, what you hinted at means that america is ready to support its partners if it is ready to support a partner like that, which is not yet formally a partner of ukraine at least at the same level as taiwan, then of course the thing is, in principle, the chinese should conclude that it will help taiwan all the more. Is this really the case and will it be . Of course, no one knows this, but thats the whole thing in diplomacy, uh, you always want to find out, well, sometimes you have to say very directly what you want, what you want, and what you dont want, but more often such ambiguous signals are put forward. Well, maybe lets do this, or maybe lets do this and this way, your opponents and the enemy do not know exactly what to expect from you and from their opponent, which of course is more useful then for america or for any country that has to do with whom they wrote with reference to the administration biden, that they are allegedly not satisfied with the strikes of the armed forces of ukraine in crimea, they say that it is a waste of funds, it will not give any special result, oleksandr, why are these statements in the western press from time to time that we are doing something wrong so that they are not satisfied with something, because we were specifically allowed to crimea is to be attacked because it is our territory and because it is important in a counteroffensive, as they explain. And so it is among the ukrainians, among the Ukrainian Military leadership, in order for us to advance, we need to reduce the equipment and weapons of the russians, which are also concentrated on the peninsula, directly because, as you think , for why such statements or is it possible, once again, attempts