One. Energy infrastructure last year, we dont just know, we are also preparing Energy Companies, all Energy Companies are currently engaged not only in the restoration of facilities, but also in protection , it is probably wrong to tell the details and discuss them now, but what we know and we hear that practically all Energy Companies are very actively involved in the protection of energy facilities, so even if russia tries to attack energy facilities, we know how to protect them. The second point is that if we hear our military correctly, then there are not so many missiles left in russia either. As it was last year, i think that the start of the attacks on october 10 was specially prepared for the heating season, that is, russia was stockpiling missiles, it made such waves attacks in whole waves, it is unlikely that this year russia will be able to carry out massmass attacks about energy, we missed it for sure, we know about it, thats why i say what i think , but it seems to me that we will be much better prepared than last year, so the chances that the winter will be catastrophic are small, but of course we have to take into account uh, what will happen to the temperature , what will the temperature be in winter . Infrastructure eh and we should also keep in mind whether we will be able to accumulate enough spare eh nonreserve equipment if suddenly something happens if suddenly some transformer is destroyed can we quickly replace it eh the ministry of energy even last year started with a special a fund called the Energy Security fund and this fund is currently working with a large number of countries. It seems to me that more than 20 countries are supplying equipment and supplied last winter in the spring and are now continuing supply so that our Energy Companies can accumulate this reserve equipment. I think that we will also have good reserves at the beginning of winter. Im sorry for such a simple question , but if we assume that until october 10 of last year, when did they start freemasons the first massive shelling of the Energy Infrastructure and to imagine that until this date we had a conditional 100 . How many were destroyed in our country at, say , the end of the heating season and how many were destroyed by yours , well, if you can, of course, in your opinion now approximately recovered from what was destroyed we had about 60 of the Energy Infrastructure destroyed more than half of uh and i think we will not be 100 uh ready for the heating season in terms of generation i dont think because especially for example, coal generation is where the rockets are. They are real. You can see them in the photos. The rockets entered the engine room. Consumption, we will go out, that is, i think that it is about 80 percent of what was in the fall of last year, we will go out. And it is in the ukrenergo network that our company that deals with networks, and it restores it faster, we see from the reports and from the discussions that they have the opportunity its equipment should be replaced and money should be invested Nuclear Generation well, there were no strikes on Nuclear Generation thank god, but they are also quite actively being repaired now so that in the fall we can rely on our Nuclear Plants, coalfired generation is more difficult there than what we read and we hear the necessary funds in order to rebuild quickly, but with funds it is more difficult because there are two options, one option is to go to ukrainian taxpayers and consumers , and the other option is to go to International Partners, and with International Partners, not everything is simple either, because the world is not currently finances coal in the world does not finance coal generation ecological ee look for other options and in fact of course it is very difficult to say this on the eve of winter and within the framework of four months but it seems to me that we can think about the same things in parallel, take the example of European Union and think about the scenarios that the European Union has defined for itself. Remember last year, russia tried to blackmail them last year and the year after with valuable gas. Well , in fact, ukraine experienced this in 2009. The European Union, like europe, was initially afraid of this for many years. Especially germany, they did not believe that russia could blackmail them. And when they realized that this would happen and it did happen, what did the European Union say, ok, we will not just be dependent on russian gas, we will simply speed up our the strategy of switching to Renewable Energy sources is to switch to clean energy and they really now have a special program called repower you and they are trying to move according to this program, on the one hand , they are looking for other options for supplies , it is reasonable for russian, on the other hand, they are looking for options to reduce consumption of gas and for those whose families were in eu countries last winter, they could observe how much and how strongly the governments of eu countries encouraged consumers to save and reduce consumption of special gas, and the third option is the development of alternative sources such as the sun and wind in ukraine, there may still be a lot of white ones, but as i understand now , the largest solar power plants, as well as wind power plants , seem to be under occupation, and we have a huge percentage of wind power plants and solar or in occupied or destroyed because they are located in the east and south of ukraine where the actual power plant is taking place yes that is exactly the case but let me repeat this should not stop us from doing so now to sit down and think ok. If our coal generation is destroyed, how can we make sure that in 34 10 years we do not rebuild the same coal generation, but think about how to replace it with other generation options that are already green and for everything we can prioritize. To survive the nearest land, that is, as carnegie remembers , he has such advice about living in todays age. That is, we live in the age of todays season. Pity is war it is not in the budget in europe, and progressive phenomena are only for them, but to what extent we can combine recovery and modernization now relatively combine recovery and modernization. One option is to go to the ukrainian consumers with the funds, and then look at point 1 ukrainian consumers and so now in the war they will donate money, there is a lot to spend money on, the other option is International Partners and International Partners actually and so we are absolutely worth it to you and even investments are ready to invest not so actively in conditions of war , but there are even such willing businesses that are ready to come and even in conditions of war to try to develop something, but in their language they want to work and build business already in those in the same strategy in what does the European Union think because they know that if they build a solar plant and want to sell its electricity in the European Union to the European Union, they will be able to sell only the electricity produced from the solar plant or a report of noncoalfired power plants. Therefore, we will have to keep modernization in mind when rebuilding our Energy System, but in fact it is good, it is more difficult, it is more difficult, but for future generations it will be better. Please tell me about some European Company or some player there will come to the ukrainian market, this is a fantasy situation in this case, can they really come to us even in war conditions, this is not a fantasy situation and we communicate a lot with European Partners , including we observe what the business thinks individual investors who are ready to come and invest. Even now, their only condition is in the energy industry. Well, okay, not the only condition, but their condition is important. They want their government to add socalled war guarantees, military guarantees, war insurance, this is an opportunity to insure. If suddenly something happens, well, some kind of if governments and individual governments individual governments have already begun to do this, where they have already begun to issue such insurances, that is, if European Countries , the united states, tell their companies ok , we will finance you and insure you against risks. And you can go to ukraine and start production for example, in western ukraine, there are already such and such conversations being held, these are not fantasy scenarios. Well, lets hope that people will come, capital will come and they will develop , god willing, we all want this in ukraine. If you remember from the reforms at the energy panel, one of the austrians was present a businessman who is engaged in he is engaged in the production of hydrogen in australia and in germany in other countries and he announced his readiness to invest about 500 Million Dollars in the Ukrainian Energy industry. I really hope that it is me who always does not understand one thing yes, an australian businessman is ready to invest money in the Ukrainian Energy industry, and for australia, tesla was building a solar power plant, why would an australian . Well, we dont know the reality there, well, its just so funny, such a funny situation in my head. Please tell me if to return to our power system badly injured by the shelling of russia, look aa while preparing this program well, the editors and i came across the the generation of emergency and Recovery Works is 1. 6 of the amount of damage caused by the russian strikes in ukrenergo, the indicator of works is, in fact, 7 . Everything was told by kostyantyn shchepovsky, the head of the ncrec. Yes, and it was said on august 4. Listen to this. The Russian Federation has damaged about 250 objects, yes, 1. 6 . Well, lets take two , thats five objects from the spring, when our officials reported that everything is in our hands. More or less everything we do there, everything we have been doing for so many months, you dont know, sometimes i think that nkrekp and mr. Shchepovskyi he, i also saw these statements he looked at the funds and he counted. I understand the absorption of funds. Well, another question about the methodology, how did he calculate what funds . They have already announced that they have restored nine of them, 7 are in the process , er, its about a third, yes, a third, they have already prepared two thirds, they need to make some adjustments in time for the heating season, so im not saying that we will be 100 ready, but definitely not one percent, five Nuclear Plants have been repaired. Well, four percent, five blocks have been prepared for the winter, that is, four are in the process, that is, not one and two percent, but not so that we are, as of now, i think by the end of october, 100 already were ready. I think we will still be in the process of preparing how much we lost in generation. It seems that on march 4, if i am not mistaken, the gas station was captured by the russians , and at the beginning of june, on june 6, it seems that in july or july, the kakhovskaya dam was destroyed, and, accordingly, the hydroelectric power plant, how much did we lost one military station we already have 25, about 25 of our entire generation. Well, then count one by one how we lost generation in the framework of the tpp well, but now we are restoring it at what expense are we being played by to our advantage is the balance that we lost relatively speaking the generation, but we also lost some population temporarily, i hope because many people left , when i read the materials from the ministry and from there , i very often see the magical figure of 30 . You know, generation fell by 30 , payments fell by 30 , well, consumption fell by 30 , then well, if you take a very general assessment of what happened in the energy industry, then there is a 30 drop. I think that this is very, very general. Well, you can draw such a picture on the one hand. Indeed, our consumption has fallen because people have left. Someone has moved. In the internal transfer of a person to another ooo, it has been reformatted , so to speak, so it has changed, we had conversations with communities that are very close to the frontline territory, this is the sumy region , the kharkiv region, we talked with them, well, last year in the fall watched how ready are they for the heating season, what are the risks, and actually some communities said that in some places, for example, the community has doubled and this immediately had an impact on the amount of electricity consumption, but it is also interesting that i really remembered what the communities said because this is a community it is not a city, so much depends on gas consumption and access to gas, because it is gas heating, and many communities said that gas actually saved them, because if it is possible to supply energy, yes, no. Well, of course, gas for heating and for cooking food through pipes, but for uh, through pipes, but not for not for cities, but actually for individual households, that is, if, for example , there is a village or a Community Without electricity, then in fact the presence of gas pipes helped to solve problems in many ways, maybe this is my impression it turned out to be personal, but it seems to me that the Gas Infrastructure is like that, we are working in marathon in the news. It is less. Somehow it appeared in this list of damages. Am i wrong . No, i think there are at least two reasons. The first reason is that russia continues to transport gas through the territory of ukraine, and russia so far, although it blackmailed all last year, they blackmailed that they would stop, they did not stop. The union is now continuing to accumulate through, including through this pipeline gas, its Storage Facilities and prepare for winter, and er, i think that russia simply does not care about the structure, and the second thing i will repeat is that what happened to us from the communities is that it is simply easier to repair the Gas Infrastructure, since most of it is underground, if something happens, it is there much easier and faster there are more safety mechanisms, relatively speaking, so that less is easier and faster, its just aa to carry out these repair works , by the way, im asking about the unseemly, but right now, mykola is sitting in front of a screen. We are at war and we are transporting russian gas here, why is this happening . I was also often asked this question, well, i really think so. This is the fact of the problem of history. In 2009 , she started a very largescale Information Company in the European Union about the fact that ukraine unreliable gas transfer, it was this work, too, we were sneaking, what we just did with this russian gas, everything was done so that ukraine would give its pipe to russia and agree to the conditions that russia wants, with incredible efforts, we actually managed to prove after the 14th year that in fact it was all an information campaign, a very highly paid pr , as it turned out later, and it was confirmed by some highranking officials close to gazprom. European companies can do business with Ukrainian Companies regarding gas transit ukraine will fulfill its obligations if we imagine now ukraine says during the war , now imagine that right now, on the initiative of a ukrainian company, the supply of gas to the territory of ukraine is stopped, what does gazprom say, we said that they are unreliable transitir , what the europeans say is not a fact, what they will say , well done to ukraine, they can say they do not allow us to prepare for the heating season, what should be, in fact, European Companies should come and say ukraine we we will not buy russian gas, turn off the site, you are blocking your path through our transport system, russian gas and ukraine , then in fact, in fact, could calmly and quickly cut off the supplier without problems well , approximately, at least on the order of mm. Day, but, unfortunately, i cant say, uh , the path by which russia sells its gas, gets money, buys shahedy, and excuse me , makes a fuss about our Energy Structure objects, is environmentally friendly, thats why some of the uh, eu countries started to voluntarily refuse to buy russian gas and russian oil, but i am hungary, there are other countries that say that regardless of the pipeline systems, this is true and for us, it is an extremely big task for all of us, for ukrainian experts, for diplomats, and to continue working with european diplomats, with the european commission, with National Governments. Very actually we are very lacking to work at the level of france at the level of italy at the level of well and even at the same level of hungary i think uh in order to further convince the National Governments to agree to the strengthening of sanctions. And there is a simple fact that nothing has been done in the Nuclear Sphere so far. Nothing by rosatom, they simply do not just cooperate with all of them, they also build new Nuclear Plants in all of latin america and ours, we are trying to explain to all countries, including the European Union look at what is happening with the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear power plant and imagine when the same time bomb will work in africa or will work in brazil or kazakhstan and kazakhstan will vote as russia will say either at the General Assembly or at any other International Platforms because they will be afraid of losing Electricity Generation or will be afraid of some possible largescale disaster recently. Our government is the ukrainian government. And he proposed such a twostep ladder or twotime twotime scheme until 2025, first sanctions are introduced against the heads of gazprom, and from the 25th already against gazprom. Sorry, not gazprom, but from the 25th already the fuel elements have been introduced, can it work . This is certainly correct, but i would suggest expanding it. Where should it be expanded, for example, does rosatom leave there or build its own stations, arguing that it works with german and french companies, it puts eh, conditionally filling the filling stations its french and german, uh, one and german equipment, if french companies, German Companies, well, the German Companies have already stopped , will the french actually stop, or not, if they start, uh, stop cooperation with to rosato, many countries are thinking about whether we want to build Nuclear Power plants only on russian technologies or not. We still have such a thing as a worldwide Nuclear Energy research center. It is an extremely narrow field, and if the russians have access to the latest research that are conducted by european or american researchers or have i not had any news that they were not allowed and the friendship between scientists i think it is so longstanding if there is no direct instruction outside of politics yes if there is no direct instruction, i dont think that anyone would refuse to let them in. There is a megate factor, which we also raised, because one of the highranking officials seems to me to be the Vice President , and the head of the Ee Department is definitely russian, and one can only imagine how information is gathered and transmitted the information there is actually where to expand the possibilities of fighting atomic atomic generation dating of our viewers and understand and i think you understand that the money that russia receives is the weapon that russia is buying it is the weapon that flies at us and at our Energy System and lets go back to our situation, we have two big parts , there is generation and there is transportation, that is, the power line , that is, first we have power plants, then the power line, which of the two aa is the number one target. I think that generation, although very active, cannot the power plant will not collapse, but if you hit it for sure, you can damage it. Seriously, eh. They hit the facilities of ukrenergo a lot. That transmission was a lot more rational. Well, if you can imagine hitting transformers substations, thats right, and violations will be beaten. Last year it was beaten and this year there may be, but here there are two options, one option with a transformer is possible, mmm, im trying to formulate it so that it is correct , the transformer can be hidden, you can protect it from one side, its already been done e its a question for the government. Allow me, i wont comment. Its just what you think. I think were moving quite well, but let the statistics , numbers and Everything Else speak. In fact , returning to the question of what can be said and what cant be said, i have to say that the expert the community is very much asking our government to open a little more information , because very often, arguing with threats of war, even those data that can be obtained on european sites about Ukrainian Energy are closed to everyone else. That is, there is no point in closing 90 of the data. Of course, there are geolocations. There is a lot that can and should be closed. But in order for us all to help prepare for the heating season together , we need to provide a little more data and statistics that are not hmm, critically important for ee for strikes on ee lets say so for use russia, but going back to your question about transformers, the transformer can be hidden, and the transformer can be replaced last year with other transformers, where will we get them or did we get them, do you remember i said about the fund that exists under the ministry, moreover , i remember your interview i am for the bbc of ukraine and you said that we are now looking for transformers all over the world, this is true, but we imagine that the fund started working somewhere in september, probably last year, it was active in september of october last year, and then it was a matter of days the important thing is now we had time Spring Summer search talk find deliver i dont know place somewhere create reserves i. E. The transformer can be replaced if you hit on the generation well Nuclear Generation thats it i think its the same threat as with the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear plant and or in terms of coal generation , there may still be losses, Nuclear Power plants are protected better constructively , they are not protected by us, our government, we are armed , in general, when it is being built, it is designed for larger, i dont know, disaster strikes no lets hope that i would generally like to hope that we will find opportunities for the air Defense Forces to communicate that putin will die and russia will fall before winter, but alas, look, for now it is beyond our influence, influence, but we do it and pray every day. Yes, i definitely want to protect generation facilities , it seems to me that it is possible to conduct negotiations and try to find ways to protect eh, for coalfired generation , in relation to Nuclear Plants, in relation to other critical objects, it is necessary to enter into negotiations , it is necessary to search and it is necessary to bring in order to be calm and prevent attacks. And this is an old thesis and in principle it is trite, but it is true that household consumers are only a small part of the electricity consumption that we have by industry because of our blockades or do you know how this affected and the consumption of electricity by industry fell. It seems to me more than by 50 . Is it very simple that it has become more energyefficient or is it that it has become less industrial . I am very sorry to state this. But i think that this means that either industry is significantly destroyed if we we are talking about metallurgy or industry in very difficult conditions and either reorients aa or stops or takes a break and thinks about how to develop further er well, it is not a secret that er we will have to work a lot
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