Can now speak confidently from the open, and in order to implement this point, there is also a story connected there. What is there in romania to allow our pilots to be trained there . To speed it up, everything is done, well, its even faster, or could you have imagined, unfortunately, there are moments that you cant skip it. We re only talking about the flight deck, theyre not talking about engineering, unfortunately, in view of the fact that there will be no planes, as ignat said to ani in the fall in winter, what does this mean from the point of view of defense it is the first and second from the point of view of offensive and liberation of its territories, if we take defense , the signs, in particular, antiaircraft f16, we needed them, we need them, they will be needed to increase the level of effectiveness of antiaircraft defense, to put it simply, without the f16, our antiaircraft defense will work exactly at the same level of efficiency as it does now, well, against Cruise Missiles, because, well, hmm , is it possible to shoot down a supersonic Cruise Missile of the h22 type on an f16 , which we have never actually managed to kill, well, or they are supersonic what were the russians like at 10 this is a good technological question. I think that there is no data on the americans as manufacturers of this plane, uh, there is no data about daggers, it is also kind of awkward to talk about, by the way, about shaheds, in fact, there are 16, also an important nuance that if well, shahed he it was difficult to shoot down such an air target. Well, because it is a slow mental apparatus, and catching up with it on a jet plane and catching the sight is another story. Well, because no one is a plane, well, it flies much faster, and accordingly, if it is precisely the noble ones , what arises from the fact that our pilots it is difficult to shoot them down on the mig29, unfortunately, not in 16, it is unlikely to be due to the specifics of the onboard equipment, but Cruise Missiles are just the opposite , and by the way, what is important is the detail that emerges, well, we have a comprehensive name for the aim120 missile that is used, well, the nuance is because due to the perfection of the onboard equipment, the f16 can shoot down these firecrackers, and they have 120, well, at much higher distances than now, this is from the point of view that fortunately , where to get exactly well, where to get the m120, we have it from the point of view of defense, all these details from the point of in terms of the offensive, lets take a look at the two options. Under the first option, we are not given additional strike weapons in addition to what is already in use, that is, harm missiles and jade missiles. Well, we can Say Something that the process of destroying russian mirrors and destroying important targets of the russian occupiers near the front line, it will become more effective, but because the f 16 zolochiv to the normal regular regime to use harm and not as it is now is risky, unfortunately for our pilots , pilots on soviet fighters, well , accordingly jd we even throw at significantly higher range. Well, if suddenly such a political option as the transfer of longrange missiles opens up, it will go to 16, because the shadow storm and these derivatives under it are here. Here are the scalps and taurus , he hangs himself under the eurofighter tornado. Well, what the french will say under networks 2,000 under 16 f16 is needed or at all agm 158, which we have, for example, in the amount of 70 pieces in poland, or a somewhat simplified version of the harpoon missile called slam r for strikes on ground targets, if suddenly we are so lucky that they will give us at least this slam r, that is, a harpoon for strikes on ground targets. Well, maybe in 16, then they will even turn into a longrange tool for strikes in the style of how we are now hitting the russians with a storm, that is, and f16 by themselves, if they appear, they m its not enough they will be given if there are not the necessary missiles. Well, unfortunately, yes, because, unfortunately, this is not the kind of weapon that, you know, it will be able to make the native russians tremble only from the appearance of a large active aircraft, although the point is that you are at the beginning. Unfortunately, just the whole the time of the sound is cut off. I apologize, i dont always understand whether you have a pause or the sound breaks, so because of the fact that you said that there are some objective reasons, time is needed to train the pilots that the countries that volunteered to give ukraine in 16 they are doing their best in view of all this when objectively planes may be in ukraine in march, well, spring, next summer, well, you should wait first of all, after all, march and plus , you should still understand approximately the following, taking into account the fact that the russians are already intensively attacking our airfield, about the real deadline , you know, roughly there plus or minus for a few weeks, no one will say out loud well, at least because well, why keep the russians in a state of strategic certainty when they need to intensify their strikes hmm i think because when it comes to physically moving planes to ukraine this will be done as inconspicuously as possible so that the russians do not notice it, the main thing is that you already have more good experience with the movement of slovak mig29s on the territory of ukraine, it became known only when these planes already began to perform tasks in the sky over ukraine, although it would seem a very noticeable process i think that such a case is successful , no slovak mig29, yes, f16 will be able to be repeated, so i will requote what i have already quoted for our audience, the Financial Times writes about the fact that recently Russian Troops began to strike more actively at air bases, airstrips and Pilot Training centers in western ukraine while ukraine is waiting for f16, how will russia be able to use this time and can it really harm, well, can it harm it lets put it this way, the air force of ukraine will depend on efforts, but obviously, they are doing everything. Well , so that the rockets hit, well, they caused minimal damage. Lets put it this way. Well, if there is an opportunity to find out at the same time that some intelligence information has become known to the reshists, as was the case with the example when the russians tried to get the airfield in kolomyia with daggers, which was announced officially, means that there are adequate opportunities to react in time and make it so that the peoples equipment is removed from the impact and that it falls somewhere in the wrong place along the way, plus , sometimes, fortunately, our great russians show some kind of maniacal tягу well, you know, the satellite images in the Public Domain showed that it is unrealistic to beat kostyantyns post there, where there is no one, are you with whom, so on the satellite images, is there anything there, in fact , i dont know, just, you know, something that looks like an airfield, and there are holes from russian missiles, why do they play these roles . This is an open question, but its simple. Well, if there are such factors in danger, what are the russians trying to do, because literally everything is about breaking notes, and because of this, some kind of masking measures are used . We have some airfields. Maybe even tracks that were previously not done in theory at external sites, but they do it because, unfortunately, there are effective songs there , there are some reasons. Well, i see how the russians have to invent something they destroyed something there, and then you know. In their reviews, except for the blow of the jw front that you, there was only a dry area left in them, but they did not spare it, they bombed us. Well, if you add it up in the end, the psychological effect will indicate its part, the predicted consequences of missile strikes, the air force of ukraine is doing more than excellent here , i just want to add that today the minister of Foreign Affairs, dmytro kuleba, announced that ukraine will receive Pilot Training in 16, as soon as it ends. It seems to me that this is not a new thesis, but training. Either it has already started or it is about to start, i understand it in the official way official messages and probably we dont know at what stage of training and its good that we dont know, we know because if we dont know, we dont know here, i dont know because the russians i know, i remember the story of some of those with the socalled pentagon possibilities, well, for some reason, some pieces of paper that in fact later turned out to be leaks from the pentagon were in the hands of the russians before and they explained this on their resources because of the case of iso16 lets be ready for the last of the moment there will be repeated statements that at first glance have little meaning and in general terms there we are speeding up, the pilots are learning and the like and the like and really objective information that will tell us that all f16 are working and they are working in ukraine, i dont know, we will find out there, as a matter of fact, as it was for the slovak mig29, why is it necessary . Well, the slovak mig29 already had a certain significance for us, because there was navigation and communication equipment of the nato standard, and it is believed that these were obtained from countries are too adapted, first of all, the planes are under western armament, so there was already the need to protect the apple of the eye, and now lets see how much the collective efforts of ukraine and western partners will protect themselves in 16 before delivery, that is, will they start . Are there already all these trainings why did they start hmm, this information robbed the wonders, it will never come back, open access will not appear and it will be right because i understand that if we have an objective interest there on the one hand, you understand that it all starts there the process of training on western fighter jets, the moment is approaching when our skies will be better protected, but at the same time, understand that russian agents are unfortunately present in the countries of eastern and western europe. Where is there an opportunity to harm the russians . Even there are russian agents who are trying in one way or another to harm the logistics of military aid for ukraine, but now lets imagine how much effort is needed to preserve the process of preparing our pilots by 16 from extra eyes, even if these eyes are ours, uh, i apologize ivan , our sound is really going bad, i suggest a second that we redial you and continue the conversation because there is more to talk about ivan kyrychevskii, an expert of the military portal defense express or tell me any please, shall we rerecruit ivan, we will rerecruit ivan and continue our conversation, we talked about the prospect of receiving ee planes by ukraine dmytro kuleba, the minister of Foreign Affairs literally stated once again today that ukraine will receive in 16 when pilots will complete the training, it is likely that the training is currently ongoing or is starting, several spoke out, there is a coalition of fighters, these are several countries, in particular, it is the scandinavian countries that agreed to provide ukraine with f16 fighter jets, but as yuriy ignatrechnyk of the Ukrainian Air force stated today, it is likely that neither in the fall nor in the winter will the 16 fighter jets be in ukraine will appear well, as ivan karachevskyi said , its not a missile, uh, well, they wont be as effective as we would like, ivan has already joined our broadcast, i understand, so again, ivan, another topic the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, said the previous evening that now ukraine , together with its partners, will work to multiply the production of drones, which the Ukrainian Military needs very, very much. Th month of a fullscale war, let s listen to what the president said and then continue in each combat brigade , among the first questions, the soldiers ask questions about drones, about means of radioelectronic the fight for military air defense, the answer to such questions is our work with partners for the supply of the necessary drones and systems, this work here in ukraine , we are increasing the necessary production by production, and the necessary systematization of what is already supplied to the troops and drones are used is eyes eyes and protection on the front lines of different ranges of different purposes, drones are a guarantee that people will not have to pay with their lives when drones can be used ivan, what happened why did it appear this is rhetoric, why does the president voice this . I remember a few months ago , the military criticized the minister of defense Oleksiy Reznikov because he spoke disparagingly about drones. Of the minister of defense of ukraine for his lack of understanding of the subject matter to the patrons well , because there are subjective political and objective militarytechnical ones, i will say a little more about some of them. Well, what happened . Well, in fact, judging from only certain cumulative active efforts of the Civil Society of volunteers there, lets say some private subjects who, with the help of the same volunteers, tried to establish their own production of simple drones of the quadrocopter type, who could earn rebates of more complex aircraft type drones for some state efforts. Here they are finally, they gave the cumulative effect about which you can talk about. Well, you know on behalf of the head of state that the fashion for things will finally do something , because if we have such a story with on the one hand, our soldiers are truly irreplaceable. They have reasons to complain about the lack of drones. But on the other hand, we still havent announced the number of how many drones we can spend per month so far. There were figures that from our side every month, i would call it that, 10,000 drones are spent because , well, each drone is flooded regardless of how much it managed to fly away, it will fulfill its task in one way or another new channel and if plus, all the same, drones are used quite often in our country, or for resets. If there was also a mission with a ticket, one end would be obtained from a kamikaze drone, so they are simply lost there. And it was not enough on our scale, as far as we managed to scale now so that it would be possible finally well, so that it would be so, the head of state took the courage to say that finally something is being resolved well, it can only be assumed tim whats more, if we finally have everything. After a year and a half of effort, effort , there appeared, for example, drones that can literally be called cops paths 136. It seems that its called a wellknown person who records, it seems, vladislav shevchenko. A copy and a beaver that flies to moscow appeared, that is , some such design efforts , they gave their results there , as far as standardization is concerned, here is what the head of state mentioned in his video and why did you make a statement that the ghosts of criticizing the minister of defense may not have actually disappeared. But it will happen. Lets put it this way. Whoever wants to will take it. I just noticed something about the russians. What are they really strong at . Why do you still know there is such a problem that we are forced to squirm . What are the russians somewhere . There they prevail in our country, they adopted standardization, that is, they still have it there. Well, the lancet is a standardized mode, yes , the mikadze drone is universal, which is used for the performance of various tasks on the battlefield, a rival of its primitiveness, there are lines of investigative drones for this type they are trying to focus on, but they are nailing some there, they are even trying to accumulate resources for this, so far it still works well, for now, who can manufacture drones without standardization, they do, but this one has the reverse side of the fact that there is no clear defined i would say so the project for them tasks that is what type of drone do we need sometimes there are stories that there lets say yes at least a voice complained one private company that it well makes a drone you know even from the outside, the bags are similar to each recipe. Well, imagine the psychological effect, for example, i remember their lancet. Well, unfortunately , the matter stands. Because there are no such tactical and technical characteristics. But this project is not an approach when the russians do something specific weapons with specific characteristics. They know what they need. At the same time, it helps them to get around the sledge because once it took a lot to make a lancet, now the russians are making and using, in the literal sense of the word, an electric motor from toy airplanes weighing up to 5 kg, which we do not understand, miraculously, families huddle together, and so on, a device weighing 12 kg, that is, a lancet, and unfortunately, this is a weapon that threatens to put pressure on soldiers, that is, this thing that , as the head of state, in his address, wrote in the standards of a hare and there is the establishment of order. Is there anything to work on . And therefore, if he said, listen to the opinion that it is unlikely that the grounds for further criticism of the head of the Defense Department will disappear. Well, of course, if a miracle does not suddenly happen with standardization in us somehow. Hello everyone. Here are the resources and i will send more standardized things, the sound is really bad for you. Im just generalizing or saying that in fact, for a very, very long time, almost from the very beginning of the invasion, the Ukrainian Military has been constantly emphasizing that drones are consumables. Defense minister reznikov was criticized for this. It is important if he already made such a statement. President , this can be considered as a political statement , his possible dissatisfaction with the minister of defense. Perhaps something will change now, we will monitor ivan krychevskyi, a military expert the defense express portal was on radio svoboda, thank you. Well, i encourage you to subscribe to the pages of radio svoboda and like this broadcast. Algorithms work like this. The more likes, the more people will know about us, and support our work in this way. With drones in the wing unit, in fact, thanks to the wings , the artillery of the armed forces of ukraine recently struck the position of Russian Armored vehicles in the forest in the forest strip in donetsk region. See the material from Serhiy Horbatenko now the storks are getting ready to take off. They will be on duty at night. This search is a whole counterbattery fight. We will make sure that the enemy does not force his way forward at night. The red load operator, the second pilot of the crew , who manages through video surveillance, the study of the target, the identification , further, it is the coordination of the sortier , the fattest target, which was three mtb towing cannons, and they were destroyed by one means i am generally a cartographer by education a geodesist my eyes are sharpened to see enemy equipment to find transfer coordinates work out the artillery to fall and then be happy like a child that it burns there coolly and there are peculiarities of ee work especially at night at night this is a thermal imaging camera, the specifics are very strong differs because we see only warm heated objects at times it is difficult to understand what exactly you see, it is a technique, i just dont know, it could be a sheet of metal of such a shape lying on the ground that it heated up during the day and at night it gives off heat and accordingly, we see it, accordingly, we need to spend more time to decipher what we specifically see , here he and i are inciting a fullscale war , i also met him in buch, it seems that on the 27th , the first column already entered buch and broke up at the station and this is literally it was near us, maybe at a distance of up to a kilometer, somewhere like that. It turns out that everything was strewn with corpses. There was a column there. It seems to be up to 1511, maybe 12 , somewhere like that. And there are piles. Who were the russians . They were there. Legs and arms were torn off. Came out of the occupation from buchi. And what kind of pictures did you see . Did you see killed peaceful people . I saw a lot of people, and what did you see with tied hands and children . Well, these forests are so unpleasant. I was involved in civilian life with cars from america, repair and everything and he tells me that there is a position of driver. And i didnt know what drones are in general, they just told me that there is a place for a driver. Everything is great. I like the weather. Everything is like that. I eventually got into the crew. At first we flew there on toys. So, over time, we are already working. There is on the street exactly the contour is hot. Under one contour there is also a large rectangle, well, the tractor is hardly close, but the nerd is the only one. Because the tonic is close enough. Bucks, look closer to the camera. There is a contour of the equipment, yes, and i clearly saw the warm trunk, and most likely there is a camouflaged unit of equipment, the reference number. Well , tonight, we warned of the offensive. The counteroffensive of the enemy side of the movement was not noticeable, and we found one armored car in in the forest belt, they worked on it, and also from our counterbattery counterbattery specialists , they received information from a place where the enemys artillery could work. This is what it looks like. This is how it is more interesting during the day. Because there is more activity during the day , but at night, our main task is to allow the enemy to approach our positions quietly and inconspicuously. You understand why they are here. Came and that imperial ambition is russias desire to raise all its people under itself, we pull them on the shield, she considers them her satellite and for some kind of balance. можеt let go of his wife, a sick people and mentally physically, perhaps victory is not as close as we would like, perhaps we will still have to work on it, but i am already sure that victory will not be behind them for sure , the white house denied negotiations about territorial concessions of ukraine in exchange for membership in nato, in particular, the coordinator of Strategic Communications of the Us National Security council, john kirby, denied the introduction by the us of negotiations on ukraines accession to nato in exchange for the end of the war or on the condition of relinquishing the occupied territories, nothing like that is wrong, we have already talked about attempts to help find a way to membership, we publicly said that in the future ukraine will be a member of nato, and at the Vilnius Summit the alliance supported this idea and the idea of developing a way for this on the eve of the final membership, a number of mass media spread the statement of the chief of staff of the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance, stian anson, who admitted that ukraine could become a member of nato in the case of territorial concessions to russia, according to him, discussions about the future status of ukraine in the context of the alliance after the war are already ongoing, among other things , options with kyivs refusal of part of the territory , the ukrainian side reacted sharply to this statement. The ministry of Foreign Affairs called such conversations absolutely unacceptable, and the secretary of the nsdc, Oleksiy Danilov called the statement a strange throwin, and more later these words were abandoned, even in that and there they called the statement by ukraine about the renunciation of part of its territories by ukraine in exchange for joining the alliance a mistake, and encenus himself later clarified that his statement was part of a larger discussion about possible future the scenario in ukraine, i shouldnt have said that, it was a mistake he said. Yury shcherbak , extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, joins our broadcast. Scenarios can currently be considered in the alliance, lets start from the very beginning. Could an official of this rank think about the scenarios of ukraines membership in nato by mistakenly putting forward the version that ukraine can be taken into nato in exchange for giving up territory. Could it be a mistake or could it be pretext do you still admit that such scenarios can really be discussed and considered there, you know, i see two aspects in this story and i think that both aspects should be considered, which is very important. It is not clearcut black and white history, well, the first aspect is official, er, this is a 45yearold norwegian, jangensom, er, with a long, brilliant career, he was a private assistant to er, stoltenberg , secretary general of the united nations, and now he holds the position of director of the private office of the nato secretary general from tolton and in this, in this capacity, as a representative of those circles very, very close to the secretary general to this entire nato headquarters, in my opinion, he had no right at all to raise this well, this is the official aspect that caused as one International Agency stated that she had caused er great anger ee leadership of ukraine, he caused very sharp statements e and e of the secretary of the nsdc and the minister of Foreign Affairs and our ministry of Foreign Affairs e where they sharply said that ukraine does not trade territories and that is all right they expressed the absolutely correct and just constitutional doctrine of ukraine e i am against such kind of harassment, but lets now look at it from the other side , it was a conference in norway, where there was, uh, they are both norwegians, and jensen and stoltenberg, where they were present, and at the conference, i will quote uh, sean jensen stated that i believe that one of the solutions for ukraine could be to give up the territory and obtain membership in nato instead, but he emphasized first that ukraine must be a member of nato, that ukraine must decide everything by itself and that this is one of the options that may be faced ukraine, moreover, here i have the text of his statement for this norwegian newspaper, not verdengang, where he said that on the question of whether nato believes that ukraine should cede territory, he stated that the issue of territorial concessions in favor of russia is raised by others, that is not too much. In this way, we must very calmly oppose the statement of the official, uh , his rank is the ranks, you know yarmak, the throne