, it seems to me to be the right position, but the positive thing is that it cannot ignore the fact that it is a member of the alliance of the northern and Railway Alliance and er here er i think that putin has little chance of any er potential er pluses because what can they agree with er turkey about the fact that they will restore ammonia a wire that goes through the territory of ukraine, where mine is not, they will not be able to agree that the russian ships will be unhindered to go across the bosphorus until theoretically it is possible to agree, but uh, you showed uh, uh, uh, all of our uh , uh, babies, uh, who now very clearly and clearly demonstrated that you can normally lift your nose up, but you can walk with this nose behind the cruiser moscow and quite realistically, this time they used 400 kg of explosives, the next one will be 800 and the hole under the waterline will not be one and a half by two, but it will be such that this trough will go to the bottom, so of course you can there to wave their hands and talk about some things, but they are limited to the means that are available in ukraine today, and let them agree on anything if it is beneficial to both parties. But if it is not beneficial to ukraine, we will not participate in this , and i still cannot find out about the earth agreement and the corridor itself what is the problem of carrying these dry cargo ships through the territorial waters of bulgaria and romania, which today belongs to the alliance . By the way, they can safely ensure the passage of these ships all the way to odessa or izmail, here again the question is political the will of which, to the great regret of our western partners, is not yet visible, because if we could even imagine that two american or british frigates entered the black sea and became, as they say, anchored, well, what else can we talk about in the context of some threats to e shipping. This was a very clear demonstration of russia where the limits of its insolent desires end. We have never seen anything like an attack on a merchant ship by these inadequate Russian Military personnel. So russia is behaving like a typical pirate somewhere near somalia and in the black sea well, of course, in this situation, the lack of an adequate reaction of these frigates and the United States of america, Great Britain in the black sea allows russian propagandists to talk on the air about the fact that they will destroy the entire Port Infrastructure of ukraine for what they say that grain corridor in general , we will hear and see how it happens in the studio of olga skabieva, we will not look here , it is necessary to simply destroy the entire Port Infrastructure of ukraine, it starts there ilyichevsk yuzhnoy odesa, everything is necessary for the danube port all this will destroy the city of odessa, while the turkish mass media actively reports that in the near future putin will go to turkey , it seems that the information is confirmed to be absorbed. We plan to destroy all the ports. We would have done so a long time ago. There are simply no words to comment on skopje and the guests who visit it, but the world is yours. Did he make a mistake last year . When i entered into this socalled grain agreement, because it is, well, a disagreement , its not an international agreement, its an agreement with the United Nations and russia and turkey on one side, and the United Nations of ukraine and turkey on the other, but in principle, this is an agreement that was concluded or an agreement which was concluded solely under the blackmail of the russian federation, no, no, because all the parties wanted to conclude it exactly in such a format, in such proportions. It means this agreement in uh, there are three signatories, there are three signatories , how to explain it in the language of diplomacy, what it it was an agreement, an agreement under blackmail, mr. Sergey, you know very often, the important background is the political background, and remember how the secretary general of nato reacted to this, how he spoke about the need to help countries that are starving in africa. And so and so and so and so, that is, its up to you to say that uh , we uh, we dont want and dont hear it from our side , it would probably be politically and diplomatically wrong, we didnt sign an agreement with russia , we have our own practical interest in order for such an agreement to function we are on this we make a lot of money at the same time, i think that in this case it has justified itself, another thing is that now russia puts a bunch of demands there that are completely inadequate as usual and thinks that we will meet these demands accordingly, we do not want a normal , more or less functioning agreement, although to say that it functioned normally. This is also a big creative exaggeration. Well, there is no need. We will agree on a different way. How to get out of this situation . Grain because the sea route is the cheapest, it is through the sea to other ports through transshipment, it is more expensive, but the positive thing is that it does not remove the problem, that is, if there is no agreement, we are looking for other ways to realize our interests and we will achieve them, the only thing that is needed to really ensure this to counteract those barbaric ee attacks on our ee black sea and danube ports, and the best best the best form of ee defense is an attack. I think that these same kids about whom you and i have already talked more than once today are a good argument in favor of that that if you are so, then so are we, and here, in fact, there are no doubts about the legality of such a position. I think there is no need to search. 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Meanwhile, poland promises to provide an adequate response to possible provocations by private military of the wagner company, which is now located in all poland, the minister of defense Mariusz Blaszczak said that our position is clear that the allies are ready to immediately respond to any aggression, every piece of the polish Union Territory will to defend ourselves with full determination in warsaw yesterday there was a military parade in the great military parade now we will watch a fragment of this parade and then we will continue our conversation , it is a great day to show our strength show that we have built a powerful armed forces that will effectively protect our borders without hesitation show that poland has become an important player on the International Stage now there is not a Single Person who does not think about security and this show in a certain way shows that we will cope in case something happens so i i am positively surprised. So the poles made it clear to the russians that they have an army and a modern army that will respond in case of any provocations from belarus or russia. According to you, mr. Volodymyr, how likely is it that the russians will provoke a war from poland . And or lets say there, well, some uhuh miniwine in order to then enter into some negotiations with the North Atlantic Alliance well, i dont believe sergey such a prospect for one simple reason, well, it means that uhuh then russia has to uhuh transfer part of its troops and which she lacks so much from the ukrainian front to the polish front, well, this is first of all, and secondly, the very idea of an attack on poland on poland, russia or belarus declare war on nato, well, well, i understand that they are all out the limit of common sense is that dog putin, but still, but there are some limits to this stupidity, which does not allow us to do absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous provocations, and attempts to sneak across the border of some thousands of regulars there refugees. Yes, there are some possible flights some helicopters with balloons this other yes and war no well because there is nothing and the main thing is the political consequences of such a step for russia and belarus will be catastrophic therefore there can be no further provocation here and provocation is what lives on moscow throughout its existence, but now , unfortunately, plays the role of the belarusian father in all of this. So i do not think that it is serious that the poles are raising a certain degree, it is right that they should show that poland is ready for domestic political work that there is something to answer in poland, but believe me, well, repeat, you have to be the last one, but no , because you have to announce, or without announcing, that it will end in a complete and quick defeat of any troops who will do this, so it creates for both father and putin another additional, well, in fact, catastrophic consequences, the minister of defense of the republic of belarus and tarkhrenin, the same bastard who was an accomplice and remains an accomplice in russia s attack on ukraine by belarus that we remember as uh the 24th or before on february 24, the 22nd of this year, a scumbag talked with a different person and explained to our minister of defense that no not a Single Person will step from the territory of belarus to the territory of ukraine. So this scumbag spoke at the 11th International Security conference or well, i dont know if it can be called a security it is obvious for russia, the security conference in moscow said that the possibility of a direct military conflict with nato in the future is simply obvious, lets hear what the hell he said. He said that there are Coalition Forces in the national in the Strategic Planning documents of the western countries, the adversaries are openly called today, it is russia , china and the countrys union house, in particular, belarus. Well, he says that this is just hmmm, a probable scenario for the future. Today , the Chinese Defense minister flew to belarus. Yesterday he was in moscow. How much is that . What they are doing and what they are articulating to the extent that it can find an adequate response in the west , it is clear that the poles have pushed their troops under the border and we know that lithuania will close two checkpoints from belarus and the baltic countries are also considering the possibility of closing the border with belarus, what else can the west do to prevent even the attempts of lukashenka and putin to go in the direction of the west. Im sorry, i think that the bastard has the right to say all kinds of crap well, because well, what you quoted him i read it too i express all of these in a different way than as a province, well, no, its impossible not to name them, ive already said why , but, uh, for moscow, for minsk , uh, an external threat is needed, well, this is one of the scraps of uh, muscovy that is all around uh they want to take over happy russia that lives beautifully she has everything , she is the best in the world, everyone just prospers and so on and so, uh, this damned evil west wants to break it all , well, now belarus has joined this delusion , uh, object, so to speak, everyone is uh, shitty well, there is no other way to say it is the internal audience, these are the boys you just showed who are listening to all this nonsense and uh , they have to feed themselves before going to die. By the way, recently i was simply shocked by one opinion expressed by one of the popular russian bloggers who wrote that , well, listen, we must rethink ours participation in the svu, i think with interest, what will be interesting next . I read on. And he says we need to look at those who are now russians in their 30s and 40s. This is already the same as he writes. Makes an absolutely amazing conclusion. That is why we need to prepare children for war, that is exactly what it seems to me that all these things are aimed at, all the speeches of all these trainings and others like them when they speak to schoolchildren and tell them that they need to prepare for death because it is different this scumbag is not works, and actually what they are doing now is the same belarussian. By the way, one of the possible options for replenishing their troops disguised under, as they say, a different flag, but when the question of the cut becomes when there is no one to plug the feeders, then i absolutely do not have such an option exclude, i did not for nothing mention the minister of defense of china and the shanfu who arrived in belarus on a visit. To saudi arabia regarding mir zelenskyis formula, the same head of the Foreign Ministry of denmark, larslo karasimussen, says that china should take a clearer position towards ukraine. In my opinion, he said that china should take a stronger position. Putin does not listen to european leaders, but he is definitely influenced by the position therefore, china should speak out more loudly. How would you characterize chinas position now, because mr. Ligui came to the saudi right to jeddah and in ukraine they said oh, its great news that the chinese have joined these big negotiations but we see that beijing continues to play with the russian federation, because they had a joint expedition by ships to alaska, now we see the minister of defense of belarus and russia, and against the background of ligueis visit to gd, it looks like the entire defense is a machine of china after all after all, the leader of this machine is coming, he is not coming to ukraine to support ukraine, but to belarus in russia. Well, you know about j, where i already said then that you should not exaggerate the very fact of the arrival of a chinese representative to this forum. You see something in us uh, very often, the form is along the shore, well, with he came to the city, listened to the posies and left, yes, formally, it is good, but did he change his position, the same thing, we now have, in the case of this minister of defense, and the calls again from china will only be to russia when china is going to hurt a little bit and you know i am very happy to say that the United States of america is starting to hurt china a little bit, i mean the decision that china will no longer receive what it needs technological curiosities, new technologies , that is, everything that is vital to him necessary, so the chinese economy will gradually but unceasingly feel this , moreover, some very significant, important investors have begun to withdraw their capital from china. It will cost them very, very dearly in the literal sense of the word, but then it is possible that they will Start Talking to putin in another language , so far it does not hurt or not very much, but we have what the chinese minister of defense he does not come to ukraine to help ukrainians, but he comes to belarus to help russias ally. So this all fits into the ordinary logic of people who trade principles, trade values, but they will have to answer to the final bill later why did they act in this way . I think that the answer to them will be quite difficult, because the aggressor will still have to pay for the help of the peace formula that the ukrainian side talks about and the peace formula that they call volodymyr zelenskyi. In principle, it is a formula for defeat for russia because the fact that the peace plan or peace talks can be from ukraine only in case of the withdrawal of Russian Troops from the territory of ukraine and this means that the withdrawal of Russian Troops from ukraine will mean for putin his collapse, that is, well is this the formula for the collapse of putins regime, or is it yours, or should we still promote the topic of putins defeat formula, or is the very word defeat in putins context causing certain reservations in the west, that is, the west wants russia to leave ukraine, but thats uh such a total defeat that putin can suffer after withdrawing his troops from the territory of ukraine, and yet the west is not ready for this because and what will happen next with russia, what will happen to the Nuclear Button and who will this Nuclear Button go to . And what will happen in general, whether or not russia will divide there on individual republics or countries, what do you say about this puzzle . You are right, the formula of many western politicians is very simple the victory of ukraine and not the defeat of russia, this is cynicism at its highest manifestation, so to speak, but it is a fact and we have and we we even have people in the Us Administration who have been engaged in this cynicism since the beginning of a largescale war, and we even know their names, this is mr. Sullivan, and at least, he is, so to speak, a colleague in this shop uh, the director of the cia, burns, both great experts in quotation marks of the russian federation, who still cannot understand in any way, although uh , they studied theoretically and worked practically, that uh , this country cannot be made democratic by definition, but they must have written some scientific papers somewhere thats all believed and still believe, but it affects politics, including that of the United States of america, fortunately, there are such leaders, truly leaders, as secretary of state winken and defense minister austin, who clearly take care of what is needed in the National Interests of the usa, but this is a struggle and this struggle is going on quite seriously and this is only the top of all these two groups, which in fact are growing down there with numerous assistants, advisers and everything else. So this is not a big pity for the reality of our time and what isnt it the same in germany, arent there several leaders of the leaders of even the Political Parties of the coalition who believe that russia should be reconciled at the expense of ukraine , including yes, now something is demonstrating certain leadership qualities, but from time to time they hide again behind the United States of america, they will give there and we go , they will give missiles, we will give and so on and so on. This is our blood. But for them, this theory is what they think about maybe we will still come to an agreement with putin, so unfortunately the situation in this regard is, in my opinion, quite sad because instead of giving everything and immediately they give us a teaspoon, mr. Volodymyr, mr. Volodymyr, we still have a very short time, we dont have much time left what to expect from me volodymyr you can hear us yes we you unfortunately we we we we unfortunately we cant hear you mr. Volodymyr thats why i want to thank you for participating in the program unfortunately unfortunately something is wrong with us i apologize thank you mr. Volodymyr it was volodymyr ogrysko, a politician diplomat, minister of Foreign Affairs of ukraine in 20072009, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms for those who are currently watching us on youtube. Let me remind you that we are conducting a survey. We are asking you this today. Ukraines accession to nato uh, we have two minutes left before the end of the broadcast, you can still vote in this poll, please vote because it is important for us to know your opinion uh, at this moment, 91 voted uh yes of those people who took part in the vote, no, 7 and 2 have their own opinion, which they leave in their e in the comments under this video. Thank you for writing. Thank you for sharing your and your thoughts. 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To my relatives good evening good evening on the air of the bbc from ukraine live from london i am yevgenia shadlovskaya and today in the episode we will talk about the espionage scandal in britain three foreigners were arrested they are suspected of espionage for russia they were indicted as it became known to the bbc in britain three people were arrested whose suspected of espionage for russia, they were detained in february, since then they have been in custody, all three suspects are bulgarian citizens, they were in britain, lived in the suburbs for many years they changed their addresses several times, they were