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On espresso, the war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians, victories and losses, analysis and forecasts, politics and geopolitics Serhii Rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this people who have information and shape Public Opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the verdict program Serhiy Rudenko from monday to friday at 20 00, repeat at 12 10 dear friends, we are back on the air and we already have guests rym mazyubina, ukrainian actress , tv presenter, public figure and yevgenia kirsanova, an actress from kherson, they are in lviv today because tomorrow the play will be shown, you cant stay in such brackets , that is, as a choice what to do this is a play i understand based on real stories stories of real people evgenia kirsanova tells her own story about how she left occupied kherson for 72 days arrived under Russian Occupation and this trip could have ended very sadly, fortunately, we are glad that you managed to pass this filtering , uh, which is organized by these damn muscovites , we welcome you to our air, actually tell us more about this performance, what kind of performance is this, this is a documentary performance, this is real the story of uninvented and the value of this particular performance is that the documentary theater already exists in ukraine, especially actively since the 14th year, but the value here is that these are not other peoples stories, not someones stories. It is the own stories of the actors of the theater, i am the only one telling not my own story, but this is also the story of an employee of the theater she is the Deputy Director yulia donchak, at the beginning we took yevgenia reznichenko, a young director, uh, he took the play, we read this play for two days, i understood that it is very far from reality, and in every break the actors told such painful stories and someone had such an idea. Lets go, thats what we talk about and tell. Yevgeny sat down with a dictaphone for 9 hours and recorded monologues with stops with valerian flowers with tears and then through these nine hours, ksenia shvets , the director, composed this material. And in fact, such a performance was created , which is what its called. They dont immediately find the strength to tell and you have to live your story every time , tell it to our viewers and actually , how do you find the strength to live that moment of occupation and departure from the occupation all the time well, when we started working, in general, we are like rome she said, they took another play, and then when we started telling our story, at that moment i tried not to mention it, its just september, the month of last september, we left in may. Our story is such that we were able to. We didnt have our own transport. We were looking for someone to go with, but we found it. We drove once and didnt miss it because of a snowdrift. We stood there all day. We drove a second time and didnt miss it again. Through the villages there on davids bridge. We went there where there was not a single column, but we drove to a certain village where there was a checkpoint where they checked everything and stood there. There were a lot of different soldiers there. They changed a lot, but they interrogated us, the people of dnipro found a photo from the rally in my phone, they took us out of the car with our things and said that you had already arrived at that time , a child was sitting in my car with strangers because we were just driving this family was leaving like this still a child was with cerebral palsy, you also went through all these tests together with us, they questioned us, why did you go to rallies, they said that you threw molotov cocktails and you were paid, and you shot with automatic weapons, and uh, they talk to us in russian and you are forbidden мы we tried well, we got in touch we tried to tell that it wasnt true that of course we lied that we went out once and its such a random photo because you dont know what to say at this time when well i had thoughts only about the child what should i do from i didnt even think about it. Well, its so scary for yourself and for your child. This questioning lasted for 3. 5 hours. They told us how nice it was in donetsk and how the u. S. Army was shelling. Well, thats all a story about 8 years ago. Its been nine. And then he said, well. It was with my mother, i wont say it, but he said well, how much do you estimate your flight there uhu and then my husband well, its him later , ill say no, ill take a breath, well, they took money from us, and you know, its banal, they took only uah 3000 from us , that is they valued your life at 3,000 hryvnias, that s all. Well, until that moment, they took us away documents, all of us, we were without anything, but they returned the documents to us and said so, well, clean the phone and thats all. We didnt leave, we went to that village, spent the night there and left again and again. Snigurivka was already closed. At that moment, they didnt allow us there, and we returned to kherson and closed the exit from the first of may. In general, we developed a connection. Thats all television of course they were even earlier, but for three days from the first to the third of may, we had no contact with the outside world at all, and in kherson we were always happy when we heard explosions on the outskirts, because we knew that they were coming to us, and at that time there was complete silence and people was in such an information vacuum, but then communication began to break through and of course the first thing is that it is as it was. Well, we waited and after 10 days they called us, we found other carriers. Well , it was just people taking them out. They went back and forth and she said that we will to leave and we went to davydov brid and we did not arrive again that day they did not let anyone through and the very next day we were able to leave through davydov brid well , they had already released the release, they were counting the cars, they released 200 cars each and fortunately we were in we arrived at the first colony, and they released the next column about 2 hours later, and they were hit. They came under fire, but then , thank god, there were no victims. Well , there were cars, and well, they were injured. Well, from the fifth attempt, starting from april, in may, we were able to leave, so uh, these stories you tell during the performance even now i saw you for a second of tears then you mastered yourself already during this performance again people who are again tears and again the restitching of all this, we are all sitting on the stage and we hear the story of each other and already nights, er, at different moments of this confession, because she even said so , there are always tears, always er, its difficult, but its necessary, its necessary for the audience, and these are the testimonies that we say that they must be used later in the hague this and this this documentary, documentary, all the stories are in the fact that there is nothing there, there is nothing, there is nothing , there is invented, embellished, on the contrary , you could talk about each story separately in order to make a play and make a movie, we have five of these stories , uh, well, thats all arranged and so and so this tour with us that started from mykolaiv then kropyvnytskyi cherkasy kyivzhytomyr ivanofrankivsk and actually lviv and it s the day of the move and i dont know how zhenyas is , its like the file on that day of the move is being removed out of my head and then the day of the performance and its as if i didnt play yesterday, as if all this didnt happen to me, then you turn on so quickly and go, because in fact , if you really constantly accumulate everything in yourself like that, well, you can go crazy evgenia, you are an actress and besides, you didnt play plays based on your own stories. In our country, on the contrary, about a year before, we staged a play that was also a documentary document of immigrants from donbas. You dont live in kherson like now we live in kryvyi rih, my parents are there, we moved there, we stay there, but the kherson theater is working. We are going to this play. We are all coming from different places. Workshops that were all occupied in kherson and now they continue to work in kherson in the theater in the shelters, we have a stage there and all of our workers are volunteers now both in kherson and outside it or with this performance you went abroad because its one thing to tell ukrainians that one way or another of course, people try to somehow distance themselves from the war, because it is also 365 days and 24 at 7 00 a. M. You can be crazy about it, too. But was there not an idea to present this play to a foreign audience . There were these thoughts, and i, a friend in berlin, asked and we sent the video material. But hmm, even this tour in ukraine we managed to do it only because it was supported by the Ukrainian Cultural fund, because the funding of theaters is now being reduced, because the logistics are very difficult to calculate, because we had an air raid in zhytomyr at every performance it ended before the 18th even already the 18th was supposed to start the 18th 0 7 ended the air alarm was interrupting us we are already there you know how we throw bets or i would monologues the following is already so absurd but really when you say that is not enough what a dramatic story, and here is the exit of every phone outside the window and also the announcement of the broadcast of the theater , attention, attention, leave the premises of the theater and you still continue to play as if you do not notice any of this, that is hmm, but there are cities where performances had to be stopped, for example in in mykolaiv, we really didnt finish a piece there, one of the finals, we didnt make it a little bit, but its dangerous there and everywhere now, its dangerous everywhere and todays news from kherson, of course, they make it impossible for us to go to kherson now. We wanted to, of course, but thats all the funding. The translation is not even in slides, we now have such a simplified, cheapened version of the play of performances in europe, here are the actors and here is the screen, and you still look at the screen because you read the text, but you lose this acting here, when its monologues , of course you need headphones with sound for this. And this is the most expensive simultaneous translation that exists in theater projects. 80,000 together with the community but you were already in kherson , we were in december, we traveled after the deoccupation. Yes, we are in december , you know, now people are returning to kherson , they are returning er because it is difficult to find somewhere when you have a home there essay we of course we are waiting for us. We will have a place to return for now. Well, everything is fine with our apartment, but people are still coming back and there are already more people there like this time of occupation and all this. History has changed the people of kherson. I think she showed the world, well, only in ukraine, that ukraine is in kherson, because we were at the rally with my husband from the first day, and we went there from march 5. The rallies started there, then there was no communication. They wanted to walk from different areas, the ukrainian reaction, of course, you know, i talk about it in the play because it was my feeling that it seemed to me that well, they see that people do not want to see them here, and well, everything is closed and they will just go and see that well, they are here were not needed, and they were shocked by such a large number of people, because the first days they were confused. Well, in general , they did not know what they were shooting, they were shooting in the air, but you know, no one dispersed , on the contrary , they came closer to them, shouted and walked. With some kind of weapon, everyone just came out with flags and placards of the sts with banners and constantly told them , but they constantly changed. When it all started, there were just military men there, there were many buryats, and then when the riot police arrived, then they started to disperse people and persecute them harshly to remove from the transport those who were traveling from the smithing and were already taken to the basement. Well, they shot and threw these grenades, what were we, and yet you understood the danger that your participation in these actions carries , well, you know. Well, we left the child at home and in two words, we ourselves are not from kherson, but we live there, i have lived there for 17 years, we have no relatives there , no grandmothers, and well, we couldnt just leave, i understood everything but i gave instructions to my son, they say that there if there is something to hide everything but my husband and i went alone, i didnt want to leave him either, just like he didnt want to leave me , but we had to go. Well, it was such a thirst then. Its one thing to look at these stories or read them somewhere on social networks, or watch them on tv screens or listening to the radio is another matter when you see a real person who tells his real story, how do these stories come about, depending on the region in which you tell this story, and we had premiere screenings in kyiv, the premiere was planned for october 12, but because of the fact that on october 10, there were flights around kyiv, and it was in the block from the Lesya Ukrainka theater , where we actually rehearsed and on the basis of the theater of the chamber stage, we produced, for example, we canceled the premiere, we played in the constellation on the 14th , and then again in kyiv, now another audience is going on this tour. Then we had another one the trip is only to odesa and kropyvnytskyi, and this tour is free entry only through registration and there are a lot of them. Especially here in cherkasy, we had 80 of them these are people, they were immigrants, and they were people who told their stories of leaving from donetsk, from luhansk, from in the 14th year and we, after every performance, what are we doing, the discussion people stay, and its not even what they tell us about us, but they are telling their stories, if you turn on the recorders there, you can type already for this tour and material for another performance, people are crying, people they also tell about the horrors of the bombing of these departures, there were no free transporters, zhenichka says they are not from the show, they say we found people who agreed to take us out for uah 3,000 and it was very cheap for uah 10,000 each. All this is already a horror, some n 10 km and queues, someone, some information in the queue, who went there, everyone is deployed, they are going there, then it was complete despair, complete lack of information, and thats just on some on some on Guardian Angels you hope and go somewhere really only tears only tears and silence is like that in some moments we are in tension we understand that there is not a single indifferent person and how strange it is one girl says i go to such a Psychological Group and we are there e displaced persons tell their stories about life in the occupation and she says i know many stories , but when it is from the stage, it is different e people need to speak out people need because we are here this is the blocking of those who did not survive tell me for three minutes your problem does not concern me, but enough so far, i really wanted us to go to my native transcarpathia and there in every square and in every school and and and and well no no no not in every house it was shown because well it s impossible when there is a fire in your house you dont film it on your mobile phone your phone, you are putting out this fire because it will spread, it will spread. We were in frankivsk, and on that very day the arrival was like that. Well , how is it all here . Humanity and empathy cannot be lost and sympathy for each other and, of course, the theater this theater does a lot , but there are other ukrainian actors on the other side, this is the story of this week about the young actor hleb mykhailichenko, who allegedly was such a ukrainian activist. And now he found himself in russia, opening some kind of film school. How should we react to such a story . Moreover, if you look at it, i know a little about this inner kitchen , for example, of educational institutions in ukraine, where they prepare theater people , so to speak, and there are not so many of those schools. For the most part, they used to focus on russian and the big theater in vdik, etc. , and now what should we do with such slobs mykhailichenka lesichka and we will remember the maidan and the arrested students, among whom was your brother, and when the master of the course said, i am out of politics to the children of his students, master acting course is not just that you are their father for four or five years, you are everything for them, you are their guru, you are their god, and when the master knows that these children are 18 and they have served 15 years in prison and he is suspended and says its not mine problems, i did not send them to the maidan, and i am out of politics , they are very young, they have their whole lives ahead of them. Yes, i know they will leave in 15 years and continue their lives. And when it starts with a master, because we do not hide that there are masters who lead about the ukrainian position from the first and they say i didnt study under karpenko, but i had dmytro semenovych tchaikovsky, who said you can become an actor, a director or not, but you must become good people and about ukraine. When you are in such conditions well, now i am surprised because this gleb traveled with concerts to military units, so now i wonder if there were no flights to those military units, was he not also a gunner by the way, and i too was shocked by this story why have you been sitting here so long . Hmm, one of the colleagues of this gleb zhenechka can tell about it, her fellow student who, uh, we just dont have much time, theres only a minute left, so damir , he worked in russia, but before the fullscale war, he came for something returned to ukraine and worked in mariupol theater and the day before the flight to the theater, he left like this, there are always some traces that indicate how a person is , look at the past. Thank you very much for this conversation. Remezyubina and yevgenia kirsanova were with us today. You cant stay in lviv, it will be in the zankovetska theater , so, first of all, you cant survive this story, dear friends, there will be more news, stay with us, and then we will continue to talk about the economy of ukraine and russia. 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