Journalist during the investigation about odesa military commissar yevhen borisov, who allegedly became quite rich during the war and, in particular, bought a villa in spain. After the publication of this story the president ordered an inspection of the military commissions, later called the results disappointing, the inspection reveals many abuses that are frankly disgusting, for example, the other day, the military liaison was informed of the suspicion that he brutally beat a subordinate, now he faces up to 12 years in prison, it was established that the head of the district tcc had a personal dislike for the victim because he openly spoke about various conflict situations that existed in the team, in order to cover the mouth of a subordinate soldier, he decided to conduct educational work, he was surrounded and after a verbal altercation began a similar story happened in the rivne region and the media got these shots of the beating. Later, the Lieutenant Colonel and the colonel of the local military commissar told the dbr that they learned that the driver of the Rifle Company of one of the military units was planning to report their violation during the service. They allegedly decided not to let this happen and beat the man who you are blind , what are you fucking . And this is transcarpathia, the military commissar of one of the districts, who was born and studied on the territory of russia, allegedly forced soldiers to build him an estate in now if you are interested in the cases, sign up for the password, please, and i will ask again. Where do you work . Later, the Law Enforcement officers gave details. During the search, they found three and a half thousand us dollars in his possession, paraphernalia of the Russian Federation , clothes with the emblems of the ussr and the Russian Federation, an officers certificate of the ussr ministry of defense, as well as cockade badges and a st. Georges ribbon in the ministry of internal affairs also reported on the searches of dnipropetrovsk by the troops, and they also accuse him of illegal enrichment, so according to the ministry of internal affairs, during martial law, he purchased property worth 350,000, and issued several cars for his father, and most often the facts are revealed as military commissars in various regions allegedly helped men avoid mobilization or go abroad, of course, for money, here are examples of such cases in zaporizhzhia , the dbr exposed the military commissar who allegedly organized an enrichment scheme for his entourage and helped hide from the court as a criminal authority in kyiv region , according to investigators, an official of the military commissariat helped evaders to illegally travel abroad, a similar situation in the kramatorsk district, there, a military commissar from Donetsk Region in cherkasy is suspected of the scheme oblast employee of the military commissariat for 10,000. Saved men from serving in the army, they also say that the same officers were kidnapped in vinnytsia and bukovina, in most of the military commissaries who were kidnapped by Law Enforcement officers , there is a threat of restriction of freedom. His accomplices were charged with suspicion. This is reported by the office of the prosecutor general roksolana bychay , volodymyr pavtov, radio svoboda. Military commissars will be discussed further on our air has already joined kyrylo of the season, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, journalists, political scientist good evening good evening, i am glad to see you and hear each others wings. A party is not a political party, not a makhno gang, although we miss those times of the beginning of the great invasion, when horizontal connections worked, thats why we have a reinforced concrete order in every brigade, in every battalion there is staff schedule, where positions are obtained according to the rank, who is a soldier, even in a city, it is at least a major, i have not seen captains , a major or a Lieutenant Colonel or a colonel, and now he is being sent to the front line, and as a major or Lieutenant Colonel, he receives a position , accordingly, he will not be in the trenches he will not stand with us, he will not dig a dugout, he will not crawl in the mud, he will go to the headquarters, at least as a battalion commander, or maybe to the Brigade Headquarters , for example, as the head of the headquarters or as the brigade commander, that is, he will go to the appropriate position according to his rank and shout it doesnt work for the privates, its impossible to branch out into the privates, its necessary to make the major a captain after a disciplinary investigation, then to the senior lieutenants, then to the lieutenants, then to the lieutenants. That is, it is a very long time, that is, he will go with his rank to us. And that we are fighting. I am used to trusting my commanders. The most important thing is that you had a normal commander, so that he wouldnt throw you on a stupid assault, so that he would protect the personnel , so that he would care about what the soldiers live. He has no combat experience at all, he has some kind of special attitude towards soldiers , something, i very much doubt he will protect us , he will make good strategic and tactical decisions, i very much doubt he has no combat experience, lack of relevant skills, nothing, but it could also be a perspective of suspicion or there are prospects and what are there and so on. Well, yes , but this is not a question for the military, it is a question for Law Enforcement agencies, that is, the front as a punishment, so there is no such thing. I am correct , i am not a criminal. Volunteers at the beginning of the great invasion to protect their family. It is honor, dignity, yes, hard work, it is the risk of many, we have lost someone wounded, someone on the shield has already been returned. But it was our choice, this is not a punishment. оtбросы some no, it is possible to send to the front those who are bored with civilians, like the guy who recently cut down in kyiv, it is dug trenches, clean airfields , there is a lot of work, some can and how the fighters can take place, and maybe not, well send no commanders like that, let ours grow, let them grow from good soldiers, you will be a platoon commander, from a good agreement, you will have comrades from a good company, you will have a combatant who came to all this, who knows how to fight, how to work at the front. These are the kind of people we need, so that they have combat experience to understand what and how to throw a cabinet officer at us, especially a penalty officer as a commander. God forbid such a commander, tell us about the wings, and in general, they are watching at the front for all these revelations , which reports on which the state bureau of investigation reports, how do they react at the front to stories like these we just retold in the plot well, of course we monitor if you go to the mink where is starlinka internet if you go to the base gives the internet of course we monitor the news well what is happening in the country is very important it is very disturbing and what is the attitude well here you fight uh when you went to the second line you get 30,000 when on well few people spend a whole month on zero then you get 100 and here i see that someone is sitting in the office for ten bucks someone this is very, very stupid. Then i have a question for you. And how do you, as a military man, see the reform of the Territorial Centers of the staffing of the same military commissions . You must have heard that when these highprofile stories began to appear, one by one, Volodymyr Zelenskyi was the first to suggest that we send military commissions. To the front then they started talking about the reform of the military commissars, what should it look like then . You set such a task that this one is probably not reasonable. It seems to me that good military commissars would be boys from the front, someone got injuries, someone is of limited use, now they would be good military commanders because, well, they saw it, they understand, they didnt send a boy with epilepsy to the military unit like in odesa, because i know how it ends, what is the risk, that is, there were more. Of course, thats what you fought for i was injured this does not automatically make you an honest and worthy person, but there are some chances of that, you, me, on the military, corruption, excess of authority , and from your point of view, did it arise and intensify only now against the background of the war, or is it in fact, it was always like that, they just didnt Pay Attention to it, it was always just not paid attention to by the public, because , well, what is an army . Why is it needed . Where are these military commissars , where are these military commissars, well, it didnt bother anyone in particular. The military is connected with the war, the publics attention is very focused and everything is watched and the press raises questions , where did the military commissar get such a car from, where does he have a car at home in spain, and before that they turned a blind eye to it yes , who is there who intersects with this military commissar . And now it is forming almost like a new fairy tale of feudal lords as judges and prosecutors earlier and it attracts attention, in fact, these questions are i think 30 years ago, they were there just now, attention was paid to them and good what started to rake this somehow and what do you think was possible earlier, why earlier they did not Pay Attention, but only to the 16th and 17th months of the fullscale war in the dbr, not in the prosecutors office, i mean, is it some social cause that is causing this whole story, or simply in the leadership of the country , they saw that the reform is ripe and must be done regardless of what is happening there. I think that both factors work on the one hand, the state leadership noticed that it cannot be impossible to effectively fight with russia when we have the same diseases with corruption and this nepotism and in society there is a resonance why does someone go to fight, someone dies , someone gets injured, someone wants to mud there for weeks and someone is at war with his mothers family, earns well and becomes a dollar millionaire. Well, for you, the military, watch how the dbr there almost daily reports on the exposure of dishonest military commissions. For you , is this a sign that changes and reform have begun . For you, this is just a sign for now, just a demonstration, some kind of demonstration of change or reforms. No, this is not a demonstration, but this is not a reform either. They started to restore order. Reforms i thank you very much kirill of the season serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, journalists, political scientist, we talked about the reform of the military commissariats, which is probably long overdue, thank you very much well, he joins our broadcast on the same topic Roman Kostenko, peoples deputy of ukraine, faction, voice, secretary of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, roman, good evening. As far as i can see, good evening to you, this is such a more professional question, and in theory we know that the military headquarters or the Territorial Recruitment Centers are subordinate to the ground forces. Why dont i it is clear to a person that i am far from the army, why was the reform fixed or hung on the ministry of defense, because as you know , deputy minister Oleksandr Pavlyuk should deal with it. Well, because the armed forces of the land the troops join the armed forces. And in general, the policy regarding the armed forces is formed by the ministry of defense and the military commissariats are the closest to this, because when we talk about the military commissars, we are primarily talking about the mobilization of the country, and this is the most important thing, we understand that in we are our professional army now, well, in our Defense Forces are made up somewhere, maybe, well, i would say approximately 10 percent of the professional, well , maybe 20, eh, Everything Else these are mobilized and this is a big contribution of the military commissariats, and when we talk about the military commissariat, where a very long way which you need to go through, it is not only uh, you know, uh, the corruption we are talking about now, we are asking what is the right of military commissars, they are probably more associated with those people who walk the streets, take away and, lets say , act illegally, sometimes, uh, lets say, summonses are distributed at posts from which we must avoid there and other negative things, but thanks to them the country is standing and thanks to them , we are now thanks to the military committees. The problem is not only that someone is removed from the army, someone is given the opportunity to go abroad, there are a lot of problems with the military committees themselves, the fact that they were not ready for full mobilization, and it is in the conduct of this mobilization that we also now have a lot of experience, you know, there are elementary things when there i dont know. A sniper becomes a grenade launcher. A grenade launcher becomes a tank operator. And i am a tank operator. To deal with the ministry of defense and where possible, we as a Committee Also legislatively help to do this well, by the way, do you have an understanding of the committee or the ministry of defense, if you know, i have an understanding of what this should look like, what this completed reform should look like, maybe there is some model maybe ukraine takes an example from some country and how long this reform can last, well, look here, there are a lot of aspects directly in general, in mobilization, er, in general, we are now talking about the mobilization of people, yes, and what is the reform we are talking about the work of the entire institution, and it is sometimes no less important than the regular armed forces , and in the conditions of the fact that we are a country that cannot afford to have a large millionstrong army there, in peacetime, our army will be built precisely at the expense of the mob reserve. And this is right small countries with with small resources, they should probably have a good mobilization system, this is the strategy that we must pursue, that we must support, and mobilization is the mobilization of not only people, i will repeat once again, the mobilization of equipment is the mobilization of agriculture this is the mobilization of the economy, there is the mobilization of the entire country, there is the mobilization of its state bodies and all others under the waging of war under the waging of resistance to the aggressor, and each of these moments needs to be reformed separately so that we understand what, first of all, there should be an elementary register of people who have to enter the army so that there are no such mistakes , which, as i said, when one person has a military university of the same category and ideas , he generally takes a position that he has never held , even in our country at the beginning these problems were big we they could not be staffed properly and then yes, also, technically, who gives what to which part during the war, where does he go, therefore , starting from the registry, ending, uh, there , uh, because every soldier knows where during the war war, at what time should he come, every manager of an enterprise, whether public or private, he knows who will come to him to pick up what cars, what parts they will go , so that there is no such thing as we now go there , take what we see. Well, it can take a long time speak but it should this should be the most important one of the most important reforms in general, everything is good in our country. But what we are seeing now, these daily revelations or reporting on revelations and corruption , the excess of official powers by the military commissions, is evidence that the military leaders have really taken up the task and intend to bring this system to order. Is it just that the flames are still being extinguished . How do you see it . Look at all the evidence. Detention and then sending to the front is also a very debatable issue in general. Well, we just spoke with the military in front of you. He says that the military is categorically against you are punished. Listen, you are being accused there. Well, you can also ask about the fact that the accusation must be proven. But everyone already considers you a corrupt person, this can also be done quite easily with power, but if a person was sent to the front, this means for me now that there is no evidence against him, so if there was evidence against him, he would probably be in prison and if he goes to the front, its some showmanship. Im not saying that now without defending anyone, but for me, its just logic somewhere. If there is evidence, he should go to the front, he should go to prison, instead of telling the soldiers to defend the country, especially as they say it is correct that the colonel is unlikely to run there in the attack with blood, uh, to wash it off, thats why all these things that are happening now are more about the fight against corruption than about bringing order in general in the mobilization system, these are two uh, different uh, things, if they help each other, but bringing order to the tcc is what i am talking about this is one thing, and it is more important, because even under the conditions of some shallow corruption, life is the strategic activity of the entire state, and there must be concepts, and the fight against corruption is also an important spectrum that should almost complement this construction this new institution, at the expense of which the entire defense capability of our country will be built in the future , well, i heard you well now, another question , but on the same topic, you represent the committee of national security, defense and intelligence. Please tell me whether your committee has the authority to carry out inspections of military commissariats or, for example, process citizens complaints, because Oleksandr Pavlyuk is the deputy minister of defense, who is supposed to deal with the reform of military commissariats, he already reported, however, how many complaints were received from citizens to military commissariats well, of course, every citizen can write a citizens appeal to a member of parliament or to a committee, of course after that we respond or direct these requests or somehow respond through those military commissars or complained about or problem ideas if to our we have repeatedly called the leadership of the committee to us. Lets say yes, the department that deals with the tcc in the ground forces, well , lets call them military committees in the Old Fashioned way, and especially it was several times after such highprofile reports, you remember there. Someone was not taken like that there er, which was a highprofile case when the military commander summoned a person and he was there a month later or a week later , i dont remember er, a military serviceman er, ended up under a bahmut and died there on the magazine. We also analyzed it, it was also there er its a mistake. And so in general, we are talking about the reform about the creation of a setting, i say this again, this is a very important topic of creating a register of all conscripts, which when each unit will know who is serving in them and each soldier will know where he is conscripted during largescale military operations or in general during the conduct of course we control it and we periodically raise these topics. Why am i asking this because we , for example, our team we talked a lot its mainly odesa region odesa we talked with people with men with their wives, mothers, who, to put it mildly, were not quite legally taken to the military commissariat. Well, youve seen all these stories, when there are six or five people, uh, hunting down one man , stuffing him in the ear, taking him away, and we came across the fact that these people, these relatives they are afraid to speak because the men are either already studying somewhere or are already mobilized and they are afraid to complain because they are worried that this may somehow be reflected in the service of this man and the question arises where to complain so that it is er so that the complaint is actually considered but so that there was no reason for this a particularly negative attitude towards this man, first of all, i have a hotline for the ministry of defense that allows complaints to be made there. Anna was there. Such a question is generally an illegal question eh, that is, eh, lets say yes, Something Like that is directly to me, there are articles that do not allow people eh, lets say so, to be called eh directly , yes, they say that they have a Family Member health does not allow it, if all stages have been completed. Yes, here there may be something illegal there, or a summons has been served, or something along those lines. Of course , you need to deal with it, you need to complain about it, including Law Enforcement agencies , but the military commissars understand that they cannot call up a person who, for example, is not subject to mobilization if she at the same time, she gave all the evidence, but i say once again that there are violations and they must be dealt with, of course the hotline is working. If not, write the same appeals to the deputies and we will deal with it there as much as we can the initiative proposed by mr. Volodymyr zelenskyi when this topic and the exposure of the military commissars only began to gain public publicity Volodymyr Zelenskyi proposed the employees of the military commissars to the front and Wounded Soldiers who can no longer return to the battlefield due to their health to arrange to work in the military commissariat , is Roman Kostenko with us, they say that he is gone, i hope that he will appear in a minute or two and we will talk about this topic again. Today, we are talking about the reform of the military commissariat against the background of numerous reports from the dbr about the exposure of employees of military commissariats for bribes and for exceeding official powers, and we are asking the main question here has the real fight against corruption already begun and some first steps in the reform of military commissariats have begun . These are the changes. I urge you to subscribe to radio svobodas pages, like this broadcast in this way. As many people as possible will learn about us, support our work in this way. Well, Roman Kostenko has already rejoined our broadcast. I have a very short question. You said that if a person violated the law, his place is in prison and not at the front. But if we are talking about military commissariat employees who did not violate the law, Volodymyr Zelenskyi proposed to send them to the front as well, and instead appoint people who, for example, in view of health, they cannot return to the front of the military. Look, its all possible, and now our front depends very much on filling up with guys to help those who are with us, there are wounded, there are losses, of course, the main thing is that this in our country, no matter how many military commissars there are, they have done a great job, they have tasks that they have to perform. We should not put everyone under the same roof, that all military commissars are a wrong structure. To understand that this is a very big job and that this institution will be key in the army in the long run and we have to understand that whether it is possible to do so of course it is possible but of course we must approach this quite correctly so that we do not now collapse the entire mobilization so that all experienced military personnel will go to the front, but some of them will go with pleasure, because they also have a very serious job there. Lets say so and they will go to defend the country. Who will then defend our country quite seriously, this reform must be approached romana and you are personally surprised by the revelations that , at least for now, are being reported by the dbr, bribes, illegal enrichment, excess of powers are not surprising who knows, look, ive been in the army for 22 years. Who knows . Well, we really understood that there are some fishing towns of the military commissariat in the same odesa , where can we say where people earn money or whether there are bribers . Corruption of the military commissariat and who, of course, is it more where what does it give them . Maybe so, but once again i say this is a question specifically of the Law Enforcement agencies that have to deal with it, will it change if there is something to change people, i am not sure, it is necessary to create such conditions that would not allow them to corruption thank you very Roman Kostenko, peoples deputy, faction, voice of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, we talked about the reform of the military committees, the level of corruption in ukraine is currently the lowest , the minister of finance of ukraine , serhiy marchenko, said about this in an exclusive interview with radio svoboda, and corruption itself, according to him , is completely under public monitoring we talked about the budget what amount of International Aid is included in the budget for the next year and is this aid guaranteed about customs and tax why are there so many complaints about the work of these bodies, and of course about corruption, watch the full interview right after the svoboda life program on the svoboda radio channel on youtube, and i suggest you watch a fragment of this conversation right now. In ukraine, look at corruption. In ukraine, it is necessary to consider it from several levels. And i will say yes, i am already quite experienced for 20 years, which i understand the processes in this country. The level of corruption is currently the lowest, which is possible in some sectors it remained quite high, but in principle , in general, according to the system. Why did you draw such conclusions based on what experience . This is my feeling and understanding of the numbers, that is, corruption as a phenomenon is now completely under public monitoring. It is very difficult to do the things that yanukovychs period did, relatively speaking, in our country there is no enriched we dont have ministerial plows on which we have, uh, set the answers, can this be an argument . But the partners understand that the cleansing of the government system in ukraine cannot happen like this, you know. We said there that we do not have corruption , it does not exist, this is a process, and what, relatively speaking , public organizations do is publicize what is there so that the work of the same bodies can be obtained there others i do not give my effect certain certain with certain delays effect therefore it is normal and the partner this is how they understand it, they are ready to accept that we may have corruption because no one will say that we have a war and corruption is over because corruption may have moved to another to another format during the war Defense Sector i didnt say this numerous publications in the media investigation because there are questions about each, including the Defense Sector, unfortunately, you are often complained about corruption by international partners, well,