, lets know, you dont want to be disappointed, you dont need to be fascinated, the meeting fulfilled the tasks that the participants set before her the task of exchanging opinions, well. For us, it brought, well, more clearly articulated their position, more clearly for many who were not interested in the situation in ukraine, it became clear what and how is happening there and what in what direction does ukraine want to work, but again or not . Once again, because what i didnt say is that the main beneficiary, in my opinion, is not ukraine but saudi arabia, which initiated this meeting, which organized this meeting, which achieved such a wide representation. I am sure that our diplomats are on this worked in the direction, but this is largely the merit of saudi arabia, moreover , saudi arabia showed that it is engaged in solving european issues when it was the case that bazia was engaged in solving european issues too, if we were to rule this ourselves in kyiv. Is it somewhere here that it would definitely be so positive, and so we can talk about the fact that the meeting is a car. It can become important, but it can bring both positive and negative. For some reason, we forget about the negative, and the negative can be very strong and thats it what you said about the statement and the position of saudi arabia there is very clear for us, less or negative , moreover, i reinforce what you said , lets not forget that there are currently consultations with a security guarantee between ukraine and the United States and i am very afraid that we they will wring their hands there because somehow our Informational Society missed this information that passed, namely that the fullscale invasion of russia into ukraine took place with the consent of the United States at a meeting in november 2001, which the director of the cia held, it was agreed on certain modalities, in particular that it would not be a largescale invasion and the russians were destroyed, this is a special military operation that there will be no strikes on the territory of russia, because of this we are now stubbornly and regularly not given longrange weapons and express their opinion. As soon as we were somewhere in russia, the situation was very difficult. Thank you very much for your comment. Oleksandr samarskyi, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the republic of iran, 20102014 , Russian Research center, we talked about the results of the meeting of the advisers of the major powers in jedi. 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I congratulate you. Glory to ukraine , i am glad to see you. Volodymyr , thank you for joining. I want to ask you many questions to which i personally do not have the answers. I want to hear your opinion, but before we proceed to such a deeper analysis of what happened in jeddah, first my the question will be like this. Please tell me, it also seemed to you that this summit, uh, took place in some kind of mysterious mode, even last night when i was looking for direct conditions in order to cut to talk to you. I didnt find it this morning, i think ill wake up and read. One of the participants said something. There is no video. Well, you know , as usual, they are the same. Yes, some red pedestrians are arriving, guests are leaving , guests are just general shots. Very general plans. Please tell me what this kind of secrecy might be related to. It is something related to the countries of the middle east. Is it the same . It is related there. Well, for sure, yuriy. I think it is related to precisely what its not a summit itself, its when the leaders of the countries gather , when the president s, prime ministers come. Well, there. Maybe the minister of defense is there , but its, uh, if the head of state cant come, but here it was a meeting. Well, i think that here we warmed up the situation a little, as they say , and we already wanted a meeting from this meeting not a solution to all issues well, in diplomacy, highranking officials do not actually gather, but they are far from the level of the heads of state. Heads of state and government and no more. That is, it is Something Like that. Well, i would say about the masking of sentiments , the assessment of the situation on our part is definitely an effort to provide the information we need as much as possible for the representatives of this global cock, but well, it was hardly possible from the very beginning, i said that long before this meeting, what can we expect for some cardinal decisions , er, which ones actually er, under such circumstances and in such a format, it cannot be an exchange of ideas it is an opportunity to communicate at the suprabilateral level, which is very important because a large number of delegations are gathering in one place at once. So this platform is very, very convenient, but do not expect that it could give a result. Especially since we know the position of russia. It would be too naive to understand pavel volodymyr see in diplomatic circles, they say that saudi arabia could during this time also offer its own peace plan, that for it it was Something Like a springboard bridge, she could jump off. The final, with reference to sources, even wrote that the atmosphere at the summit in jeddi was a little different than at the summit, at the meeting. I apologize, the atmosphere at the meeting in jeddi was a little different than at the meeting in copenhagen in june, where there were almost twice as many representatives of the countries well, referring to the sources, the journalists of the wall street journal wrote now, i will quote our director, i even want him to show this graphic, this is a quote, the diplomats also noted that some disagreements that arose in copenhagen seem to have decreased during these negotiations, ukraine insisted that the main countries developing countries adopted zelenskyis peace plan , the basis of which is the demand that peace begin only after the complete withdrawal of russian troops, several developing countries declared at the time that they would not go for it but immediately ukraine and the leading developing countries were more interested in finding a consensus , a highranking european official stated that ukraine no longer insisted on accepting its peace plan, and other countries did not insist that kyiv abandon it; there was also no crossfire due to the demand of ukraine on the withdrawal of russian troops, according to two diplomats, ukraine did not insist on this issue, and developing countries did not question it, well, mr. Volodymyr , first of all, i will say that journalists when they give out such information referring to sources, there are cases when then there are refutations because it is false information , they apologize, uh, the tararam in the office of the president of ukraine already said that this is false information, but the world street journal itself did not deny it, that is, it did not refute this information. Please, considering your many years of experience, this could have happened to us at a meeting in life. Well, i will start from the beginning of your question. Ours jumped out the main thing is not to jump out like naked from hemp and in this sense i think that saudi arabia wants to jump out and become the center of the new er new political world player the center where possible er there are attempts to play some role as mediator, mediator, and so on. Well, i think that this is so far er projects er, judicial arabia is not a country that can claim to be er, at least for now , to be er mediator in the settlement of such e type and scale of conflicts is mm not hers yet, so to speak, the size, but it is very good that all the audits accepted this meeting. It was there, in this country , that such an exchange of views took place, and it will definitely have a positive impact on the International Image of this country, but i dont think that here we need to immediately talk about the fact that it is already rising to the level of, so to speak, the World Centers of the powers of intermediaries and so on and so forth. Its what journalists write. Unfortunately, i have to admit that there are different ones journalists are professionals who understand topics deeply, who take their time, who make generalizations and are journalists. Lets say analysts, and there are those, you know. Well, i call them sparrows who jump from one branch to another something there they peck at something, they peck at it and pass it off as journalism, well, thats the way it is, of course. There is also such a thing, and it can be and probably should be, but i dont think that we need to focus on it , that is, what could have really happened in saudi arabia, is it possible that some journalist came up to i asked someone from our delegation and something in the noisy hall where there were also quite a few representatives of other delegations. Maybe it will not rain. Maybe someone misunderstood something. Maybe Something Else and uttered some phrase. The phrase immediately turns into the opinion of an unnamed source and is broadcast. Well, it seems to me that it is soso, you know , sparrow journalism, which has nothing to do with serious things. These are haiku journalists who want to make a sensation about the position, then there it is again not really it is formulated even by advisers, it is formulated at the level of president s who rely on, say, the National Security and defense council, that is, on those bodies that are authorized to make such important decisions, and the president actually gives them the right to life and introduces them with his decrees. If we have and so on and so on, thats why it seems to me that its a little bit hyped here, as they say, journalists with a wolf and a joner, but life is like that. Well, i really want it to be a refutation, because if god forbid, it will turn out to be true i. E. What is it means that ukraine then renounces what it would renounce what it has always said, that is, it renounces its ukrainian plan for the peace plan and i really dont want it to be, but lets already, uh, you already started talking a little about the role of saudi arabia in i read one more thought about this Peace Process yesterday evening, that this meeting in the era of the council and in jinda can be successful precisely because of the position of the leadership of this country and there. Interests. Do you think this can be beneficial . Well, probably every country has its own interests in the first place, and thank god that they are now also appearing in our country, because in the past, attempts to talk about National Interests were always lined up and said no. Our Strategic Partnership with russia was strategized, as they say, so it is true and i will lead my own line and it is absolutely normal and correct , the only issue is that it did not attack the interests of other countries because at the same neighbors in the regions in general and if we take it globally, then of course each country will defend its National Interests if it is done within the framework of International Law and does not violate the interests of others, then it is completely and in this context i think that if we have god, more trusting relations with volyn arabia will be established. Well, this is only to our advantage. In this case, we can also influence the serious arab world and the arab region through this channel, convey our point of view. Especially since, unfortunately, moscow is actually occupied the Information Office the space of these countries and imposed on them for many, many years their vision of the world, which must finally be corrected, so that if we manage to establish this positive, good political and any other dialogue with audits, i think it will be beneficial ladies and for the benefit of saudi arabia, you say that if we succeed , what do we need in order to succeed in the event that we succeed . We do not pay special attention they appealed to that, uh, we need to break its influence on uh, um, well, so to speak, on the heads of political figures, including saudi arabia. And for this, very serious painstaking daily work is needed, and this is such a summit, which is not excuse me. And the whole meeting, because im watching you all the time, theres a line in line. The meeting that took place now in sumy arabia. It may be one of the elements of such a reversal of audits in the direction of er, well, more like this, lets say, weighted. Im not talking about ukrainian yet probably talk about it its very, very early. But with a balanced position, which e would be a step forward for us, so you know, step by step, we can change the situation in one influential capital in another in the third in the tenth, and in this way we can change the approaches to countries such as judicial arabia well, there are really countries that stand out from the rest, everyone else pays attention. Well, but it will be very difficult to do because thats what i, a little earlier, said this thought about what warms you, there are no friends , but there are interests im more addicted anyway in economic terms, from moscow, in particular, because of oil , what can we do, do we have any such levers that we can break it, well, mr. Yury, i dont know, eh, on the subject of dependence due to oil, in my opinion today, mr. Volodymyr, maybe im wrong said independence, and because of cooperation, it is connected with oil in custody, and therefore there are some such certain political moments. Yes, i also wanted to say that it is in opec that they interact with russia, but no one is safe from that that this interaction can suddenly stop and thats when they will not plant will be dependent on russia, and russia will beg for the op those prices that will still allow its oil and gas industry to at least somehow hold on, there is already a continuous pique and numbers uh, what uh, well, you can get it now, because you know in russia, now everything is classified, everything is labeled aa for official use or even secretly. Therefore, this is only such indirect data, but they also say that the russian uhuh, well, in relation to oil , the Oil Extraction industry in such a way is really starting to go down like a hole ball and even the fact that china and india are buying oil for now is not about that it will be forever in the end, the west can find ways to influence the same india and the same china if the situation continues not to the benefit of the civilized world yes that in this context saudi arabia seems to me to be leading the right line and if it coordinates its efforts within the framework of the same opec and also takes into account the position of the west, then it seems to me that they can really make serious progress in well positioning as truly more influential countries than they are today, and this will definitely affect their relations with russia in the same way, because it will mean that russian oil will become less and less in demand, of course , mr. Volodymyr, one more question. You know , returning to the fact that there is Little Information about this meeting, is there any statement the ministry of Foreign Affairs of china that they agreed to negotiate is a statement. The ministry of Foreign Affairs of the same saudi arabia once again agreed to negotiate when we will negotiate. The next time is still unknown. But is it possible in your professional opinion, to consider such a result, we agreed to agree, mr. Yury , you see, there is Something Else to talk about, and this does not apply to the meeting in saudi arabia only now. We are talking about the fact that something will happen, so there should be a counteroffensive, so it should not last for a few weeks and so on, so we expect from what will happen in gd , a conference that will suddenly put everything in its place. That is not the case in life, that is, this an overdose of some expectations, it then objectively leads to the fact that when there are no results, it is created , you know, the impression of some kind of lack of success, of such a lack of results, there are no documents, and they cannot be because these are consultations. This is not the event after which any decisions are made. Decisions can be made. Unless at this peace summit, which is planned to be held by the end of the year, but again, lets imagine , lets run a little ahead. Some consultations are yellow there or when the summit took place, for example in november of this year. Yes, absolutely correct things will be said there, there will be a reference to the un charter. There will be a reference to territorial integrity, to everything, and so on. And so on. In this way , what will they say in these rotten swamps . Well, of course we are for it, but please , then everything we have collected remains with us , no compensation, no contributions, no punishment of criminals, and we differ on several years to attack you again, then the question is in the problem, we are already thinking about this, are we going to escalate the situation again, and then after the summit we will say well, everything is correct, and there is no solution , but its simple, its forged by our heroes on the battlefield and nothing more. Well, i completely agree with you here, but you ve touched on it again. I was already thinking about advertising , but only this question, lets clarify everything well, this is the format of consultations. As you said, these consultations are really consultations without russia, consultations took place step by step without russia, then at some point we were forced, together with our partners , allies and countries that joined these consultations, to meet at the same table with russia, which has already asked