To friday at 20 00, repeat at 12 10 we continue the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel , we remind you that we are talking about medicine for our soldiers Oksana Korchynska, a volunteer from we are in touch and we are adding to the conversation viktor apolonov, cofounder of the turnstiles Testing Center mr. Viktor, we welcome you ms. Oksana thank you for waiting good afternoon ms. Oksana and i actually talked about the problem of lowquality turnstiles that continue to get into first aid kit to our defenders, these are chinese fakes, they dont fulfill their function and we lose peoples lives because of it, at the same time, i ve been wondering for a long time. Less we are ukrainians when fighters approach us and we are still trying to rummage around the world in order to buy somewhere for a few dozen as much as the capabilities of kettype turnstiles will allow , such a good, strong standard, eh , while, again, the ukrainian manufacturer is supposedly could provide our army with everything necessary, mr. Viktor, do we really have these capabilities . And if so, why are they not developed, not scaled, uh, we really have such capabilities. We currently have two powerful manufacturers in ukraine, this is the sichi turnstile , the dnipro turnstile, e well, since the american turnstile has been the Gold Standard in the world since the 14th year, of course the priority was for them, and it so happened that currently the aid to the Ukrainian Army is provided , including at the expense of foreign funds which have it is possible to purchase tourniquets only of foreign production, that is, american, for example, and that is why it is combined, if the combined deliveries of ms. Oksana dnipro and sich firstaid kits of our defenders, how often do these things generally intersect, how do they manifest themselves and are wonderful packages, we work with them benefactors for several months, i have simply run out of benefactors well , we kates cant buy it three times more expensive, because a highquality turnstile if in dollars and covalence costs 15, the maximum there is 570 uah for the Purchase Option and now everyone is fighting our medics, we transferred them to sich, and when the wounded are brought to us, we exchange them for sich, and sich works perfectly. We had no problems at the beginning of the First Six Months of the war with the first generation of the dnipro. An analog uh, and there was also a marker, but there was a problem with this batch, because its doctors, but with the second batch, already with their second modified version, there are no problems, and all our teams are here, and those that benefactors send them are absolutely satisfied , they meet the standards, and i i am convinced, well, sich in general the ukrainian standard was definitely passed even before the offensive, including two months before the war, we raised this issue with volunteers to urgently purchase firstaid kits for military personnel, because we understood that the firstaid kits in the warehouses of the medical forces did not have a supply of optical tubes at all, and then the committee of the supreme the National Health council was convened by ms. Ostashchenko, gathered all the experts, and they were ready to allocate something in the order of uah 240 million for the purchase of firstaid kits, and it was about the fact that there would be domestic ee turnstiles, well, in this case, ask for that, including in depending on the cost, etc. Mrs. Ostashchenko refused then i was in shock then, i was on this committee what are you doing , the deputies offer to allocate additional money to buy first aid kits. I realized that she has some a special relationship with kyiv gum , and kyiv gum is sometimes friends with a lowquality dye in order to make the farm how much they swear at their highquality turnstiles on the market, and they do not operate because of the improvement of the turnstile, but because they bribe officials and buy National Money officials of the ministry of internal affairs and the armed forces of ukraine in order to push through their turnstiles and on the sich and on the dnipro to the Second Generation well, i did not hear a comment now about how many wounded people are brought to us , this is what we have there, well, on average, it happens there well, if because of our the headquarters point, more than 14,000 wounded people came , we had no comments to sichi, not once, not once , this part is extremely reliable, therefore , of course, we can, and it is much cheaper, because the original american tourniquets cost from 30 dollars and above and above aa our turnstiles of these two companies, which our combat medics announced to the specialist, we are absolutely satisfied, yes, viktor, once again returning to the topic of those enterprises, yes, that is , those enterprises that provide can provide turnstiles for our Defense Forces in ukraine i am drawing attention to the thesis of this yarova from the Anticorruption Council at the ministry of defense. A few days ago, she reported that the state Audit Service , having audited the ministry of defense, qualified as losses of the state all the profits of all suppliers of the ministry of defense, referring to the government resolution in which the term profit in principle was absent and not exceeding the limits set by law on the percentage of profit. And in general, all profits were recognized as losses to the state, which contradicts the constitution and the very principle of conducting business. I really hope that now its somehow uh, well, it just needs to be tightened and so that the coordination of uh , the executive branch of government there among themselves is of a higher quality, but mr. Viktor, you actually cooperate with our manufacturers. Maybe we heard about some feedback regarding cooperation with the ministry of defense with our authorized institutions and bodies, or is it true that we are talking about some crazy sticks in the wheels among the two existing ukrainian manufacturers, one turnstile jan. They have quite significant enough cooperation with the ministry of defense, they have already fulfilled state orders and pam you know, the dnipro is supplied, although there are already several tens of thousands of them at zero, they are supplied only through volunteer channels, through funds, etc. Well , nevertheless, i would say that the wheels are not the same that grocers in wheels this is rather a misunderstanding of reality, because often in those sections where decisions are made, those who break through the solutions they do not understand the realities of the field, that was the problem, and thats why there are certain certain steps, certain solutions, they just dont like it. Its specially made. It just comes from the fact that they dont understand the reality. Ugh. And tell mr. Viktor, in order to use it and make a highquality turnstile with materials, there are no problems with that , that is, something of foreign origin, something we ourselves make and use it to create turnstiles, what does it all look like, do we have enough of everything, are there any problems here, no , at the moment, there are no problems with this , because the production processes are set up to a high quality and each stage has its own level another manufacturer, what else, because i am from the horizontal bar there, sich has been familiar with the project since the 15th year, and we cooperated very closely with the adoption, well, with the manufacturer of the dnipro niket, i am familiar and have been going together since the very beginning of their appearance, that is, with the beginning of the great war here i am, in principle, familiar with those with that production, therefore, in terms of quality scaling, it uhuh, one does not affect the other, that is, one has the opportunity to communicate with the other, and they are at their level, uh, on the input controls decide uh, well, they conduct control of these same components, partly these same components. They manufacture it themselves, using only raw materials. By us actually, to be honest, i am thinking ahead and understanding that the war will not end tomorrow and will not end in one moment and that our defenders continue to risk their lives. I think we should start thinking longterm and not try to patch holes as we go. Thank you , of course, to the benefactors who help, but its the same a very comprehensive resource, the state should approach this issue in a systematic way, ms. Oksano, summarizing this topic if you have any comments regarding the mathematics of turnstiles. To be honest, i noticed that everything its getting harder and harder to peck, er, cats are so desirable, and its getting harder and harder , the problem may be related to the fact that er, weve already won everything we could from the manufacturer, they dont have time to produce or something, well, really, you see what world goals have risen on the whole yes, it is for our wars, everyone knows that for all equipment and sanitary and military equipment and for tactical medicine, of course, the prices have risen in connection with our war because our needs are very great and thank god that we are following we share our attention with these, unlike the yaki orcs they dont think about their health at all, and they throw their advisors in the fields and they very often come to us with maggots already on our positions because they were thrown there wounded, thank god, what will we get for our own we are very grateful to our benefactors to the volunteers who have supported us for a year and a half thanks to them, the mission of the second station is many, many brigades equipped with combat medics , equipped with highquality honey, although in principle a firstaid kit. Occlusions are still the same, well, lets say a little, no, ours is still not of the best quality , it can be compared with european and american ones, but in principle, we can provide a highquality first aid kit in our national manufacturer. And these are the blood issues that you raised. We are very disconnected from Oksana Korchynska. Unfortunately, we will try to get in touch again. If there are our viewers who watched the broadcast yesterday, i will remind you that we had a conversation with gnat yesterday. Gerychim is a surgeon , in particular , of the Rehabilitation Center an broken, who works with extremely complex injuries and amputations. We talked about prosthetics. And this is an extremely high indicator, well, in fact, it is already somewhere even greater than the number of people who lost a limb during the previous world wars in percentage terms, and there may be more amputees in ukraine due to the fact that you know exactly still the presence of tourniquets is just now coming to my head because, er, before the Production Technologies of all these harnesses and so on, they were not so reliable, and people who were injured , who had a traumatic amputation, could not help themselves on the battlefield, could not count on quality help, very honestly no just dying now, so the number of people with prostheses in our country may be even greater than in the previous world wars, but this may mean that the number of people who survive thanks to the turnstiles, thus losing a limb, but she also survives more Oksana Korchynska p oksano blood transfusion, well, its a revolution, but its not a revolution its a world standard and in most nato countries it s a world standard eh because for us now its fundamentally important to train combat medics unfortunately for for a year and a half, it seemed a little beneficial to the professionalism of the 205 center, i hope that soon they will restore several more centers, and they will teach our breeders qualitatively, because blood transfusion is fundamentally important, in the opinion of special stages, and for us now, it is a tragedy that the command of the medical forces is already six months behind the ministry of health six months ago the ministry of health provided all the recommendations on the site of use yes and hear not hear 30 seconds is literally finish the thought uh this stage is extremely important we use it and use it for six months at the prehospital stage, our stabilization stations, medical stations of brigade battalions already have plasma, but it is not the command of the medical forces that helps us in this, but the ministry of health, it provided us with its resources, and in this way we succeeded half a year to save the seriously injured as much as possible during the evacuation stages thank you for example, we are very happy that something has moved from a dead point, i would only like that the initiator of this would be those who directly have to make these decisions ms. Oksano thank you very much very seconds 10 seconds about our civilian doctors about civilian doctors in the front zone 10 seconds hear hear 10 this is very important support of moza er civilian doctors in the front zone it is very difficult they are constantly under fire there should be a situation now when it will still be the coefficient for the work of civilian medics in the front zone because people are moving in, they support the load, they have all the front forces, they have frontline forces, they have displaced persons, and in these civilian doctors and medics must be supported, because people cant stand it like this, thank you, thank you, they do this work , mostly this the truth is a big problem, we will talk about it in the same way in the next studios Oksana Korchynska volunteer was in touch with us now we have a short break and thank you for staying with the press why am i here i have sensitive teeth they eat ice cream the pain is cold air pain sweet pain the dentist recommended lekalot sensiti what effectively reduces the sensitivity of teeth if i knew kalut sensiti you in the past i would not have had to come here at all lakalot sensiti reliable protection against pain turn it on well when everything is as you want click and now you control the game tyts and you in the tv show about what we need google turn on hundreds of channels in thousands of movies and sports im back i missed combispasm the force that tames your fight dad who were you during the war defender defender good afternoon and welcome to the Program Interview in french24 our guest today is the minister of Foreign Affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, he is joining us from malabu , the capital of Equatorial Guinea, from where he will head to liberia to garner support for his country in africa against the backdrop of the russia africa summit held in st. Petersburg, thank you very much sir ministers who found time for us. After russias decision to withdraw from the black sea maritime initiative, we witnessed russian attacks on ukrainian black sea ports such as odesa and the rhine sea port, so what about you russias opinion is the goal. Its very simple. Russias goal is to provoke an increase in the global food crisis, to export its own grain without hindrance, to benefit from it and make as much money as possible. The problem with this strategy is that the people of ukraine and the people of africa have to pay for this strategy of putin , because our grain not being exported, our infrastructure is crumbling and ordinary people across africa will be forced to pay more for bread and other foodstuffs due to rising food prices, while russia will fill its pockets with money to finance the war machine at the expense of africa this is what is happening the strikes are approaching the border with romania, which is a nato member , recently we also heard a warning from Vladimir Putin to another nato member, poland. Nato countries and russia attacked the rheny port on the danube because it was a very effective part of the infrastructure for the export of ukrainian grain and he wants to destroy the entire infrastructure due to the fact that this port is on the border with romania, he says that he is testing natos reaction, and nato must react firmly and decisively to this. In vilnius , the issue of ukraines future membership was discussed, and the unspoken argument was that we should not provoke russia. Ukraine was against this argument, but now we clearly see that russia is not it needs to be provoked, it acts according to its own logic and carries out destructive attacks and provocations. Moscow has warned that civilian vessels sailing in the black sea near ukrainian ports will be considered as military targets, or does ukraine in turn consider russian ships heading to black sea ports occupied by russia are legitimate targets. The ministry of defense of ukraine has published a corresponding statement, which essentially says the same thing as you just mentioned, that russian ships, wherever they are in the black sea, become legitimate targets in response to the corresponding official statement russia wants to return to the black Sea Grain Initiative, from which russia decided to withdraw , president zelenskyi said that he hopes for its revival, is it possible given the development of the events that we just talked about everything maybe this is what we learned during the last year and a half of the war, so we will continue to try to restore the black Sea Grain Initiative together with the United Nations and turkey , at the same time we make it clear that if nothing works, we must find an alternative way to export ukrainian grain by sea because it is necessary to reduce prices and this sencild put price down and in like i would like to remind you that according to un data , world food prices fell by 23 last year after the implementation of the black sea grain agreement. Therefore recovery of the sea route is very important, at the same time we will work with the European Union to ensure the proper functioning and expansion of the solidarity zones, that is, the export of grain through land corridors, and Vladimir Putin said that russia will supply africa with the same amount of grain as was delivered as part of the black Sea Grain Initiative. There were reports that he proposed an initiative under which qatar would pay in moscow for the delivery of russian grain to turkey, which would then be distributed him to africa, is this really what is happening now . Yes, we have heard about such efforts by russia. I think that it would be shameful for any country to participate in an agreement that russia concludes as a result of violations of its own international obligations, the destruction of the ports of a sovereign country, blackmailing the entire world of food crisis and famine and the fact that russia openly declares that it is ready to compensate for the lack of ukrainian grain on the market speaks of exactly what i spoke about at the beginning of the interview, they want to earn money , earn more and more by keeping the profit from higher prices provoked by their own actions , and the latter should not be forgotten that part of the grain that russia sells to the world is not russian, it is ukrainian grain stolen from the occupied territories. Russia about an alternative solution is unacceptable for ukraine we communicate with all parties except russia on this matter and they all understand the nuances and complexity of this issue regarding the presence russia in africa is talking a lot about the wagner group, are you collecting information about the fact that wagner is increasingly moving into africa and whether to share it with my african colleagues i would not go into the details of our cooperation with african countries , but of course the wagnerites are of special interest not only for african countries, but also for us, and we have valuable information that can help african countries to strengthen their security ukraine to be mentioned the importance for ukraine to be able to export its grain exists the problem with several Eastern European countries that want to block your exports is about poland, bulgaria, slovakia, hungary and romania. Is this acceptable in view of what is happening in the black sea . It is unacceptable and the demands of individual countries to extend the eu restrictions after september 15 are also against their own interests. We are also must remember that one of the reasons why russia is destroying ukrainian grain infrastructure dead one of the reasons by russia is to provoke additional tension in relations between ukraine and by our neighbors and we should not play into putins hand, we should not play into his game, we are working closely with our partners , friends and neighbors to avoid a situation where putin will sit and laugh in the kremlin aa ten times putin would be all that net lafeng watching how for example, poland or other countries insist that ukrainian grain does not enter their countries, still hope to receive a positive answer by september 15, the job of a diplomat is to have hope and realize it , talking about the realization of hopes july 14 the head of the office of the president of ukraine, andriy yarmak, said that the us is very close to deciding whether to provide ukraine with longrange missiles for attacks, but recently the Washington Post newspaper reported that the Biden Administration is actually still not ready to provide ukraine with these missiles. The pentagon says that ukraine has other needs, including demining do you agree that demining is a much higher priority than these long range missiles or f16 fighter jets we are definitely interested in getting attack missiles but i also have to say for the sake of clarity and justice that we will already receive longrange missiles from other countries such as Great Britain and france. So this is not an element that we do not have at our disposal, we need more, but in principle we have them. Means and tools for demining because the Ukrainian Army is carrying out its counteroffensive through heavily mined fields, so this is a very urgent need fxte 16 this issue has already been resolved takes time but this agreement is concluded and we continue to work on attack missiles but we understand the logic of washington in this matter as a conclusion in order to be able to preserve the sea route for export you will need actual patrolling from the sea and possibly from the sky this is the key to success if we have will be f16, we will not depend on russian blackmail when exporting ukrainian grain to world markets, so the sooner we get them, the sooner we will be able to launch a new protected and effective corridor that will function without any obstacles and millions of tons of ukrainian grain will enter the world market, stabilizing prices, lowering them, helping people to avoid hunger and, most importantly, depriving russia of the leverage of global blackmail, the interview in connection with Equatorial Guinea was dmytro