Pavel klimkin, any problems with the player budget, yes or not otherwise, they can change putin from the point of view of his plans for a multiyear war, enough is enough because when we talk about a multiyear war, we remember such a thing plans are plans, and money is money for a multiyear war, Everyone Needs it to have people, money and resources, we understand that ukraine also does not have that many people, uh, what resources, money, measures, there are more people in russia , but there are also not as many money, resources, as it seems, so in this regard, uh, i think that we have to realize how serious a problem is the role of saudi arabia in organizing such a meeting for the russians. Saudi arabia organized such a meeting, moscow was not invited, and this is positive for us, of course, because we have a chance to discuss our position with the global rooster, not even with regard to the peace formula as such, at least with regard to the point of view that the territorial integrity of ukraine should be recognized and should be a value not only for us, but also for the countries of the global rooster, that many of these countries really take such a neutral position. So we understand it all badly but we dont want to sever ties with the Russian Federation and here we can just say well, you dont want to sever ties, this is your right economically for such a political one, but you still have to inform the Russian Federation about the annexation foreign territories contradicts your view of the world on these relations, and if certain countries agree to come there, they know that there is no russia there, then they are ready to listen to it in one way or another. Not everyone comes there with great joy. There is the president of mexico and the description of the obrodor says that it is necessary to invite russia there so that from russia it does not matter as a peace summit , of course it does not matter, there cannot be peace without the participation of one of the parties to the war, but how the pressures themselves can be important, it is true that china still took part through its special feature lii hoey, this is a victory and a certain success for us, we do not know what the chinese hopes are for this meeting because they say that the americans are going to convince china to change its position on war, along with this, the chinese may believe that if they come there, they will influence the position of the global level, which they will not allow the americans, so to speak, to lead countries that are interested in relations with china very far from this model of behavior that china i didnt get involved in the last months, look what was a whole lot of peace plans , brazilian, indonesian, south african, african, headed by romaphosa , the president of south africa , by and large, all the countries that came up with peace plans are interested in personal relations with china, in economic relations, and so on representatives of these countries appear on their own, this china is not there, of course you know such a bias goes in the direction of the United States , when china is there, then the representative of the United States recognizes china, they can exchange positions right during this summit. And this somehow allows china to impose its position on at least a large part of the members of this site, so i dont know how much it is a win win. This is in the sense that china agreed in principle to a meeting without russia, but the result there may be a disruption of the expectations that the west has from this themselves. So everything balances the position of the measures, and perhaps so the countries of the global south can then, you know , have to choose whom they will support or, as they say, the beautiful or the intelligent, they can balance for too long they dont need anything special to choose its a question of money how much china is willing to help with money to invest how much you are the economic power they need now how much can replace western countries in the chinese offer its all quite cynical i wouldnt say that the global south is so strong in this the situation is guided by the question of value because for him it is a distant foreign war and it is also necessary to realize that it is its own war for europe because it is happening literally on its border and leads to serious migration problems and lead to a serious change in the very economic infrastructure of the european continent, connected there with the rejection of russian oil and gas , this is the war of the United States. According to the survey, Many Americans believe that america has already done everything it could, and this is enough , but for the global level, this is generally a foreign war. Are they also happening in africa . They have been happening there for decades. There were also, lets say, good guys and bad guys. There were people who violated international law, but people who wanted to restore it were not interested in us at all. It led to serious tragedies if we look at the news tape. Times of the russianukrainian war. We will see a civil war in ethiopia , where huge numbers of people are dying. Now it is settled a little, no less. We see a war in sudan, which we are not aware of at all. With the jihadists, now the government of burkina faso is a military force that has invited wagner to its country. I control 40 of the territory of this country , 60 is literally exterminating the population, to say that ukraine was of interest to someone before the war and is of interest during the war , i cannot give such examples. I can give you a huge number of reasons when we are offended by those in brazil or those in nigeria who are not interested in war. Well, we must understand that nigeria is currently preparing for a possible operation in nigeria where the military seized power, in principle, created the prerequisites for the fact that wagner came to this country after all points to the fact that it was the wagnerites who committed these provocations and the presence of trivozhyn at the summit where the african countries were and so yes, russia, africa, and directly the fact that the wagnerites are present there at all and prigozhyn was publicly supported by this coup which took place in nigeria, well, look, the accusation does not admit at all that it was a prepared weight, but admits that wagner can take advantage of it, moreover , literally just a few minutes before our conversation, the news of the us agency and here is the press what the nigerian nigerian i apologize the military junta asked wagner for help because tomorrow is the last day of the ultimatum which may lead to his failure to fulfill the prewar apparation of neighboring countries and france to niger and by and large they can invite wagner to wagner you protect them from this operation yes that wagner can in any case take advantage of this situation, the situation is very bad for many reasons. This region of africa is the only country that has kept its traditions conditionally. I would say such a change of power in general. President niger was the first. The current president was the first in the history of this country to receive power at all through the transfer of this power. This is the remnants of democracy on the continent, right in that mountain. There were reasons for the remnants in africa in general now. Practically all countries are democratic, except for the sakhalin countries. In all other countries, it works in one way or another. It is different types of democracy. There is a controlled one. The jihadists there took place four military coups one after the other in mali in burkina faso and now these are very risky territories. I already said that the government of burkina faso generally controls half of ukraine in mali , the situation is also very bad. So french troops came out of all these countries. They redistributed to niger, so in principle there were very high hopes. By the way, the president of niger was one of the few African Leaders who spoke with the president of ukraine , volodymyr zelenskyi, recognized the peace formula as a priority for this and a truly democratic ice if he is not returned to power now, then the niger army will most likely lose the military aid of the west, it can get wagner as a force on the bayonets of which it will keep power in it, but it is unlikely that it will be able to get wagner as a force capable of resisting the jihadists, this showed the experience of both mali and burkina faso and other african countries, where wagner comes, he can help the current government to maintain itself, he does it effectively, he can steal the Natural Resources of the countries in which he is located, it is he it can be effective, but the fight against the hadithists does not lead to anything serious. But at the same time, it leads to mass repressions against local residents, which further undermines the social base of all those forces that are fighting against the jihadists, so that you understand, the president of niger has made a special Program Return of people who fought in e. E. Jihadist units to a peaceful life. This program has been successful in recent months and has allowed many people to return to e. E. A peaceful life, although you must understand that no real there were no economic prospects for these people from some poor african villages who went to these camps. Well, there were simply not enough bees there, but i read an interview with one such uhuh johabist who decided to use the program of returning to a peaceful life. He said that in my village has nothing, but the hadiths give you all the meat of women and a motorcycle you need for happiness everything you need for happiness what you need if there is meat of a woman and a motorcycle give me one more topic, it also happens it is true so this is a whole story and now a new one the military government of nigeria is canceling all these programs, it has not been a few days since she said that this is a soft attitude towards these people. They are criminals, they killed and they killed in large numbers, dont even doubt it. So, you have to be tough with them. Behave and what does this behavior mean, it creates a social base for these new things and this destabilization of the african continent is definitely not in our interests because every generation of a crisis weakens the west. I am not saying that you understand that putin lives by an idea of this migration well, any worsening of the social situation in africa, etc. , the number of migrants is increasing, this is what russia wants to offer france, i will say, and then it can put pressure on African Leaders, and regarding wagner, let us help you , but then you vote in the un as we need you know this, he can put pressure on African Leaders, but by and large, voting in the un is also a completely ritualistic thing, and we need to look at some specific problems that may arise if the west leaves the eu the sahel region is definitely in favor of the Russian Federation, and the Russian Federation. Did you understand that it accounts for about half a percent of african trade . It does not play any role there at all. And as an economic powerhouse, china plays a huge role. I invest in africa in the west. The United States, france. Well of course, this is a huge investment, listen, even israel has serious social and economic programs there with those african countries that recognize its right to exist, is engaged in this policy israel is a small country, but its economic role in africa cannot be compared with the economic role of the Russian Federation, but why does russia take the west of africa with the support of governments that are not sure of their legitimacy and popularity . That is, it offers bayonets, and that is also a lot which shows that lets then move from africa to poland, because there is wagner, so what is this, uh, to vitaliy, for such an answer from nato countries and directly from the United States of america, on the one hand, it is, of course, expected that they are not will apply the fifth article simply because the airspace was crossed by russian and belarusian helicopters yes, but on the other hand, where is the border, then what red lines can russia cross because belarus is russia, so that putin should be answered by the Prime Minister of israel near explaining the position of his country in relation to the russianukrainian war, he said somehow that it is necessary to realize that israel is in this war situation that it has a border with russia , of course there is no real border with russia from israel and they cannot have one, but what the russians are in syria, the fact that russian mercenaries are all from the fact that wagner is in syria makes israels relations with the Russian Federation completely above what they were when the gray territory was completely controlled by the regime of your fathers pike, the same applies to the actions of russia in any similar situation when it creates a border with russia, you understand , we were talking about africa, where russia creates a border with russia with the help of wagner, there are some countries that have borders with burkina faso and Little People could say that they have a border with russia, it is dangerous today, the coat of arms was the border with russia and what did it lead to, now the russians are creating a border, increasing the border with poland, lithuania, they sent the wagners there, of course, well, poland is on yours yes, there is a border with russia in the form of the leningrad region. But this is a completely different situation, it is simply an enclave in which there are legitimate power structures that cannot respond to any provocations, because one way or another, this immediately puts russia and nato on the real border of the declared conflict by the gazelle absolutely a different situation by the way, you can see that the provocation is not only with the help of the wagners, but also with the help of the Belarusian Armed forces. These are helicopters that entered the airspace of the republic of poland. It is not so simple. Everything is possible to provoke some kind of response from the western countries in this regard, there is a red line of the west, but we dont know it now, putin will try and somehow grope, i will say all the time that it must be true, the vagnelovians entered the the territory of poland or lithuania found some kind of weak point on the border, so the fact that the border needs to be strengthened seems to me to be a fact and they entered some village in polish did they kill people there or did they just burn something there , destroy it and return to the territory of the republic of belarus, what should be done, what should be answer this is a good question, there are several answer options. The first answer is to call the temporary representative of the republic of belarus to announce a protest to him. The second answer is to answer from hit on in the wagner bases on the territory of the republic of belarus, these are two possible options. What will poland choose, what will the nato member countries choose . I dont know if they will rely on the opinion of their own citizens. Well, from the side of the poles or lithuanians, for example, and they were killed by their fellow citizens. Maybe there not much, but still, it is already a danger, the specific question is, if we answer, we understand that russia can intercede with belarus, it will already be nevagnevich, they are also faced with a choice. Well, they are faced with a serious choice, yes, putin understands this, so he will then the americans will be intimidated by this, the representative of the United States in nato, in nato, in the un says that they perfectly understand that these are not wagnerites. And this is putin and that putin should be responsible for this, and i absolutely agree with this that it is then, but again how to answer what does this mean, why will it be hit at which military facilities of russia, or that we will call neither the ambassador of russia nor the ambassador of belarus, the ambassador of russia and a statement of protest. That is, it is a choice between a forceful and nonforceful reaction, at the same time we know that a forceful reaction can cause a reaction in response to happens if we simply limit ourselves to statements about the test and the summons of the temporary attorneyinfact, this expands the possibilities for this, it expands the possibility of provocation, so in fact, we do not see anything new, practically the same thing happened in 2014, at least in the donbass in crimea, russia quickly took responsibility for the events when the decision was made to annex the peninsula and in donbass , a hybrid situation has persisted since 2014 or 2020, and all the time the west also said, listen, you , its not Russian Troops, its still there are some local scumbags, of course russia helps them, we condemn it, but this is not a war with russia. But in fact it looked like this, well, even the minsk agreements stipulated that territories occupied by russia should receive a special visa status, not because they are occupied, but because such is the desire of their residents, although it was an ordinary brutal occupation and it was, in fact, recognition of pseudoreferendums. No, there was no recognition of referendums, but there was recognition, lets say differences, differences. If it was recognition of referendums, then the west agreed with the annexation of these territories to russia, this referendum will be about that. Well, think about it, but the point is not in this, he said that now the west itself will find itself in the situation in which we were, and he told us that these are not russians , what will he call the wagnerites . Who were they, well, i dont by the way, this will definitely happen. Im just saying that such a danger definitely exists and how to deal with this danger is a good question. I now think that all leading western analysts , both in the case of the National Security of the United States and in the polish, lets say, lithuanian power structures are analyzing this situation, thinking how to react, in principle, this is a classic thing if we say and falsify that russia can of course be satisfied with the fact that the war in ukraine is taking place on the territory of ukraine or is it limited by the state borders of ukraine , even if a part of these ukrainian territories is declared part of of the Russian Federation, but in any case it is a war on the territory of ukraine , even if peaceful residents are ukrainian citizens from any territorial history there, you can in any the moment to refuse and say oh, we didnt think that we violated something, this is a kind of political training ground, but the measures are yes , please finish them, but if the war moves to the territory of russia, how was it a murder . This is another quality of wine, and i wanted to continue about it. There is a third option to provide ukraine with an unprecedented number of weapons of longrange missile fighters, and they will not use their own hands, but ours, they will simply hit the Russian Federation, and the Russian Federation can think in the same way that if someone wants to move the war to its territory, why not to transfer the hybrid war to the territory of nato. We will not strike openly on the territory of russia, we will also do it in a hybrid way, saying that some Russian Volunteer corps is doing it, it is something to invent. Well, they will invent your Russian Volunteer corps shebekin. To some polish village, that is, it can reflect all this and show poland and lithuania that you support ukraine, but you can meet rural people, there will be new films, but not recognized, or rather, i will say that she is not going to and there are some the wagnerites went to the territory of poland, they want to take revenge for their dead, who decided that it is possible to win anything and then win some lithuanian liberation corps from oppressed russians who were forced to leave because they are discriminated against something i dont see a way out of this situation what can it be a way out of the situation, there can be only one is the end of russias war against ukraine, if the war against ukraine ends , the possibility of its sprouting something more ends, if we agree on what everyone is talking about now western analysts this is a war for a long time. You have to understand that for a long time, you will have to cross all these lines of defense of russia, she can also attack you somewhere. And she can be more stable, right . You see all these comments and for some reason everyone believes when they talk about it what will happen as it was, well, that is, this is such a typical style of thinking. I would say the style of thinking when you prepare for what will happen. Before that, the war was on the territory of ukraine and a little on the territory of russia, and so it will be absolutely safe. The war across the borders of ukraine does not graze passes and when passes through the borders of russia and we say we do not want it we are not interested in the fact that the russian population suffered peace we only want ukraine to liberate its territory and it can continue like this until 2035 to finish faster as you say there is only well i see only two options, either give us more weapons so that we can move in a counteroffensive faster or they can put pressure on us to end the war otherwise , that is, make concessions no, thats all, none of these plans will end anything we will go somewhere there and free the territory on the border of 1991, then the war will simply continue on these borders, nor will the russians try to free their occupied territories whose freeze if a certain time can freeze in them, there are so many resources it can freeze in any case, lets get there we will not get anywhere if there is less resource it will freeze it is not a question of where to give us weapons or not it is a question of the truth of their resource of course if we have more weapons their resource will be more it is logical about the fact that we have to make concessions. Who told you that the russians are waiting for us to post . No, it is not clear. What the russians are not waiting for. Maybe the countries are waiting for the measures. The russians are not waiting. Another question. I think that if we received a proposal to join nato in april of next year and certain security guarantees , it would stop without a hitch. Im not talking about that, i m just talking about the fact that the conflict will grow , including geographically on the one hand, which is not enough in russia resources, and on the other hand, that the conflict will grow, how can it be at the same time . Look, you can take away all heavy weapons , leave them with one machine gun, and send them to the territory of poland so that they simply shoot these machine guns, kill five people and return to the territory belarus does not need resources for this, it is not largescale, that is, it will happen, but all the same, it definitely buys poland, not lithuania, and does not occupy it, and i think that it is unlikely to be able to take even this valkiv corridor. History, it is definitely the third world war if Russian Troops of any kind, even paramilitary ones, cut the sova corridor, that is, separate the baltic countries from other nato countries. Well, everyone, consider that the war has started , it will start in kaliningrad. And here you dont even have to think long. But if it will be some point attacks, the west will always think what to do with it, how to react adequately or not to react, and this is a big problem so far, they somehow know that. Well , nothing terrible happened, this is not a ghost. Well , so far, nothing happened, a random missile that was not launched on the territory of poland or a random drone that was not launched on the territory of romania. This definitely did not happen , but citizens of the European Union may die. Well, these are random events when it is absolutely clear that russia has no plans to destroy them. And if it has a plan to identify them, if it comes a person in the form of wagner and everyone will know what it is that this organization is connected with putin, i wont say what it is, you know, an unfortunate case, they are lost, well, it s interesting anyway from the point of view of definition, so that is, if the citizens of the european the union and nato countries accidentally from the hands of russia, well, it happens. And if a special russia strikes, then its already serious, well, its strange, in one other case, its the death of people, of course , then you can do some kind of Legal Proceedings in ee, look for the guilty, as was the case with, say, the malaysian by plane, no one doubts to understand. Was it by chance or to conduct an investigation on purpose . This is a completely different story for some people, like you start when you dont declare war. This is a different legal story. And if armed forces entered your territory a group of people. You cant say that she came by chance. Well, i say well see about it because i want to order you to remind that in the history of russianukrainian relations there was a case when a whole Russian Military unit came to the territory of ukraine, you remember, and they they said that they got lost, and we basically agreed with this version , well, well, what happens, guys. And you understood that they didnt wander, they were conducting some kind of reconnaissance work on our territory. But we didnt want to. Russia, what is it to us, what should we do to declare war on russia . Well, thats fine. Well, thats why we agreed with this version. Lets see what the Member States will do. I agree. It will be interesting to see the United States of america, after all, they are now very busy with their by Election Companies in relation to one of the candidates for the position of president of the United States, donald trump, there are already announced charges in the case of trump , which directly concern the capitol and according to these charges. So there are several such of the definitions that the Court Announced to him directly in the indictment, it is stated that conspiracy is to mislead the United States and conspiracy to obstruct an official investigation , harm and attempt and attempt to obstruct an official investigation and conspiracy to violate rights and all these norms all those violations so they well, for about 20 years, trump faces imprisonment in general if his guilt is proven in a court of law, but i dont understand one thing , somehow, trumps rating does not fall, why does mr. Vitaly well, is he from the Republican Party the only one who can currently represent this party in the elections, lol, from the point of view of people who consider themselves supporters