Ee cities on the International Arena and it is possible vmeste russia legs from these countries before the war in ukraine observed that russia is an International Player that russia can create such a name as a multipolar world but with armed force ukrainy, ukrainian resistance, ukrainian courage, it was the mouse that destroyed it, and already the arab view of russia last year and this year, with all the differences , if you are already in the last year, the thread that the countries considered russia. And it is not perceived now , it will be perceived differently by an economic partner and a country that is necessary or possible to help, but at the same time earn memorable news. If this agreement is reached, the initiative will be successful. For a second, just imagine what kind of water you will receive the crown of prince muhammed bensalman, well, we understand that he is the actual king today, then he will be an International Player and not only the original, this is the first reason, the second reason, the war has already gone beyond the borders of ukraine, if the war was already at the beginning of my last year and almost last year, it clearly caused damage to ukraine , the ukrainian people and the world economy, but it, uh, it affected the arab countries indirectly, that is, this year, directly, the increase in food prices is the issue of russias exit from directly fed up with the grain deal and heated up, it directly pushes the arab streets to sterilization , because the price increase is not the only reason im scorning. Thats scornful, were talking about the rest of egypt. This grain issue will not be resolved, then a record increase is expected. 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M. , watch the program of collaborators with Olena Kononenko on the espresso tv channel, vasyl zimas Big Broadcast , two hours of air time, two hours of your time, two hours to learn about the war and what the world is like, 2 hours to keep up with Economic News and new sports for two hours in the company of favorite presenters, presenters who have become likeminded to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio, the events of the day in two hours , vasyls Big Broadcast in winter, a project for intelligent and caring people in the evening , the most exciting, congratulations, friends, this World View Program my name is vasyl zima today we gathered to talk about the new world order from the horde, the new world order , is the war that is happening today in ukraine one of the elements, or maybe even the epicenter of the formation of this new world order, how powerful and key world players are playing today in this war and around this war, what can be the place of ukraine in the new world order . Is this just the conjecture of conspiracy theorists and nothing of the sort is happening . We are simply dealing with a local war that will not resolve the balance of power in the world upon its completion, no matter how it ends. I have invited to the conversation interesting specialists and guests you know are already in touch with us evgeny magda, he is the executive director of the institute of World Politics p. Yevgeny, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, p. Vasyl, glory to ukraine , glory to heroes, i i want to ask you right away in your opinion, not in your opinion, in your evaluations. In your opinion, is the war in ukraine today the epicenter, or perhaps one of the elements of the formation of a new world order . The balance of forces in the world and the key world players around this war are not forming this new world order now , please, we are observing a paradoxical situation on the one hand, the russianukrainian war is obviously the most powerful, the largest in the world in the 21st century and in europe after 1945, this is for sure and we see how is this situation actually developing, how do the threats to use Nuclear Weapons sound, what are the consequences of this war, but the russianukrainian war is not a world war, and this is evidenced by the fact that, on the one hand , ukraine is supported by the rammstein coalition, and with on the other hand, there is, you know, on a strict leash, there is belarus next to russia and in free swimming there is iran, somewhere behind china and behind russia, but still not in such a way as to spoil relations with the United States and the european union, thats how i see it so then, is it possible to talk about the fact that this war came as a surprise to the key players, or i would like to voice certain theses. Maybe they are conspiracy theories, but in any case, people should have professional answers to them, because to listen to conspiracy theorists, especially these people who talk about e e reptiles by the way, i will immediately remember about the sudden, yes, a statement was made yesterday. Im sorry for digressing a little, but this is not a distraction, it is related to the topic of my studies. Yesterday, a statement was made by a former representative of the intelligence of the United States of america. He participated in open hearings in the congress of the United States of america. And uh, he said that uh, in the pentagon , the department of defense of the United States of america, there are samples of nonhumans, there are nonhuman biological samples. He did not say extraterrestrial but nonhuman biological samples. That the pentagon also has samples of extraterrestrial greeting devices, and after that a tweet appeared. That is why it was a tweet by dmitry medvedev, the former president of the Russian Federation, now he is the deputy head of the council of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation, he said there he took a photo of zelenskyi biden, er, macron, a few more people, he called them vertebrates, that is, there are enough people who, everything they see around them, can be called reptilian extraterrestrial beings who are waging their war here on earth, but we will look at it from the point of view of science and from the point of view its common sense, yes. If we talk about conspiracy, we say that this is a war between the states and russia, or the states of russia, china, or the europeans of europe, the states of russia , china, its just that its happening today on the territory of ukraine. Ukraine was so happened that it became a bridgehead for this war. In which the new world is brewing in kazan the great, is it possible to say so or did this war really become unexpected and it was not some kind of preparation for world showdowns between the superpowers . Unfortunately, this war was expected because, in any case, western intelligence knew about a largescale invasion a few months before its implementation, but uh, in any case, and they reported this information to the relevant ukrainian officials, but on the one hand, on the other hand, it can be said that we are dealing with the desire of russia to subjugate the world here and there where it will only be possible, that is, russia is trying to bluff because anya is economic anya, as the experience of more than 50,010 military forces has shown, is not enough to be such a bright militarypolitical player , it has its shortcomings, russia, well, you know how it is of course, it is a sad anecdote, but the fact that she could reach the atlantic there, yes, but she got hold of bakhmut, and this is evidence that the Russian Military machine is not as powerful as it was often mythologized there, and they said that it can do everything and everything in principle they are not capable of it, they are not all of them, they are not capable of everything, they are not capable of everything, and we will do it. Supporting ukraine in condemning russia in the introduction of sanctions against russia, with each day of this war, the pressure of the west and monolithicity is getting stronger and stronger. This is finland and the 32nd number is sweden. Actually, this issue can be resolved in the near future , and i hope that the 33rd member of nato can become , say, ukraine, but in any case, nato has expanded, this is also a consequence of this war because if it were not for this war, finland would not have thought about joining nato and everything was fine before that. No, russia did not threaten it in any way with its aggressive behavior, and this is already certain changes, and this is the blocks that russia formed, did not shape, such a postsoviet one also now gave a crack because the odkb is not as monolithic as it was, and ukraine , well, obviously, will definitely not become a member of this treaty on collective security, that is, some cracks have gone , some new formations have appeared. Well, lets say , like the accession of finland finland to nato can we say that this is a war after all between two powers, the west and the east, and here the question is whether russia will grow even more or the west will grow and then we can say that it is being resolved in ukraine now, or not only in Ukraine Ukraine has really become the main field fight for this war, and it is sad to realize that the losses we are suffering are huge and , frankly speaking , we will be restoring the economy of ukraine for a long time, and we will not be able to bring back anyone who died, the truth is the reality, we can talk about it for a long time what became the causes of the war, but there is a moment that is worth paying attention to. Ukraine was completely written off literally on the eve of the war, that is, they said that it simply would not be able to resist or that it would collapse under russian pressure, that the Ukrainian Army would cease to exist. Literally a couple of days after the russian invasion, this did not happen and we convinced everyone that ukraine exists as a state and will continue to exist as a state on the european political arena and will do it quite successfully. Millions of our citizens, and this is evidence that ukraine as a state took place, this is one of the main consequences of the russianukrainian war at the moment, that ukraine does not always position itself as a point in the confrontation between good and evil. I think this is a very big mistake, because it is in this context that we we have to show ourselves in exactly this context, we have to talk about ourselves in exactly this context, we have to demonstrate that ukraine is a state capable of achieving greater success, we are now completing the process of forming the ukrainian of a political nation and the war with russia is the catalyst of this process, a very powerful catalyst that we must also Pay Attention to and work effectively with it. I think that we will be able to achieve appropriate success and i think that we will be able to be among the countries that will form a new world order, but for this we need not only to talk why am i in nato, why are we not in the european union, for this we need our internal changes, if we are on the way to victory with russia in the war with russia, we will actually transform at certain moments to russia lite this is absolutely not the case that we, well, actually need. Now i will ask you about something about which i often read in social networks, uh, people who, well , mostly write this by people who are now, of course , somewhere and already feel in thats why there is tension and stress and pain, well, ukrainians are not the same now as they were before february 24 of last year, and somewhere some kind of fatigue, emotions are running high and you want to blame someone else for starting this war. We remember that the day before, nato in during the release , statements were heard by themselves and from individuals politicians by the way, complicated things, first of all, if it wasnt too much, the war didnt start this year, well, its like the west almost pushed this war, but could, could have stopped it all. I dont know how, because i wrote a book about the first year wars. I studied a lot. What did the diplomats of the politicians of britain, europe, and america do . Well, i didnt see any incitement to war there. People did everything they could do diplomatically. Maybe somewhere they didnt resort to some more radical steps. But again , radical steps should be calculated simply. You cant resort to them, and thats why the question sounds like this. This is nato s rejection of russias proposal, when late in the evening in february , the ambassador of the United States of america to russia came to the building of the ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and gave the outgoing deputy minister he gave him this rejection of proposals not to expand nato , and there were other proposals from russia, and the following words are heard here. But if we say, then the United States agreed to the proposal and said, well, we will not expand to the east, and then took after some time and expanded, but there would be no war, do you agree with this thesis or not . No, i do not agree, because russia had clear enough plans for ukraine and the development of hostilities. At the end of february 22nd , this is evidenced by the fact that russia wanted to enter kyiv to change power in kyiv, and after that do everything to make ukraine a territory completely subordinate to russia , so that ukrainian resources work in russia, and then russia begins to move further, further into poland , further into belarus, further into moldova, further into the countries there is no court for the baltics. Ukraine has become a stone on which the russians broke their teeth, and this is objective. At the present moment, the reality is therefore to expect that the russians could change their mind there. Accordingly , it should have brought the necessary consequences, that is, it can be said in the same way that russia would have tried to undermine european capabilities, but this did not happen , russia is stuck in ukraine and ukraine really has turned into a shield for a number of european states. However, we still protect ourselves first of all, and then all other europeans. Well, the last question i want to ask you , it seems to me very important and will give a better understanding of why the western countries are behaving this way and not differently now politicians well, they all behave differently, some more decisively like the british, some less decisively, but in any case, everyone understands one way or another that russia is an existential threat to western civilization, which actually grew from the former ancient greek civilization from its values, and roman civilization and france during the time of napoleon, too, many laws were written, because the system by which we now live in europe, but that is what i wanted to ask about, does it not stop our western partners today, the leaders of this western world , because of anglosaxon education, it is also called well, what they dont see until the end and what will the new world be like, because after this war , the new world will still appear everything that brings death then also brings life, therefore it will be life but not as it was before february 24, do you think that the west will quickly understand , first of all, and maybe our partners around the world what this new world will be, because it seems to me that there is a misunderstanding of what will boil in this cauldron of war, which is happening today in ukraine somewhere it slows down the partners a bit, because either you have to press harder somewhere, give more weapons , and then you can do something wrong that is, you dont understand, and what will come out of this, i can come up with something even worse, or maybe there will be more of a threat, maybe it wont be as we planned and there is a lack of understanding of what this newnovus horde will be as a secretary, he is slowing down somewhere and they are waiting, they think well, lets see, now there will be another counteroffensive ana, then we will see what we threw up ana wait wait or maybe russia will fall earlier or maybe putin will die and that will slow it down because there is no determination to say the new world will be like this and we have to do everything to make it like this and there will be no questions but suddenly it will not be like this but suddenly something will go wrong in the world it is somewhere and forces our partners to keep looking at the map of hostilities and expect what will cook again in this hellish kazan of the ukrainian ukrainian war. I think that the world will be multivector, that is already clear. I think that the west is afraid of a World Without russia in the sense that a World Without russia will strengthen the position of china and i think that in this world the role of regional alliances will grow and in this context ukraine as a state which in the 21st century is the first to actually defend its independence with weapons in hand in conditions where its loss the loss of independence could have huge consequences. It should claim to be a leader of one of the leaders of the modern world , it should be clearly understood that we have, but our leadership it will not be onetime even after our victory in the war with russia, it will not become onetime one should not think that everyone will come and bring to the bank the keys to the president ial palaces or to the offices of the prime ministers of european countries. No, we need to change within the country, we need to build relations with our neighbors because i i am sure that only through strong relations with our neighbors we can build an effective state, we need to act so that we do not feel sad for ourselves and look for effective opportunities in order to quickly rebuild and build a strong state, because at the moment, for example , the issue of dismantling russia has somehow gone off the agenda the truth is that it means that even the victory of ukraine will cause the restoration of its territorial integrity. Only a certain step, but not a complete one. In my opinion , there will also be a problem, that is, we will not have time rest on our laurels after the victory, we have to live and fight on, we have no other way out and we have to convey to our partners that the preservation of russia in its current form will become a deferred threat that may shoot not necessarily at the territory of ukraine, that may shoot at another state , such as russia will decide to challenge and it will once again become a serious problem for the world. Thank you, mr. Yevgeny. Thank you for taking the time to join. Your professional comments were given. Yevhen makda, executive director of the institute of World Politics and the writer was not with us we are proud of his connection, and we wish him a good day. Oleksii, i congratulate you, even if it is more precisely comparative Political Science , we will compare everything in the world. Well, actually , lets compare now, ill ask you a question that you know somewhere successfully somewhere with success, people who want to know more continue to search for answers and, having certain fragments at their disposal, want to make a complete picture, but this complete picture does not always consist of some elements or some knowledge that people lack. Do you think that the war in ukraine, which is ongoing today, is the cauldron in which this new world order is brewing, shouldnt we think so globally and lets just say that this is a local war in which the fate of the state of ukraine, its independence , sovereignty and its territorial borders is being decided by which they will be everything and no new world order will be formed here because of this war. What is your opinion, vasyl . Well, you know the answer. That is, this is more of a rhetorical question on your part, and in this case, yes , definitely. This is a test for the whole world in general, and how is this the world will be what this world will look like im sorry here i have a little like this this is me from home and what will this world look like uh why isnt this a local war we understand very well because this is a violation of actually all uh all the rules of the world world order and if in russia succeeded, we can already see that it will not succeed. But it sounded like the victory of the law of the jungle, so thats why it is definitely