Apartments , let s see what the situation really was. We dont know where the drone will fly. Well, it will fly again. I think this is not the first and not the last case. In any case, war is bad. War has never been good, and what is happening is unknown. I think thats why god grant that no one was hurt, as we can see, muscovites are already getting used to night attacks, meanwhile, lukashenko said that he was joking about wagners plans to go to poland, at the same time it became known that minsk has been negotiating since morning about the production of shaheeds on its territory, and this week in saudi arabia they have there will be peace talks about the future of ukraine, representatives of forty countries will participate in these talks, russia will not be there, we will talk about this and other things today throughout our program, for an hour we will have general yegundiplomathaara and political technologist holobutsky as guests for those who are watching us now on i will tell youtube that we are conducting a survey. We are asking you today whether ukraine needs diplomatic relations with belarus. Yes, no, but we are still friends. Please vote in our answer. Poll at the end of the program, we will kill the result of our voting, i want to introduce todays first guest he is the former deputy head of the sbu , Major General of the reserve of the Security Service of ukraine viktor yagun , general, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air, lets start with another flight around moscow in on the night of august 1 , unmanned aerial objects again attacked the moscow city complex in the capital of the Russian Federation, the ministry of defense of the Russian Federation claims that moscow was attacked by ukrainian drones. Can we state that the war as says zelenskyi is already gradually moving to the territory of russia, and how far can this war be on the territory of russia, how largescale can it be. And one more short question before this, have we already overcome this barrier of not being able to hit moscow there . To hit some russian targets or well, they seem to be fighting here, so we have to beat them here. And what about further abroad . Psychological the problem was that we have to transfer the war to the territory of the enemy, or is it clear to the military, to the military services , or in the 14th year, maybe this is a part of the Political Community , i dont know, there tried to look into the eyes, to agree on something. Well, what did the military say that special operations must be carried out to interview the enemy, this is clearly why there were specific statements by the commanderinchief that was overheard who said that the enemy must be beaten, including on his territory, this question is unequivocal i do not i know there are absolutely no barriers now. At the very least, the last er during the last activation this is exactly Everything Else that is happening. I forgot the beginning of the question. The beginning of the question was about how what is happening now in russia will be affected. Already in the course of our war with russia, what is happening now in moscow, it is clear that this is primarily psychological pressure, and it is clear that we cannot now achieve the effect we would like, explosions here and there , except for the league on the territory of foreign intelligence a military Intelligence Officer there fsb but at the same time, it must be understood that everything is just beginning, we are demonstrating our presence. It is much more important now. At this stage, when in september 1939, when polish planes bombarded berlin, it is clear that he did not achieve the goal that he would have liked for the polish people but he demonstrated that we are, we exist and we will fight with you somewhere , probably the same system existed when uh captain douglas uh organized the appearance of uh bombers from uh Aircraft Carriers and built after the destruction of the islands of japan, it was also a purely symbolic action, but it psychologically proved to the japanese that the United States will one day achieve a stupid goal for them, it was all over for berlin and for the japanese islands, we know there were such moments when berlin was moved at the same time by a thousand planes a and about nuclear, Nuclear Explosions on er, japanese fear we remember to this day , therefore, i would not advise muscovites to relax and you think that our situation is the last city , maybe it will be 1000 plus km and in other big cities of theirs, but we demonstratively we give on objects that are not related to the civilian population, these are factories, oil depots, military units or state institutions. By the way, the ukrainian official authorities managed to defend themselves and did not take responsibility. Therefore, it is possible that this is the third force, it is possible that it is one of the private patrons to declare their possibilities, but the fact that they will intensify is clear. Therefore, it is more of a psychological strategic uhuh on them uhuh kara, by the way, usake writes that the attacks on moscow most likely involved beaver drones with a range of thousands of kilometers and experts assumed that in the future, which in the case of beaver shaheds, will be used in many larger flocks to overcome antiaircraft defense and Electronic Warfare means, well, that is, it is unknown for now , lets say so, drones will fly to moscow and not only to moscow to other e regions of russia rostovska bryansk region today , in addition to all this, in the waters of the black sea there were unmanned sea boats that tried to attack two russian warships in the waters of the black sea near the occupied crimea, and literally before our broadcast, there was a message that drones attacked one of the warehouses in sevastopol. I understand that military warehouses. That is, we are expanding the range and flights and the range of those sea boats without a crew that can go in the black sea. This is the story from blockade with russias blockade of the black sea and the ukrainian coast, and not only the ukrainian coast, because they promise to shoot all civilian vessels that will appear, that will enter ukrainian waters ports, how can this be overcome . I know that today there was already information that three foreign ships have already entered ukrainian ports , despite the fact that the russians threatened to shoot one of the ships, it is from israel, and all these ships that entered and enter ukrainian ports are they are being watched by the drones of the north atlantic alliance, but in your opinion, what is the best way to fight this piracy that putin is currently demonstrating in the black sea . Well, only by force is a demonstration of force. I am generally surprised by the situation because three countries nato has a coast and an Economic Zone in the black sea and they can demonstrate, i dont know, in the form of some exercises, for example, bulgaria, romania , romania, bulgaria, turkey, this is a closed circle , they can really not just demonstrate, but also demonstrate their flag, as they say, in the waters of the black sea, but it is also demonstrative to be directly on the raid against those russian ships that are trying to enter even the Economic Zone of these nato countries, so i think that it is possible only by force, only by demonstrating your presence put them in their place and it is clear that i am proud of those sailors. And the israeli ones, turkish and allegedly georgian, there is some kind of double registration in the court they went to , they really showed courage and demonstrated that to the vast majority , what he is demonstrating about is russia, after all, blitz and would the naval forces of the United States of america somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea be sufficient to show the seriousness of its intentions to protect International Shipping and free navigation, which russia is now encroaching on . Well because everyone is waiting for what the Un General Assembly will say yesterday, without saying what the african countries will say. Well, these votes are not convincing, or as you say, they do not give a demonstration of force that can prejudice and can show russia that for any force there is another force that can absolutely calmly suppress it, in fact, the show of force is taking place in the waters of the Mediterranean Sea and the detachment is located on the Aircraft Carrier of the United States, the Aircraft Carrier is not only an airborne city, but a group consisting of the smallest of 21 ships and they there are the initial activations of russia in the Mediterranean Sea in the black sea and the initial active phase of the war in ukraine , a general hall that can demonstrate the United States about 200 military aids at the same time. Therefore, it is quite a powerful force, and by the way, they were information that when the intimidation of us with Nuclear Political weapons began, there was one such source of information that the allies are considering plus options for er response, it is er, the destruction of the black sea fleet at one moment, it is up to 500 missiles, several salvos, well, there are not simultaneously one after the other how ready are the Russian Troops to repel such an attack on the black sea fleet on the troops located in the crimea and on the territory of ukraine well, i would, i would look at all this, after all, we should not fight with ukraine , which does not have enough longrange weapons and, accordingly, aviation and all this was complex, and the aviation of missiles against the background of what is happening in the south of ukraine and the aggravation of the situation in the black sea basin, we do not observe another point that putin and lukashenko are trying to put on the map this is the border of belarus and poland received information that 100 of wagners fighters had arrived to carry out some kind of provocation. Before that, putin did not talk about the fact that stalin had given the western part of poland and the eastern part , respectively, to germany, to poland. And that we will remind them of this, lukashenko said about the fact that these wagnerites want to go to the territory of poland and see where that rzeszow is today lukashenko said that he was joking about it because they say he was joking then because the wagnerites were fighting in the east of ukraine and all the equipment that was going was not east ukraine, she went through rzeszow, what else did the selfproclaimed president of belarus say, lets hear it, to be honest, i want to keep this unit, these are real fighters who have gone through the war and lost many of their friends. We are being told about the experience, and i suddenly heard that recently i got more and more angry that some detachment of up to 100 people is coming here , no detachments of chvk wagner, er, 100 people did not move here. In brest and near mr. General, according to preliminary data, there are seven to eight thousand wagnerians on the territory of belarus. If i am wrong, please correct me. Do you have such information . Look , if their entire army there consists of 20,000 belarusian fighters, then whether or not there are too many of these people who advise and instruct the belarusian army, well, one to two, in fact , is it not too many, and what is the purpose of your stay, wagner, on the territory of belarus . Well , first of all, i think that this is significantly voiced the increased number of mm for such plusminus e is according to estimates, no more than 5,000 people, this is exactly the kind of local people, it was better, you are more of a problem that is now in belarus, and control according to this formula is in poland, not in ukraine, and this is lukashenkos problem. Russian fighters who at one time came from egypt and were forced to relocate together with their families, those military formations moved to jordan when there is a military formation in your territory. Subordinated, problems with Law Enforcement agencies and the local population begin, and this is it, first of all, and secondly, some political processes begin, because people are active. The monarch who was reigning on the throne at the time ended with the fact that they were simply evicted, so let lukashenko worry because he began to say correctly that they do not work for free they are just lying, in fact they are mercenaries who need money lukashenka doesnt have that kind of money, they have some churches in africa , latin america, in the middle east , well, by no means written out. Therefore, it is still a base for preparing for the relocation of the wagnerites to those countries where they signed contracts and maybe maybe some of them are really trying to pass on combat experience to the belarusian fighters, but what is it to pass on combat experience, what experience can these fighters pass on . Maneuvers. They took part in meat assaults. If this is a modern tactic, then let them pass on their experience with him. Thank you, mr. Generals. It was Major General of the Security Service of ukraine in reserve viktor yagun. We work live on the espresso tv channel and also on our youtube platforms. And on facebook for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, please like our video and you can vote in our poll today it sounds like this does ukraine need diplomatic relations with belarus yes no and we we are still friends and your answer option well, perhaps our next guest will also respond to our survey and give an answer about diplomatic relations with belarus Oleksandr Khara expert on foreign and Security Policy issues of the center of Defense Strategies diplomat mr. Oleksandr i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air im also glad to see you, and my answer is that it was necessary to develop it once upon a time , but in this case, when this diplomatic disease in quotation marks has dragged on for so long, after all, its not too late and whats holding back your ukrainian side that for a very long time we recognize them, and we have diplomatic relations. Well, we do not recognize lukashenka himself since his pseudoelection, but what is holding us back, for in the event of a break in diplomatic relations , what can we lose . Of the largescale invasion, we had diplomatic relations with the Russian Federation, and representatives of the authorities explained to us that there was no need to break diplomatic relations, because then we would not be able to protect the rights and interests of the ukrainian natural persons and legal entities, although this was absolutely untrue, because diplomats can only use the legal field of ukraine, which institutions are there in order to protect some interests. But russia is not a legal democratic state, and accordingly, our consul diplomacy could not protect the interests of our cooperation you perfectly remember how they did not allow all our consuls to access the rights of the kremlin, this was a big problem , this is the first, second point, until we can be invested, they said that the break in diplomatic Relations Relations means that access to the this is a very strange situation. Why do we need, well, in fact, formal representations , since it is not really possible, our diplomats cannot work there, you can imagine how the kdb monitors every step and every call our diplomats and of course that they cannot meet with pensioners who are not there or the released media who are not there or try to solve something with the same ukrainian children who were illegally transported to belarus with the Russian Federation and we already have all the legal grounds for that on february 20 and 24, last year, Russian Troops crossed the ukrainian and belarusian border, belarus actually became the aggressor country, the resolution of 331474 , which defines what constitutes aggression and actually giving its territory to a third country for an attack on another state, these are the facts of aggression, that is, it took place, and then it seems to me that it was necessary to immediately develop diplomatic relations , well, to hope that somehow we can restrain mr. Lukashenko from the fact that he took part in the war with his soldiers. It seems to me that this is an unequal idea because first of all, he is not there and understands what untrained , unprepared military personnel who, lets say, cross the cantball , they will be destroyed. This is the first and secondly that their motivation is much less than that of the russians. Do they understand the essence of this conflict . It is not belarus, we are not launching an attack, and it is clear that, in this way, it will even further reduce , lets say, its part of its power , because it is actually standing in the way of the russian military, its military road accidents , of course, it cannot rest on the support of the belarusian citizens, therefore, and from the point of view the complex explains that he can do something about aggressive political ukraine. This is wrong from the point of view that we did not react to the facts of aggression. From the point of view that they actually transported cells is also a very important factor. Actually, i think that in kyiv it would be necessary to decide and start helping to create a thorny opposition collection. We have a basis this is the kalinovsky regiment, these are people whose word we wanted to protect not only ukraine, but the future of a free belarus. Hence, in the disappearance of them and other oppositionists , if only as a pedal boy can create enough which because of, well, later, simply welding welding costs such a belarus to a democratic country well, but before belarus turns into a democratic country, in principle, belarus turned into a large military base of the Russian Federation and similar. On the same base, a new plant for the production of shaheeds, which the belarusians want to build together with iran, will be built. Yesterday, belarusian defense minister khrenin arrived in iran for a meeting with his iranian colleague. Region of belarus, the gomel region, it is a neighbor of ukraine and Chernihiv Region , it is clear that the factory for the production of iranian drones is another field, another threat, such a wide threat to on the Northern Front of ukraine, why, according to you, mr. Oleksandr, is the world reacting rather sluggishly to the sanctions against lukashenka , sanctions are being introduced there, but they are not as tough as in relation to the Russian Federation, what is holding the world back, or is ukrainian diplomacy underdeveloped, or should we insist on this more . You mentioned the children who were deported to the territory of belarus, and there were reports that 1,350 children were taken there from the territory of ukraine. Why is lukashenko not there all the time . To the bloodthirsty duo of murderers. By the way, the fact that our children are there is illegal. It is absolutely appropriate to add lukashenkas surname to the list of war criminals of putin and belov. And how come i dont remember him from the second part of the last name, and by the way this is what the belarusian oppositionists who are in ukraine are demanding. Of course, the language of lviv is , by and large, an economic miracle, even before the war, and now belarusians continue, it is based exclusively on russian money , before russian energy, and therefore of course in order to hurt this regime, it is necessary to hurt the russian regime more, brother, and of course, in this sense, it is , lets say, an absolutely normal goal of ukrainian diplomacy to insist on reducing the style assessment of oil prices from 60 to 50 dollars. European tankers in order for them to sell their oil. Unfortunately , this primarily concerns greek shipowners. Well, of course, it is important that they do not have the opportunity to sell their tankers of the Russian Federation, then it will make it much more difficult to export russian oil. I think it is extremely important that my colleague Andriy Klymenko says that the black sea and the black sea flats of the Russian Federation have become the main exporters of russian oil, with grain being transferred more then to the baltic ports, and actually here ee constitution on oil and of course that the blocking of this channel of russian oil well by the same way that there is a soap hazard as the Russian Federation creates such e threats and in particular well literally today yesterday on on the black sea beach of turkey, several russian ones were found, of course, i think that this stopped a little the flow of followers of the Russian Federation. To be included in the european, american or any ports of the countries of the free world. Of course, this would affect belarus as well, and about the plant conditionally and now the entire life of the military infrastructure of belarus is a legitimate salt for ukrainians militarily, i think that if some drone of the belgorod peoples republic strikes the infrastructure of belarus with a temporary lukashenka, then it will be correct. You mentioned the black sea and how russia currently manages the black sea water area. The ships arrived at ee ukrainian ports despite the blockade of the Russian Federation, the ships belonged to israel, greece , and one was a turkishgeorgian company , the owner of this ee ship, according to