Lets see, eliminate him from the political field, so whats it like to live with a government that kills its political opponents. Unseen from moscow . Why the southern space of warnings by nato officials about a russian attack over the next few years. What does a know . We done . On the color slick of welcome to come fix on it. So its its march, its time for president ial elections in russia of id me a put in one. So face time, thatd be a map was and always gets what he wants is this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. Yes, so this is one more step to choose absolute power. But so when were asking our sales where it was 20 points for she seems as a decrease machine logic because the development of his interview was somewhere in the year 2020. When he told the referendum about some of the med, most of the constitution, both of may think about 0 and copious prison essential terms. And now she is over to the president. And the after is that all the doors were open for any steps. Functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22. Unfortunately of nevada means the same year 2020 it doesnt have much to do with democracy. It does it. These elections even mr. Perkins spokesman. Dimitri pest golf, tell the New York Times last year, president ial election isnt really a democracy. Its a costly bureaucracy. So why bother with this show . Because so this one more attempt to, to demonstrate to the majority of the rough can population that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the pretense initiatives and the system ports and events. Minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities as they can to influence anything cause this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports proteins. So nothing to do with this political system. We cant change. And i think because of that, so this election starts to know significant is the same times as this one more really rounds aflac. Why not to, to repeat this kind of really and to refresher as a legitimacy or for you to correct. Oh, credible candidates of being eliminated way before the polling stations opened bar . Its not just in the anti war candidate. He was disqualified by the states because some traction for awhile. Was he a, a threat . Was he didnt thats right. An edition with squares attracted to the public who was liberal views and youre down in the rush or millions of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western the anti portion of the vision of the world. And because of that, and addition was kind of a fault for just people wednesday sun and its pushing it and it was understandable, thats a criminal decide. Its not till ocean to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes, consolidation around putting in a case of getting, i dont know, 56, given 10 percent of it man into it. It could means that the paternity is not the only one who is the producer. So the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda, not to mention the 10s of case. And that just include demonstrates enter your agenda via television and the code. So shake because of use. So for the majority, which is still not connected to the to be set. So, so with no, they decided not to, not to risk you from that slide risk. Im alexa and nobody that in a prison camp in the optic circle, once he ever really elect, true threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him. Were never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. The only didnt have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. But so when she does participate in the year 2013 during must goes to my ears elections. He was extremely efficient, astonishingly efficient for kremlin. And after the items they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. So if it was a real threat to pushing them to some moment to moment to the needs of pasta, the whole political process reduced, busy. Now this is, it is fine between the fall knee and approach him and is that sense even being can prison . That when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field, but its the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for, for that part of the population. And because of that, it was important to, lets see, eliminate him from the political field. Do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. So having time in germany, do you by that story . Of we dont know the truths may be well, no, no its but it looks like a little simple story. And in that sense, simple, it was not a coincidence that she was, lets say, maybe killed maybe by some, maybe something else. So we have to wait for some results. So for his team or research true, maybe is the gym to clear up some good deals. And i found this, ronnie is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. You wouldnt seriously argue with that, would you i would say likely. So the experience of this regime demonstrates that it is possible a, lets remember, is a case of st policy or in any other cases and put in the several times. Repeat it to you are anxious, courier that the my pets, realty color oriented order again, since people do that, but these and because of that among people with uh, lets say liberal views, there is no doubt that nobody put the keels. Uh no, we dont have the controls if evidence of it so, but the feeling is very strong. Come on russian Civil Society. We know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listened to a government assassin describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about me. Little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the im being recorded by him at the time. So nobody is going to believe any government denials of a underscore. Uh, you know what i mean . So what do we mean by nobody to . Because of the majority still prefers to believe freedom, the united official direction, or prefer us not to think about this. The horrible story. Yes. A lot of russians, they didnt know about the person, things they didnt know about the stuff now with all names are in this account on your arctic circle, but uh, the majority prefers not to boulder itself. Uh uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this for us in order to keep for themselves mentally normal. Um this of tomorrow, but the majority prefers not to know anything about. Uh, like, uh, uh, cuz you know, with his stay with his, uh, does this a threat cetera. And because of that, thats more about belief with disbelief amongst people with the normal view. So, democratic fused gregorian viper, im a lawyer at the human rights group. Memorial said, if they could kill nova on the baker, killed anybody else. If hes right, where does all this and all the kennings, all the political prisoners. Why does this and i know the real threat is to political prisoners. Im sure we dont have a political position in the appropriate sense of the words right now because of a high level of, for patients kyras in the, in names a substitute new new orleans of last year or so for his existence. And i, i, i would say that its, unfortunately, for instance, people like letting them cut them. It was a, or, yeah, yes, one could be under threats. And not everyone in dissidence community, but uh, the main of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. So for the looters are in prison. So for people who are in prison, so there is a real threat. I think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. How much of that more resistance is left in russia. And it gets treasure sorts of moral because as i said, political position isnt so efficient right now. And this is more about a moral resistance and about political resistance. This people can fight as they dont want to find for power. They dont have fully their asses, they dont have organizations which are totally liquidated by the regime. Even small in jewels, but the dose of the demonstrates as a funeral and around it didnt go straight to that. This Civil Society still here. We must be for a society such which is very different than the passive. And the full of call for him is and Civil Society, the society of responsible citizens who us to who for the best, who was a country whore in a permanent order. Because of this war, they demonstrated that they are here. It was actually a route step for people club for who were going to to the funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes policemen are coming to to the plants. So it was this people after a different kind of events, wolf, a funeral slave link flowers as a man, as a place, as of man, there we go for political repression, so cetera, et cetera. So if you want to see the so Civil Society of the rush, we can overcome. For instance, a website over the in for with the concrete statistics about persecutions about the criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions. Extrajudicial persecution spent a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens. But she resist Civil Society, which is still ready to resist and ready to at least to think of all the constitution think about. So its a responsibility, collective responsibility. You, you talked about values, legacy, id like to know how long you think it will last. Isnt it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition morrow or real refreshing work stuff and it progressions efficient . Yes. For precious work. But at the same time, no, this fatigue from room is also sheer. And in a case of a minor success for Civil Society and demonstration of what to use uh, some people cuz its a, its in corpus difficult for me. So they can shares of you sofa, and this actually if a Single Society activities, so in that sense or actually isnt hopeless and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when Minerals People were ready for changes when gorbachev k, when government were, which referred to the power ends as being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances kind of a single though must came from the very top and the was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. So the serious changes in russia are impossible. That right now, extraordinary efforts and youve outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that the authors keep adding to. We hear of teachers in schools reporting a 1011 year old pupils to the Security Police books, a band people arrested on the metro because they were reading something. But the fellow passengers didnt like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and brutality. And i suppose my question is, is the state really that in secure about its, hold on paul and its people, you know, its smarter bells Cell Development of russian style. All sorts here is my would say is this is not simply in a sort of terrorism. Is this more about a name . Its high, but its a tell it to it. And its the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. A private life of people you to want it wants to control, for instance, seaters repair to ours, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. But nevertheless, this societies mother in license, this is for them, well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more and more or less normal situation. And it looks us to print its some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such a strange hospitality around space. So yeah, is there a difference . The threats like denunciations from your competitor else, but nevertheless, it is still, it is still Civil Society and i can repeat it as not so hopeless and get the chance survives this period. But the, the space of deliberate to you for free to my scenario is this is through. But if you wants to do something, you can try. And some people are trying to, to write to articles, to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least, to talk about the Current Situation. Its, its not a sales, or its not help does it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appeared willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends. How destructive is that to the fabric of Russian Society destroys trust of the yes its true, its to the trust. Its not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. But some people simply prefer enough to talk with unknown persons. They prefer to talk to canal, so they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress for instance. And to say, i prefer not to discuss political issues. This is true. But you know, its the same time uh again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. For instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated buzz and know below ritz mentioned more about is the title going to be in the corporation . Was gonna butcher foundation and this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you, even in the circumstances. There was some problems with this magazine, but it is still in the fields. So why not to transfer this whole thing . Uh and uh, this it, it, it contributes a, some things i hope for the future. When we talk about hope, lets also talk about the war in ukraine, which has, of course, exacerbated the repression level. Good call fleeting. Russian sociologist says theres a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. Yes uh, is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology miss, so, so latrine and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. So they are trying to avoid problems for themselves, which means that as a full flip, say, double thinking of a pretending the ward doesnt exist. So they can to avoid the mentioning fee to thinking about the bolts is a trained not to do it publicly made is the same people but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. So Something Like that. But as a, a private spacing, their quizzes selected to us and some of your time. So they can discuss freely the Current Situation with the core, with the some assessments which are not public. Lets see, this is more about privates assessments private life. So this is more about double thinking. You said, recent pay that pretend has made clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. That argument gives has, is him, is rational, his way to maintain power. Does put in one fact war and youll view oh yes, she wants me. Shes the main initiator, im sure, is that, and is this personal, this decreasing, put in was the main source of, of this war was this idea. Ology, which justifies for the russian id, was a nation, atlanta in nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. The very archive that deals to the, to the, to tradition, send us spiritual values, etc, etc. And she must in advance of the google for the society. So its just not coping is more capitalism and they invented some travelling, this permanent for, it was the best, the best was also taking us. So we must defense our sales. And even though were expansion expansions, this is kind of, it is, this is more about defense. And uh, the reason the reports reese, im sorry to interrupt you, reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the Baltic States and finland. And people have spoken. Officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. How plausible do think that these things is suspicious. P. R. O to be so then to to, to, to, to look so mighty, so impressive. Uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create i am, shes a political philosophies. This is a part of russia for sure. And she wants to get to as transferred, as he says, so this territories. And she doesnt care about voltage states for any length or, or pulled this as a loop service. In my opinion, she will not have enough resources for one more flank, one more front. Uh, she simply wants to continue. This permanent port was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time, in the practical terms and apply it to her. And she doesnt want to to take the for instance, baltic stays because it will mean the real world was native. It was really much more serious. Thats just sort of a tuition blueprint. Doesnt need to look week to russia to put in a not. So we could, but to what was this very majority. It was a society which in looks like a strong man, coolly cruise equal to tomato, nice. It was more of both a human show for the main enemy, United States of america, nathan in europe, is kind of sits alliance of uh, of nato, in the ends of United States. You said last months that despite old a new career se but rattling, but weve heard from fulton, they dont want the afraid of nuclear war. What makes you so sure of that jose, and also as you settled, they must understand that. So youre gonna use those, the technical no ukes could be suicidal for uh for say a regime for the country. Uh they want to leave for they want to enjoy this life and because of that. So yes, so the, so Nuclear Black mailings, you square, its impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because its presented to prevents as the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you. Correct . Yes. As a problem for actually. So thats a very conversations that talk about the nuclear work became such a lights, my talk, we can do it. Why not . This is a main danger to proceed the domestic public so that it is possible. This is a danger. A british historian wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies, dont bend, but they can break. Do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up the button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. Under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart . Now, you know, when were talking about this, the future ends, the behavior of our lights. Theyre behaving like that, according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is a slot. And in that sense, they hopelessly as they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh, putting them to his team. But uh, is there a Services Group digital. If its the next generation though, for petitions, they will have to take responsibility for the country for the European Security and this as an interest of the west, coca cola and interest mutual interest of the russians. It was said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0. This one a full account because the services, im not to the terminal. So the bills are full, russia thats v, like saying the value you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and youll view it exists in the, in the soul, southern brain. So for pro democratic russians as they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will count. 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