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Claims and espionage threats. Also on the day after major push back and delays, the u. K. Government passes a controversial wanted to port migrant to for one to a plan. It says will deter people from dangerous journeys across the english channel. Yeah. Just hours later, several are dead after board in a crowded boat will not save about stop because of this we will see more tests. We will see more dangerous risks being taken. Um, but yeah, it definitely werent active, its a tire and nothing else has. So i dont think, i dont know why people are thinking that this well welcome. Across western europe, anxiety about chinese aspiring is growing a man working for a Prominent German politician from the far right. A f d party has been arrested. Prosecutors accused him of passing on information from the European Parliament where he worked since 2019 and spying on the time he is opposition abroad. Now this is just a day after 3 germans were arrested on suspicion of handling over technology with potential new look for you. Locations a gym and prosecutors say gen g e can. We can fully named repeatedly post on information to china, about confidential discussions with the European Parliament gym and media report say this involves debates on security and defense, implications of chinas influence of the use critical infrastructure. And hes also accused of spying on people in germany who are opposed to the chinese government. The german citizen has been working as an aid to maximilian crime. He sits in the European Parliament for the fall of rice, a f d party. Cross said he had no prior knowledge of the rest of his staff member. He promised if the allegations prove true, genji would be fine on the European Parliament to mediately suspended the leg spy. Some say tough images, i need it. Its really time that we have a thorough investigation and information. What is going on there, that the so called petri costs are, you know, showing how weak they are in terms of taking money from auto crowds, from all over the world. We come to jim and chance little up show and visited china. Gemini, has seen several arrests over suspected espionage. But you, im an interior minister says the latest case is significant. The father for this, you know, the accusations of espionage for china are very serious. And if it turns out to be true that this espionage took place from within the European Parliament, would it be an attack on the internal constitution of democracy in europe passed the types of democrats, he in the old process. China has so far officially denied any involvement in espionage, but as the you prepared for elections to its parliament in june. This incident will add to growing fee is the Democratic Institutions across europe, being targeted by foreign intelligence agencies. Here to unpack all the increase of the story is our political correspondence. Simon young, simon. Good to see you again. Tell us more about what this man is accused of. Of the. Yeah, i have a the man arrested today is jim and citizen gen g. And as he said, he is an aide to maximilian cross who is a member of the European Parliament at full the far right a half day alternative to germany, a party. And what hes accused of essentially is pulsing information from internal European Parliament discussions back to china. And theres also been the claim that he was involved in spying on a Chinese People living in jem and a. So im maximillian crawl says that he knew nothing about any of this the 1st year of it was from press reports on tuesday morning. But he did also cite a statement that spying for a foreign state would be a very serious matter. And if these allegations are proved to be true, it would result in the termination of g n gs contract. And remind me of and reporting that crowd was on german securities radar because of his earlier links to china. What more can we say there as well . I didnt. Yeah, absolutely. The meeting today is theyve been ongoing allegations of links between the sd and russian circles. And you know, this is just one more chapter in that. So i think the intelligence authorities have been concerned for a long time the, these kind of relatively new fall right populous policies are particularly vulnerable to the intelligence efforts in spying espionage by socratic states. And you know, these links with china and russia seem to confirm that assignment is really not typical. Is it that you see this kind of arrest in germany let alone the day after 3 other germans were rested on spying obligations . Yeah, its already being an extraordinary week in terms of uh, you know, allegations of chinese espionage. As you said, uh, just on monday, the 83 german citizens were arrested. The accused of a trying to obtain military information about military technologies and passing that back to chinese intelligence. And so, you know, arrest perhaps a rare because its said that the chinese, the approach has been relatively cautious in the past. But i think good Domestic Intelligence services here in germany at any rate have been warning for quite a while at that. The chinese are willing to use illegal methods to, to promote their ambitions politically, militarily and economically. And what else does this case tell us then about about how to sign a gathers intelligence on democracies like germany or . Well, i think the ortiz believe, as i said, that, you know, these kinds of policies, populace parties are susceptible to this kind of infiltration. And i think what this throws off as perhaps having generally at least a debate about a need for types of screening when it comes to a problem entry aids. And theyve also been allegations that theres a lot of links between the parliamentary aids here and the bonus tag, and the far right seen. So i think that will, that will be one of the big things coming out of this case. Simon, thank you. As always, that is our political correspondent, assignment young the council of europe. Human Rights Commission has condemned new legislation in the u. K. That will radically overhaul its a silent policy. The bodys human Rights Commissioner michael fire to urge the u. K. Not to remove people under the policy warning, it infringes under additional independence. The bill was passed by the British Parliament and well allow deportations of Asylum Seekers to for one to just after midnight. The 2 year legal impala meant to be stay all night ended with this vote in the house of commons, the i to the right, 312. The news to the last 237. So the, i have it the, i have it. Its a country national, know that is divided opinion in britain and the cost unit as well as in the one to some see it as an economic opportunity. I think it to be good for the Mission Close to getting but in theres no nothing that is better than human copy to quote us, were very grateful to receive the in progress from the u. K. Because this will support the countries development. Im not sure its correct to the hosting them as an opportunity to us, as for wanda, is because they have skills which still share with us. So you understand that this is a profit for us of is look at it from an ethical and Historical Perspective of it. Why 2 and one is history. We had many refugees kindly as a result of the genocide against the to the right. And we got help from the neighboring countries. So we support the refugees that the 2 because we understand deeply its good for them to come on and good for us to host them on the la hotel. Now in england. And others like this man who wished to remain anonymous and not so sure where youre going to find that goes for these people. Who uh, so the like weve been graduated but weve noted that you had the jobs, we are out there searching for jobs, british Prime Minister of issue. So next i is the 1st deportation slide, but just a few weeks away. And with immigration, a key issue among voters in europe. Its likely that other governments let me keeping a close eye on the policy success or failure. Lets get across to london for more on the story from our correspondence, charlotte edge. How some. How charlotte can you clarify for our viewers, how the government expects this to work . What happens when Asylum Seekers arrive and wonder, for example . Yeah, well this is going to impacts people who have arrived in the u. K. Illegally. Uh, they will be sent to us, a selection of those will be sent to everyone to where theyll have the assignment claims process. Now what is the key to this . The entire legislation is, is the flight the take home full essentially be a one way tickets. Even if aside and claims are submitted in rwanda, this has been sent will have no right to return to the case. Not really is what is, what is key to this . Now we know that theres been a lot of legal challenges through this legislation. The supreme courts indeed found that it was previously a law for one of the risks that they highlighted about sending these Asylum Seekers Illegal Migrants to, for one. That was that they faced the risk of being returned to that home countries where they may, for example, face persecution. The government though, uh, says that it is address that it signed a new tracy with rwanda, which it says addresses that specifically. And we have heard condemnation from Rights Groups that this policy is in humane. What are their concerns specifically . Absolutely, and i think the critics of this legislation, this was the moment that they had been dreading, and they argued that this is in humane and immoral. There are concerns, they say that this is a breaching at International Human rights obligations. And there are many people as well who look at this and look at how expensive it is going to be. And really question whether or not it is going to work for those who are full they. So the government that case, that making is that this will act as a deterrent. They pointed square example today to the case again, a number of people making the very dangerous johnny across the channel who lost the lives saying that is exactly what this legislation is designed to prevent his cases like best as the counselor argument to that those that, that should be all the measures in place that prevents people making these crossings that this legislation isnt necessary. So, so with that in mind that the government intends for this to be a means of deterrence. An important consideration to take into account is, does this kind of policy actually deter people from coming as well as on tested steps . So it not yet clear that suddenly what the government is arguing, but it is also, it was pointing out since the stress of this has been naming for 2 years, 2 years since this was 1st postponed and uh, this year that have been an increasing number of people still willing to make that very dangerous, johnny and critics, this legislation will say, these are people who are prepared to risk the lives, the threats of being sent through a one day, particularly in the numbers of people that the small numbers of people that we seem to be talking about at the moment is not going to be enough to, to tie them in once again today, the, the very sad case of these people who lost their lives is, is a poignant reminder of the risks that people are willing to take to make this crossing because this is on tested, do you think that other governments are going to be watching to see how this policy plays out . Will there be International Implications for this while other countries in europe, and indeed the us that or looking at how to deal with illegal migration. Uh, and indeed the un today, and its a combination of this policy policy said it was concerned that it would set a dangerous precedent a globally well will be key, of course to this is whether or not it is effective and that is still what remains to be seen if indeed when these uh clients do start to title that tell us a little bit more about that. Weve heard Prime Minister risky. So next saying, he expects deportations to begin in 10 to 12 weeks with those identify for the 1st flight due to be detained as early as this week. Is that a realistic timeline . As a Prime Minister was very clear and what he said, he essentially said nothing is going to stop this from happening. He has to state to his premier ship on this. This is a key policy, it will be key policy for him. So failure, protecting. And whats expected to be an election year. It isnt really an option. It clear that you can understand why there is some skepticism he had initially said clients would be taking off in the spring not clearly hasnt happened. This legislation was very delayed. There were a lot of legal back to link it back to uh, in parliament as well. So skepticism about about that and then just looking for it as well at how it went slides to take home, how long this policy will stay in place. So the opposition label how to expect it to win the next election very against. Its charlotte, thank you so much for that. That is our correspondent charlotte chosen pill in london. And the United States protests against as well as war and gaza, have spread to University Campuses across the country. We ignited a long standing to be over how to balance Public Safety and free speech at New York University alone. More than a 100 people were arrested at an overnight protest. The University Said police were called asked for some protesters breached a barricade. Another New York School Columbia University is giving students the option of online instruction. After some students reported feeling unsafe on campus. And a protest gripping Us College Campuses are just the latest example of how the war and casa is inflaming Public Opinion and countries around the world. In the us, most divisions are being watched, especially closely in this election year. Some pundits are even saying that president ial bidens position, which was unpopular among many democratic voters who would cost him the election in the United States, has historically been a strong supporter off as well. It was the 1st to recognize the stage when it was founded in 1948. However, the high number of civilian deaths in the war into his eyes, sparked a heated debates and fueled a shift in Public Opinion. I dont want people to even call it is real. I ran a call it netanyahu and his cronies. Because im sure there are a lot of good people in is real. Im on know team, but just for it. And i think the, its the us as job to encourage there to be a ceasefire over there and stop supporting the word and subbing weapons and stuff over there. How do you disagree with them . Adult though, because the reg prep is ition, take a mazda is just going to track them again down in with tech, talking to instagram, and we get a lot of 1st hand accounts of everything thats happening. So we dont have to rely on just the news. Give us the information. The media plays a significant role in shaping Public Opinion, and Sarah Allison from the washington post, the media expert explains how various Media Outlets are discussing the war. At the outset, most of the american coverage on Mainstream Television outlets was really focused on the original attack overtime and weve seen, you know, as the as rarely assault on gaza has gone on for months and months. There is more attention across all platforms on the humanitarian crisis in gaza and the civilian casualties. What weve seen in calling is that there was a real generational divide. Now that is, that is opening up an older americans, people who have an actual memory of the holocaust or whose parents were involved in the holocaust. Still feel a real commitment and a real obligation to support israel. Younger generations have only known a strong israel and it israel who wins. War is the current trend continues. It stands to reason that that will decrease overtime because our contractors also expose divisions with in the political landscape, especially with in the democratic policy. While 51 percent of democrats say is ro has gone too far. Only 11 percent of republicans agree. 38 percent of democrats are in support to reducing aid for israel, while only 10 percent of republicans want this reduction is president biden. Doesnt soon find the way to push is riley Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to do more, to minimize civilian casualties. These riley bombard him off guys, or who would very likely cost him his re election. Potentially bringing a president back to the white house for home suffering and gaza, maybe even less for his unwavering support for is lets get across to washington dc for some perspective and speak to us politics analyst list shaka was welcome. On monday, joe biden made his 1st public remarks on these protests across College Campuses across the United States in this very sensitive political moments. And we heard him calling them anti semitic. Is that the reaction that you would expect from the us president s to july has been incredibly strong on it. So 40 is real odd and keeping a watchful eye on protests and calling out where it is and ties to medic. So having known some present by his past reactions to this, im not at all surprised. He called this out. There is a lot of footage and a lot of information still coming out of these protests. So i think it is a very complex situation. But if hes saying that hes seeing that, im not surprised, he would call it out where he sees it. Now weve said that this, this is causing divisions within the Democratic Party. The issue of his role is war in gaza when the democrats are looking ahead to november. What are they thinking in terms of strategy . It how to approach these campus protests is absolutely, i mean, every thing at this point is heading towards november. I think theres going to be a huge question with in the Democratic Party wanted. They do not want a heated, contested convention in the late summer early fall. Which theres been a lot of parallels drawn to 1968 already. Which was a very heated content convention for the democrats and ended up losing the presidency. They need to go into the fault unified. That balance of how do we unify needs to be also with whos actually coming out and voting for us, whos getting folks to the polls and what there would be all there really huge issues at stake here, bite and has hammered time. And time again, writes on when it is central to his strategy. And just today, you know, its a huge push on Climate Change. He has done more and then almost another president on addressing Climate Change on addressing investment and infrastructure. So hes gonna have this real trick key balance of yes, we need to talk about the divisions within the party. We need to take seriously folks that are willing to get out their door and protest. Well, also when youre standing, there is a lot outside of this one issue at stake with the selection to have these major issues, which will certainly play a huge role in the elections Climate Change um immigration is another one. Of course, im curious though, how, how much generally Foreign Policy issues typically wait on the minds of us voters when they go to the polls. As im somebody whos passionate about Foreign Policy, passionate about the transatlantic alliance, and it breaks my heart a little bit to say every time president ial comes around, it is not ever a tough issue for voters soldiers, 1st and foremost, always think with their pocketbooks. How does the economy feel . How does their salary possibly deal . And then we see no real force since 20202018 of women. You know, were seeing women switch sides. Were seeing women for the 1st time voting because of the attacks on women. And these tend to trump for lack of a better word for it policy. So i think it was a chance. This is such a particular tinderbox of soda or engagement around this specific issue. But i never too hopeful that Foreign Policy and understanding the newer nuances of Foreign Policy are ever that much of a sway on american motors. Do you think this is an issue that could died down by the time november rolls around and, and just to follow up a little bit. I mean, this is clearly has been an issue that ignited passions. Do think that biden has done enough to convince voters within his party who are seriously worried about the plight of the palestinians. The question is and, and again it gets to a, has he done enough to convince them hes taking it seriously . He has, hes, hes a call for an immediate cease fire, which was one of the initial um, the pushes keys of had continued intense conversations with netanyahu. About were read lines are about those focusing on humanitarian approaches, reducing civilly and casualties. What he really needs to convince is voters that they should get out in the vote that is important to continue building for him. I think the Biggest Issue to this election for the voter apathy and how do you make sure that theyre gonna stick with him even though that this is a hard time understanding. Hes still working on it and its worth investing in another 4 years. Thank you. So much for sharing your insights with us. That is, wasnt focused in washington dc. Thank you all to and that is our show for today. Dont forget you can follow or 2 months social media at dw news and hit the latest headlines youre after. Theres always our website is dw dock. Com. Im sorry richardson in berlin for me and the whole team here. Thank you so much for watching. The farmers are protesting around the world Climate Change subsidies and competition from imports threatening their livelihood. How can the worlds supply be secured into the winners and losers . The actor cultural business of the future made in germany next on d. W. In good shape. These are the typical signs for an allergy. What exactly is the police doing . 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