Im, it goes prime, or the geopolitical arrival is busy and expanding its Global Insurance at the philip drilled summit. Is the us having too many balls to juggle . Thats one quote. Shampooed to an altima to be the ones to reap the benefits. Go down to the point we ask. So the fall on the street, how many people the conflict . The us . Copeland, the hello and welcome to to the point. Im you shop. How do i sign in here in belin . Let me quickly introduce my guess to we have because along the he is a senior fellow to munich, security, confidence on pharma, chief of staff, of the job in ministry of defense. Next on the bottom of joseph drama. He is a political on the list on the europe and director of the trial after the commission of Global Platform for dialogue between call europe and asia. And we have suit hard, david webb, she is a senior fellow and divisional director of the german and marshall and fund in but a very involved both them to you or thank you for joining so that there is the middle east crisis right now. Then we also have ukraine and russia, and then we also have china, taiwan, which of all of these crisis is something that bothers us the most, which is the most dangerous one where they need to focus most at the moment. But i think unfortunately all 3 are inter connected and there is an issue where the u. S. Has to Pay Attention to all 3. 00 crises in the world, hopefully together with allies, because without doing it together with partners, the us will probably at some point and is already feeling overstretched. I think there was an expectation that europe will do more for ukraine eventually, especially as the u. S. Enters and election here. The middle east is focusing a lot of energy of, for the Us Administration right now. And thats, weve seen this, you know, playbook in the past. Many us presence get embroiled in middle east policy. But i think at one point present, bide, will have to pivot towards his re election. May go to us, has been of shooting away from the middle east for some time and focusing more on china and bus. If it would now be was feel the need to focus more on the middle east. What do you say that they are back in the role of global shed of as well as we can clearly see is when the us started to retreat from certain areas of the world situation got worse. One of the reasons is that the europeans been not capable of filling the gap themselves. But now we see america has to be a decisive factor in many uh, crisis that we have your pin unity when it comes to supporting your training construction. The question is which youve made of the bypass industry. So its a lot a new chief went up to your plants themselves, but i agree with sort of, i mean, if the u. S. Has to dedicate so many resources to the conflicts we are talking about. I think the europeans have to step up, especially when it comes to supporting ukraine. And we have not, not observe us. And as a dramatist interest are in europe, they are in the middle east. They are in asia. So germany cannot expect the u. S. Helping to fulfill germanys interest germany has to get involved. So if i could just also clarify before you go to joseph, and the reason that all 3 of these countries are interconnected is because theyre all the front lines of democracies and very dangerous areas. And its in the United States interest as well as partners to defend Democratic Values and also to try to all pulled an already stressed International Rules based international order. Joseph, would you say it was a strategic mistake to disengage from the middle east within them . I think so, and we sent signals of witness, but may have in bold and the one or the other dictator. I mean, when bulk obama, we all loved him, but he drew a red line in syria and it turned out to be a pink line. You know, thats not how to turn to work. So you said if you use chemical weapons, we will. And so no. And so from washington, the withdrawal from afghanistan and didnt look have right to other its harder for us. So they, they may not be forgiven, but the, they may have calculated americas weak, has problems to defend its own democracy. We may have to talk about trump and and frontline of defending democracy. I think thats in america because we all depends on the america. So the russians, the chinese and all the others cannot do to us what america is doing to itself right now. So thats the biggest problem. So add everything together, then we dont have to god, you know, through based order, which has to be america. And we have to live in a world now that has been described as tight. And brenda we woke up, we woke up late, but hopefully we stay awake and not dream or sleep walk into the next crisis is woke up late, but finally woken up. So at the moment the middle east seems to be the top priority for the Us Government. The us wants to ensure that the conflict does not escalate beyond garza. Its a dangerous trip at a highly explosive time. The west president is visiting israel with a clear message. I want you to know youre not alone. Youre not alone. This is advertised earlier. We will continue to have israels back, as you were to defend your people. Us diplomacy is in full swing. Israel cuts are saudi arabia, egypt, secretary of state antony blinking, is touring the middle east to mediate and to find solutions. Under discussion is also the precarious situation of the palestinians trapped in the gaza strip. In cairo, the us and egypt are discussing how to get aid from egypt into gaza without triggering of fear to mass exodus into egypt itself. At the same time, america is sending clear military signals. It is moving fighter jets and more warships to the region. Above all, the move is about the turns not only for home us, but also for other terrorist organizations supported by iraq, such as has beloved 11 on most recently u. S. Peace efforts had focused primarily on reconciliation between saudi arabia and israel. But the war is now re shuffling the cards and them at least can the us preventive broader war flaring up in the region. So now your thoughts and that can be us really prevent setting up the War Industries and can bite and really contin this. I mean, right now, President Biden, the us is still the leading force in the world, the leading power, the leading edge them on and present binding must do something to try to stop a coastal duration of the middle east. But he can only do it also with partners to counsellor schultz was also in egypt on the way to barrow buck is, was also in the middle east. So it is in our interest to make sure that the stability can be achieved. But 1st and foremost, israel does need to react to what happened last week and how much is sort of discredited self as a party to negotiate with the come off must be dismantled and israel has the right to exist. But certainly the hope is that eventually theres 2 state solution to get back on track. And a, you know, a warming of relations between saudi arabia and israel can move forward. But 1st, the hostages need to be released. And israel also has to make a statement. And not let what happened last week go on answer since you mentioned shows how well the to was its different shows of and vitamins when it comes to the outcomes. Well, i mean, 1st off because of the horrible tragedy what the hospital President Biden was not. I didnt get the opportunity to meet with the boss and with other are leaders of chancellor schultz managed to meet have a meeting in egypt. So, but i still think that what the us does, what it signals comes 1st and the europeans usually fall in line. Or there may be nuances that would maybe help the situation. But for the most part, i think you are and the us must try to remain in lock step just as they have done with ukraine. Gum us continue, the task of mediation of the audibly does refuse to meet with. I think so. Um, i mean the situation about the, the, the tragedy when it comes to the hospital is myakea now and i think the combination of sending a Carrier Strike group and sending diplomats of is the right one. And its only do us can provide does. Unfortunately, we do as europeans, we do not have those instruments at our disposal. That is our weakness. We have to work on as the distinction between the temporal organization. Hum us and the error of population in guys. I think its very important. Unfortunately, we in germany, im not good enough in making that distinction of sofa. What ive seen from the us is something i think that could be helpful and we have to see it say its early. But so far as working during hezbollah, from joining uh, the war against east, what i think is the most important, immediate issue. Many product developments will develop on that. And so far, i think the us as setting the right to them there, spit out about 2000000 civilians in gauze and half of which children is to you was working on getting go humanitarian caught it. All for them are doing that. But what is more important is that there are not more of that. So to keep a bows his ball are out of the war and the run. So the clear signal, the terence, its important as bad as it is right now. It could be a lot worse, so thats, thats the most important. So this doesnt enlarge. And then us are the only credible boys who can do both assure security. They are the security guarantee or even if it, israel, i mean, who would have sought that israel would be surprised like that . I mean the, this, this has been amazing to many of us, so it needs america. But america is own only the other for who can also say, dont overdo it, dont make the same mistake as we did off the 911. So military forces, not the only solution. I mean by know is what americans are talking about it. So if we did that, we would have a problem, especially we in germany, but america is credible on that one. I think if, if somebody manages its the american president , theyve gotten his health would, would allow for that present in fine. Did just that. I mean, he talked about israels right to self defense, but also differentiated between the hallmarks of the palestinian people. And also mentioned that you know, there has to be who main way to let civilians cross. And so i do think that President Biden has also told israel, dont let revenge consume you. Think about what your next steps are. And i do think that President Biden still wants to somehow achieve a 2 state solution. Dont forget, present 5 and president obama didnt have the best relationship of not yahoo. And so i do think the President Biden loves israel, but is also aware of the different tires that are on the table. And hes best with his experience. Hes the best person we have to try to get him some stability back into the body to, to eat is still not treating that as before and theyre working on it. I mean, i know that theyre working on it as well. Right . There is a constant shuttle diplomacy going on right now, and hopefully there will be a break through now, a lot of explicit saying that if a ground defensive, which has planned, if that happens, thats probably not a very good idea. Is it too late, or can it still be stopped . We dont know what the idea is really planning. I think they are doing well no telling anybody the grounds, so the ground defensive as an assumption. And from a strictly Military Point of view, the ground defensive and the density populated area is always a very, very difficult, long and dangerous endeavor because it develops into 3 dimensional welfare. But the problem is, i think the thomas is using to civic population of the area of to avoid being hit by i d. S. And its i think a combination of special operations and drug abrasions that can maybe find a way around it. But lets be clear, this tetra tech on israel still needs from a point of view of the security of the story, which is also is on the top of germany. That needs to be an answer to that. And i share the view of id after time. Mazda is a terrorist organization, needs to be destroyed, to provide security for israel. And the question, how to have a distinction again, to separate the service from us and to population. That ones a, just a normal civil life is something that we did not Pay Attention enough to, i think also for the last the kids because they wouldnt be possibilities to organize a better life in gaza. They were different possibilities before, but how much was taking over the target these im not playing the role that they could have played. Maybe there is a way to transform this into a situation where, but alive as possible and goes off to this, the ground defensive and standing assumption. But if it were to happen with the us, the support is very financially and technically, of course, or theres no question about that. Thats what biden made clear. And if in that case is available to date goes up strip, then us would still continue. Sure. Okay, clear words . Im talking about the garden sentiment in the us. How well people in america looking at this . Well, i think the sympathy was very much with israel. Um, but of course, you know, there is a split in the Democratic Party to some degree. You do see people also in college campuses. Unfortunately, i think not necessarily looked having enough information and realizing the difference between the homeless and the palestinian people. And so i do think that the, the government, no matter republican or democrat, will always support israel, just like for germany, israel is an important, valuable partner for the United States. But i do think that the United States also would like to see a 2 state solution, no matter how, how hard it is that goal should not be given up. We may now obviously move backwards on that path. But hopefully, as nick along said, it may take a tragedy to try to get people to talk about this again. Or you want to not necessarily, but i mean, what policy makers want to do is one thing. I mean, its clear in germany and us, but the take out of states, you know, this abrams, of course, i think thats off the table. That right now, edwards, this is nicole calculation of im us of only at the expense of its own people to gain power was in, published in you for the territories of those. Thats there cynical, paul game and to destroy that piece of movement because they would be out of business. I mean, the war fighters, terrorist on a, not in a good position when there will be peace and arab states who have neglected, you know, the 2 state solution. I mean they, they werent really interested when you remember, we can leeks and what all of us they said, and then the not did. And now they have to be aware of that population, not only in homage, you have to be careful. What is it . Because theres so many people who do not differentiate, i mean in these regions of the world, i mean, the leaders have to be careful not to be swept away by this folks. So, so lets not be too optimistic about about peace solutions. Lets just contains a situation and, and avoid the a bigger was going to contain the situation and think carefully about what our contribution from a drug and into a pin point of view should be. Because, um yes, we are on the side of you. So it is very clear, yes. Do we have different magic possibilities and to transfer the show that show that with, with going to chiral. But at the same time it sounds better adults, but more support for ukraine. From the music, terry point of view could be exactly what the need it was. The focus of to us is necessarily very much on the middle east into us as the only one really would with the tools to achieve a solution in the, in the middle east. So its again the connection between between the different conflicts, but, but im convinced we need to step up now to support ukraine to diff biden more headspace to work also on other issues. And also to build a bridge to whats the result of discussion into us. I think if the europeans would contribute more and be on, i love it when it comes to health for your brain. Also, the whole argument for budget would be either within the next. Id like to come back to ukraine and a bit. The Us Government currently is not only facing challenges on the international front, but is also in competing significant holders and the domestic politics, particularly from the republicans as domestic politics, us person and fight and took office with the aim of reconciling a deeply divided society after the polarizing trump years, he wanted to bring the political camps closer together so far without success. There was chaos in the house of representatives. There were a bunch of disputes, and donald trump may well stand again as bidens, republican opponent, the ukraine war. The counsel offensive is threatening to become a bloody trench warrant. New funding for lessons to ukraine is being blocked by the domestic political turmoil. Power struggle with china. Here too. There was hardly any progress on delicate points of contention, such as ty, one more advanced technology. Despite so many crises, the us as a serving itself also with respect to the middle east and ukraine or the United States of america. For gods sake. The most powerful nation of the history is not in the history of the world. The history of the world. We can take care of both of these and still maintain our Overall International kelly, us manage multiple crises at once. So that can for us manage to was at the same time it has domestic issues to deal with as well. Sure. The United States can definitely manage the poly crisis world that we live in, but we cant do it alone. We need to do it with partners and also, and or a spot present. But it has to be careful, of course, about domestic sentiments because the American People are tired of these unless wars im ever since, you know, after George W Bush has been in office, america has shown more of a straight. But unfortunately, or fortunately, it seems clear that the United States has to maintain a presence, has to show deterrence. Otherwise the rules of the jungle will, you know, be sort of the rules that we have to contend with. So unfortunately, also be United States because everything actually is relatively going well. The economy is quite strong compared to other industrialized countries, but we seem to have be making our own goals because of our polarization and inability to Work Together in dc. And were seeing that playing out right now in the house of representatives. You were talking about you created. Now ukraine is concerned that the middle east crisis would have an impact on them and they might not get the Financial Aid that theyve been getting. Is the concern justified . I think their concern is about the combination of the specific situation and the political system in the us. And then on the approval of budgets and to the attention to us as no dedicating to the middle east and then ukraine. Its a very practical matter. Its not about Political Support because of all military support. And if m edition is running out of certain types of weapons are running out, then ukraine will have a weaker position in russia at the same time while we are talking is trying to gain the initiative to cease to initiative on the battlefield. Because they know that it is a problem for ukraine if the us report would not be there anymore. As we can see, we will see if the us will find a solution. There is talk about 100000000000 package that much include help for israel and for ukraine and other elements as well that could solve the situation. But to us as to elect to speaker for us than the time is running and russia is attacking that is the situation as we speak. So i think also that points to a necessity, that the europeans stepping up also took care for ukraine, more confidence in the situation because it changes to contributions clearly already on the russian side. Us of the republican guns are not able to agree on a speaker. How does that affect americans reputation across the world . Well, it shows that were paralyzed and were dysfunctional and washington because there is a lot of bipartisan consensus when it comes to ukraine. If you look at the senate, republicans and democrats both think that ukraine is in the national interest, and im, and the same goes with israel. I think in both chambers of the congress that support for israel is a must. But without having a speaker there can no laws can be passed, no money can be allocated towards these regions. And so were facing a situation where the us is looking like a Banana Republic when it comes to governing. If bartonville to dissolve one of these conflicts, how would that help him in the Upcoming Elections . I think he will try to tell soleski is he hasnt done so far. I think he has done so far to come to terms with some solution because by and doesnt want to have ukraine issue in the election. Its not only unpopular was republicans. Lets look at the front runners. Nobody wants to really defend ukraine. You have actually called a very, with a b, b worry about his house. You know, sometimes he had in the wrong movie. I mean, you hear reassured us in munich at the munich security conference, but he couldnt make a deal with event a speak of my car. So because they did you crying support out. And now the last deal they made, it was at the expense of ukraine. So ukraine is not an issue you run on to win an election in us. So dont be surprised if by nobody runs on farms the dental, i guess i would see some she yeah. But lets put it differently by and well try to get you crate out of the Electronic Campaign because he has a son who is still in the boorish mall and youll cry and mess and democrats dont want to have that. So im afraid you crane. Im sure i agree with you will be all problem. America is different problems, especially nice and china. Read and it just costs to crate it. And even if we say they have to come to terms that does not change the situation, the reality is shaped by the reality on the battlefield. We have last 10 seconds so that you have disagree. You have why. Nobody runs on Foreign Policy issues in the u. S. When it comes to projects on Kitchen Table issues, well be looking and enjoying. So trump, people will be running on that. And then this will make fighting to change. Thats position at the time because thats all the time we got. How many global conflict can be us really cool with . What do you think about it . If youre watching us on youtube to let us know your thoughts. 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