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Now make us primary geo political arrival as busy and expanding its Global Insurance at the philip drilled summit is the us having too many balls to juggle left one coat she and pulled an altima to be the ones to reap the benefits. Go down to the point we ask, so the follow on the street. How many people the conflict can be us . Colquitt, the hello, and welcome to to the point. Im you shop. How do i sign in here in belin . Let me quickly introduce my guess to you. We have the co longer. He is a senior fellow at munich, security, confidence on pharma, chief of staff, of the job and ministry of defense. Max on the bottom of joseph drama. He is a political on the list on the europe and director of the tri Electrical Commission of Global Platform for dialogue between a man call europe and asia. And we have sold hard david webb. She is a senior fellow and divisional director of the german and marsh refund in but its a very long bathroom to you or thank you for joining so that there is the middle east crisis right now. Then we also have ukraine and russia, and then we also have china, taiwan, which of all of these crisis is something that bothers us the most, which is the most dangerous one where they need to focus most at the moment. But i think unfortunately all 3 are inter connected and there is an issue where the u. S. Has to Pay Attention to all 3. 00 crises in the world, hopefully together with allies, because without doing it together with partners, the us will probably at some point and is already feeling overstretched. I think there was an expectation that europe will do more for ukraine eventually, especially as the us anders and election here. The middle east is focusing a lot of energy of for the Us Administration right now. And thats, weve seen this, you know, playbook in the past. Many us presence get embroiled in middle east policy. But i think at one point present, bide, will have to pivot towards his re election. Me go to us, has been of shooting away from them at least for some time and focusing more on china and plastic. But now be was feel the need to focus more on the middle east. What do you say about the back in the role of global shed of or so what we can clearly see is when the us started to retreat from certain areas of the world, the situation got worse. One of the reasons is that the europeans been not capable of filling the gap themselves. But now we see america has to be a decisive factor in many uh, crisis that we have your pin unity when it comes to supporting your training construction. The question is which youve made of the bottom of the industry. So its a lot of new chief went up to your plants themselves. But i agree with sort of, i mean, if the u. S. Has to dedicate so many resources to the conflicts we are talking about. I think the europeans have to step up, especially when it comes to supporting ukraine. And we have not, not observe us in this dramatist interest are in europe. They are in the middle east. They are in asia, so germany cannot expect the u. S. Helping to fulfill germanys interest germany has to get involved. So if i could just also clarify before you go to joseph, and the reason that all 3 of these countries are interconnected is because theyre all the front lines of democracies and very dangerous areas. And its in the United States interest as well as partners to defend Democratic Values and also to try to all pulled an already stressed International Rules based international order. Joseph, would you say it was a strategic mistake to disengage from the middle east within them . I think so, and we send signals of weakness that may happen. Bolden, the one or the other dictator. I mean, when bulk obama, we all loved him, but he drew a red line in syria and it turned out to be a pink line. You know, thats not how to turn to works, said if you use chemical weapons, we will. And so no. And so from washington, the withdrawal from afghanistan and didnt look like to other as part of the road. So they, they may not be forgiven, but the they may have calculated americas weak, has problems to defend its own democracy. We may have to talk about trump and on the front line of defending democracy. I think thats in america because we all depends on the america. So the russians, the chinese and all the others cannot do to us what america is doing to itself right now. So thats the biggest problem. So at everything together, then we dont have to god, you know, through based order, which used to be america, and we have to live in the world. Now that has been described this tight, and brenda we woke up, we woke up late, but hopefully we stay awake and not dream or sleep walk into the next crisis is woke up late, but finally woken up. So at the moment the middle east seems to be the top priority for the Us Government. The us wants to ensure that the conflict does not escalate beyond garza. Its a dangerous trip at a highly explosive time. The west president is visiting israel with a clear message. I want you to know youre not alone. Youre not alone. This is on for sided earlier. We will continue to have israels back, as you were to defend your people. Us diplomacy is in full swing. Israel cuts are saudi arabia, egypt, secretary of state antony blinking, is touring the middle east to mediate and find solutions. Under discussion is also the precarious situation of the palestinians trapped in the gaza strip. In cairo, the us and egypt are discussing how to get aid from egypt into gaza without triggering a fear to mass exodus into egypt itself. At the same time, america is sending clear military signals. It is moving funder jets and more warships to the region. Above all, the move is about deterrence, not only for homos, but also for other terrorist organizations supported by iraq, such as has beloved in 11 on most recently us peace efforts had focused primarily on reconciliation between saudi arabia and israel. But the war is now re shuffling the cards and them at least can the us preventive broader war flaring up in the region. So now your thoughts and that can be us really prevent setting up the War Industries and can bite and really contin this. I mean, right now, President Biden, the us is still the leading force in the world, the leading power, the leading edge them on and present finding must do something to try to stop a coastal duration of the middle east. But he can only do it also with partners to counsellor schultz was also in egypt on a little bare bach is, was also in the middle east. So it is in our interest to make sure that the stability can be achieved. But 1st and foremost, israel does need to react to what happened last week and how much is sort of discredited itself as a party to negotiate with how mosque must be dismantled and israel has the right to exist. But certainly the hope is that eventually this 2 state solution to get back on track and a, you know, a warming of relations between saudi arabia and israel can move forward. But 1st, the hostages need to be released. And israel also has to make a statement. And not let what happened last week go on answer, since you mentioned show of how well the to was its different shows and vitamins when it comes to the outcomes. Well, i mean, 1st off because of the horrible tragedy what the hospital President Biden was not. I didnt get the opportunity to meet with the boss and with other are leaders. And chancellor schultz managed to meet have a meeting in egypt. So, but i still think that what the us does, what it signals comes 1st and the europeans usually fall in line. Or there may be nuances that would maybe help the situation. But for the most part, i think your and the us must try to remain in lock step just as they have done with ukraine. Can us continue the task of mediation of the audibly those refused to meet with . I think so. Um, i mean the situation about the, the, the tragedy when it comes to the hospital as well. Okay. Now, um and uh, i think the combination of sending a Carrier Strike group and uh, sending diplomats uh is the right one. And its only to us can provide this, unfortunately, we do as europeans, we do not have those instruments at our disposal. That is our weakness. We have to work on as the distinction between the terrible organization. Hum us and i wrote population in guys, i think its very important. Unfortunately we in germany, im not good enough in making that distinction of sofa. What ive seen from the u. S. Is something i think that could be helpful and we have to see is say its early, but so far as working during has spa from joining uh, the war against east. What it, i think is the most important immediate issue. Many sort of developments would develop on that. And so far i think that you as a setting the right to them there, spit out about 2000000 civilians in government, half of which are children is to you was working on getting go humanitarian caught it all for them doing that. But what is more important is that there are not more of that. So to keep a bows his block out of the war and the run. So the clear signal determines its important as bad as it is right now. It could be a lot worse. So thats, thats the most important. So this doesnt enlarge. And then us are the only credible boys who can do both assure security. They are the security guarantee or even if it, israel, i mean, who would have sought that israel would be surprised like that . I mean the, this, this has been amazing to many of us, so it needs america, but america is own only the other 4. So can also say, dont overdo it, dont make the same mistake as we did off the 911. 00. So military forces, not the only solution, i mean by know is what americans are talking about it. So if we did that, we would have a problem, especially we in germany. Uh, but america is credible on that one. 0, i think if, if somebody manages its, the american president theyve got on his health would, would allow for that president find did just that. I mean, he talked about israels right to self defense, but also differentiated between how most of the policy and, and people and also mentioned that, you know, there has to be who made way to let civilians cross. Um and so i do think that President Biden has also told israel, dont let revenge consume you. Think about what your next steps are. And i do think that President Biden still wants to somehow achieve a 2 state solution. Dont forget, present 5 and president obama didnt have the best relationship of not yahoo. And so i do think that President Biden loves israel, but is also aware of the different tires that are on the table. And hes best with his experience. Hes the best person we have to try to get him some stability back into the body to, to eat us. Do not treat him good as hes there and theyre working on it. I mean, i know that theyre working on it as well. Right . There is a constant shuttle diplomacy going on right now, and hopefully there will be a break through now a lot of exposed to saying that if a ground defensive, which is planned, if that happens, thats probably not a very good idea. Is it too late, or can it still be stopped . We dont know what the idea is really planning. I think they are doing well no telling anybody the ground. So the ground offensive as an assumption. And from a strictly Military Point of view, the ground defensive and the density populated area is always a very, very difficult, long and dangerous endeavor, because it develops into 3 dimensional welfare. Um, the problem is, i think thats how mazda is using to civic population of the area of to avoid being hit by i d. S. And its, i think your combination of special operations and drug operations that can maybe find a way around it. But lets be clear, this tetra tech on israel still needs to from a point of view of the security of the story which is also is on the top of germany. That needs to be an answer to that. And i share the view of id after the how mazda is a terrorist Organization Needs to be destroyed, to provide security for israel. And the question, how to have a distinction again, to separate the service from us and to population. That ones a, just a normal civil life is something that we didnt Pay Attention enough to. I think also for the last the kids because they wouldnt be possibilities to organize a better life and goes, uh, there were different possibilities before. But how much was taking over the authorities . Im not playing the role that they could have played. Maybe there is a way to transform this into a situation where, but alive as possible. And because of that is the ground defensive has been an assumption. But if it were to happen with the us, the support is very financially, and technically, of course, theres no question about that. Thats what biden made clear. And if in that case, if its what i will to date goes up, ship, then us would still continue. Sure. Okay, clear what im talking about the garden sentiment in the us. How well people in america looking at this . Well, i think the sympathy was very much with israel. Um, but of course, you know, there is a split in the Democratic Party to some degree. You do see people also in College Campuses unfortunately, i think not necessarily look having enough information and realizing the difference between the homeless and the palestinian people. And so i do think that the, the government, no matter republican or democrat, will always support israel, just like from germany. Israel is an important, valuable partner for the United States. But i do think that the United States also would like to see a 2 state solution no matter how, how hard it is that goal should not be given up. Weve made now, obviously move backwards on that path. But hopefully, as nick along said, it may take a tragedy to try to get people to talk about this again. Or you want to not necessarily, but i mean, what policy makers want to do is one thing. I mean, its clear in germany and us, but the take out of states, you know, this abrams of course, i think thats off the table the right now, edwards, this is nicole calculation of im us of only at the expense of its own people to gain power was in published in you for the territories of thats their cynical paul game and to destroy that piece of movement because they would be out of business. I mean, the war fighters, terrorist on a, not in the, in a good position when there will be peace and arab states who have neglected, you know, the 2 state solution. I mean they, they werent really interested when you remember, we can leeks and what all of us i said, and then the not did. And now they have to be aware of that population, not only in homage, you have to be careful. What is it . Because theres so many people who do not differentiate, i mean in these regions of the world, i mean, the leaders have to be careful not to be swept away by this folks. So, so lets not be too optimistic about about peace solutions. Lets just contains a situation and, and avoid the yeah, i think it was going to contain the situation and think carefully about what our contribution from a job and thats your pin point of view should be because um yes, we are on the side of you. So it is very clear, yes. Do we have different magic possibilities and to transfer the show that show that with, with going to chiral. But at the same time it sounds better adults, but more support for ukraine. From the music, terry point of view could be exactly what the need it was. The focus of to us is necessarily very much on the middle east into us as the only one really which went to, to a storage chief of solution in the, in the middle east. So its again the connection between the, between the different conflicts but, but im convinced we need to step up now to support ukraine to diff biden more headspace to work also on other issues. And also to build a bridge to whats the result of discussion into us. I think if the europeans would contribute more and be on, i love it when it comes to head for your brain. Also the whole argument for a bunch. It would be either within the id like to come back to you cleaning a bit. The Us Government currently is not only facing challenges on the international front, but it also and competing significant holders and the domestic politics, particularly from the republicans as domestic politics. Us person and fight and took office with the aim of reconciling a deeply divided society. After the polarizing trump years, he wanted to bring the political camps closer together so far without success. There was chaos in the house of representatives. There were a bunch of disputes, and donald trump may well stand again as bidens, republican opponent, the ukraine war. The counsel offensive is threatening to become a bloody trench war. New funding for lessons to ukraine is being blocked by the domestic political turmoil. Power struggle with china here too. There was hardly any progress on delicate points of contention, such as ty, one more advanced technology. Despite so many crises, the us as a serving itself also with respect to the middle east and ukraine. Or the United States of america for gods sake. Most powerful nation of the history is not in the history of the world, the history of the world. We can take care of both of these and still maintain our Overall International kelly. Us manage multiple crises at once. So that can be us managed to was at the same time it has domestic issues to deal with as well. Sure. The United States can definitely manage the Polly Christmas world that we live in. But we cant do it alone. We need to do it with partners and also, and or the present. But it has to be careful, of course, about domestic sentiments because the American People are tired of these unless words im ever since, you know, after George W Bush has been in office, america has shown more of a straight. But unfortunately, or fortunately, it seems clear that the United States has to maintain a presence, has to show deterrence. Otherwise the rules of the jungle will, you know, be sort of the rules that we have to contend with. So unfortunately, also the United States because everything actually is relatively going well, the economy is quite strong compared to other industrialized countries, but we seem to have be making our own goals because of our polarization and inability to Work Together in dc. And were seeing that playing out right now in the house of representatives. You were talking about you claim. Now ukraine is concerned that the middle east crisis would have an impact on them and they might not get the Financial Aid that theyve been getting. Is the concern justified . I think the concern is about the combination of the specific situation and the political system into us. And then on the approval of budgets and to the attention to us as know, dedicating to the middle east and then ukraine. Its a very practical metro, its not about Political Support because of all military support. And if m edition is running out of certain types of weapons are running out, then ukraine will have a weaker position and russia at the same time while we are talking is trying to gain the initiative to cease to initiative on the battlefield. Because they know that it is a problem for ukraine if the us report with not be there anymore. As we can see, we will see if the us will find a solution. There is talk about 100000000000 package that much include help for you. And for your train and other elements as well that could solve the situation, but to us as to elect to speaker for us than the time is running and russia is attacking that is the situation as we speak. So i think also that points to a necessity, that the europeans stepping up also took care of for ukraine, more confidence in the situation because it changes the calculations clearly already on the russian side, us of the republican guns are not able to agree on the speaker how does that affect americans reputation across the world . Well, it shows that were paralyzed and were dysfunctional and washington because there is a lot of bipartisan consensus when it comes to ukraine. If you look at the senate, republicans and democrats both think that ukraine is in the national interest, and im, and the same goes with israel. I think in both chambers of the congress that support for israel is a must. But without having a speaker there can no laws can be passed, no money can be allocated towards these regions. And so were facing a situation where the us is looking like a Banana Republic when it comes to governing. If bartonville to dissolve one of these conflicts, how would that help him in the Upcoming Elections . Or . I think he will try to tell soleski if he hasnt done so far. I think he has done so far to come to terms with some solution because by and doesnt want to have ukraine issue in the election. Its not only unpopular was republicans. Lets look at the front runners. Nobody wants to really defend ukraine. You have actually called people worry about his house, you know, sometimes he had in the wrong movie. I mean, you hear reassured us in munich at the munich security conference, but he couldnt make a deal. Was event a speak of my car. So because they did you crying support out, and now the last deal they made, it was at the expense of ukraine. So ukraine is not an issue you run on to win an election in us. So dont be surprised if by nobody runs on foreign the dental i guess i would see some she yeah, but lets put it differently by and well try to get you crate out of the Electoral Campaign because he has a son who is still in the bar ridgemont and youre crying this and, and, and democrats dont want to have that. So im afraid ukraine. Im sure i agree with you will be all problem. America is different problems, especially nice and china. Read and it just costs youve created a div with we say they have to come to terms that does not change the situation. The reality is shaped by the reality on the battlefield. We have lost them 2nd so that you disagree you. How do i you . Nobody runs on Foreign Policy issues in the u. S. And when it comes to projects on the Kitchen Table issues, well be looking and enjoying se trump, people will be running on that. And then this will make binding to change. 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