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A new culture and in 15 minutes left says together. Part of our Community Life on the research is now on the of the for the move along as good as co Vince Higgins of a 5 after the german prosecutors have to suit the case on the principle of universal jurisdiction. What is just when we are talking about people being kids, the country bit, so the internet of children gets mute the subsidy to go through to the mass of the products that he has. The studio has on its kind of products on the i never thought id see a day like this. The 2 men are standing try the german cochin, who worked in the prison for i and thousands of my people were detained and tortured the neither plaintive nor witness. But i feel compelled to be here and report to him. What time witnessing the or in 2015 escape. So yeah. And fled to germany. I used to be a News Reporter in damascus. My hometown covered local to test against the asset governments and crackdowns and demonstrators for the security forces. The i was arrested in a cussing i was supposed to meet the source. I was seeking information on a chemical attack by Government Forces in rural damascus. Ready a plainclothes policeman asked for my id. He was can, but he spoke firmly. I showed him my id in syria, we had no choice. He said, i need to follow him and not to make a fuss. Everyone on the street so. But no one intervened. No one day or the later on i was charged for spreading antique government propaganda. The the, im a nice to me to me and all you have this in order to well, you know, i have, you know, kind of a one love you. Can you give me the sweetie . How yeah, you can assist with that because i know what ive done with them, which is where they send me the system. The problem. Uh good news um i can get them. I didnt have the equity been spent. You didnt put in an item sheet on this, so i dont know who a guest for the because pay uh on the does even 100 minus toby studio. I realize that its what i say. It has a lot less fun, but also from, from a lawyers of the 7 civil parties in this trial today. And i can say that we are very happy that this its finally taking place. This can only be the beginning. Of course, we will have to have many, many more cases, but what has happened to to date and coolants the never the less can be in a way called the historic ladelly move with that in that case, what do you want me to . Can you show over the out of the enemy if they have, like deadly identity intent needed jimmy at a honey is accused of detaining 30 protesters and taking them to else at the prison to be tortured. And what a son is charged with overseeing 4000. 00 counts of torture. 58 murders, 2 counts of sexual design. Of the the human opens with the swear. In the end of the 1st witness. Hes an inspector with the state police. And the witnesses and water slant came to the Police Seeking protection just glance as soon agents were after him. And he was scared for his life. My eyes, straight over to the defendant, yet seems upset, acting as if he is a victim of a great injustice. But the n word seems come distant as if a mere observer from time to time, he looks over to us. When our eyes meet. I feel terrified. I stood afraid of an interrogation, maybe probably. And then it hits me this whole time. Ive been perceiving the gaze of an officer and not that of defend its a challenge to write down the witness statements in arabic. I know done the german words. I dont understand. I hope i can identify them later. The im a freelance reporter working for our big news outlets and, and you need to try and stay mutual in my work but encountering unwary to slant to shaken me and caught me completely off guard. I buddies my memories for years, but now im unable to avoid them. Why . The, i remember my 1st interrogation at the the investigator was in a rage, swearing and insulting me. I had already confessed to my work and the confiscated my laptops, money, and documents. But that wasnt enough for him. He just wanted to humiliate me. He had trouble in the heart of the father of rage. The guard was huge for the sake of black beard, his face full of pure and after the 1st time he hit me, i lost all control the we were 23 women and a smaller sense. There was no sunlight, which was filthy and very curved. We werent allowed to speak to one another guards which threaten us if they heard us speak. We were surrounded by screams from places we could in the some. Detainees were convinced those were the voices of family members. They suffered to break down we were interrogated multiple times. When we returned the torture marks were visible we were to try to come to turn in the, in 2015. I was released from prison. After 13 months of confinement inside to police stations and for prison, the that was only released after my family pay to brian the day i was released. I didnt feel free. I was the police that i felt as though i defending the women in our sense to this day. I dont know what happened to them. The the i dont how the secondary data copeland was within the match. What i was doing. I have been this the head of my head every dont let us use yes. So would you put on the actually this i looked at it from you and then move on from an 8 model 8 started say as, as equivalent done. Hopefully even less than on open and a lot of the timing was 1800. Welcome to problems was heavy. I thought up. No, no one, but a lot of talk to you know, how much that mean the heck of a kingdom that need to have done with and what is the is it that is you valid . Im my initials. Love to have that. That it must be nice if you dont know that then whenever for him. Sure. I dont remember willingness. I know was the awesome todays hearing continues the testimony of a former service man who does military service at a checkpoint outside how deep yesterday with his and had recognized and wireless land in court and confirm that he had let interrogations at the time. There are 27 states Security Prisons in syria, 10 of which are in damascus using satellite images. With this am located at the prison, near other scene square. A sketch the prison layout showing that n was office was located directory above the stands. I copied everything and astonishment. Id wondered for years which building i was in whats around it and who was in charge of this dungeon. Today the judges are asking the with news about the hierarchy and the security services. He testifies it and why did one of the 5 divisions, ill keep his superior officer till forgiveness over so all the divisions superior to both his high fisma flu shot and i saw a cousin and a plus confident with this em says that the assets on the place as members of the Way Community into important positions and state security. So name was, seems like the 2 defendants had less influence. Since the witness had recognized on where to find the judges ask whether he can also recognize it and how to get answers at e. S face looks familiar, but he is not sure he seems scared to say too much for his family is still in syria. The, i dont know what this try can really accomplish from the outset. Everyone says they want justice. But what does justice actually mean in this case . The start would be to meet with the parents to find out what they hope to achieve. The 2nd one was with especially if they sufficient kind of solving yeah. And even this is kind of all a sudden on the 4th wednesday and what, what about and what are some hopes on the phone i have here for a of a lot of stuff. Yeah. In the trucks, boxes. Okay so so, so, so if its awful and it showed you i wouldnt have to come to you but i finish up to work on this on the you have the holding shut it blanket sack. And what time on what some of the should i think i should think of soccer. Yep. Hey, so i actually have somebody come in and talk to the front on deck and she said it was that on the thats the one hanging towards the intake box. Thats going to happen with the john, hold on, one of the heck you by did what did the cadillac of the over the image of actual do buffy. Im a plus of my shooting belfy and they usually also show just under con, one of the highest value is the shadow apply document name. How can i help you . I mean, how does, how can i mean, who . Oh what she said, oh, i thought i might look up the height about the job number, how not to the the ship, then you decided it was really the, the saudi i wouldnt have had assume you really had no matching is on the settings that i could look on the see the clinic, the counter, the try like lemme out of it. And if he has costs going on just a little bit, please look. Settlement for having them on. You can choose to be a non p as cost as little barton color include most of the money at least as much as i initially and not the shovels, bobbitt and theres 1. 00 on thursday i left. Is it visa . Well, i know, did you did you have a visa . Mazda doesnt have those been my lady, were out to see nice. So how does that mean in general, you much to come up with being an s so im not going to apply the does the precision hawaii precious and the guaranteed fidget of what i mean. As i laugh sorting, probably this will give you the money for screw our head 1000000 of houses, how low pound feed cl calling. I mean, i didnt have to be figured as men of the money, the cooling this issue of a dish. Try a gleam one minute and the were 6 months into the trial and some 3 dozen witnesses have been cold. Ive become proficient at quickly writing down their statements fully at home. Do i process what theyve said and publish my articles the same look that said it could be that he was beaten so badly during his arrest that they broke one of his rapes the delayed attend on such service. Men threatened to wait until her mother and sister, the an anonymous witness, set 13 people died in his cell including a 7 year old for passed away after an interrogation. The understand said it was among those plus folk of apple. Honda fatality, the for the 1st time to caesar, photos was admitted into evidence tens of thousands of pictures of people who died in syria and presents the pictures show. Detainees were beaten, stocked shots, burned, and tortured with electric shocks. The the the todays hearing opens with an anonymous witness after his testimony done how the defense lawyer interjects. He wants to read a statement from his client, yet it appears to be about the cesar photos in 8 months is either how daves 1st statement. The lawyer quotes his client. I want to explain how i felt when i saw these photos. They broke my heart. How can people do this to one another . I was filled with anger and hate against asset and his helpers. During the presentation, i kept thinking of my relatives to remain in prison. 7 relatives, many friends, and hundreds from my hometown. I scanned the cesar photos for familiar faces, feeling that i would actually find someone. I love my country and to my people. And so i hope the criminal regime of the shuttle asset will be brought to justice at an International Court some day. Like also nice was powered. I had few options. The 1st to disobey orders. That would have led to my arrest and execution. The 2nd to desert and see immediately that would have been madness. They would have arrested and talked with my family until i returned. The 3rd and only safe option was to prepare and wait until the bar door was open and free with my family is my love for my wife and my 4 children a punishable crime. I hope this quote can find an answer. Not just for me, but for others in the future will become hostages of a civil war in their countries the, the united states, me and surprise me. And im a bit skeptical. When the cesar photos were shown in court, he had seemed disinterested, even bullard. The pictures really upset him or was he trying to influence the judges . Knowing that will soon be a verdict as heavy with sand guilty today, a facilitating tool target, sophia, on hub job and the decision name and the other box. And the last one is will be out as excellent. Ok. Designers or so at least im just extend a set or size diesel camera and not a name and im done. Yeah, the performance of the on the move on the suit is spelled on the 11th level. Yeah, thats to be, im talking to use all of our name and money. I will come on you. So if youre not, i mean not the end for fucking is on hopkins was a medium, a tune. Im a hub just to put on. We should see them have, you know, full access to the whole idea. Well, some in mckinney and a sense of people seem to be on the who, the hour and them on what they said. And now shop new york, Northern Virginia suspenses to have the heads up on a part of you and we dont have them ready. So you might be, im not the one the from the fee on the young card yet. You know, heavy le, let me know how i felt it almost all felt and who am i, what i let me alone, what i let them in me of im well because as soon as lot b, b data loss and stuff on on hub. And we loved one of them, i cannot pull up one of them to come on, we are not. So how would i shop, now shop the product comes if theres multiple vanya, my product, and all the, and the how that isnt, how the, how would that shape whats, whats going on here . What yeah, the supposed to consider why its still within my its sort of the interest through a huge amount of time. When most of the new lum, you would just so high that fast enough. And thatd be music much less than a guy in the, in the very last and following that and stuff on the interval of any other amount. So the supposed to be very far if im approved for with the homes commission, go see if it was the must have done with the amount of know the most of the who you live in and im settled. Love it here. Little far to come. And jessica, what me and i can look there, you must do with Difficult People work. Oh, barely be sure that was successful because yeah. Ready busy busy we, i dont know how deep is being conducted, but syrians are divided on whether the outcome was just now the focus is on unload. His loan is trying carries more weight. He was a car. Now, under the head of interrogations, he had the power to decide the fate of detainees of the, the, todays with news is a permanent so we can all position figure, doctor, come, i live one. He wasnt present for many years and nearly talked her to death in a government prison. But doctor, come is not a prosecution witness. He was summoned by an artist, lines defense and were meant to witness after he defected and fed syria. Dr. Come out and helped him join the opposition. The defense believes he can have amyris landscape. The 2nd i lost my job. All sure what i see, i dont understand like a shift a and then as possible. Im understanding stan with at the end of the, the mental wash, mental and one mentors of fee and will show the decisions on the not the mind, the 5. 00 digit. I mean what almost im telling you some have been should pop up with no. Do i mean the, what i mean as the decision individual happened . Who and shop on a lot of extra c, a football, but im done no problem. So ive just done this before the, lets chat back and look into how come with an order. Some are new so now im an old let me move on to you want me to show, let me make sure you know you got that in football. The a really, i thought if you wish i had my thought is the most highly the one was industry and the hack and pulling the limits and what but generally me then as somebody on the, i mean, the only thing that i can end up deciding was that im a long yeah. About the have the money i have someone who has it, does the of this alone money have i just heard of it. I need send you an online and i live in this country and as long as 7. So i need to my husband to call the murphy and do it, and then move on then, is that even before fee . Yeah, i mean the sound like that as you might even have it on the bottom left and theres a kind of pain. How can i give you that . That is ok. See evidence for those costs. It is southern long as im on the issue with the issue for the study here. Im not sure if the i think i know this just give them that that is roxanne. Yeah, i mean, even even the bulk of the substance of fee is under my muscle and i havent had to be that easy and im in the move on some disagreements, not as if thats done as a mechanic and it say, i didnt, that was just already asked about the auto and the h, cindy from because the, the heading in the and the out of how this rely of about you know, how the medical they know, but that within the city as yeah that the money or they said the day and the only less i need and now that the over the past year ive been asking my son for this child communities. Is it only about personal injustice for the planted . Or could it help play the foundation for greater justice and i have no doubt this tried symbolizes help too. Many syrians simply watching to try it on the phone, feels cathartic to me. The, the, the trial is coming to an end. In a few days, the planned tests will give the closing statement. One of them has invited me over. I wonder what this woman means to him, the time the specimens that his own and what are, what are you in a National Home issue, minnesota. Uh no. No. Yeah. I mean, it was, she feels she looking uh not sure how that those are the shopping atanya and uh a, i mean, how do i own uh, mostly the business without the front of me and uh, the coverage that i any visually of uh, was that kind of kick time showed up like that had to shift the video like a be have that good way to yeah, you can. How did you, on our could see the did then sure how to use can to entice the, the, the, the, the, how much for holding this lee county loan. And how does that uh look to look at how that them. Shell have to see on the kind of process we havent finished with the z 100100 a couple houses. No one. Im not here. How can i out of the block . Hey, acute. Thank you. Good. Lets see here. The rest of the human going to be active for you to have this kind of hang on while i am uh, i found a the inc. And you want me to be the uh, they are actually telling me by the i can get out of or the same for begins his statement saying he could forgive and where to slam. If he confesses and shows or movies, such as land doesnt show any signs of that and even denies of systematic torture at teeth. The, therefore, the same says he wants justice and no matter how long and worst is in prison, his condition. So itd be far better than those of the detainees. They looked up inside a tape at the end, the same besides the names of acquaintances, who did not survive their imprisonment. The note on some young cops and judges consider that their verdict could change millions of lives and that their decision can influence not just the future of serious effect of the whole world. The home. How our sense, thats, although this trial has been traumatic, it has restored a piece of her wounded dignity. It has given her story a different ending, one in which she could bring one of her tormentors to justice the same look that speaks less. He says he wants this verdict to make a statement, not just for himself, but for the more than 130000 Political Prisoners still in syria. He says he doesnt know what and where a risk lands punishment should be. But he trusts at the court, wanna make adjust decision the, as i right, i see the prison, its of the detainees in the room. The, the for planters have made clear that this trying isnt only about their personal justice, but about justice for all detainees and syria. The today is the last hearing. And exactly 7 days, there will be a verdict. The annual risk glance defense is about to give the closing statement. Thats what everyone is waiting for. The. Im curious to see if n, y will speak for himself the in the name of allah, the benevolent the merciful and my statement. I will not only defend my sense, i will also tell the truth. Sadly though its not annoy speaking, its his interpreter and where it says that ality was flooded with protesters due to messrs. 3 times he pointed out that the prison didnt have enough space to take in so many inmates, but disappear to freak eunice told him to shut the n word, says he tried to keep the number of detainees to a minimum and to stop torture when it was necessary, after he released a group of detainees to seek units to motor to him from his post. His duties were transferred to 7 officers. They would torture prisoners day and night, and work or to hear their screens. In early 2012, the army attacked and wheres hometown of how they killed the many civilians, including and where to send relative 200 new prisoners for them brought to her teeth and where it was tasked with interrogating them . He determined that most were innocent, recommended their release enough to torture them and were then received a phone call. From this a pdf to feed unit, he said the superior half is must lose the shot assets, cousins had to post on words release of the 10 tennis and one would face the consequences if mistakes were made in december 2012 and well managed to sleep georgian with his family and were swears he never issued orders to torture civilians, talk to of a sanctioned, at the highest level. He couldnt change anything about it and or says he defected out his conscience and lost everything in the process. His message to syrians is he sorry, he couldnt do more to have best plan, says hes almost 60 and has been in prison for 3 years. He says hes physically and psychologically broken and misses his family. He also seek justice for himself. Once the translator finishes the judge asks and what if these are really his words and word applies . Yes, it is the only time he speaks in court the the what does today for me especially it means that i finished something good and that was really in boston for all of this year. As you know, there is no official documentation for this trial or under trials in germany. So this, why was he at all . Its as youll notice, thats was the only seen thats documented. So thats why i think in that means i lost the the 1000 pounds publish and it was too late to are seen the shut off on a table on so many from the side of us as, as the if i didnt know, i didnt have it for the additional nathan, what on . Yeah, exactly that. No, yeah, thats the gun. We try to hide that because then the kind of how do you and i mean id say to get from some of the different kind who the house that you mentioned. What type of feelings in fits into your business . So thats uh huh. Thats why im here. Status, id say it. And so you for what type one is the positive position. So its 22 guys known by yeah, this account element just for funds. Different types of them, thats the zip codes of interest this with which is even if its higher removing of this type of call him and some kind of outline in this it wouldnt be the best one of the, lets really as a sally to be the mobile so again, thats about 10 feet on them off the block, the chart. Give them lots a month, month to tell me that almost like a tupperware, lots and lots reg dropping because mobile us on the left and then a few you think the sheep that we dont have no side of not disclosed the copy on the few. The white man with all the light is on, come on and been at the local. We are best humans from central farm actually kind of coming off the last on how much she would expect to hear me on the sense to try. And again, ive been asking myself what youre telling means to me the ive been searching for answers to questions that had been haunting me the, the questions about what happened to me . Why the prison guard up a little harder for so crude to me . How many others were detained and tortured and syrian state prisons, and what became of the the insights of gain following this, trying, helping me process my own experiences, the insight gained through journalistic practice. This is the only path for me, but this journey hasnt only been about learning. Ive also made to new friends along the way, the to another site that they have, i am sure show case. No, but that bathroom, that decision im case. So laughing that because he knew about the dont get enough when i most like yeah, the stuff you know stuff to you know, some of the boss or how did that could i go there . Mine see how they might have a see can i get associate to sort of favor space that girl can see you come any of do n t i should be so kind of the the the the our specialties spiced with a luxury pleasure. Flavored with a touch of art and culinary excellence. 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