Warning. Need to reach to us as a north korean public and the video was happening from north korea, which love starts october 25th on d w the the good co vince pigs of a 5 after pump says joe, the prosecutors have to suit the case on the principle of universal jurisdiction. What is just when we are talking about people being killed, the motorcycle cheapest, suddenly gets mute the subsidy goes through to the mass of the products that he has or has been this way and its kind of cut off on the i never thought id see a day like this, the 2 men are standing try in a german cochin who worked in the prison for i and thousands of my people were detained and tortured the neither plaintiff nor with me. But i feel compelled to be here and report to him what time, what to say the in 2015. Escape. So yeah. And slow to germany. I used to be a News Reporter and damascus. My hometown covered locally to test against the as the government and correct downs and demonstrators by the security forces. The i was arrested in a cussing i was supposed to meet the source. I was seeking information on a chemical attack by Government Forces in rural damascus. Ready a plant club policeman asked for my id. He was can, but he spoke firmly. I showed him my id in syria, we had no choice. He said i need to follow him and not to make a fuss. Everyone on the street saw us but no one intervened. No one day or the later on i was charged with spreading antique government propaganda. The in samson. Im a nice to me to me and oh yes. How does the oh i know it as well. Yeah. The the sites reading it, so now i have, you know, how yeah, you can do that because i know what ive done with them, which is where they send me the system. The type of uh, good news um i can get them. I do have a bit of spending that equipment on them this shit on this. I dont know who it, i guess when he does pay. Uh and he does even 100. 00 minus toby studio. I realize that it somewhere else. So it had a lot less fun, but also from, from a lawyers of the 7 civil parties in this trial today. And i can say that we are very happy that this is finally taking place. This can only be the beginning. Of course, we will have to have many, many more cases, but what has happened to to date and coolants the never the less can be in a way called the historic ladelly move with that in that case, what do you want me to . Can you show over the dining room if they have not deadly done and send me to jimmy at a honey is accused of detaining 30 protesters and taking them to l at the prison to be tortured. And what a son is charged with overseeing 4000. 00 counts of torture. 58 murders, 2 counts of sexual design. Of the the human opens with the swearing in of the 1st when hes an inspector with the state police, all the witnesses and where the sun came to the Police Seeking protection plans said soon agents were after him and he was scared for his life. My eyes straight over to the defendant, yet seems upset, acting as if he is a victim of a great injustice, but unaware seems calm, distant, as if a mere observer from time to time, he looks over to us. When our eyes meet, i feel terrified. I stood afraid of an interrogation maybe probably and then it hits me this whole time. Ive been perceiving the gaze of an officer and not that of defend. Its a challenge to write down the witness statements in arabic. I know done the german words. I dont understand i hope i can identify them later. The im a freelance reporter working for out of the can use outlets and, and you need to try and stay neutral in my work. But encountering on one of the sun shaken me and caught me completely off guard. I buddied my memories for years, but now im unable to avoid them. Why . The, i remember my 1st interrogation at alpha to the investigator was in a rage, swearing and insulting me. I had already confessed to my work and confiscated my laptops, money, and documents. But that wasnt enough for him. He just wanted to humiliate me. He had trouble and i didnt. The father of rage. The guard was huge for the sake of black beard, his face full of pure and after the 1st time he hit me, i lost all control the we were 23 women and a small incense. There was no sunlight, which was filthy and very cold. We werent allowed to speak to one another guards with catching us if they heard us speak. We were surrounded by screams from places we could in the some. Detainees were convinced those were the voices of family members. They suffered to break down we were interrogated multiple times. When we returned the torture marks were visible we were to try to come for 20 th in 2015. I was released from prison. After 13 months of consignment and side to police stations and for prison, the that was only released after my family paid her brian the day i was released, i didnt feel free. I was deeply set i felt as though i to bending the woman in our sense to this day, i dont know what happened to them. The, the, the dont have to how the secondary data was within the mac. Sort of the i have been this the head of my head every honda let us use yes. So would you put it on the actually the side finger foods if that if you move on from an 8 model a started say as, as equipment a gun. Hopefully even less than on open and a lot of the timing was a teen, hell be will how come to problems was heavy. I thought of no, no one, but a lot of talk to you know, how much that need the heck of a kingdom that need to have done with and what is the is it that is you valid . Im my initials. Love to have that done. It must be nice if you look at that and then one over for him to another in this and no ones ever come across from me. I can they ask todays hearing continues the testimony of a former service man who does military service at a checkpoint upside. How deep yesterday with ms and had recognized an wireless line in court and confirmed that he had let interrogations at the time. There are 27 states security presence in syria, 10 of which are in damascus using satellite images. With this am located at the prison, near other scene square. A sketch, the prison laughed showing that an was office was located directly above the stands. I copied everything in astonishment. Id wondered for years which building i was in whats around it and who was in charge of this dungeon. Today the judges are asking with news about the hierarchy and the security services. He testifies that and why did one of the 5 divisions, ill keep his superior officer till forgiveness over so all the divisions superior to the was high fisma flu shot and i saw a cousin and a plus confident with this em says that the assets are me place as members of the Way Community into important positions and state security. So name was, seems like the 2 defendants had less influence. Since a witness had recognized on lord s line, the judges ask whether he can also recognize it and how to get answers at the face. Cuz familiar. But he is not sure he seems scared to say too much for his family is still in syria. The, i dont know what this trial can really accomplish from the outset. Everyone says they want justice. But what does justice actually mean in this case . The start would be to meet with the parents to find out what they hope to achieve. The 2nd one was with, especially if they sufficiently kind of saw the name. Yeah. And even this is kind of all a sudden most of the one is the is a one. What about and what are some of the phone i have here, if, hey, a lot of stuff in the trucks boxes gave us the gift awful and it showed you i wouldnt have to come here, but i finish up to work on this old on duty and i have a whole new shot blanket stock and what time on what some amount and then should i think i should think of soccer. Yep. Hey, so i actually have somebody come in and talk to the front on back the sugar. Same way that i see the next one, im going to be into the with the john, hold on for the heck. If i did what the cadillac, the over the image of actual do, buffy. Im a plus of my shootings. Ill see you in the is your also show just under con one of the high. Yes. And it is a should to apply document name function. You should have gotten it from the hug. I mean, who is what she said . Oh, i thought i might look, look behind that, the job more not to ask just ship, then you decided it was really the saudi. I wouldnt have had is really helpful to them. No, nothing is on the 2nd that i could look like at least the he the way the counter, the try like lemme out of it. And if he has costs going on just a little bit, hopefully. Well, settlement for having them on the country for b or you know, p s cost doesnt cover up most of the money at least as much as i initially and not the shovels bobbitt. Theres a lot of times you i left sort of is it visa . Well, i know, did you did you have a visa . Mazda doesnt have those been the video here. I can see nice. How does that mean in general, you must think about, which would be the most. So im not going to apply the does it . How are the precious and the can who fidget of what its not me as i laugh sorting part of the late additional money for screw our head 1000000 houses. How low pound feed cl calling. I mean, i didnt get as much of the money because when i did a show a dish trial, liam one minute and the were 6 months into the trial and some 3 dozen witnesses having called ive become proficient at quickly writing down their statements fully at home. Do i process what they said and publish my articles, the same book that said it could be that he was beaten so badly during his arrest that they broke one of his rapes or delayed attend on such service . Men threatened to wait until the doctor, mother, and sister, the an anonymous witness that 13 people died in his cell, including a 7 year old passed away after an interrogation. The interest in said it was among those plus folk of apple products fatality. The for the 1st time to caesar, photos was admitted into evidence. Tens of thousands of pictures of people who died in syria and presents the pictures show. Detainees were beaten, stocked, shot, burned, and tortured with electric shocks. The of the 2 days hearing opens with an anonymous swiftness. After his testimony, he had had eaves defense, lawyer interjects. He wants to read a statement from his client and it appears to be about the cesar photos in 8 months as a l. How daves 1st statement, the lawyer quotes his client. I want to explain how i says when i saw these photos, they broke my heart. How can people do this to one another . I was filled with anger and hate against asset and just help pers. During the presentation, i kept thinking of my relatives to remain in prison. 7 relatives, many friends, and hundreds from my hometown. I scanned to caesar, photos for familiar faces, feeling that i would actually find someone. I loved my country and white people. And so i hope the criminal regime of the shuttle us, it will be brought to justice at an International Court some day. Like also nice was powered, i had few options, the 1st to disobey orders. That would have led to my arrest and execution. The 2nd to desert and see immediately that would have been madness. They would have arrested and talked with my family until i returned. The 3rd and only safe option was to prepare and wait until the bar door was open and free with my family is my love for my wife and my 4 children a punishable crime. I hope this quote can find an answer. Not just for me, but for others in the future will become hostages of a civil war in their countries. The. The ad statements surprise me and im a bit skeptical. When the cesar photos were shown in court, he had seemed disinterested, even bored to the picture, is really upset him. It was he trying to influence the judges, knowing that will soon be a verdict as heavy with sand guilty today to the taking full saga to pee on high job. And this is the name of the out of box. And the last one is will be out as excellent. Ok. And were done. You have them ready. So you know, the, im on the one the, from the fee on the young card yet, you know how the, you need to know how that or how i felt it and well slip out and who am i to me and me alone. What are the many of them . Well, because as soon as i was talking to frontier, even the whole world b, b data thing with my sense of funds on hub and me, well, why the come on we and not how it a national i that you know shop the product comes of this one of my product and all the other one, the one that isnt too heavy. When ashate whats, whats going on . Fine, im showing on the facilities what yeah. The supposed to consider who are instruments in my its sort of against the through a huge amount of time, almost the new lum. You just so high that this is natalie with musical 11 a guy. And he had a very welcome. And most of the other amount so so for the the pay for that is on, on up to live with the Homes Commission does go to, you must have done what you want to know the must have done. Who do you live when im settled loving care and its all far to come to jessica. It would be okay. And i couldnt look, there must deal with difficult people. Well ill be ill be be assured that was successful because yeah. Busy we have done how deep is being conducted, but syrians are divided on whether the outcome was just now the focus is on, on what his loan is trying carries more weight. He was a corner, and of the head of interrogations. He had the power to decide the fate of the twentys. The todays with news is a permanent so we can opposition figure dr. Kamala bonnie, he wasnt present for many years and nearly talked her to death in a government prison. But doctor, come is not a prosecution witness. He was summoned by an wireless glance defense and when i met the witness after he defected and said, sir, you the doctor, come out and helped him join the opposition. The defense believes he can have amyris landscape. 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And its almost as a a how the last one was in the shape and the hacking pulling us the im the limited and was but generally me then as somebody on the, i mean you had the momentum that i got out of this on was that im a long yeah, about the have the money i had someone who has it says the this alone money ive, ive heard of it, i need send you an online and i live on this plan for you and thats been as long as that. So i mean, if you, my husband took audio, what if you had to do it and then move on then is that even do for fee . Yeah, i mean, the sound like that, as you might even have it on the bottom, left him as a courtesy. Hayden, how can i give you that . That is ok. See, evan, its sort of as positive the southern long as im on the issue fall with an issue for the family here at the ship defeat. I think im gonna assist you from that. That is roxanne. Yeah, i need to meet with my mom that who loved about just to be something buffy is under my missile. And i havent had to be that easy, and im in the move on some disagreement, plastic as done as a mechanic. And it say, i didnt, that was just already asked about the auto and the its cindy from the diabetes heading in the and the out of how this fish the reliance on the extra youve been. It will be no, but thats within that i that as yeah, that the money or they said dont do that and the only less i need and now that the over the past year ive been asking myself for this trial communities, is it only about personal justice for the content or could just help lay the foundation for greater justice in syria. I have no doubt this trying to symbolize its help to many syrians, the simply watching the try it on phone fields cathartic to me. The, the, the trial is coming to an end. In a few days, the plaintiffs will give the closing statement. One of them has invited me over. I wonder what this woman means to him the time the spokesman, his own. 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There begins his statement saying he could forgive and where to scan if he confesses and shows or movies, such as land doesnt show any signs of that. And even denies of systematic torture at teeth. The, therefore, the same says he wants justice. And no matter how long and why stays in prison, his conditions would be far better than those of the detainees. They looked up inside teeth at the end, the same besides the names of acquaintances, who did not survive their imprisonment. The note on a home in cops and judges consider that their verdict could change millions of lives and that their decision can influence, but not just the future serious effect of the whole world, the home how wash says that to low this child has been traumatic. It has restored a piece of one to dignity the it has given her story a different ending, one in which she could bring one of her tormentors to justice. The theme of god speaks less. He says he wants this verdict to make a statement. Not just for himself, but for the more than 130000 Political Prisoners still in syria. He says he doesnt know what and what a risk glance punishment should be. But he trusts that the court wanna make adjust decision the as i right. I feel the press and so the detainees in the room, the, the 4 planters have made clear that this trying isnt only about the personal justice, but about justice for all detainees and syria. The today is the last hearing and exactly 7 days. That would be a verdict. The annual risk lands defense is about to give the closing statement. Thats what everyone is waiting for. The. Im curious to see if n, y will speak for himself the in the name of allah, the benevolent the merciful and my statement. I will not only defend myself, i will also tell the truth. Sadly, though its not annoy speaking, its his interpreter. And where says lc was flooded with protesters to to mess around. 3 times he pointed out that the prison didnt have enough space to take in so many inmates which a superior to freak eunice told him to shut the n word, says he tried to keep the number of detainees to a minimum and to stop torture when it was necessary after he released a group of detainees to seek units to motor to him from his post. His duties were transferred to 7 officers. They would torture prisoners day and night. And what could hear their screens in early 2012, the army attacked n. Wheres hometown of how they killed the many civilians including n word, a sense relative to 100 new prisoners for them brought to her teeth and where it was tasked with interrogating them. He determined that most were innocent, recommended their release enough to torture them nowhere then received a phone call from his a pdf to feed unit. He said the superior half is my flu, shot assets, cousins had to paused on words, release the 10 tennis and one would face the consequences if mistakes were made in december 2012 and well managed to speak to jordan with his family and were swears he never issued orders to torture civilians, torture was sanctioned at the highest level. He couldnt change anything about it. And or says he defected out his conscience and lost everything in the process. His message to syrians is he sorry . He couldnt do more to have the best plan, says hes almost 60 and has been in prison for 3 years. He says hes physically and psychologically broken and misses his family. He also seek justice for himself. Wants to translate your finishes, the judge asks, and what if these are really his words and word applies . Yes. It is the only time he speaks in court the the what does to day mean . For me personally, it means that i finished something good and that was really in boston for all of this year. As you know, there is no official documentation for these trial or under trials in germany. So this why, whats the it or as your not as that was the only seen that the 2 months. And so thats why i think in that means i lost the, the, the 1000 pounds publish and in dimensions to use of our, to our seen the table on so many from the side of us as is the hey, if i didnt know, i didnt have it for the edition ethan, what on . Yeah. And thats the gun will try to hide that because of the of the kind of like how do you and i mean i get from some of the kind who the house gusts limited to try to feelings and thats empty. It was a sold us. Uh huh. Then he had a substitute and for this was you for what type of on is these cognitive as their industry. So its 22 guys known by here this account and they meant this for funds, different types of them. 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