The p h and philosophers, seneca said the day of our death is the birth of the trinity. Once you die, you joined the realm of the mortal the. What if we told you you dont have to die . What if you could live forever . The weve been trying to fight that since the beginning of her existence. Evolution is slow and the world has changed. Evolution is not just something that happens to us anymore. Evolution gave rise to a species but now does something to its the so technologies are new phase of evolution. And if we do not adapt to it will be covered the alternative as long as possible. Maybe a. This was the 1st time scientific, technological possibilities to do the we spend so much of our lives in the digital realm. Now some believe a i will not only extend human life, but it can make us immortal. The issue is a, oh my god, our family memories are in these photo albums, especially now since my mothers passed away. And my father is in a retirement home that saturday and thats me. Oh, so this is, this is head of a g when he was younger and he was studying in denmark areas. I really went to denver. I had a masters degree. Yeah. Thats, thats him to was a teacher. He was so many things. A scientist, businessmen, baby carrier, the bad, can you see us . Oh, thats great. Were at home. You know, you, after. And zara going to turn the type of data to you. The words, how does the code say . So the house in vancouver. You sold it . Do you remember, do you remember when you and mom got married . The my fathers 78 years old now and has dementia. But you can share the what if theres a way to avoid the inevitable . What if there was a way to keep some part of him alive forever . I went to talk with Lincoln Cannon to tackle the same questions when his father passed away after a long battle with cancer. Once were at an age where we realize that that is coming at us, we have to manage at some hes part of the trans humanness movement which believes in the ethical use of technology to transcend human limits even transcend death. Fortunately, we are working very hard to make death optional. What did you mean when you said youd like death to be optional . Yes, so death. I would love death to be optional because well, optional is a key word because some people get into situations where there are things that are worse than death. My father died of cancer and at a certain point that was the right thing to do because living with in such suffering just wasnt worth it. But if we have ways of healing the cancer as well, then lets hear him. And then i bet he wouldnt want to die. The, this is the church of perpetual life. Every month they invite speakers from around the world to discuss that friends human is police and discoveries. Todays visiting speaker is a trans human is philosopher and pastor next speaker. Well this is my 1st time at the church of perpetual life to so im strongly thrilled just to be here. It is kind of turn out is extraordinary for, for any belief for any faith. So i mean this all you of ourselves a round of applause, a pat on the back for making it out here. Were ready to go out and make you turn to the rate again. But not. When i 1st started and they started calling me pastor g, i am now known as swami g. As my affectionate nickname, gabriel is a pastor with terrorism, a trans humanist religion that believes we can use technology to achieve immortality, are fundamental to every religion is the mortality of the soul. Which in terrorism is our consciousness. The philosophy that science will conquer death is a basic terrace, and believe the mortality bearing faces. There certainly is publicizing that immortality as possible, because the soul is data and not material. We believe that the information that is the soul is cap triple and it is transferable, capturing your ideas, capturing your thoughts or memories of vision that data set is what we call a mind. The 5 mind file you lost me up. Soul is data. But let me just try to break down the idea of mine files. I imagine you could capture the essence of who you are, the all your thoughts you try and the your feelings that moment you 1st fell in love, the deepest loss, the lease of the day, the 1st status on the basically thats what mind files are terraced and believes these memories and experiences are the key to her immortality. If the captured in transferred, thats the trans human, his belief that we can transfer consciousness to artificial bodies and conquered death. Okay. This is pure sy fi fantasy right . That hold on. So much of our lives is now online. Its not surprising that Mindful Technology is already being developed as we speak. If you dont believe me, check up this Consumer Electronics show in vegas. The artificial, its a little bit different from when i was computationally created, based on how real humanist looks and because my advice could be upload to avatars like these they can extend your life, but they are a kind of immortality. An artificial immortality is to help you become even worse. If you could upload yourself into one of these. Would you . Hello digital detox. Yup. This is deepak chopra, listening to me cell phone. Good morning america. Thats how wide spread this technology is becoming. You know, the pack, the human, not the digital copy, as a spiritual, grew the core wellbeing is a field of incident buses where there is a doctor who turned to alternative medicine and wrote dozens of books that have sold millions of copies. Hello, im a digital version of dr. Deepak chopra. Cree wanted to see if he could create an a clone of himself. Im in training to serve as your incident wellbeing guide. Visit to the park is like a babys at the moment and like any baby needs education and expanded knowledge. So im training it right now. Please into your email. It is reading all of my 90 close, so books. It can replicate my efficient expressions and my eye movements and the tone of my voice. What made you want to create an a i pharmacy or so im hoping that you have to one day talk to the grandkids of my grandkids and then from them about their time. So it will be a simulation of me and that i hope is be in marching soon. I can go with you everywhere you will be inside your phone ready at any time to serve you. If a simulation of him is immortal, does he achieve true immortality . Vice over see how close is that digital d pock to the real human and wow, hes tracking me is this is heather shamira from a i foundation the Company Behind digital detox. How is digital theyve had different from say, siri, visuals. The park is actually entirely different from alexa from siri, from any kind of, you know, kind of voice in the box situation. Youre personally understanding his guidance is wisdom. You can ask him questions. You have a relationship with digital d pop. You dont have a relationship with alexis, serious, etc. Hey, hey, fuck it. Hey, im here with my friend and do you want to introduce yourself to . Yes, i sure can. Awesome. Heather says digital deepak isnt just spouting prerecorded senses. It analyzes data response to facial expressions and tone of voice. Ive done hundreds of interviews, but nothing like this and advertise, i can think on its feet. I didnt expect that. What do you think about people seeking immortality on earth . Ready no need to wait for death or having to prove that if you turn to t is really very interesting about it is dave. Thank you. So the park, well talk tomorrow. All right. Okay. All right, bye. I. I didnt expect to like start to think like, oh i should say fine. Wheres it going to go . But yeah, thats a weird thought. Yeah, were good. Yeah, yeah. But what im gonna do is youre gonna need 2 more for and to if i get like, you know, its weird that i was thought for. Sure. Yeah. Well, you actually can you and thats what surprised the most. I didnt expect to connect with this digital a i clone. Makes me think about my conversations with my dad. Hi. I wonder what if we had captured his memories in a personal a i clone before his own memory started going. Okay, what would it be like to have an a version of ourselves, a way for us to be part of family life. Even after we die, which is our this enables i think its extremely unlikely that you can suddenly press a button and your consciousness will be transferred. However, i believe that you can have Something Like consciousness to find a digital format even after you die. Alone on the same random on academic content but nor i built a start of called swipe. It was a run and my husband building a platform that will enable us to live on forever and what he calls and augmented eternity. So ive mentioned the china thing is about creating a digital version, very similar to yourself. And its going to re present your wisdom in a different way in which the next generation can benefit from it. Anyone can create their personal and i think this is what i want to give access to my children. But this is my professional for filing a i. E and not so was the pursuit of few minutes to say ok. Now i want to mimic the brain. How we think, but the key thing about a, i, to date it has, it has always been tried to mimic the logical brain. Not the emotional right. So thats why a lot of the work that we do is to understand that fiction, that empathy is really that new ones on how that wisdom is done. A good manifest that to really help you with your emotions to help you with that sense of presence. Sometimes they may be a Family Gathering and people really want to interact with your avatar. Sometimes maybe youre too late to build an avatar for my father. But i wonder what if i created one for my kids . I asked to say and, and he said he could make the one when youre building the systems. There are 2 for new years or 2 streams that you got it from. 3 to perfect. One is the interaction layer, which can go from a holographic avatar to a chat feature phase 2 events. Email and then the other components which is very important, its, it is one under to what it is, the algorithmic capabilities, the data, how the data comes in. What is under the hood of an a i clone . Well, seem to show me how it works. I need to get them data in lots of it, photos, home, videos, yearbooks, anything i can upload for jose and to create my mind file. I spend hours converting these memories into my mind file the since we last met. You have provided some, some information about lets say some t then senior lives such as the birth of your daughter, oscar. And it was very interesting to look at the system on how it responds to these types of interactions and questions. The as job is to learn everything you can about me from my photos. In theory is should be able to answer questions for my daughters. The same way i would my daughter wanted to know how i felt the day she was born. When you asked that question, you provided a number of images. It went and found a picture that was relevant to the day of birth. I need use different types of a i want to identify elements in that picture to come up with an answer. It actually went and created different features from your facebook. Identify the mood or, or emotion. It could feel that you were 90. 4 percent relieved. 33 percent happy, then it went and generated these answers for you. The system said i was relieved of stress and over whelmed with happiness. Thats not how i would word it. But this sentiment is right. So thats how saints. A system recreates memory. I wonder how similar it is to the way human brains create memories. What connections are made to form and memory, and whats lost when that memory is gone. So its great to find me too. Oh, great. Well, thanks for coming. Let me show you the drive out of office i have here. Dr. Kalsich valiant a is a neurosurgeon and scientist at the criminal brain institute. When you hear about Artificial Intelligence approximating the human brain, what do you think . Uh yeah, i think its, its a bit of a pain in this guy. I think, uh, we know so little about the brain. So imagine us being able to create something similar or a can to it is just, its very hard to imagine the, its the most complex structure in the universe Artificial Intelligence systems and networks are trained. But theres very few things. If anything that approximate the brains ability generalizes knowledge and one of them more difficult kind of functions that we try to measure is really memory. You know, every time i tell you a story f more my personal life, i loosen its associations in the brain. I tell you it, and then i read and codes that information. And so, you know, were all phone to confound duration. So the one thing about memory is that its not absolute. And in fact its, its a lot less accurate then. Wed like to believe it is. Thats fascinating. So in some sense where we creating a memory as we tell us, yeah. And then touching it slightly. Photo shopping it. Yeah, i probably memories. I said its very different from how Artificial Intelligence systems recall data. The interestingly, you know, factory system smell system has a direct input into your memory system. And i think thats one of the very unique things about the human brain is that, you know, your memories are lived experience there. They have this sort of richness to it. Do you think i can replicate the human brain . I know not ever. Oh my gosh. You know you never say never. Right. The chelsea helped me understand the complex relationship between our brains and our bodies. How would we ever replicate that in the machine . The allison marjorie has done Pioneering Research in brain development. Hes the director of the you see san diego Stem Cell Program and hes discovered a way to grow human brain cells in a petri dish. My lab focus on Human Brain Development and evolution. And we recreate the human brain outside the body using stem cells. So my lab has be focus on reducing protocols to recreate what we call brain organizes organizer clusters of brain cells that form a simple neural network. But in a dish instead of a move all the neutral networks that we use for Artificial Intelligence, that kind of region. So they are limited on what they can do. The human brain doesnt work that way. We are more flexible. This is what we call neuro plasticity. And we, we, we can mimic that, you know, software in the computer yet because we just dont know how the brain does. So by studying how these near owns self, why are these bring organized . Perhaps we can create Artificial Intelligence algorithms that are more human like can organize become much more complex. The nuance, like they begin to formulate thoughts. I do think that i think the future this is definitely possible, especially if we start adding, enabling these structures step is required for a brain to store memory. This is um my car re, uh we for electro. Its printed in the bottom of the dishes. This is the plate that we use to record the activity from the organ lines. These brain cells are firing signals, speaking to each other, because thats in their nature. Brain cells form networks and communicate. They decided to try and connect these brain signals to a robot. Very original idea was okay, lets get something that has a legs. So we team off, weve got a team that works on the robotic part, the form, and we started teaching the robust, weve the human cigna. They said the brain are going to need signals through the computer to the robot. Right, the easiest coming on a cell. We reprogram we made a bring organ, a line thats pretty organized now since you know anything directly we for robotic interface. The, some people keep asking or imagining. Wow, i mean, can these oregon wise at one point become cautiousness or, or, or self aware of the start to is an oregon no idea dish and i think thats possible. We dont have any evidence that this is happening now, but he might be testing the future. Well get to that stage. It makes me wonder how soon it will be before its not just in sick robots, but androids power, but artificially created brains. The depend, ive always been fascinated by how this country embraces ancient tradition and futuristic to the this is canon and andrew, based in the 400 year old temple in kyoto, where she gets timmons on buddhist teachings that are 2500 years old. The thats the next. That in the demo system, the cutest. I think he killed kind of see already for come monday. Kid. I didnt know you could be a connection. You know, in the see that even got got 3 fact zebra. In the female, the androids have become part of the fabric of everyday life in japan. We cannot separate the robots and humans went through the possibly humans humans up of the board. You know, she should. Google has been staring down that fin line between humans and robots. Hes the director of the Intelligent Robotics Laboratory as most of the university, and im doing wrong on the bill to by a professor so he should go. By creating a bit of human life robots. Im trying to understand, what is your mind . Is it whats uh, whats kind of on the assess, we have other humans, right . So, you know, im trying to think we mentioned that the ideas onto that robert. Im jim and lloyd and shy fine. You might be fries, you should not be. It will shes building early prototypes for what may become much more advanced a androids. My name is jeff. No, it has travelled around the world to give talks. And even though its a far cry from the androids on west world, heres an a i clone that looks so much like the human people see the android on stage and mistake it for him. People say so. And that to me, that people recognize they might android as myself. I to watch a quite interesting experience for me. It is very difficult to pull that you called me on on the last minute, assuming i should have on file that we have to make us fox the out of us. This is the fucked Development Center all on the right to catch you. And she has collaborated on many androids including their latest child robot called it booky. Ringback it booky translates us breath symbol of life. A bookcase, a child with amyris, everybody. So kind to the child on the right. 22 are good. It was just so weird because youre like a right script. My hand move. Yeah. Its so strange to be held by the key. Whats going on in his mind could issue so nice to meet the uniqueness of a japanese, the spirit, so jump on is the cartridges. So we be, every single has a saw. This one has us on to joe has a saw them. I have a solid design, so we did it with this thing. Is this your mind . The others and everythings as a sort of watching you do key. I cant help but seem as a little child filled with curiosity in wonder about the world, the plan. Okay. But again, i can say, he said, when you see a spike in the information technology, theres a sign that youre in the, in of times there was always, i didnt say that he did it over here by mr. Daniel chapter 12. Billy kronos. The reverend at Sunrise Baptist Church in las vegas, hes been following the latest developments in a, a in biotech or letting this technology out of so called pandoras box. Or it could very well spill it, the end of mankind its, its a threat to our, our existence, multitude to sleep in the dust of the earth while awake, some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Bible says youre going to live on forever. Is one of 2 places. You go to heaven or you go to hell. Thats it. So thats what the sad thing is, the transfer you minutes. They think theyre gonna live on forever. Well, i dont disagree, but technology isnt gonna lead you where you need to go. Youre not going to get to continue to replicate yourself. It is a point of man to die once and then face judgment. The visions of the apocalypse have hunted us through millenniums. In the past, we turn to god for the promise of salvation. Any turn a light but we live in the digital age now and look to technology for the answers. Are we creating an a i supreme being in our own likeness . What happens if the creation, smarts, the creator, what is the cost of this current . I normally would say thats makes boston on the ted stage talking about when a i will become smarter than us. Were actually recently arrived. Guess on this part of the human spacious. Well, like, think about if the world life was crated or it was created one year ago, the human speech has done would be 10 minutes old, or nick is a philosopher at Oxford University who works alongside computer scientists. Is ted talk had a huge impact and explorers these ideas further in his book, super intelligence. So for intelligence, if any intellect that radically out performs even the, the sharpest human minds across the board. So imagination, try to get these social skills wisdom, the full tunnel play a few minutes. I can see the not just one more engaging. Its a general substitute for human cognition. The might on a superintendent mind, entirely devoted to maximizing the number of paper types that exist in the world. So it would create great schemes for achieving political control, maybe in about and telling you Manufacturing Technologies where maybe the earth and then the rest of the universe is turned into the paper tape factors. So this is a cartoon example. The specific example of paper to expect there is a real point under like this, which is that if youre not really careful, you might then get the world thats shaped according to a kind of florida objective that starts to the survival of the human species or other ways that the future can be permanently destroyed, the permanently destroyed. I dont even know what that would mean. A i taking over the entire universe. That could be the end of consciousness, not just earth. And it would be our own doing. You are Everything Else all calls to me to be to mean to me, to me, to me, to me or, or can i by everything those. This is a voice rendition of facebook, a chat box talking to one another, u r r r. Everything else, they were shut down when developers realized they had created their own coded language. Pauls have 0 to me to me, to me. Its a far cry from computers taking over the world. But it is a i taking our language into completely unforeseen territory. You are Everything Else the douglas west coast as a writer and professor of media studies at City University of new york. Most of the folks i talk to in the a i world think of a i as a way to improve people. Not just that a as a we smarter but that they will be somehow more ethical. But will they be alive . Is the real quick, she will, they be conscious . What distinguishes us from the machine is that we could even ask a question. That question is becoming more and more urgent with the recent advances in a i douglas wrote a book about it. It seems human is really meant as an optimistic rallying cry to say were worth something and all that stuff that youre looking for and the screen is right there in all the other people who are looking at their screens right now that youre going down a dead end and its not, its not too late. Okay, so thanks and welcome. Yeah. So i was on a panel with that famous trans humanist who was arguing that human beings should pass the torch to our f. Illusionary successors. I argue, you know, they know that, that human beings deserve a place in the Digital Future that we should be around for something other than keeping the lights on for the computers and then, and then fading away and to extinction. And he said, oh rush, cause youre just saying that because youre human, its like, it was humorous, then thats when i said fine, you know, guilty as charged right on on tv. I said, yeah, give them im on, im on team human. The reflection we can call you, my name is huge today my daughters and i get to meet my avatar. How old are you . Im not sure how to answer that. Dont ask me something else. Um, what is i born uh, do you know my name . Yes. Your name, sir . Uh. What grade in my in your going into grade 7. Whats one of your favorite trips with us . A newborn. We got your passport. And we took the trulia thailand where you were on the beach too. We took you to see me. Im sure here it was while to see it in action. Sometimes it felt creepy to me like the face route, but its why of that look at are looking at us tracking us. Wow. What did you guys think talking to that avatar . The i would try doesnt really have a soul, you know, so its, its like, you think theyre having these emotions, but really, theyre just, they, they just react because humans back that way. But really, theyre not feeling it. Would you want to become in myrtle digitally . I dont think you can it, does that makes sense . Like, i think even if youre that kind of stuff as part of you is going to fade away the after months of social distancing my uncle and i finally get to visit my father. The i cant have them, but at least were together. Okay. Again. So i, i brought some fat photo albums. Do you remember that . Or was that the you took that very convincing then . No, no, no. Yes. Who is this . The in need me and or see your wife, i think is i thought the photos would help, but maybe my dad story telling days are over. I remember what tell fee could told me about all our senses being intricately connected to memory. And i have an idea, remember you surpass records a pass to member this records the are you are the ones that, uh the doris day sang the song 64 years ago when my dad was still a teenager on a farm and south korea. When i was job job there, my nose here, there are into a new goes here to see who we are to come to the to frontier. Yeah, cranberry, even though. Right. This is the beginning of the story of my parents life together. Its cool to hear him tell it to me. Now. Life is so fleeting. I wonder if i will ever be able to capture that. Especially fragile moments like these when i was just i asked my mother with the heres what shes the villagers. Okay, said the what the, when i grew up the, my sweet the, the sales out the stadium cam in rand r s t knows how to make the most out of this thing with people that call your, on your next to me please let us know. For him, its not about the concerts, its about the climate. He wants people in his home country to plant a 1000000 treatise. His friends are all in africa. In 30 minutes on d w, the its evelyn charmaya. Welcome to my pod cast matters that i am vice celebrities, influenza and experts to talk about all plain love data and india today. Nothing less the south, all these things and more and the new season of the pop. Com. 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