Kind of jumped up some successes on the battlefield in recent weeks. Ive actually taken back control of drilling platforms now in the black sea. Ive been on it if you could give us an idea of some of the, of the scale of the challenges k of now faces in order to make further advances. I think it would be really difficult to overestimate the challenge. I mean, the brand is, uh, uh, ranged against what a stablish rushing defenses. Other options have, have time to begin. They know, by digging in theyve got in probably by the book. And the credit is gonna break it into that very, very well accept offensive design breakthrough. Its by going to take don, mine feels like go to us. Theyve gotta keep with the significance. Ill talk to the risk incoming file. Theyre going to break through and then theyre going to break out and theyre going to do all of this without proper eye color without a superiority which no nature allow me, would consider the insight about that doing as well. No, no. So im a full stop has done a pies up to go crossing in really difficult circumstances, you know of the day. So ill be with the exception of the u. S. Codes because even take this long coded and its cutting it back out and fold. Oh, i think i think it is, i think any nice i well, i mean, but, but the, so as far as to high intensity, come back on pricing would be, would be prepared to take this on, but not with our an extraordinary amount of time preparation, training of building up the equipment building are kind of national during your time in a sense it is is this as well . Um, i mean the, the, the conversation did in 91. 00 was to break for the rocky defensive position, but it was on a post. So it was pretty easy, guy never has done this since the 2nd world war in your medicine has always have sped, j is on Counter Insurgency in places like iraq, as you mentioned, that kind of stuff. So theyre not exactly used to defending against a huge invasion, but your emphasis and the last few months has been on telling them that they should is that which i think is going to happen. I think its nice to have is digital russia long tom. Nature is going to be printed prepared for the worst case, which is to be prepared to fight russia. We have major armies of golf. Ive got to put the Conference Agency mindset behind them. And we cant do that. So there is an understanding of time constituted. Combat operations, which was the underpinning of National Armies during the cold war. Now thats going back a very long time. Ive started a new generation, have got to find ways to do as the exact same of sleet of foot to resubmit it. As if weve seen the its members zombies and spend a few days in latvia training where someone just realized the whole data and personal speak the same language with the same degree of proficiency, nevermind type job. So the 3 out of 24. 00, but its big military vehicles broke down on the boat the way its not impressive is at the moment. Well, they say, i mean i remain a sign of nice i, but you have to recognize it was nice that it takes time that its a Consensus Organization i added its got to be able to is it has to move up to speed of a flight of shipping, the convoy, i mean, coming back to your fast, theyre all tempted and thats the strategic point, your tactical points that youre talking about. Well, thats what exercises are full to test to get it right until during this time where things are going wrong. And so you can put them right, they started flights of thoughts made. So multinational operations, at least its the but it needs to her and its capability. And its the heritage capability by training. And if it can do that really pursue the, the to see, right . So then span it can, it can build the big begin to build up that to turn capability that is needed. But outside of that, so i was now, i went all the way more than 18 months into the largest live void. Youll have since the 2nd world war. Shouldnt things be going a little better these days . Why didnt might just saying things going wrong. The battle from the start brought from us, but i mean, we need to recognize this more didnt begin in february 20 uh, february 2022. It began in, in, in, in march, 2014 mazda, right. When ross or a talked to brian, all you play february 2014 when its a nice kind that i just made. So how it works or not, but im and really puts in place by metro is required to build up. Its high intensity capability a we might not be where we are, be your brain might off by re, by, well, anyway, factors, we all where we all so what so showed us to the grind started make it happen, drive all as you call to for not to do that sort of thing. So im with you completely lost to a study as parameters for kind of callous of all the data is previous plans for defending the Baltic States. A country with basic therapy wiped out of the map by a russian, a box datas, extensive planning stuff over the years of the code was increased based on post ability. Well, thats exactly why i write my book. Yeah, russia hi, highlighting the french to the Baltic States written as a way comp cool. To get nice. I was thinking about what it would do because car tell us was absolutely right. That if the russians attacked, it would have presented and they, so with the 2 options, one, run by accept number 2 months, a massive invasion of the voltage states to reach out to them. And so it is absolutely right. No, im not privy to the planning, but nature is putting in place extensive plans to defend nay to entire truth, which is exactly what it should be doing. But at the same time its one thing to put a plans in place. It needs the means to protect and that comes, brings us back to building up no size to turn. The capability of that means focusing on high intensity conflict on the capability is required for high intensity conflict. It also means providing the cash to do that stuff because i mean youve got the 3 largest economies in mesa, you got from germany and its only still not paying 2 percent of g d p to most defense. So what kind of signal does that send to the cabinet . Because when its on the site its, its a pretty full signal of a. Lets look at the positives last. Im in the positives of countries like island. Absolutely building up. Its kind of built as a go, the voltage sides started a lot the through right now. Likewise, of course that guys were not saying not i was in the Czech Republic recently, but check republic are really putting on money while theyre in boxes and building up the capabilities is that youre absolutely right. Countries like germany, its so late for us. Not yet beginning to spend 2 percent of gdp. Indeed, the job of Defense Budget for 2023 is that it was for 2022. What sort of cycle does lots and what does that tell you about the cycle . So i can vendor this cycle moments of greats change when germany was going to guarantee 2 percent of g d p. Yeah. On yeah, in defense, i would also not just like i wouldnt let but, and also the whole kinds of, i mean bridges. So not cosette, brittany will spend 2 percent 2. 5 percent of g d p. When the economy allows that off right, isnt good enough and thats where a long way short in this country side of western European Countries, frankly need to wake up if a little ball game in this conflict and ukraine with all the stop logistical penetrating political uncertainties thrown into the mix. How worried would you be a well, on an optimist, i made sure, but im also rest rid of this. I think the ukraine will achieve its military objectives. Ukraine is not going to stop slicing. Crime the determination, but will, in ukraine is absolutely extraordinary. Ukrainians, and that as i start fighting, ukraine will stop existing as a country, so they wont go on fighting until theyve defeated russia with always on the west. What does want to me though, is the west support for ukraine . Americans support for your grand . Were coming up to the election. Yeah. Free of or leading republican the content. Those upside, but i would pull out pull americans support from ukraine. I dont know. Election. Yeah. Means potential in decision and stuff is i worry about the level of capabilities support in, for example, whether your time continue to dig deep and provide the admission of our capabilities that your crime needs. I want to back provide rotation. I worry about provide attraction for example, job and it still hasnt been on his mind whether to send taurus the long range decision. No, so seriously capable and exactly what your Training Needs to compliment. Its high miles on the british storm shadow as well. So those of the, i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. And theres a simple question. Yeah. If the west does, what needs been done, the west is going to be more secure because it will mean ukraine can defeat russia quickly. If this thing runs old on, on, on the west as your, as a whole, will be less secure and in jeopardy storage. And we dont talk much about on the, in was these days. But its an honorable stops in your view for the west to say to you, okay. Okay, you go ahead and cite di for our values, and well give you some of what you need to do that. But were not going to risk upsetting your. Itd be too much so that he turns off is that on mobile . Well i think its difficult to think repaired for gonna try it out. Was honorable, im on the floor, for example, the nation that somehow the west and they tire shouldnt be. And in such thing, but your credit and find some more a that, that, that meets and that, but the way that nice i would do it might be a very simple gives you your credit into the means to do the job and let some get on with it provides a support in terms of intelligence and cyber and an e w, of course. But dont try, im 2nd guest, ukrainian generals, and say, you know what works. They have been fighting the russians not for over 18 months as they have, they have watched it, the russians, they have demonstrated that thats all about what they still like is real capability. And equally, your point about uh, putting the time to constraints on your brand. It is absolutely right for you grind development, defend itself to practice in a level right of self defense. And if i mean, striking out into a rush, i wont so be its, im afraid this self. The tyrants, as it was by the west has only resulted in, in the prolonged action of the war. If your brain on out the means to really follow up the river. The liberation of cas on in november last year. I think it might be different as it was, they didnt have that capability because of west ive not given them one rule. They really need it in, in a timely manner about a lot of the russians to reestablish the front line. So robot can to stop building the cycle so rover can line of defense making it much, much more difficult for the credit. And so thats a simple equation and was if you lived, if you concentrate of, if you, if you, if you really go for it, then youre going to change. All right . And so if youre in trouble, if youre prevaricates, youre going to make things much less because it kind of take much, much longer. Youre talking about ukraine striking into russian territory with costa bones. Have you no qualms about that . 100 countries, so about little of them. A mazda i the problem, is there a, a file on file . I dont expect to walk across the mail, and absolutely to close the use of trustable spots. If you, if trust, if you train needs possible items to clear a russian friend of systems on your credit, entire tree, that is a completely different pass you that as a model for the pregnancy. But what your crime does need is long range because theres new types of bullets is so that it can target russian logistic installations headquarters on the light and, and make it very difficult for the russians. Youve got a wide, influential circle of ukrainian contacts, government collins, military intelligence in may you even spend the nights in a, in a bomb shelter and care . Is that right on the front part of the nice of the functional to along with many of the people who visited you crime, what was the mood like the inspirational determined . Absolutely, this is wrong. I mean, the current is, as i said out there, ill click that determines uh, to find to protect. But let me say they recognize that this is a will not just against ukraine, but its a current thats a war against the west. And you pray and joining the west, the determination, the inspiration of the engineer to the, of the use of the leadership. This is a dynamic country, determined to build it, to protect itself and to build itself up until the account. Im part of the west that people are afraid about what the west might do or might not to to help them of a losing face in the west. I think they are known as the grateful to the west for what the west has given them. I think i understand a bit better is frustration, but the west is trying to 2nd guess them and tell them how to use it, where a number and the number of recent articles but rich rich. But so i think ive made the point in the west. Were trying to, as i can guess, the requirements, but fundamentally, i think you companies are absolutely absolutely grateful, but let them get all those i set out in that some get on and do what they need to do without interfering with them. And the comments like, uh, will be with you all the way for as long as it takes they listen to those coming out of brussels vegas. And then i was coming out of washington that i believe of. Do you believe them . Well, i checked them at the 1st round here, but i do wire, as i said on the that will continue unless the positive actually lets, lets make that for example. Yes, the nice i saw it was very clear in terms of the support, but i would like to see also actually a statement of them based on the summit that ukraine will join nature when the conditions allow when the financing has stopped. And i went ahead and we are okay to give you without any less or hindrance everything, you need to make that pricing start as quickly as possible. In other words, to defeat the russians. I the chief joke and bring back to or you can entire train on the you create in solving to control several how, how finely balanced is this more in your view, how could things go badly wrong for you credit and what are the possible inflection points that youve tried, needs to watch for and what do you guys going to continue to defend the russians while continue to months offensive operations, where they see opportunities as they are indeed mounting some reform all offensive in the northern part of the house. It appears mark where the effective results. So you can go to continue to protect itself protected center of gravity. Its also strength and its also strength visits people and it will add its determination. The lots may so a lot, so its also got a protected source of strength, which is, its a lot cation. I think it ukraine will prevail. I think your credit is prevailing at the moment, but it can, it will only achieve final victory when it was broken through the russian defences. And in my view from crime to and from those lines of communication, don to crime the, making it very impossible for the russians total. And that is going to require a huge amount more effort. And lets be on site jeff. Its not going to be over with one offensive. I think we have to be ready to support the ukrainians in a series of counter offensive, or which are going to require the same level of training equipment im edition. Is that the launching of the fast defensive across it . This could run on for time. So the west nature needs the strategic patients to continue to support your grand till the end of the day. You know, how about the possibility . I think it was a, in an article in may that if the west 1000 and supply all the hardware you pay needs now, victory may not be possible. A nice entrance might have to intervene, directing to assure that k f wins. Um, do you think thats a real possibility . Is that something that nato would have seriously contemplate that they saw never seriously contemplated before . 2014 or even up to 2014, an invasion of ukraine. By rushing nature, i never seriously contemplated the Baltic States would be for us. And you can never say no, i thought it was set up for her son because this wasnt about it, but it never do. Rarely, if it really seriously salt nice i would. And at the rock that would you invite you crane. I think youd have seen a completely different approach to turns back up the call this nation. I saw this in 2014 for example. So never roll anything out. Um does what is nice . Okay. Do i have to get involved . I pray not. But if the alternative is a decade of stay on mates a decade, all an enormous conferences, a running so in Eastern Europe, who knows nature, paul might need to get involved in order to swing the balance because that sort of style made a running so in Eastern Europe, along the borders of ukraine is going to be a french to, to europe in security. And if at the end of the day your pan security is, is threatened. Nationally, security is trenton, nighttime may have to take action to support you credit. But the way to avoid is that the way to avoid nato engagement is the double don know, and next. Yeah. On what the crating needs to achieve victory or just a follow up on, on how you think this might go . Do you think the base or whatever chief consensus on a plan to move in directly assisting credit enforcers with members Like Congress . Ill step back yet. So i k o possessing a veto, isnt the getting together to do that. Well, it goes, australia is, is not as all the major a number, but no point is absolutely fine. The coast consensus would be incredibly difficult to get concepts that consensus. But as i said out, it may tire moves at the speed of a flyer to ship in the convoy. And if, if the threats is the, is the circumstances of im not clear and not the moment, but here not errors antonios time. The things may well have changed and if it needs to nice or well get that, youve told him some of your interviews about a war last thing 2 to 3 years. No quick fixes. Is that a danger that over such a long periods, but it will result as globalized . It drops from the headlines. People get bored, they lose the fighting spirit. Money dries up on the priorities begin to dominate. Is that a possibility in this instance to think . Absolutely, absolutely. And thats exactly what im worried about, the west losing interest, the west losing momentum, the west losing 5 coast may. So i may say, oh im, is they tied Defense Forces not building themselves up. Suffice without being built off to face those right . Absolutely. Thats my concern, but the with, as i said, i that with an election the next year in america, will america continue to provide that enormous capability . And thats something we got to watch. And it comes back to my point about the way to make sure that ukraine achieves that spectra as quickly as the double dawn of what it needs. Now, in order to avoid that long running, the long running and settlement do for see what kind of your do you foresee coming out of this or its, its not going to be the same. Is it . Nothing is ever going to be the same again after this, what changes . Everything changes, doctrine, it changes a whole perception of security in your doesnt it, i think very still saw it very still in your, among European Countries a lingering feel that somehow we can go back to some sort of states of the quote to with russia that is not going to happen. What ever happens . Yeah, lets assume you create a cheese. Thats been a trip tractors. Lets assume the guns bull silent. The veterans some as a result of 5 of the russians brought up a white flag old as an honest as or something. And the ukrainians able are able to, to deliver it as much of the country as i will, a lot of them the security of, of it was not looking for that is not going to stop russia. The russian does are under what a leader is in the kremlin. Russia will continue to want to eliminate ukraine from a map. Its built into russian dna that ukraine cannot exist as a, as a country. There is no such thing as a separate nation or culture of ukraine, and that means that ukraine has got to become part of no time. And that means, but in order to protect and they try to protect your protect the laws, protect the crane nation. I was going to establish a bond of the tire and steal around around Eastern Europe to include ukraine, multi box, georgia, maybe even one day by the us to protect against a russian. Because what were witnessing is a decline of the russian. And this is going to play out over the decades to com. Its not a bit of an over and done with the quickly. Its yours of my grandchildren. Honeymoon pricing is challenging. And so the only way to maintain peace in your loan is through an effective nature to turn so that instead of change that change but dynamic and economically financially, the way your positives business the patio is completely dropped out. But thats my view of the way things are going to happen. Do you think they duction of nuclear to tones as guides to survive this conflict . Now the russians being waving gets nukes and all faces. And are we going to see only of a new care um, states doing the same thing, whatever they want, something that we wont give them is. Yeah, i mean, i think youre going to be ready to cancel it, but as, as assuming, but somehow because weve got, youre right in this country weve, weve got tried to attempt to come to the attempt to continental, the signal solves that is going to credibly russian aggression to the tire effectively, you need to be able to deter at every level of symmetric, conventional, tactical nuclear, all the way out the scale. I think for the foreseeable future, russia, of course, will post a new friend. The way to to the target is to have effective new political turns as well as conventional the turns by the way to and showed up a new class. So the Nuclear Saber rattling is, is, in a sense rendered um, meaningless is through effective conventional to tire detox because of rational things that it can get away with Nuclear Black mile vette. It wont try that. And if you have effective the terms on every level, it wouldnt be able to provide for your, for your home, the big a problem, the west to show that it listens to new play a blackmail. Its been listening to what the credit of the sentence its, its telling down its rhetoric and hasnt given you credit the weapons that need it listens to new, clear black man. And that makes it valuable to basically like north korea, doesnt it . Well, lets just back to my point about self determines uh, im not cooling pritchens month. I mean, lets be clear. And the sort of new saber rattling is really, really dangerous. But yeah, the west needs to be absolutely unequivocal. And im shoulders the top of, i mean, i think we have to know upset and of course is that there is communication between america and russian. Up there is communication between certain all the native capital and russia. Im absolutely certain that the message has been played out very powerfully, but if there is in the fall of new cars that are new to release time to come over. Otherwise, russia can expect us not to a massive pain conventionally as a result. But the wesley spit clara determined about that. So richard sheriff, we broke out of time. Unfortunately, i thank you very much for being on complex. So thank you for having me. Thankful for your time. Thank you. The the good side and all that good side of the night. What about the answers . Were just responsibility. The project enlightenment in 15 minutes on the kluge landfill in romania is raising a major stink. B, e u has invested 40000000 euros in creating a modern Waste Management system. But where has the money gone . 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