Modem and everything was going well and s b a. Then the war began to sort of out. Everyone was forced out. This is my father. What . The other one, whats his name . Thats more about the g. The and best cut them quite. His hands were tied. Yes. Whos that . My brother in law, how does that told bosh comes of the bush for them quite as you know is hands were also tied with plastic. See how that works . Can i encourage a couple of, do you like to leave the upload a sent a way the women in his family and some relatives to be kind of uh, let me see that for you to necessarily city on september 23rd, 2019 at around 3 pm. Total 7 or 8 born or has entered the house. Let me just see if theres gonna be a new one. Was that they were probably russian. Those are the my brother Mohammed Mohammed are the norm and it gets plastic film definitely in the Office Monday enough. So just like the others, listen, yes. One second them who were also tied up like that more. But you cant get free sort of any lame on board. You left me but you know, let how much i told him he should go fish and whom is that . Why did he stay look on as if he was too proud to go. He told me he was ready to die in his house and with the in april 2019 libyan war. Lord general. Hi lisa has launched an assault on the un recognize government and previous capital. Tripoli, the, it soon became clear that half those troops known as the Libyan National army, the l. N. A, were not acting alone. The server that the Intelligence Agency reported on it. Cut them, not that many of them. Youre an estimated 200 people. Me to answer for about them, but the fighting went on, are the number grew up or what not the from the start, these forces made a difference on the battlefield. A clear difference was how kennedy had they had weapons wed never seen before as to how they can then most of how would seriously see any precision guided ammunition can snipers. 7000 home was camacho understood. They hit with aimed at those tenny and was that they could take out a moving car no time. Totally from ken. Hey, anyhow, for them. And they were highly trained militarily in the account of the deep asked me for unlike under the deaf comedy. Any, i mean im can we any uh jimmy on this day or the same clothes, helmets, and body are the the canada we found out who they were when they went to the front them and im home. I got a view, they were mainly russians and bore from countries of the former soviet union savvy. 4 months reporters from the bbcs, arabic and Russian Service is carried of research into russian mercenaries in libya. The theyre known collectively as the wagner groups. But who is dog now, and why was the group in libya . And most importantly, who was pulling the strings . The been unlucky break the okay, here we go. Um by them. How do i do the, the, can weve got this is the tablet Government Troops has found a lot on sort of the, about the quote that im talking about on the well, it belong to. One of the wagner men who were stationed in the items are area within the cells of tripoli. I cant imagine why you didnt see him on top of things are going to dallas. And i tried that and there are a lot of houses on the most important is offline maps. Many locations are marks of on come up to the one on a and id them. And, and monica with this, the, this is triple a, in the west of libya, all the names are in russian. Many locations are marked in different colors, not even in the market. Or next to the end when sound like a, like a minimal, probably below. Last, most, most in read below and others are in blue and that got it done by the a few smaller places in black. We even see yellow here, and those are the, as you see, all the points are near ions are of the south of triple or the whole. Yeah. If you can look that over to the adamant again, it eyes that were going to ions are the middle where this tablet was filed with the names that are kind of items are a head, a heavy russian presence according to the civilians and military personnel where they ask any of you that kind of want to come up to them and them as you can see in the areas. Now m to how many is or if there was a mass exit. Its for hines, art at the time of the things that its residents returned once the war ended, i know the, they were way for more than a year, not a Southern Center veterans. You wont find me under high some while i finally spend 9 weeks fighting vag. Number scenarios in odds are they were only 10 kilometers from tripoli. And i do come up because i know the enemy was over there by the tower and the mosque. They drove up and down in an Armored Vehicle with their wounded countries of how the oh and you can most of the time this is where the russians had their observation post where theyre snipers were stationed. Lets have a look at the do you know, where was the sniper exactly at the moment this was this domain back and im thinking that we were at the end of the street and had this investment. Oh, okay. Not to time, as you get a clear shot in several directions to everything and view, then they can have a not a good idea of what do you think about the russians who are here . Most of mercenaries. Anyhow, they only care about money for her. The search um or another they kill, so they didnt see if they commit crimes for money. So thats the problem that in and is its a criminal organization. One of them was it on me. So really about about, off has been researching the wagner group for the bbc for years pioneer. So these are, these are the locations that were saved by the vegan, a soldier on a tablets as they were fighting. So they would have the tablets on them. And all these locations were saved as landmarks. So do you have a significance to the soldier in regards to the fights and they were doing and names or so, and if i start from the top here, and this is the closest point to ship release. So this would be a nines our phone line. Im going to zoom in a bit more as it is. And this could be a list of targets. For example, they write to thermal targets, or nighttime arrival. Diesel reach beloved said it may be that meant a shall land and there at night, so i dont know who to do with this. So if hes zoom in here earlier, is this mohammeds asian . It probably means some kind of local commander was working with them because lower down is the word study, use it. So the kids, so due to the arabic means, friend. So they can use of they called the troops, they cooperated with and syria substitute troops. And you will see that thats apparently what they call general half cars forces. And lydia has come up and she learned very simple language and so called sound like code names. They probably had a check point at the junction of each other is a come to the judging from the code names, the read positions are those of the mercenaries. So any of these things from the code names that we have for some of the soldiers will when we be able to identify them . Yes, of course. Hes cute. We have list says wagner personnel with names and phone names that you guys send me just because theres no thats those mobile. We could use this map to start digging limits. And thats a stupid thing to do. The typical buttons that are most someones at the wagner group is one of the most secretive organizations in russia. I could send that the company. It doesnt even officially exist at some point at 50 percent. More than 5000. 00 people are found to be part of this organization, named after the grades of german composer. When you get the complexity. And i dont mean to bug the mercenaries dont give interviews because any that you do to former members agreed to talk to us if we kept their names and identity secret. But it was for the semester could i mean mean not uniqueness. Defined the username, these are their exact words spoken by actors. So i need to get it running his cousin level as well. Some of us to let start with something simple chicken company. How would you explain who the wagner group is and what it does to someone whos never heard of any store . Does that or can use that to future models . And you might have, you know, not just a little, i still knew id probably start by telling them what i was told when i joined the show and about that just to, to, to do it. Because its an organization that supports russian interest to yall and our countrys borders to me. So to get to that, but it does much not live upon union a so, but as a dutch, you know, it takes on special tasks. That means military operation was east. So then what kind of people joined and then what is left to me . There are 3 categories. They, you have a 3, could you go to a little g firstly, men who cant imagine any other life for themselves at what the corn mercenaries. So that to that list job is the only way they want to live and earn a living. We split that so you raise new up, shit, sports. And what about the, when youre doing your book of what people, if you see that i get you go to it till you get to the category to people with a sense of hopelessness. Any more would make you was more or less the just to envision that they cant see any other way to support themselves. And usually who would it become because there is no other option to go to a general mind to keep. And the 3rd category romantic, usable a dream or is in search of an adrenalin hit. You know, also want to serve their country. Issue was more than just post literally good cheese. Lab, no units, photo along side pro russians separatists in Eastern Ukraine in 2014. In 2015, they showed up in syria, and then the Central African republic ensued on and in 2018 libya. Over the last time we started getting reports of russians fighting for the so called, or wagner group on half to our side in the fall of 2019 half that i cannot see a heidi how the scene with this of us, the media. Its in front of us. I dont know exactly how many were in libya. Be so 500. 00 both a 150. 00. So if 1500. The numbers very not what they were there in 2019. Thats a fact. We saw mercenaries come in on both sides of the conflict. You also had the number of the syrians, thousands of syrians who were brought in uh on the part of the on behalf of the gen a through, through turkey. We were concerned about this, you know, insertion of mercenaries and weaponry that was perpetuating, intensifying the conflict and leading 1st and foremost the reservation of the living people. This need needed to stop because we knew there was not, there was going to be a military solution to this conflict. Came a form of as far as i understand, it was so cool. The russian governments position was the following. Legal, you have left them joint and well wait it out. What early in the front . Yeah. You mother. Yes, i cannot. These, you can look at these usually if it works out well, we can use it to our advantage. If it turns out badly, then we had nothing to do with it much that are are there. So last time we spoke we um, we shared with you uh, some of the exams are found by the tablets, other locations or the tablets. Um, can you tell us where you managed to find the yes, we ran all the names and code names of wagner fighters thought to have been in libya through a database. The database was compiled by ukrainian volunteers during fighting an Eastern Ukraine in 201420. 15000000 of us are to be that we were able to identify 2 or 3 of the fighters on the triple lima by it. So i thought as to the back of the 3 kinds of people. Oh wow, thats amazing kit. Are you able to share with me one of the identities on in the chat . So can have a look which is which we now know that this is dimitri, but on se was born in 1993 and this is code name. So lang that makes sense. And if its the name of a river, embody odds here in the russian. Far east of them is weird. See hes from booty. I see it. And that explains his code name. It is 5 minutes difference of you being for you is personnel number of shows. Hes one of the 1st people that joined wagner, at least in the mid those with numbers up to 3000, are those who went to fight 6 years ago and ukraines united issue. They went through syria and theyre now in africa, which is to the early set up. If you look nice, birthdate is about 28 years old. So that means you started fighting bagginger at the start of his twentys. Yes, judging from his age, he probably completed his national service, then the crane conflict started. Thats how he got involved. Youd be doing to the pacific on which we stood. What if ive sent you another link in the chat . This my pretty soon the, this is the day in and, and me, its kim at telephone as a door, andre of it. I hope i pronounced that correctly. Well, its more of how the code name meddler made me to the meta, exactly a short version of his surname, and thats the kind of shown that you will find me. What information have you minutes together about this guy . Hes just, hes significantly older than photo and stuff over 35. Judging from his personal number, he also joins wagner, 5 or 6 years ago, during the fighting and the eastern new crane by you being the best i can, can i you me and yeah. So just seeing this interesting picture of this guy was a big tattoo units on a chest. And the idea of what is tied to means is yes, i see its a sun wheel. Hes probably some kind of nazi or nazi. I dont. This is a common thing amongst background soldiers. Yes, there are some. So do you have um is them a phobic believes in . I dont think they care if they fight in muslim countries or anywhere else. They started out fighting and orthodox ukraine, and that didnt seem to matter. I dont think religion is the main thing here in a business, and youre good to go to. It should be an option. What was it that attracted you to the organization . Didnt give money . What do you mean you know, to people on the number to catch the but id already been a volunteer fighter and done boss in ukraine able to go and you dont mind to keep away in the i no longer believe in the romance of war certificate by not i knew the reality. So get onto the website. Yeah. I just needed the money to junior, which this bit of we went to the talk about going to libya starts and did you believe that was going to show we started talking about it early on. Whenever theres some kind of armed conflict, wagner soldiers talk about it. Luckily, im not sure and good. You could go to this one. That could be one for us. I would look to the political one the door, but almost of cause a standalone and get a its a contract that the doing every contract and every country means money. Yes. And you have to come without a contract . No money. So can you do that or what the pricing to be premium . How many wagner people were deployed in libya . Believe me. Yeah. As my brother i know about 2 units and they were replaced by another to me. I knew about them. So if you have some tubs of on the school, how many, many union members, i dont know exactly around a 1000, i can get the some with the friends in getting to these each item. Thats what a i some, i have a tablet that we got from one of the wagner locations on my equipment and on and off months. Were buying them. Their forces are in rid, yours are in blue. Uh let me see how the i was stationed here. The for concerning river wrong, and when you were stationed there yeah, safety, the enemy knew precisely where you were or how does that deal with them . Are there any . Uh so its a strange feeling to think that they tracked all our movements. Obviously already been well enough for them to come to me to find out if that was the wagner position. Weve located whether this is one of our positions and thats partners, or whether they can play the kennel via for fun or the feds, a trench or anything in advance. Or how are they able to locate you is so precisely, and go to the doctor and they monitored us with small drones. The, its a bit of a problem in front of me. Identify some of the wagner menu were fighting. Would you like to know who they were . Their name is on the pictures, the smell homo. So on the ticket so that the, this is one of the point saved on the tablet thats its named after one of the man municipal 150. 00 is called meddler as well. So that was our position as an estimate of cameron or his full name is say to or and to tell can i was born in 1984 which makes sent on 37. And i think the center as a sort of thats his picture. This is one of the guys who were fighting off in se hoodie, it feels weird. A lot of our studies much older than you send them before are these are the lives in the amount of supposed insured . Are guys are 21 years old . Thats a huge difference, that it can be a victim. I any effects of where the and booster it says that it means that they were fighting well trained russians all older than 30 and then and no can as close to the man. And i for one more moment, imagine what the battles would have been like if our people had been the same age and was edu gift canyon. And i said, hey, cool, the discussion of go get with you, maam. You have to study. I served for a long time in the organization in syria for going to us these get them when you, when the Libya Campaign star table. I didnt want to take as far as the line. You does a not in syria so many but, and definitely not in libya way of leading the least, you know, just well, i took part in the storming of pal mirror, but a union youve to meet for the liberation of the oil field school. Because how many of them died look like . Im always glad you asked me too many we you know, put up the numbers. Ok. We know that one of their primary re minutes was to protect the pulmonary tow mirror area. That area is really the heart of oil and Gas Production in, in syria. We saw spreadsheets with, you know, millions and millions of roubles being transferred in exchange for providing infrastructure, security and perimeter, security and securing the oil and gas facilities. And the wagner group would get a portion of the take from, from the production. Basically, the draft of the contract became public in early 2018. The 2 partners were allegedly, the Syrian Government and a Russian Company. As real posies, the Russian Company not only appear to profit from the gas and oil production, but was also apparently connected to the wagner group in libya, whats been at stake there are, you know, both oil um delivery from the ports as well as Gas Production facilities in that sort of been gauzy area, and then you know, going, you know, south and east word were haft, or is, is prevalent. The wagner mercenaries are sought to have taken up positions and key libyan oil fields. After the assault on tripoli, a contorted know what i mean is thats 3 statues, honor the wagner equinox. Dont think we play music. One shows a soldier, protecting a child is the, if the artist had been honest and thats the soldier would be protecting an oil the last quarter. Well and youve to move with that. I mean, the sort of general, all of this gun dental, they were many serious crimes committed during the civil war to be many were forced out of the supposed to have to house that. I mean the 134, the was under siege. My know, in the people were severely impacted us, mentally and financially as outcome. The homes were destroyed, all that position stone and theres many died in this will for children and women. These are the mother. She has to gloves. Wagner mercenaries committed a heinous crime against the family in espia, reared also to of the future that that was, should be in september. We were in this house and s b a on september 23rd 2019. So it was 3 oclock in the afternoon. I was running that item that we were about to go back to our other farm. Pretty popular. We met an armed group on the road and they started shooting in the air. The flemish mom and 6 or 7 mercenaries entered the house. They were foreigners, and it was clear they were from the wagner group lip soon. Uh, they put hoods over our heads, but we could still see a little that can know you and mr. Hope you had a component. They put us in a car, a nissan or so suki. And they took us to the concert, been gosh, year waterfront, indigo, civil associate residents secretly film the videos that showed the faces of lot, now mercenaries and libya. For the 1st time i heard the car leaving, so yeah, that was my father and brother and brother in law were all dead. How does that does to can you describe any of the people who fire that you want to find out and, and also what i look at on a so i sort of had this one was outside the supermarket and s b. I was involved and stuff like enough and this kind of heavy well i, you know, not him, but a similar type image. My one of them is from the far east chef the far east. Yes. Other words, im sort of, could you recognize him . Yes. Is this him . Do you recognize him . Thats him. Thats the message ive had a. So when did he have the same hair cut . Next . Yes, its on us. Are you a pleasant that his name is will that he made an announcement of the so what are your aliases . My alias is tobacco readings to my wife, my mother and my daughter, and my friends and the republican for out you when seems pressed more of a good that he was born in 1978. Look, his code name is rocca. See, he was in syria and, and libya he was accused of killing prisoners would be of a 1000000000. He was allegedly involved in the execution of ukrainian soldiers. And william, thats a little issue. Ukrainian activists are tracking wagner mercenaries who font in Eastern Ukraine. Weve had enough to mention ethics, we believe we wouldnt of us to complain. Theyve identified his last known location of seen as north africa, nova ellicott. So you will it the save it in there. Often it comes with anthem. But this is disputed by voc as friends on social media. I think its sadly you will come and you of course welcome to me. Believe you. They say hes alive and well at home in body, etc. Of the 2 is always that will we . We were unable to contact and i deem it undone of the do you have to keep it . Is it just to come in as the to a piece of president Center Recently the 2000 involved in emission res were in libya. Miami. Uh no. You want me to call uh, can i get the combined the box now . I mean, have russian citizens are there, then theyre not acting on the orders of the russian state, and theyre not getting money from the russian stay you believe here . Well lets go to though i talk a little so you can ask for team as many questions as we would like to use with with the weve heard many answers, but nothing makes sense. I hear and well see if its clear that without state support a company like that could never exist outside of north of, for example. So like when youve got personnel and equipment being transported in defense, ministry, plains use some of your in russian navy, cargo planes to syria. For example, heres the thing that i see the, the something to cover uh, float on a sheet delivery, an army attacked. Wagner positions and saw that a dean south of tripoli in february 2020. The Government Forces received military support from turkey, which helped to turn the tide against wagner. The group had been trying to find fresh supplies. The. These are the requests for military equipment. They were sent just a week after president pretend denied supporting russian mercenaries in libya. The the, the 1st thing is immediately of this, having had to look at this equipment request list is that now primarily russian manufactured and produced weapons. These are not weapons of easily available ass on the open market. The for the 272. 00, they are ordering, so its probably been upgraded. I wouldnt say sites with yeah, its probably at least some of the latest equipment on it. This isnt a unit that is content to go into the field with seconds ready to quit. If there was one type of weapon that jumps out to you as probably the most advanced thing, or, you know, the new point of view, the most interesting part would it be . Theres one piece of equipment that stands out here and its a particular right of the state to deal. And that radars task will be to collide analyze electronic signals intelligence over a much wider area. So that kind of leads one to assess that part of this unit may well be feeding intelligence fading electronic intelligence up to a higher level. Who do you think that might be for in order to be able to approve this kind of listener is obviously someone. Well connected, hire either politically or militarily within the bag in a group. And clearly some of them with extremely good access and my interpretation to the russian government the to do these look like genuine documents independent. Thats absolutely no doubt about a couple of the, you know, who signed this 9 is the code name for mr. Wagner or mr. Mckinney, who can himself the imagery in was once part of a Russian Special forces unit. Hes code name wagner because of his admiration for the nazis who appropriated the music of the german composer. The boat can is thought to be the founder and commander of the wagner group. Theres because got to, heres a clue, company youve a company, abriel police and you most of it was active in Oil Producing areas and syria. Seen this. It, it, you do this . So this information is about Radio Communication equipment, boston battle. I had that as piece and these are receipts for radios made out by field commanders who took part in the attack on tripoli is going to get, you know, the media reports, link police to business man. Youve got any precaution goals and, and hes known the russian president Vladimir Putin for a long time. Theres been some of the media call. The importance chef on zillow. Getting real simple, but im the most come november 2018. The footage of general half cars visit to the Russian Defense ministry, the among those present the you have guinea precaution, the flyer. Thank you for supporting the libyan people. And for your a in our fight against terrorism, the general hosta launched his assault on tripoli. Just 5 months later, i so youre getting for gordon is a well known Russian Oligarch who for many, many years was very close to the putting routine. But he is under sanction now by the united states. And so are his businesses, the pacific. You but a senior, these documents are addressed to a general director. Who could that be the most and with the most, i think the general director is you have any per goshen. We have fox, have you heard of the the list . Thats interesting. What im kind of the thing here, but i sure if theyre writing to the general director, the goshen is a businessman. He runs restaurants on you know, what they need to pay for the steam commute, but here they say they need tanks, dont they seem as well. But thing i forgot to talk to that means that the russian army is a serious organization. And to get a tank, you have to at least negotiate with someone as high as a general director. So its like youre not gonna affect the minimum of a regular Company Commander cant just go and pick up a tank whenever he needs. One or more of a part keeps that thought this new mobile precaution. Can you help me . I think so, theyre not just writing these letters for funding, but whats the, what they want to tax on adult ability to go to an ordinary soldiers say about precaution with the cook um dislike in harry potter, where no one is allowed to say the name voldemort will email its a taboo subject. Its better not to mention it to him a lights or you might end up in a metal box with a messed up face for 2 weeks that you go to this video and im convenient. It sounds good to me. Its only because you goes to the bottom, you didnt use it in the heat and a metal container that so with a messed up face. If you have any pre goals and spokesman denies any connection between pre goshen and Everett Police as well as any human rights abuses committed by russian citizens in libya at 11 15 am. This mornings here, new un headquarters and geneva, the 2 libyan delegations. Signs a complete country wide and permanent cease fire agreement with immediate effect. The parties agreed the old military units and armed groups on the front lines shall return to their camps. The shelby, accompanied by the departure of all mercenaries and foreign fighters from all the band territories within a maximum period of 3 months from today. So so, so, so, so, so our other said, oh, the units have left their mark on tripoli in the form of minds and booby traps around the problem. The words danger mines are written on this wall. Well yeah, an arrow shows where they are logging in on that. Well there at least 3 children have died in this neighborhood of 3 children from that. Ultimately, yes. From families that came back customer to ask you how to take this quote to the mines. Youre always worried that you could lose someone. You dont wanna come in at the report, say thousands of foreign fighters remain in libya including members of the wagner group. The the because india, the floods in himself to dish and other regions of india is swept away entire villages and took many lines environmental active as to now demanding building projects to be more sustainable and designed to protect both humans, the environment. Eco, india is 1st name, it is on d, w. 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