Billionaire, for the foundation, the researches ethic has problems and rewards those who try to sol. So does he ever lose faith in africa . The feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. But we, we would find a way for one of the core of africas problems. He says this 5 governance for why is it still so prevalent . How was it that African Leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes was behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine. Is it paid back for the rows of colonial, occupies the mo, most welcome to come fix a thanks, dave. So youve tried so many years to promote that governance in africa, in some countries youve had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. In su, don, the country of your bus decades of fighting another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you . Is the very best at standard work. And ill be able to handle this. Ive done this. And what we have here is to size this fighting a button in, in our capital. Each side wants power and was power comes financial. This was, this is still a blessed story. And this is story of full. Yes. I made it to the cause is essentially old story unfortunately. And enough is enough for all those guys, despite treasures by both sides, to respect humanitarian principles. That hasnt been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. Why is it okay . Absolutely. I dont see the shift issue of them think they can somehow when this dont the kind of be a were not here to kind of be were not the only who is us able to find this losing do so that these people are losing the list of infrastructure we have is being destroyed, detective really isnt a mess. And most of it is of buying the soldiers. Its, it is, it is very sad. Do you ever lose faith in africa . No. Despite to this thats going on. Yeah. Thats when can 3 out of 54 guns accordance on index in the last, over the last 10 years. You know, we produce an index. Somebody you have governance in africa are the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. So are moving forward. Thats it backs in some countries. Unfortunately, one of them is my country. But we, we would find a way for what but this conflict is youve also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of back, sliding democracy as the number of states, bad governments. Youve quoted africas own goal. And you said we are responsible for how much of africa shows your sense of responsibility for this. We okay. This the funding governor, governor, its a z d. I bought a number of of, of deliverables. One of them of course, is human rice delivery about submission, etc. I dont know about digital quarterly then these are human developments. And so theres a ruler of security. And the bitch of the bishop is really mix yes. Course over the last 10 years after got made the point of progress in the area of infrastructure and human development, vintage occasional based on handbook non secured, no security, im sort of low, is going down and actually why, why is the connection between the 2 . That the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a its, its intrusion, a creative assessment. Uh. Then you have also extend effective as like climate change. We have, you end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. And if thats not to manage, it ends up its a ethnic conflicts that happened in the for i didnt have a claim it on legitimate, but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably that end up and see 100000 people get. So it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of Natural Disaster habiting because of climate. Thats one element you you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. We started to see this phenomena of a strong man. Its something we need to fight back against. How do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across south africa, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal gangs that kill for the sake of it. How. How do you fight back . You can see, i think the young young people are looking to to having in comfortable weatherstone banners. So that for 50 years, encouraged jenna. But she was infection about 430. 00 is created for this military organizational. Now theres no time off for him to have an army. He kind of gets into the support forces and called him mit, you know, and it has a for him at the is my board section and the, the collision center. He just has an army. His party has an issue, he had ordered the stuff, which is just kind of just quotes, so that he is hit the same kids who grew up on the hes or go to the buys. What volume is a city for them . Oh gosh, a. This is a and b will will give us whole because they will not accept the soldier. They will not accept a tyler and he will not accept the death of ships and the width of just the need for 3. It is now green solution. So then, because the young people would not accept this will just, you say, you say that you say that, but thats one of the more depressing by products of conflict and back governance is that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics according to Afro Barometer report last month, that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. After a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. Now a slim majority, theres a majority, is willing to accept military intervention. If elected officials abuse that pass, that has to be dangerous for them, at least it is dangerous. As the problem is you take gaining, for example, we have to have, as the con, the ap using fall off his power. And then trying to deal with the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position im fed and a guy who was a democrat before getting follow didnt power gets to his head. And now being the data. When electrical came again, is this guy, you understand why people say all as one of the fruit goods they do for him. So dont know, 3, this important political data. Happy to get rid of the really a quarter of a civilian who really up using is the quickest issue. Shouldnt end up losing his body if you have time for that is but yeah, if they can get rid of something. But then, but then the problem is you are, you are replacing the south around was a different, i mean that, that is, that it doesnt look like that. Thats why i, i us be well need to live that there is also enough to to seek the 4 of the beds, the, that its also important to know what youre going for. And this is that instead of ending up mid support your community. Cool again, is that so any effort to the 2nd but the, tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. Unfortunately this is something we can passion of work with only in africa. Our guys in africa, lou cut out. I do see over just stalling and stalling me all over the place. You know, and we have promptly not steps. Well have the key labs and i sure will have china web philippines. What, how many strong men of them . We see this fraction of a strong board is, is coming back again. One of the best i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, or, or the about why i cannot be like to look at and why cannot be like this is a time for a strong man unfortunately. And we need to wake up to that is not an african phenomenon. Its a problem for me. I mean, id like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this is taking precedence, done at the moment, um, one to the violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. Go back in 2010. The New York Times bureau chief, east africa, reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian most of africas fighters. He said what rebels with a cause, they would predators, and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. To what extent is that still look . It is, it is unfortunate to paper that a number come with some countries of last week. Ill have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. Unfortunately, we thought we finished. Im thought that was you. Cool. You know, this is each at a, in the 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a course im willing to be careful about this then that gave us an extra division question. I mean, i know it is estimated to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa . Why do we do that . What does it show the items the item is suppose to protect you on board . Who is it in the african countries setting . I dont have applicant categories to, to have any waters of between african countries. I dont record any why you need the arms, whos been those this money to get those guys, bags and guns, an arrow blades. When i was the one to come on to that and yeah, im in a moment to to i, i just, i dont think we need it needs this all nice. And those guys just big goal is this money of them . And then they come much with us with the cabinet that i mean, what is last week. So those government told the Un Human Rights Council that it was basically none of the us business. What was happening inside 2000 was an internal affair. They said, and the Student Needs armed forces. So of course, difficulties you said they were simply doing their constitutional duty. What do you say to a government like that . Does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution, but the government does look at the look of the shipment. Who will cause those guys . Government . Its the only government they have. I just it always people just took it by paula by guns. Yeah. Look you lifted that no to drive, look at it, but yeah, i mean, those guys just, you know, making themselves lot of shows in general those on the f. I never things act announcing this while the african states that African Union actually is, is, is suspended. So then, and thats it. Thats all theyve done. What else comes they do . What is the problem is applicant here and it hasnt. Well, just on the bottom, me, for a long time in which i just started the force of the africa, you and you actually find that it should be on, then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and as of total risk, then whatever, unfortunately, the realize or the amount of power, what happens assignments with guns by one and t 20. Yes. What happens . What . What about 6, what is the account for the plastic . I know double security because a lot of just including accounts. I think a lot of people forgotten about the security because is defined by the veto. Is that the 5 cause, i guess, is what i lice, but what is the whole bubbly or that isnt a mess . The whole public, the whole or the whole world of this, you know, or the global instruction. I miss you quoted accounts. It is important. Cannot do anything. Yeah. For, can you ask me, this is it doesnt have the means to accept it. Theyve had all the extra bliss, i think hes more on the ridge which of these accounts have kind of even but, and so were not seeing much of that. As far as how do i know the size of this is that did it in friend, this is the size of the conference and was clear what the stand ones they want to do at that. Even shift for you have access all over the come to the you have you talk to either of the generals that are causing this concept to sit down at the moment . No i, i dont have enough Common Ground even to start the conversation. I believe was guys of goodness the she didnt, ive been to take will they . If i to i whole then i hope so. Whats the, whats the chance of it was one day it would come one day look. But she ended up in prison. Id be able to sit all what but, but she industry, nobody can touch him. He wasnt prison. So what happened to was that, what happens, the african codes pushing for African Solutions and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and Central African republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. C. I o projected to