Also coming up on the program. Once football, with all the french as african teams make history of the womens world cup by day ends and the diaspora proud lead sharing. This comes on to fly all the way to the trophy the i. Im eddie mike, a junior and you welcome to the program. Another democracy falls in west africa, besides president s and well, how many buses boom had been a beacon of hope in a region. The mob by military take all this in a piece for the washington post. He wrote that is quote it hostage as soon as on the flies, the power of the ballot box, the end of the cycle of cools the one k majorities in both rounds of the 2021 president ial election. That was the jazz fan, just these thoughts on the session of taco, after his pretty says, well, how about do so full step down respect and the constitutional to time limits on the presidency. But as soon as victory was in jeopardy given before he took office for any gates, so just stays them, attempted to just 2 days before his integration by the president ial, god intervenes. Now the Ministry Says the recent cool was necessary due to insecurity. Economic challenges and government corruption from the capital. When yall me, i spoke to ty, he will got caught it, close political ally of president of mohammed resume. And hes strongly reject that those claims. Try to compile a country to a, to the level of the country like maggie and book it in 5. So you see the government of our country is do what as far as is a flight in those as far as the economy and the store and disposed the issue. So all they say is wrong. This school is about a best little little minutes left and said is just an illusion of what a man who want to be president. Thats a this, that, that this has nothing to lose our economic condition or disagree deal of this country. Would you be prepared to work with the community . This is the promise to restore democracy as the way that i would i be the time for collision. What was, what we need is what i think our people who elected the president every time we elect the president , he got 5 years amended or 5 years left to him. This is mandy. So if he is not doing well, you know, its our people to not like to give him. I dont know. I know that is. But if we, if we have some issues, i dont know, 6 year old for example. I have never seen a government, a government who is not criticized by his obligation, but this doesnt matter about that. This does nearby lead to equity that well, i will do that in last week. Do you see any realistic chance of new jack returning to demo cross the based on whats going on so far . Yes. Yes, yes, i do because i really distorted. Yeah. The model of the media, you love this country like we do. So i is the point, you know, people might take about the plastic us of all this, of what these later on and try to negotiate. And there is that the prison made by them on the office in the office. And we have more than 20 meal of us, you know . So we cannot follow one guy to his voice and vision persona and put this country in deserts. And this is people. Okay. So here we got com and the address capital in the army. Thanks for your time or thank you for having me now, and these are, is the latest country in africa. So how to see its governmental about their own regional bodies liked Economic Community of West African States. Echo us on the african union. A you faced the challenging task of trying to restore and strengthen democracy, that new jersey state is one of the few democracies in the western so hell appears to be going up in smoke. The african nation adds its name to a list of countries in the region that have witnessed who is in recent years. Do need air joins neighboring molly, which so the military stage, a mutiny in 2020 in 2021. A 2nd crew took place there that same year guinea, untried, also witnessed their leaders being overthrown in breaking a fast. So there were 2 codes in 2022. The instability caused in large part by militant islam is groups has caused a particular concern to democracies across the region. And especially to those in the block of countries, the form part of the Economic Community of West African States or eco. Wes encouraged by africa is most populated country nigeria eco west also serves as a peacekeeping force during times of political instability and during the rest Member States send joint military forces to intervene. But the most poking tool in the eco last arsenal is its ability to suspend Member States from its economic grouping. Molly guinea, burkina, faso, and denying the share of all being suspended following codes is new jersey on town has been given an ultimatum by ego as to richard is threatened to the possible use of force. There are fears that any military intervention in these here by equal was clicked to send in to a full scale war in the region with molly and 14 or 5. So both warning they would defend their fellow qu, leaders, the store, and the effectiveness of an eco west force has been questioned by experts who say Adequate Funding is required. If it were to have a chance of succeeding. Plus it could lead to a worsening of an already dire humanitarian crisis in the region. From on this last spring in the companies that come, myra, shes a former minister of Foreign Affairs and body and a senior advice awful africa, of the us institute of peace. Hello and welcome to the program. Either. Now you are part of the democratically elected government in molly. How does it feel to see your country and its neighbors in the grip of military june test . This is very distraught to me to see an entire region such an important region to a politically important to the entire world fall into the hands of another treatment. As historically, specifically malicious tech have never been able to deliver the basic Public Services that citizens demanded. This region and im talking about education and talking about health. Im talking about economic progress. So its really hard to see a Bright Future for us such an important region where a use biology is currently at play where you is going to be playing a huge role in the future. Are we going to have the right communication platform for now . Are you going to have the right serve for them to flourish as adults, and then to meet questions that im asking myself today. So many uncertainties that now and we, since he has that been a number of quality task in the West African States of my lead as indeed able to not 5 so and now media is that new appetite for demo kasey. What really is driving the schools or i think we can uh, mistake those cause for a lot of appetite for democracy. These military crews are to be undertaken by a small number of military leaders who have personal motivations. Sometimes to conduct those cues and are really playing on the general sentiments of the population against democratically elected president is to insert themselves in the political real. I dont think that this is a lot of appetite for democracy. I think its about military rulers not being totally understanding of their roles as a guarantor, as of this, the ability of their, of their countries. And basically use the different opportunities to, to enter the, the political effort and take away power from uh, from, from their citizens. But you did talk about some of the sentiments of that, so lets talk about some of them. It is interesting to know that all these countries for my calling needs of friends. And thats been cat. You know, people clearly people talking about having issues with friends, is there any connection that can be made that i honestly i think its the wrong the wrong excuse. I think maybe democracy hasnt been explained correctly or hasnt been a cd long enough in our culture. But in any country and uh, in any democratically elected uh regime, there are professions of populations. Theyre not always happy with what governments are doing. Maybe there needs to be more in terms of communication towards citizen and letting them know that some of the progress that theyre expecting do not happen overnight. Lots of other regions this i how has become the frontline in the fights against many times as long as the groups what impacts cold, the recent spate of cruise, haha, and security in the region. Im only going to be able to, to talk about about research about how this did you havent had it well after, because ive taken power the g, heidi threats have actually worked and after each of these guys have taken over, so hes not a guarantee that when you have military leaders at the head of a country, then they are able to defeat an entire service drive. I think one country it could be 14, i could be here a cannot come to put in an to discharging pro. Its a huge undertaking that can only be done through both a lateral is that im an international coalition. Okay, so lets talk about regional axis. In the case of these a regional body echo as has threatened the use of military force to return the country to democracy. Is not the best way to handle clues as well. Um you have to look at the vehicle wise uh over the past 23 years and the window reacted to the different cruise evolving book, you know, and in the, in the eco off has been criticized internationally. For not be too assertive, i guess cruise and for setting the ground for further cruise from half the jeep to happen. And so what were seeing now is really nigeria taking the lead within the eco box and saying no, this is a clue. That is, been your cruise beyond the pale, were not gonna let that happen and were really making a strong statement against schools. So i will not go as far as to see if that vehicle was was effective. Im dealing with cruise, but i am rather pleasantly surprised by how strong of a statement equal was made in the case of this year. So if not through military intervention, is that a way of bringing these countries back to democracy . Well, this is the american negotiations. Its definitely one of them. Um, but also also again, its also a one big issue that i think is what have these countries to gain from, from democracy, from a democratically elected governments. I think we, we need, and i, im putting myself in the we, there of applicants. We need to be very clear about what were expecting from, from democracy in our countries. And were, we need to be able to explain that to our citizens and only then it can be the brand democracy, you know, countries and bring it back. Or are you somehow suggesting that african countries need to fall on a type of democracy that fits them . Ive always believed that democracy as it is practice in the west is difficult to apply in west africa because of a culture because of history. We have completely different cultures, completely different histories. And so we have to develop our own type of democracy that would work in the Current International order. How would that look like if youve thought about it . I have no idea what that would look like, but 8 certainly. We need a citizen to think about it. We have Civil Societies in our countries thats fairly think about thought about, but i think its a long term endeavor. And this piece of military coups in west africa is really a testament to that. Okay, click on this before you go, what needs to be done to prevent cruise from happening in the 1st place . I mean, thats the 1000000 dollar question. There, there was, there was so much, i think, just listening to the initial declaration of who makers can give you an idea of what the thing is going to appeal to citizens and international partners. Its security. The often mention local governments, the often mentioned corruption as one of the arguments for them over to a we a government and thats the justification enough for them to be there. So maybe we need to start um there. Okay. Companies like a myra senior advice, awful africa, how the us institute of peace. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. The full african countries set out to a street in new zealand where the dream of lifting the trophy and the fee for womens world cup was on the that of hope. And that would honest in the group stage. But africa has remaining representation in the tournament shines on. For the very 1st time, 3 african teams, i progressed to the knockout phase of the competition. That is, nigeria said africa and well roku will soon assess the chances and the overall performance and the competition before that thats look at how the world cup has created the perfect. So fortunately people nigerians in the diaspora to connect with a womans team. My julian support is in melbourne all saved during the womens world cup and the jobs with steven vig community to reconnect we dont usually have things like this where we are represented. We usually just support this trailer in different sports that they, they do, but kind of having it in such close proximity. Its definitely boosted a lot of peoples feeling of connection to the language. They read the plates of jello rice will seasonally see from the barbecue. The funds of these restaurant have found a new source of shed pride. The people look, i stuck and if theres a way, now its all about the e mail to me, it is of all like the game and this is the question. So it was just enjoy, wasnt stuck out so it doesnt matter always way the both man and women who does the team or youre not just support and it certainly doesnt hurt that the secret houses have been doing so well. But with these power extends far beyond the boundaries, but also what you can is i want my kids to play as well. I would love to see my kid doing Something Like this. And i think its definitely boosted the community in being able to show pride and even other people having stuff like this. Its connected us a lot more. And with that team showing no signs of slowing down. There could be plenty more in store for my jewelry of friends. At 6 woke not less stuff, more football with juliet b, y and Award Winning sports journalist covering the wealth cap. She joins us now from bridge bay in australia. Hello julia. So us, we just saw in the report and i do have friends, i x that take and they have all the reasons to be dont day. Absolutely, i think um they do. I mean, how has the jenny bean from nigeria obviously the most successful african team in the competition . And proving that by go into the knock out face as well. I think im going just like you mentioned going past the group stage or from annual cup is a dream full of many and only if you get to do do that. So it definitely must be. Im a social 5 for these. Um, funds like you mentioned, you cant blame them. My. This was also a team that, that after the pres group game is charles like it was going south. Everyone wasnt really happy with there for 4 months old, although they do um again. So im kind of a and all the wishes and those are the front of these was going to lose them, but a different story would be told in the too much is that um, followed here in the um, brisbin and definitely the funds to save every bit of what is happening, the team looks very complex, they look very solid, very professional team. And when you see them intriguing as well, um they look very relax, you might want to think sometimes when you see them in training the asking as well. I do believe that that will come, but that is what it matches the big stage they show up and they make it come. Definitely made account spend as south africa making histories by qualifying also to the knockout space does not come as a surprise as well. For me, most i to no matter how you look at the time theyve been knocking, but this very door for some time now when it comes to limits for building off, because some countries always show up to be counted and buying and the buying on a one of those on a stage like best, they wouldnt want to be left out till the potty and became good when it monitored it is um a punch proven for them because prior to this stage you wouldnt have given them a chance. And its also good to see how they tend the scripts in your favor. Its a huge winful demo, the team and the country and everybody who is part of this, um, historic um victory for them by on a, by, on up we saw how normally they left a 2nd game in that stage goal. But they have to get you a Heads Together in that the game defaults like worry us, big collectively as a team and trust me to a very talented group and also spearheaded by does reality who has been attempting for womens football. God knows, hold on for more than a decade and she made sure that this team will get to the next stage of the competition against all. And then they have also talking about a team making it against all odds is more real cool. Making data to view how impressive was that its, its, its safe to say, but at this point it is all to play for. And um, well, it may come a game. Im surprised too many for those who up um, follow this american team. This wouldnt come as a surprise to them until this is a very, a team that they will Structure Team and very compact team as well. If i should put it, that has meant to be a way the way through this to what i meant and even im proud to the tournament. Its the foot of um, it will instruct it sort of them back home that authorities have put in the wake and we saw a glimpse of what they did the Amend National team. Did other comfortable cap and now the yeah. Yeah. Be the felt like it if the men can do it, why not asked . And so it is historic in every sense and become well all the way should be. Im sure the same level of our question, it will be stuck in the line. Just think of p t should be make it past the next stage, orders the run of 16 there will be um that will be some story um 2 chairs and 2 chairs full. Yes. And because they put in so much work, i mean the last 10 years have been built in the um, National Teams across the board. So when you mentioned were broken down, not clearly, it comes down to good football, it comes down to infrastructure. It comes down to wells, um Structure Teams will top in teams last until the jones, when it comes to the government and the government side. So i can come down great the effect all the way to the top. And then this happened but didnt lose hope. The i had to wins out of to and in the hope that you have too many, why im sick, im in the world, trust me and theyve done amazing, amazing this even beyond amazing. At this point. I would, i agree with that. Unfortunately, some of the, the out of the competition also making that to do and to walk about what can we take from the performance as well kind time regret to clear um, but they did put in the best. Um, it just wasnt enough. And i think it came a bit too late with the interest that they had to do a 1st choice, bulky by and also im grace turned that as well, who was a new engine in the mitchell for them. But one of the most certainly important aspects of these, um tournaments, especially for the day be tons, is how you get to experience what it start to play at this level and take home. What you can also try to come back. Thats also um the, you know more from lessons from this tournaments for them um, but they can learn from and im confident but they should get me. This will get another opportunity. Im sure they will do better. I do make accounts. We saw um barbara bundle going up 1000 um thousands of goals and which was also a record for them in some way. Get them like putting victory for them as well. So i think of when they get opportunity to, again, there will come good anybodys walk up quickly on this before i let you go, julie, thats whats remaining africans side has what it takes to live that trophy, youve got to choose why and do that. Well its going to be, its going to be so very, very, very, its a mistake to say. But at this point, like i said, its all to plan for. I would rather enjoy the football and hope that at least one dash there. And theres a bringing them forward, this dream that will be me just call, but its as talk either stay just to but if youre going though with a very the right mentality is youre going there to 4 to 5 for your country. And what does that take . Because a big state and to months ago, and that is what we see in the light. So from super fall codes, were seeing a bit of claims this from im diana diana as well. So why not do you have to continue to dream . You never know what am i come up . Okay. 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