From nobel peace laureate to amount of war. And here to answer that question are 3 outstanding guests it is a great pleasure to welcome him starting with prince. He descends from the family of the ethiopian emperor an author an analyst he also works as an Economic Consultant on africa and he says the military operation of the Ethiopian Government in the region did not target the people who take but the ruthless. Party. And its great to have mcconnell in miss gainor with us once again he is head of migration and diversity at the hind they both foundations and he says the civil war and the c o p. Its just the beginning of a long conflict. And finally were honored to have with the money shes ambassador extraordinary and plenty of potential of the federal democratic republic of ethiopia and she says ethiopians Current Situation is not a civil war nor an Armed Conflict its a Law Enforcement operation aimed at restoring the Constitutional Order of the country. So let me start by asking you dear madam ambassador theres clearly some disagreement amongst you about the scope of the fighting in tikrit province you say it was a Law Enforcement operation but the fact is ethiopian generals spoke of being at war the fighting did last over 3 weeks and i witnessed this reported both artillery duels and also shelling of the great capital so that doesnt really look like lund foresman. Actually when you say its your water or Something Like that if it is a different country or different. Different people try to fight each other lose equal standing but these are criminals who deliberately attack the national the National Defense forces which was there for more than 20 years keeping the country keeping magali and these people not only doing this. Extraordinary very devastating. Crime they have been doing the same for 20 years but government was very very patient and its trying to fold the issues with with peace in the constellation where they rejected all the requests of coming to table to talk because they dont want the country to stay and this is a need on the top because they need this country even for more than 27 years in their name was a still together liberation front we dont know would those from whom and when to liberate the great they have been living it for 27 years and now what we are talking about is this is a criminal its not a great people that the people suppressed suffering like any other people. The issue is resist this clique which they want to dismantle is a good thing with allies and bring so many criminal act including causing killing planned financing designing so of the country for 2 years or this was thought tolerated even though they deny the presence of the presence of the federal government they deny everything because of. Extended according to the law because of course it was test of the word and then they say they dont accept the federal government they make illegal election which is not illegal and did it all unconstitutional or this was tolerated finally you know what they did and did you expect any any government to see dawn in the sea when the country is dismantled as a country for vanity is become a question in the country will be dispersing this. Isnt acceptable we want to dig in a little deeper in just a moment about the background of the ethnic tensions in t. K. Prague province but an economist get whats your response to what weve just heard would you also say that this is a Law Enforcement operation youre Opening Statement referred to a long running conflict ahead and well taking the historical background of the tensions between the Central Government and the region im now looking more into the region and less with the. Leading force integrating but it was also part of the government in ethiopia so taking the historical aspect that from this region there went a long standing war to go regional was fighting 17 years against the Central Government which was the military. Decide tomorrow and which top of that and then came into power so im very much aware but also concerned that this tension between the federal government and the government of decry would lead to instability in the region such region of the great and also could never. Tensions which has been there for a long time so not only on the government basis but also and it could be as is thats what im very much afraid of and again i do want to talk about that in a little more depth later but just on that one point Law Enforcement operation or military action what i would consider it is a military action because the dimension of. Demeter actions taken it was more than a Law Enforcement which i think would have been more a Police Operation but this was a more complex and more. With more moments and even the number of people who are perspective. Was a massive one its us or at a let me get you to weigh in on this and also what you tell us a little bit about what youre hearing from friends and family in ethiopia if as your Opening Statement says this military operation didnt target the people why have tens of thousands of people fled the region. Of the supposed reason because they know that if some fighting breaks out in that part of the world. Things might happen. That would be dangerous for their lives i think it was a precautionary measure by most of them who fled as we knew there were already 20000. 00 people in the suit out in the early days of the military operation. But basically i find it whether what exactly what we call it i think is immaterial one thing that is true is a very tragic situation that for so many times now that ethiopians off i take it here putins and he opened blood is big shit but i think this is not the fault of the Central Government it is its it is it is it is the right not only the right but it is obliged to maintain the territorial integrity and national know and the national know sovereignty of the country and could not allow itself to just sit there while its troops were being massacred in the front of that attracted by the province of tikrit so i think as far as who was responsible we dont need to question it at all there were many many times many ways many. The government did really take its time to want to negotiate with them prior to what had happened in the northern. Jus to the hip brace of the t. P. M. Live they declined the. Fish with the Central Government to the fore and that is why military measures to be taken. We just heard princess red tape refer to bloodshed madam ambassador the Prime Minister has said that not a single life was lost but can we be sure of that the fact is that there were communications to a province were cut off there was no Internet Connection and independent media have not really been permitted to cover the fighting. Explain. What you say when these people. Being the countrys biggest station of the National Defense force in the days some senators announce that they have accused the have a condition of all of the biggest i mean ition and announces that they can do to destroy the whole country and including to some about what have you and do expect the government to sit down having or dissemination in the tie to to destroy the country and dismantle the country and we want our country need peace and obviously why the people of figure if lived or others did to the country into the neighboring countries that they know what they have been doing long ago when they were in the jungle they hide in the society themselves kids their own people and pretend as if it was done from the other side even less than they manufactured in uniform is today and to be uniform and they are people wearing it to pretend to deceive the world that. The government is killing this is always a do this and the world knows these that the people know when they are coming to the should they want to make a shield they have people the people will be affected themselves might kill them they leave thats why they know how the in my car they see they killed the civilians thats what they are afraid about and they have to live otherwise its not because and again the government you see now when the government is if they give orders i mean nation they give them to fight they give it to the government nobody forces them that is the one who give information to the government they think them people know it people in the think that have no problem you see there live together in peace is only as its getting a problem. What do we know about the fighting that was going on for the past 4 weeks as i said the Prime Minister says there was no blood spilt do we know that for sure apparently eye witnesses have have contended that there were deaths where we have a number of patients and counteraccusations and as we all know in war the truth is the 1st casualty so its very hard to verify. Many of the information and we know that there are different versions we know that civilians has been harmed so far and we have heard that the original group of human Rights Groups in ethiopia. Tried to verify the situation and could also find some of the facts that probably people if militia may have been involved in that and a bit but there are also casualties from the gray side that. Regional government accused the Central Government militia. It shouldnt be necessarily. The governments. Deeds but you know it in war situations militias take their own autonomous measures as well you have to know that and the 2nd thing is of course we have a number of. Humanitarian crisis we have i. D. P. s internally dispersed displaced persons around 1000000 within that to grave region we have Something Like 44000 refugees who fled to sudan and. Is committing that if. Armed conflict is not going to stop immediately that maybe up to 200000 people may flee to sudan so we have a clear humanitarian crisis in this region and we need to immediately settle any conflict again we will come back to that shortly but id like to take a closer look at the role of the Prime Minister because in fact only a year ago the multi lingual abby ive met with his mixed Christian Muslim background was being compared to Nelson Mandela barack obama seen as the bright hope of a country that has long been torn by ethnic conflict so how did the nobel peace laureate come to be involved in military conflict. Pictures from 1998 tens of thousands of people were killed and hundreds of. Territorial dispute between ethiopia and eritrea. Is also. Embarked upon in. Eritrea for reconciliation and return to territories. Economy. Celebrated by his followers and internationally hailed as a. Peace prize for 20. 2 is the opium Prime Minister. The tide turns just one year later. Military offensive in tikrit in the northern part of the country. An ethnic minority and an important part of the political elite there being a new head of government whose family is descended from. Groups. Continue his course of reform. Pretty abrupt shift at least thats what it looks like from outside that the Prime Minister has made ambassador this idea that the Prime Minister represented the bright hope of africa was it inflated expectations on the part of those of us from outside. It was perfect even today. And why. He is still working. And to keep the peace and make rule of law in order otherwise if you can keep the peace with your own country how can you be at peace on both side of peace laureate to what thats what the lord it peace laureate sheepy received is because he make a peace in syria and also the neighboring countries especially for it and again today while his country is facing this challenge. Who want to live the content of the country leave the country be destroyed. With dispersed itself as dismantled is impossible and he does his duty as a government thats a leader to keep the will flow into to keep the peace. And order so. 72 of the country princess are at a would you agree with that assessment or would you say that he perhaps moved too far too fast with his reform process and thereby help to set in motion the tensions that erupted into gray i wouldnt say that at all he did not move too fast in some of the things he moved too slow there are many theo peers who believe that what he did today against the t. P. M. Left should have been done 2 years ago when the whole Reformist Movement started because what they have been doing in the past 2 years is to really to take care that his reformist agenda did not take place and they were involved with everything that was there to destabilize ethiopia whether it was the killing and massacring of so many people in the south part of the here hands whether that or whether it was the dismantling of ethiopian statutes in london believe you me the hand of the t p. L. F. Was always there so i dont think it is a matter of having moved too far and i think also we can only come unto to rest if the Ethiopian Government will very soon declare the t. P. L. F. A terrorist organization. Otherwise things are not going to calm down because if you would give us a little bit of background on these long running ethnic tensions in ethiopia with degrade but also elsewhere and also why did they explode particularly after this reform process began. How is the constitution of to appear is a multiethnic country and which has been living in different models it has been living in a very peaceful manner as the neighboring if this is all the multi it new city is one of its resources actually of ethiopia and whatever happened whatever political system was raining in ethiopia the people managed to leave peacefully together but then you have also undemocratic political systems which were using them multi ethnicity and the regional tensions are always tensions when there are more if these cities which has been always ignited by by different the local leaders and so on and governments has been always trying either to rule by heart as a military dictatorship of minister tomorrow who is trying to keep you know the whole country you know by force and they came he was toppled by the t. P. A. Left because the guy region was actually also historically marginalized as many other regions and then they used this marginalization as a political resource to mobilize and top of the government and then and that was the 2nd other issue that the government created a constitution which is based on ethnic federalism so and this is one of the sources of conflict of course with you know some exit options even to secede if he doesnt work within. The federal state and this was like an exit option for 2 great as well if it walks doesnt work maybe and this is i think what happened as. To who was actually the 1st who came peacefully to power which is you know very positive action and there was the reforms but then you know he came into a situation where you have some kind of apartheid. State within the ethiopian state there was a 2 great state which is a kind of. Situation and then you have to deal with this very complicated situation and that is also the historical. I think that mentioned we we need to look when you deal differences with conflicts that you cannot simply solve militarily because of their historical complexity ambassador princess at heart i said if anything perhaps the Prime Minister should have acted sooner to crush as nick resentments province in fact abbey wanted to govern with a new style and when he came into office his motto was may damage which means Something Like harmony as i understand it was he perhaps naive was the turbulence that we are now seeing to be expected should he have perhaps acted to be more with greater toughness in the beginning no no no hes not naive and ive done that is showing forgiveness and what he was trying is its not like an evolutionary to kill and finish those leads a country with abuse of human rights and be corruption looting the countrys money he said let us live a part of what they have done wrong. They have done good and will for a result any graduates out any conflict so that we keep everybody on board should anything go in the democratic election thats why people are against abi because he was too patient he was too pushing on leaving for the. This and keep them to use and huff by trying to convince people regarding the federalism its not is not saying anything that he knows that it is in europe as a multinational diverse country each and every things that could be managed with that we take. Any type of federalism dependent on the discourse of the society each and every people each and every region when they go after this election whats willing to do is how the government of war 200. 00 distinct would depend on the discourse of the people decision but the issues of fear if the if hes against the set of ideas in that to go is going there why did he allow. These are kids that hes not against but we have to choose as a society which is good for the people but they dont know what they need they need a list we need it to appear and this would really topia that actually didnt exist thats whats happening now to a report that we just saw concluded by asking what will become of the reform process what is your take on that do you think that the Prime Minister can and will return to a course of renewal and democratization or might we now be seeing the beginning of a pattern thats all too familiar where a leader comes into office with big promises and big games and then gradually moves down toward the road toward dictatorship to be honest for there to be a great disappointment for me if this would happen but this is not what i see. Coming up for me the root of evil. Is the therapeutic constitution a constitution which calls itself which calls it an ethnic a duration ethnic duration that means if you here is the only state in the whole world with a system back that there is no other country in this world with an Ethnic Federation and that is what true in the us if you have became the most racist country in the world where the only place in africa where in our. Identity cards you have the word to race written on it all politics until 2 years ago was based upon ethnicity the parties ethnic parties border ethnic and you know we have seen in the world where you have ethnic borders its nick cleggs ing is not very far away and in order to say no to this but ts to federalism the great federalist by so what we theo peony is a democratic a drop system where all one 120. 00 ethnic groups feel a part of what a big country and still believe they are the masters of their. Own and 1st they were just about out of time. You did say you think the conflict will continue so i really must ask about the effects on the region as a whole 40000 refugees already in the vulnerable country of sudan somalia also right next door equally vulnerable ethiopia used to be viewed as an anchor of stability in africa is that over. I do not think its over but. Probably the tension is so big that its me also include eritrea because its where is directly neighbor of the great bensouda. Maybe involved in the one or the other way so i think we are on the verge of. Stability if we dont manage to quickly come to the table and negotiate the differences so i think militarily cannot be solved what we can do and what should be done is on the table thank you very much thanks to all of you for being with us here today and thanks to all of you for tuning in to see you set. Up the to the back of a. Country. Because. They are defining challenge. In bangladesh have. Stuck to their necks. Theyre growing in it. 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