A sense of what the polls are estimating of the moment. You know well at the moment the polls are telling us that joe biden has about a lead of around 10 points nationally and that hes also opened up some important leads in some of those big crucial swing states ill tell you that in florida its about 3. 8 points in michigan a little bit over 8 points in pennsylvania around 6 points and the same in wisconsin remember these are those delegate rich states that are so crucial really for both men to win but especially president if you want to secure that path to reelection i will also say that joe bidens team has been exceedingly cautious about these polls theyre well aware that they dont always reflect how people actually are already voting or how they will vote on november 3rd and that Hillary Clinton had very strong polling numbers in 2016 at the same time and one Campaign Worker speaking the media earlier this week said were actually campaigning as if we were 20 points down right now so that is how cautious they are about those poll numbers and the you mentioned the accuracy of the polls on the final day what about from the from whats the whats the how much emphasis are they paying giving to these polls. Well theyre trying to brush off and deflect the fact that the president is actually down in the polls right now interestingly enough we have heard some rumblings in the Republican Party in the past few weeks which are something new that there are some republicans indicating that theyre concerned that the president might be heading for a loss in november we heard Lindsey Graham the senator from South Carolina saying in the media last week while the democrats might win the white house that is pretty remarkable to hear that from Lindsey Graham and we also heard from a more moderate republican ben south of nebraska he actually in a town hall call with his constituents excoriated the president on a number of issues from his a lack of decorum in tone to cozying up to dictators since mismanagement of the cove in 1000 pandemic and what that tells us is that not only are some republican lawmakers less afraid of the president speaking out against him in the public now again these are just a very small number of republicans but to a threat perhaps that theyre not as worried about facing the backlash among their own constituents because they might be looking at a Republican Party after donald trump if he does indeed lose on november 3rd so that is how its being seen the Republican Party i will tell you that President Trump was speaking to c. B. S. And in a very contentious interview with the Leslie Leslie stahl where he walked out earlier this week and he actually said that i dont believe those polls i dont think those are those are correct so he has cast doubt upon the validity of those poll numbers. Its less than 2 weeks to go before the election day millions of people already casting their ballots in early voting is this likely to swing voter decisions this is this debate. Look at the amount of people who have it dont know who theyre going to vote for the underside of voter is very very small and my question if you dont know who youre voting for where have you been i mean this is these men couldnt be more different right but but this is it that people are very much engaged more than 47000000 people have already voted oh lets agree about to start stacy well have to just cut you there and go straight to the debate president ial debate between President Donald Trump and former Vice President joe biden tonights debate is sponsored by the commission on president ial debates it is conducted under health and safety protocols designed by the commissions Health Security advisor the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent though cheers booze or other interruptions except right now as we welcome to the stage former Vice President joe biden and president donald j. Trump. Thank you. And i do want to say a very good evening to both of you this debate will cover 6 major topics at the beginning of each section each candidate will have 2 minutes uninterrupted to answer my 1st question the Debate Commission will then turn on their microphone only when it is their turn to answer and the commission will too. The 2 minutes have expired after that both microphones will remain on but on behalf of the voters im going to ask you to please speak one at a time the goal is for you to hear each other and for the American People to hear every word of what you both have to say and so with that if youre ready lets start and we will begin with the fight against the coronavirus President Trump the 1st question is for you. The country is heading into a dangerous new feigns more than 40000 americans are in the hospital tonight with coded including record numbers here in tennessee and since the 2 of you last shared a stage 16000 americans have died from colvin so please be specific how would you leave the country during this next stage of the Coronavirus Crisis 2 minutes uninterrupted so as you know 2200000 people modeled out were expected today we closed up the greatest economy in the world in order to fight this horrible disease that came from china its a worldwide pandemic its all over the world you see the spikes in europe and many other places right there if you notice the mortality rate is down 85 percent the excess mortality rate is way down and much lower than almost any other country and were fighting it and were fighting it hard there is a spike there was a spike in florida and its now gone there was a very big spike in texas its now gone there was a very big spike in arizona its now gone and there are some spikes in surges in other places they will soon be gone and we have a vaccine thats coming its ready its going to be announced within weeks and its going to be delivered we have operation work speed which is the military is going to distribute the vaccine i can tell you from personal experience that i was in the hospital i had it and i got better and i will tell you that i had something that they gave me a therapeutic i guess they would go what some people could say was a cure but i was in for a short period of time and i got better very fast or wouldnt be here tonight and now they say im immune whether its 4 months or a lifetime nobodys been able to say that but im immune more and more people are Getting Better we have a problem thats a worldwide problem this is a worldwide problem but ive been congratulated by the heads of many countries on what weve. Able to do with the if you take a look at what weve done in terms of goggles and masks and gallons and Everything Else and in particular ventilators were now making ventilators all over the world thousands and thousands a month distributing them all over the world it will go away and as i say were rounding the turn where rounding the corner its going away ok former Vice President biden to you how would you leave the country out of this crisis you have 2 minutes uninterrupted 220000 americans dead youre nothing else i say tonight to this anyone whos responsible for not taking control in fact not saying im i take no responsibility initially anyone is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of america were in a situation where there are a 1000 deaths a day now a 1000 deaths a day and there are over 70000. 00 new cases per day. Compared to whats going on in europe as the new england medical journal said theyre starting from a very low rate were starting from a very high rate the expectation is well have another 200000. 00 americans dead be time between now and the end of the year for just war these mass the president s own advisor told him we could save a 100000. 00 lives and were in a circumstance where the president thus far and still has no plan no comprehensive plan what i would do is make sure we have everyone encouraged to wear a mask all the time i would make sure we move in the direction of rapid test and invested in rapid test and i would make sure that we set up National Standards as to how to open up schools and open up businesses so they can be safe and give them the where with all the Financial Resources to be able to do that were in a situation now where the new england medical journal one of the serious most serious journals in the in the whole world said for the 1st time ever that this is the way this president has responded this crisis has been absolutely tragic and so folks i will take care of this i will and this i will make sure we have a plan President Trump id like to follow up with you and your comments you talked about taking a therapeutic i assume youre referencing in general you also said a vaccine will be coming within weeks this is that a guarantee is no its not a guarantee but it will be by the end of the year but i think it has a good chance or 2 companies i think within a matter of weeks and it will be distributed very quickly to tell us which companies johnson and johnson is doing very well mode earners doing very well pfizer is doing very well and we have numerous others then we also have others that were working on very closely with other countries and particularly europe let me follow up with you because this is new information you have said a vaccine is coming soon within weeks now your own Officials Say it could take well into 2021 at the earliest for enough americans to get vaccinated and. Even then they say the country will be Wearing Masks and distancing into 2022 is your timeline realistic do i think my timeline is going to be more accurate i dont know that theyre counting on the military the way i do but we have our generals lined up one in particular thats the head of logistics and this is a very easy distribution for him hes ready to go as soon as we have the vaccine and we expect to have 100000000 viles as soon as we have the vaccine hes ready to go Vice President biden your reaction and just 40 percent of americans say they would definitely agree to take a corona virus vaccine if it was approved by the government what steps would you take to give americans confidence in a vaccine if it were a print make sure its totally transparent have the scientists world see it know it look at it go through all the processes and by the way he says this is the same fellow told you this is going to end by easter last time is the same fellow who told you that dont worry were going to end this by the summer were about to go into a dark winter a dark winter and he has no clear plan and theres no prospect that theres going to be a vaccine available for the majority of American People before the middle of next year president tom here reactions as i have no plan to have a dark winter and at all were opening up our country weve learned and studied and understand the disease which we didnt at the beginning when i closed and banned china from coming in heavily in fact and then ultimately europe but china was in january months later he was saying i was in a phobic i did it too soon and now hes saying oh i shouldve i should have you know moved quicker but he didnt move quicker he was months behind me many months behind me and frankly he ran the h one n one swine flu and it was a total disaster far less lethal but it was a total disaster had that had this kind of numbers 700000. 00 people would be dead right now but it was a far less lethal disease look his own. Person who ran that for him who as you know was is chief of staff said it was catastrophic it was horrible we didnt know what we were doing now he comes up and tells us how to do this well so everything that he said about the way every single move that he said we should make thats what weve done weve done all of it but he was way behind us Vice President biden our thoughts our response or see is on a forward but not because he shut down access from china and he did it later after 40 countries already done that in addition to that when he did he made sure that we had 44 people that were in there in china trying to get the wolf on to determine what exactly the source was what did the president say in january he said no he said this is the hes been transparent the president of china is very transparent we all my debt of gratitude we owe to we have to thank him and then what happened was we started talking about using the defense act to make sure we go out and get whatever is needed out there to protect people and again i go back to this he had nothing he did virtually nothing and then he gets out of the hospital and he talks about were this is oh dont worry so all can be over soon. Theres not another serious scientists in the world thinks its going to be over soon president tom your reaction is over soon i say were learning to live with it we have no choice we cant lock ourselves up in a basement like joe does he has the he has the ability to lock himself up i dont know hes obviously made a lot of money someplace but he has this thing about living in a basement people can do that by the way i as the president couldnt do that id love to put myself in the basement or in a beautiful room in the white house and go away d for a year and a half until it disappears i cant do that and curse at every to every meeting i had every meeting ahead and it made a lot of families including gold star families and military families every meeting i had and i had to meet them i had to who would be horrible to have canceled everything i said you know this is dangerous. And you catch it and you know i caught it i learned a lot i learned a lot great doctors great hospitals and now i recovered 99. 9 of young people recover 99 percent of people recover we have to recover we cant close up our nation we have to open our school and we cant close up our nation or youre not going to have a nation and of course the c. D. C. Has that young people tend get sick with the county and can pass it by president 5 i want to talk broadly about strategy though the other responder that 32nd things are going to have a question number one he says that were you know were learning to live with people learning to die with it you folks who have an empty chair at the Kitchen Table this morning that man or wife going to bed tonight or reaching over to try to touch their out of habit where their wife or husband was is gone learning to live with it cmon were dying with you because hes never said he said its dangerous whens the last time is it really dangerous still we dangerous you tell the people whos dangerous now what should they do about the danger and you say i take no responsibility let me talk about your kidney i take very i take full responsibility its not my fault that he came here its chinas fault and you know what its not joes fault that it came here either its chinas fault they kept it from going into the rest of china for the most part but they didnt keep it from coming out to the world including europe in ourselves as president by the fact is when we knew it was coming when it hit what happened what to the president say he said dont worry its going to go away begun by easter dont worry the quorum whether dont worry maybe inject bleach he said he was kidding when he said that a lot of people thought it was serious a whole range of things the president said even today he thinks we are in control were about to lose 200000 more people. President look perhaps just to finish this i was kidding on that but just to finish this one eye closed he said i shouldnt have closed and that went on for months what nancy pelosi said the same thing she was dancing in the streets and jotted down in San Francisco but one eye closed he said this is a terrible thing it isnt a phobic i think it called me racist even and because i was closing it to china now he says i should have closed it earlier it just it doesnt i didnt say either of those things you certainly did. It i talked about design a phobia in a different context that wasnt about closing the border to chinese coming to the United States all right i want to talk about both of your different strategies to have the thought i shouldnt have closed the border lets thats obvious is that you would respond to that quickly Vice President i lets talk about your different strategies toward dealing with this mr Vice President you suggested you would support a new shutdowns of scientists recommended it what do you say to americans who are fearful that the cost of such downs the impact on the economy the higher rates of hunger depression domestic and Substance Abuse outweighs the risk of exposure of virus when i would say is im going to shut down the virus not the country its his ineptitude to cause the bar across the country to have to shut down in large part why business is gone under why schools are closed why so many people of lost are living and why theyre concerned those other concerns are real thats why he should have been instead of in a sand trap in his golf course he should have been negotiating with nancy pelosi and the rest of the democrats republicans about what to do about the acts they were passing for billions of dollars to make sure people had the capacity that you havent ruled out more shutdowns oh no ive not tried to downplay but there are look they need standard the standard is if you have a reproduction rate in a community thats above a certain level everybody says slow up more social this is see do not open bars and do not open gymnasiums do not. Open to you get this under control under more control but when you do open give the people the capacity to be able to open and have the capacity to do it safely for example schools schools they need a lot of money to grow and they need to do a ventilation system we need to deal with smaller classes were teachers more pods and hes refused to support that money early start so now lets talk about schools president and i think we have to respond if i might please and then i have a following and i appreciate that look all he does is talk about shutdowns but forget about him his democrat governors cuomo in new york you look at whats going on in california you look at pennsylvania North Carolina democrats democrats all theyre shut down so tight and theyre dying theyre dying and he supports all these people all he talks about is shutouts know were not going to shut down and we have to open our schools and its like as an example i have a young son he also tested positive by the time i spoke to the doctor the 2nd time he was fine it just went away young people i guess its their immune system let me follow up with the president s of youve demanded schools open in person and insists they can do it safely but just yesterday boston became the latest city to move its Public School system entirely online after a coronavirus spike what is your message to parents who worry that sending their children to school in danger not only their kids but also their teachers their families i want to open the schools the transmittal rate to the teachers is very small but i want to open the schools we have to open our country were not going to have a country you cant do this we cant keep this country close this is a massive country with a massive economy people are losing their jobs theyre committing suicide this depression alcohol drugs at a level that nobodys ever seen before this abuse tremendous abuse we have to open our country you know ive said it often the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself and thats whats happening and he wants to close down. Hell close down the country if one person in our in our massive bureaucracy says we should close it down Vice President biden youre typically not true were going to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time we ought to be able to safely open but would need resources to open you need to be able to for example if you can open a business have social distance even the business you need to have if you have a restaurant and need to have a plexiglass divider so people cannot infect one another you need to be in a position where you can take testing rapidly and know whether a person is in fact infected you need to be able to trace you need to be able to provide all the resources that are needed to do this and that is not inconsistent with saying that what were going to make sure that we open safely and by the way all you teachers out there not that many of you are going to die so dont worry about it so dont worry about it come on president top let me follow up with you quickly though i will say this if you go look at whats happened to new york its a ghost town its a ghost town and when you talk about plexiglas these are restaurants that have dying these of businesses with no money putting up plexiglas is unbelievably expensive and its not the answer i mean youre going to sit there in a cubicle wrapped around with plastic its these a business is that it dying joe you cant do that to people which is going to take a look at new york and whats happened to my wonderful city for free so many years i love that it was vibrant its dying everyones leaving new york take a look i swear the new york has done in terms of turning the curve down in terms of the number of people drawing and i dont look at this in terms of the way he does blue states and red states theyre all the United States and look at the states that are having such a spike in the coronavirus theyre the red states theyre the states in the midwest or the states in the upper midwest thats where the spike is a current significantly but theyre all americans theyre all americans and what we have to do is say where the. Ask number one make sure we get the help that the businesses need that has moneys already been passed to do that its been out there since the beginning of the summer and nothings happened recent new york has lost more than 40000 people 11000 people in nursing or resident of what an ass a strike take a look at whats happening in pennsylvania where theyve had it close take a look at whats happening with your friend in michigan where her husbands the only one allowed to do anything its been like a prison now it was just ruled unconstitutional take a look at North Carolina theyre having spikes and theyve been closed and theyre getting killed financially we cant let that happen joe you cant let that happen we have to open up and we understand the disease we have to protect our seniors we have to protect our elderly we have to protect especially our seniors with heart problems and diabetes problems and we will protect we have the best testing in the world by far thats why we have so many cases let me follow up with you before we move on to our next section President Trump this week you called dr anthony thout see the nations best known Infectious Disease expert quote a disaster you described him and other medical experts as quote idiots if youre not listening to them who are you listening to let me im listening to all of them including anthony i get along very well with the city but. He did say dont wear masks he did say as you know this is not going to be a problem i think hes a democrat but thats ok he said this is not going to be a problem were not going to have a problem at all when joe says that i said anthony found out she said and others and many others and im not knocking him a lot nobody you know look nobody knew what this thing was nobody knew where it was coming from what it was weve learned a lot but anthony said dont wear masks now he wants to wear masks and that he also said if you look back exact words he uses exact words this is no problem this is going to go away soon so hes allowed to make mistakes he happens to be a good person Vice President biden your response quickly and then were going to move on to the next response is that think about what the president knew in january didnt tell the American People he was told this was a serious fires to spread in the air and it was much worse then and much worse than the flu he went on record and said to one of your colleagues recorded that in fact he knew how dangerous it was we didnt want to tell us didnt want to tell a speech didnt want to panic he didnt want to merrick is dont panic he panic but i guess what in the meantime we find out in the New York Times here today that in fact his folks went to wall street and said this is a really dangerous thing and a memo out of that meeting not from his or ministration or from some of the brokers said sell short because weve got to get moving its a dangerous problem of this is america here thirtys that i have to respond and that dont survive and i dont know somebody went to wall street you know the one that takes all the money from wall street i dont take it i have you have raised a lot of money tremendous amounts of money and every time you raise money deals a major oh i could raise so much more money as president and as somebody that knows most of those people i could call the heads of wall street the heads of every company in america i would blow away every record but i dont want to do that because it puts me in a bit position and then you bring up wall street you shouldnt be bringing up wall street because you are the. And that takes the money from wall street not me my dad i could blow away your records that like you wouldnt leave we dont need money we have plenty of money in fact we beat Hillary Clinton with a tiny fraction of the money that she was a gentleman were going to on about average were going to have you should 43. 00 all right were going to move on to our next section which is National Security and i do want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from overnight just last night top intelligence officials confirmed again that both russia and iran are working to influence the selection both countries have obtained u. S. Voter Registration Information these Officials Say and iran sent intimidating messages to florida voters this question goes to you mr Vice President what would you do to put an end to this threat you have 2 minutes uninterrupted i made it clear and i ask everyone else to take the pledge i made it clear that any country no matter who it is that interferes in american elections will pay a price that he will pay a price has been overwhelmingly clear this election wont game get into the last one this election that russia has been involved chinas been involved to some degree and now we learned that that. Iran is involved they will price if im elected theyre interfering with american sovereignty thats whats going on right now theyre interfering with american sovereignty and the best of my knowledge i dont think the president said anything to putin about it i dont think he struck into a lot i dont think he said a word i dont know why he hadnt said a word to putin about it and i dont know what he has recently said if anything to the right news my guess is hed probably be more outspoken with regard to the iranians but the point is this folks were in a situation where we have Foreign Company countries trying to interfere in the outcome of our election his whole own National Security adviser told him that what is happening with his buddy well gosh i will his buddy Rudy Giuliani hes been used as a russian pawn hes being fed information that is russians. That is not true and then what happens nothing happens and then you find out that everything is going on here about russia is wanting to make sure that i do not get elected the next prez United States because they know i know them and they know me i dont understand why this president isnt willing to take on putin when hes actually paying bounties to kill american soldiers in afghanistan when hes engaged in activities that are trying to destabilize all of nato i dont know why he doesnt do it but as worth asking the question why isnt that being done any country interferes with the us will in fact a price because theyre affecting our sovereignty President Trump same question to you let me out let me out the facts are going to have 2 minutes to respond for 2 elections in a row now there has been substantial interference from foreign adversaries what you do in your next term to put an end to this to minute i dont know let me respond to the 1st part as joe answered joe got 3 and a half 1000000 dollars from russia and it came through putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of moscow who is the mayor of moscows wife and youve got 3 and a half 1000000. 00 your family got 3 and a half 1000000. 00 and you know someday you dont have to explain why did you get 3 to have i never got any money from where i dont get money from russia now about your thing last night i knew all about that and through john who is john ratliff who is fantastic d. N. A. He said the one thing thats common to both of them they both want you to lose because there has been nobody tougher to russia with between the sanctions nobody tougher than me and russia between the sanctions between all of what ive done with nato you know ive got the nato countries to put up an extra 130000000000. 00 going to 420000000000. 00 a year thats to guard against russia i sold while he was selling pillows and sheets i sold the tank busters to ukraine there has been nobody tougher. On russia than donald trump and ill tell you they were so bad they took over the the submarine port you remember that very well during your term during you and barack obama they took over a big part of what should have been ukraine you handed to him but you were getting a lot of money from russia they were paying you a lot of money and they probably still are but now with what came out today its even worse all of the emails the emails the horrible imeldas of the kind of money that you were raking in you and your family and show you a Vice President when some of this was happening and it should have never happened and i think you owe an explanation to the American People why is it Somebody Just had a News Conference a little while ago who was essentially supposed to work with