The 6th nation in the world to pass 1000000 cases spain has been tightening restrictions to help stem a surge in new infections. I dont Memorial Service in paris french president in my home across has paid tribute to some no party the history teacher beheaded by an islamist last friday that he was killed after showing cartoons of the prophet mohammad to his students in a debate on freedom of expression across called the teacher a quiet hero slain by cowards. Is d. W. News from berlin follow us on twitter and instagram news or visit our website d. W. Dot com. Forward. Today Germanys Health minister the governments guardians of Public Health announced that he has tested positive for the corona virus another reminder of just how contagious this virus is here in europe the number of new infections is skyrocketing again spain has more than a 1000000 cases ireland is imposing a 2nd lockdown parts of the u. K. And germany are shutting down to winter is coming the corona chill has already arrived im print off in berlin this is the day. There is a huge boom in cold cases all across europe and the average age is lower this time were already swung all our beds are occupied. The situation threatens to spiral out of control here in germany as well. The virus seems to be spreading more and more in family settings. We need a new lock down and we need it now. It doesnt make any sense to wait till december that faith to get this right will me a cycle of damage. With all of the hardship and suffering passing tales. Also coming up should the Catholic Church support same sex civil unions pope francis says yes it is a Seismic Shift at the pontiff has been signaling for years to make gay if someone is gay and he searches for the law and has good will who might judge. To our viewers watching on p. B. S. In the United States and to all of you around the world welcome we begin the day with the lockdowns going up again here in Europe Countries have begun calling the panda. Emergency break from spain to ireland to germany each day comes with more and more in new cases of the coronavirus levels are as high as they were in march and april thankfully the number of deaths is not more testing tracing and more knowledge about how the virus works it all means fewer people are dying from coburg 19 it does not however diminish the ability of the virus to spread and infect we saw that today here in berlin german Health Minister younge 5 revealed that he has tested positive for the corona virus and immediately went into self isolation he has reportedly developed flu like symptoms now the news came just hours after spahn attended a Cabinet Meeting with german chancellor Angela Merkel. We want to go straight now to our Political Correspondent she is following this story for us tonight him its good to see you the Health Minister tested positive just after attending a Cabinet Meeting that included the german chancellor Angela Merkel is there concern now that the entire cabinet could be infected. Well brenda i cant imagine that all those who have been in close contact with the house minister might get tested quite soon however we also got a Statement Today from the chancellor is press office highlighting the fact that the federal cabinet meets in compliance with hygiene in the sense a rooms and that ensures that theres no need for participants to be quarantined if a person who later tests positive for koren of virus is a present of the meeting that we dont know yet if the chancellor has been tested about it ideas here she immediately went into quarantine when her doctor had tested positive shortly after having given her vaccine shot now in terms of continued here within the House Ministry for now. Will probably continue working from isolation he also tweeted doxie only suffered from a cold like symptoms as you mentioned but of course he wont be meeting with anyone of course the has minister has been the leading figure behind i got on america behind the chancellor for the governments response to the pandemic so this is of course a setback but theres also no reason to believe that this was the start of the countrys governance and handling of the pandemic w. s Emanuel Johns on the story for us tonight here in berlin and i thank you all staying here in germany but they were used to government has expanded restrictions in an area that has become a viral hotspot bars and restaurants are not allowed to hold more than 50 people and closing time is now 9 pm in western germany the situation is just as serious in the state of north wind was failure millions of residents are now required to wear face masks in public wearing a mask is mandatory in central gelsen cation and the rumor region in western germany the city was recently declared a high risk zone expanding the mask mandate was an important 1st step for the health department. The army or somebody should make sense as we have a situation where there is high population density in the commercial district when a lot of people are out shopping at certain times there are times of the week where these shops are relatively empty but the mask mandate is still in force you must be almost the entire rural area with roughly 5100000. 00 residents is now considered to be a coronavirus hotspot the mask mandate in effect in many parts of the densely populated region aims to avoid lock downs and to protect high risk patients there is much concern and care homes throughout germany. Impulse all fall must make preparations concepts for visitors and taking the important step of making rapid tests available for visitors to the facilities so that everyone involved feel secure and that no one who is already infected with a virus is entering here with the street the measures aimed to prevent the isolation of nursing home residents but various also cracking down to limit the spread of coronavirus by imposing curfews such as in fact its gotten. A day after the u. S. Department of justice launched an antitrust lawsuit against google the Search Engine giant is saying that it is ready for legal battles that will take years google has denied the trump administrations claim that it is abusing its market dominance to snuff out competition the u. S. Case could eventually lead to the breakup of google which makes the multibillion euro fines imposed against it by the European Union seem pale in comparison and googles legal problems they are not only transatlantic all stroy as competition watchdog is also considering an antitrust lawsuit this is how australias Consumer Commission chairman reacted to reports that google is paying apple billions of dollars to remain the default Search Engine on the web browser so far. And you know ahead this morning on the news google saying. Well it doesnt matter either way it just such a popular face would be there anyway well if thats the case why youre paying 9000000000. 00 a year to apple and its a serious money for some people not a 1000000000 so. What were going to do now to answer your question is were going to look at it and say whether theres any value in what we might do about you know this is i this is the biggest id trust case in the world of one of the biggest a trust crisis and were in the last in the twentys. A lot of the day i was taken on a move follow really closely. Well my next guest tonight agrees that google is taking up all of these Search Engine oxygen leaving none for competitors such as his company weinberg is the founder of the Search Engine duck duck go now if you havent heard of duck duck go that may have to do with the fact that google hosts more than a trillion searches each year duck. Has about 3000000000 correct me if im wrong there are joins me tonight from pennsylvania its good to have you on this show mr weinberg so lets talk about duck duck go d and google youve been described as a david versus goliath partner if you will is this antitrust lawsuit is it going to do what you need most and that is to make the market say or. Thanks for having me i mean so dont go as a Privacy Company we really offer a private alternative to google so if you would like to air you know. Your search has been tracked or an option for that all we would like is consumers who would like a private option to be able to choose one easily and the issue right now is theyre not really able to easily choose especially on a 100 kroner because who really walk down it makes a very complicated pretty user is to choose an alternative. Is is that mr weinberg is that the crux of the argument here i mean give me an example of how googles size and dominance and how does it hurt your business on a daily basis is it with the end as you were saying. Yeah i mean that but through their parts of it android is one of many examples but for example on android we put out a post last week showing that it takes 15 plus taps to make the default on major search entry points on a device like the home screen which and the default browser and that doesnt even include all the search entry point some of them are actually impossible to change and so in that landscape its very difficult for a consumer to be able to use an alternative to google and thats where the issue of case here is that google has a search for not late but they also have monopolies in browsers and operating systems and theyre using the operating system and browser monopolies to unnaturally prop up the search. Your Business Model as you were saying is very different from googles it mean you do not profile your users. Do you feel somewhat vindicated by news that the department of justice has started this antitrust lawsuit yet were worried fairly please that this is a great staff theyve said in no Uncertain Terms that google is using continues years you know anticompetitive tactics to maintain their monopoly but the real issue at heart is privacy as you know thats the harm at the center is googles anticompetitive practices yes they hurt Companies Like us but the negative impact of the behavioral targeting and all the endless Data Collection has on society a democracy is much worse and so were just advocating in general that consumers have an easy opportunity to opt out and get privacy you know for the consumers that want and there is a lot they want i mean im wondering do you sometimes wish in another life that maybe your company would be here in europe where consumers place a higher value on that data privacy and data protection. So were old wyatt actually and more than half of our user base is not in the u. S. And europe is the 2nd largest just to give you some scale were our 2 percent of the Search Market major develop i suppose you reference about 2000000000 searches thats our monthly number so yearly its more like 2530000000000 and so we do signs of a volume in europe including germany. And were really a private option the issue at hand though is that we think if consumers are really given an easy option a one click option no change there for us a device we beat and times as large and so weve done some studies showing that generally of consumers are given options you know all the european Search Engines that youve heard of besides google and us and being at yahoo but googles market share with drop by 20 Percentage Points overnight and thats the pent up demand crawl curtis that exists right now its just theyre making it very complicated to get with us which yeah thats fascinating the numbers there are you worried mr weinberg that this lawsuit money not be motivated by purely antitrust considerations i notice that all of the attorneys general who are plaintiffs in this case are republicans theres not a single democrat who is a plaintiff in this case does that worry you. No i think thats just a its a blip in the long term trajectory of this so you know there was a house antitrust or you know of surety or. Reported on already 455th trip or about the other an odd ways and that was that had by the democrats in the u. S. Theres also addressed the issue by democratic turning generals going on and we expect them to file additional cases and or joint this last year im a little later do you see this lawsuit being strengthened its were talking about a Joe Joe BidenAdministration Come next year. You know i think that the higher level point is this is a bipartisan effort or privacy itself it is a bipartisan issue its not on the right or left in the us or it in any party in europe as you noted most people are looking at some poll numbers here 90 percent of people say privacy should be a human right and 93 percent of americans fur us datafile say they would choose a private operator with this consider choosing a private option given the option and thats the issue i have and here is theyre just not options no ones really been asked whether they would like to use google even if the majority of people would still at google a large percentage of people would opt for other things and if google is so clear that they would pick google and they should make it easy and will contest the argument let me ask you before we run out of time this antitrust lawsuit it could result in google being broken up how would you benefit from a breakup of google. We actually are allocated differently they want that is much simpler and easier which is just when youre installing a new device or browser youre really given the option to select your certifier in one click thats much easier to break out but also gives us the benefit yeah i agree with you its seems like a much simpler solution to this situation but i think is going to take a lot of litigation to get there weinberg founder of duck duck go mr weinberg its good talking with you and please come back again i have a feeling this story will have some very long legs and i was talking with. The news is explosive it is set to ignite fiery debates and it has all to do with how people love pope francis has said that he supports Civil Union Laws to protect the rights of same sex couples he made the comments in a new documentary about the pontiff entitled francesca which premiered today at the rome Film Festival the statement marks a decided shift for the roman Catholic Church the film also tackles other controversial issues such as racism Climate Change sexual abuse and relations between christians muslims and jews. Are for more im joined by our religious Affairs Correspondent martin tonight good evening to you martin we know that language is very important here of so what exactly did the pope say about same sex unions. Well the statement as its been reported which comes out of the mentor as you pointed out has basically 3 legs the 1st when he said that gay couples have a right to a family. The 2nd element is that they cannot be completely left in a situation of nervously or in a situation of rigor i agree and the 3rd one the study in fact the best way forward would be civil unions and sort of the big probably one of the most surprising statements is that in fact he says i stood for that so that means that you know this solves already something that has been. Part of the heart of these folks suggest that but he did not use the word the term same sex marriage and thats important as it. Well i think it is important but i think that its also very important to put this into perspective we have basically the pope indorsing openly civil unions for gay couples across the globe. I mean you know one needs only to look if its recent. Church politics and church positions see sort of the sea change that we are actually witnessing and. So i think in a sense yes this will never satisfy all the demands or necessities of people that are actually fighting for gay rights or for take for minority rights at the same time i mean the gesture its just such and such a scale yeah you know the political impact is immediate and youre seeing it. There have there been clues martin to the popes thinking on this subject back in 2015 the pope visited the United States for the 1st time as the pope and were going to show you some video here he paid a visit to a dear friend of his and that friends same sex partner you see the might there thats. Was a student of pope francis in argentina years ago now this meeting that were looking at right now here it generated headlines it was part of the pontiff unveiling if you will of his own evolution on the subject of homosexuality and same sex couples i mean this is its not a complete departure for the pope and what has what would have been his views on civil unions that we know of. I think that you know with various. There is pro there are only 2 very clear periods one is the period in which you know the science had been sort of systematically there and its not only been jesters spent his being pretty much open statements i believe it was in 2016 when he was on the way back to rome and he said that you know if there are gay people of pure hearts who is he to judge the of course the reaction was immediate the lift the journalist said that this was not enough the right condemn him for essentially supporting or endorsing homosexuality the previous period which is argentina in their region tinian buster a word was one that was very much sort of. You know involved in the what he later came to call the church of the people so that meant that he dealt with a lot of sort of human tragedy a lot of sort of for himself you know a social a social disconnect in social a nation and people that were actually the screaming against and that were big himself by lance and abuse for being on the sexual or being. Part of minorities which meant that hes position in relation to the Gay Community has always been more or less the one that we see now i think that this would could not possibly come to a surprise to anybody within the church but i think its very important to remember as he said before that this statement is of such magnitude that the political impact of these its necessarily going to be actually very strong as well what before we run out of time what the balance is the impact on this is an intense surveyed of congregations and im thinking of the Catholic Church in poland in the Catholic Church in africa which is conservative and is growing compared that with what you see here in europe or in north america. I think i mean the reactions are clearly going to be very loud i just do not think that the polish church hes significant enough in terms of like the Global Church politics but the american Catholic Church which has one of its branches at least which is the one thats associated usually with figures like Cardinal Burke are you know extremely extremely conservative had been extremely critical of this pope and have full o. Sort of a form of god only see some that away from the principles of mercy that this policy has tried to push forth the idea of solidarity helping down there or for other human beings they have taken position much closer to american about jenny police and which has really brought you said i virgins from from the Current Church those people are already out into our airwaves and are already out online sort of offering really lobby ari criticisms of the spa pacy i think its very important to point out that the reaction by and large has been quite busted if and the measure are places like menuhin places like all in and probably not places like San Francisco or new york all right our religious Affairs CorrespondentMartin Jacques martin as always we appreciate your valuable insights into this thank you my pleasure. There less than 2 weeks to go before americans elect the president will it be a 2nd term for donald trump or switch to challenger joe by people around the world are following the campaigns especially if they have personal ties to the u. S. The w. s alexander phenomena visited poland which has seen many of its people migrate to the u. S. She wanted to find out whos the favorite there. Sophia corrodes grandfather was the 1st to go hoping to make his American Dream come true since then her familys relationship with the u. S. Has been an enduring love story sophia corot spent 15 years there. Id like to be here i just got to like america a lot but i was going back and forth for a while. Could settle back in poland to finish building her house but her 4 children and their children stayed in america for good its nothing unusual in southern poland here in question the school in the foothills of the top from mountains roman krupa is the mayor he tells me almost every family here has relatives in the us. d d we like america a lot because we are with. Most of the houses you can see here with group with money our people what i have to make in the us. The ties go back to the 19th century when the 1st people from the top from mountains left their region to escape poverty and seek a better life in america many followed up until today poland has always been able to rely on the u. S. Says district administrator appeared bung hes a fan of president s trump and is rooting for his reelection bank believes trump will keep poland safe. The fact that the american troops are in pole. As our allies to deter potential enemies is important for us and one of the reasons why his reelection would be good for us. An assessment that its in line with paul unselfish all Foreign Policy and never Trump Victory would be good news for the conservative polish government the current you ask of many its ration sees war so as an essential ally in a deeply trump critical europe and in return america supports poland in a number of important areas such as defense and Energy Security that might all change if joe biden gets elected. Joe biden doesnt have many fans in the region says mayor krupa most people here are conservative and prefer a trump agenda and you know. You go like this rational business oriented approach. And i support his efforts to secure the border to make it more difficult for migrants to get in. Sofia quran says her family in the u. S. Will certainly vote for trump and although she doesnt follow american politics closely there are things she likes about him. He seems to be very religious he prays for this and that. I had a good time in the us sophia quote says and although she reckons its easier these days to find work in nearby germany or austria america will always be special to her. The conversation continues on twitter. T. V. Remember whatever happens between now and tomorrow is another day well see you there everybody. The phone. From the leather from mushrooms leave me come a shoe. Or just. The beginning of the end to animal based products. But which will turn into his work and which one of the. New ideas from the Global Market made in germany. Will you. Enter the conflict zone confronting the powerful. More than 2 years ago a new government in armenia came to power in a socalled velvet revolution with the hope of fundamental democratic reforms my guest this week from iran is armenian foreign minister store of manasseh cognac how much responsibility does armenia for the conflict escalation conflict on. 60 minutes. Or. 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Pigs in tight airless cages cows that dont know the taste of fresh grass chickens that never go outdoors thats the sad reality of factory farming the production of ever cheaper meat comes at the expense of the animals well being cheap meat from poorly treated animals comes to the consumers expense to after all how can we ensure that the quality of animal products is good if the industry is all about reducing costs the cost of meat thats our topic today on made in germany the business magazine on torture fella its good to have you with us consumers have long viewed meat as a mere commodity without connecting it to the lives of the animals it comes from certainly applies to industrial poor production which favors scale over Animal Welfare and that means that pig farms to cram the animals into tight enclosures with no room to move around naturally researchers are getting a better understanding of pigs and just how smart sensitive even sociable they are these discoveries in turn are helping drive Consumer Preferences and driving demand for better or humane production methods lets take a look at a farm that tries to raise happy picks. These pigs need an unusually large amount of straw thats because of the enlightened approach taken by farmer got the element of x. Money. Instead of viewing her animals purely as future food she treats them as living beings and places value on how they feel. She posts daily to social media with stories from her free range enclosure she believes that the set up appeals to consumers her pigs are not crammed into a single pan as is the case with conventional pig farming but are free to roam as a result the animals dont gain weight as quickly so rearing them takes longer and costs more money but the farmers determined to give the animals a decent life and her 2000 or so pigs seem to appreciate it. Basically created an activity area for the pigs with twice the amount of space that and that costs more money the animals can choose whether to go outside go to the straw area or to the shower which has a slated for this or maybe go to the resting area where they can choose where theyd like to go the whole day long also. The farmer fences off her enclosure to protect her pigs from the african swine fever virus which is often transmitted by wild boar a few kilometers away and this farm run by youre on a of us also has around 2000 pigs he uses a system of containment doors and foot baths for protection. Has on most pig farms in germany his animals are housed in a conventional pen that means there caged in 247 a set up that Animal Welfare campaigners criticize. But halos has other concerns right now since the outbreak of the african swine fever his livestock are worth around 20 euro cents less per kilo. The something you know its pretty easy to calculate if an average farmer in this region has 7 or 800 pigs that quickly adds up to a loss of 15 or 20000 euros im from one day to the next month on their prices falling because countries in asia are currently no longer importing german pork because of the african swine fever and Alarming Development for young alas and marketing expert albert hall to munch oaten germans tend to eat only certain parts of the pig which is why farmers here benefited from preferences that asian consumers have. The. Different markets complemented each other wonderfully and germans primarily eat con fry parts like pork couplets meat from the neck or the law any more pork chops. That. Asians tend to eat more of the fatty parts fit as well as parts with cartilage like the ears feet and tail fins. So much in demand here and off and its over gets in when its going to become extremely difficult to find buyers for those parts in europe and other countries. The food is the taj. So giving it also shes. Got the element of excitement had already designed an alternative Marketing Strategy for the pigs in her animal friendly enclosure and now during the Coronavirus Crisis thats paid off zara dean runs a meat cutting plant that processes 80 pigs a week from the mill its month farm its a more complicated operation than at conventional large scale meat factories. In this case its not just the prime cuts that are being sold theres also demand for a wide variety of sausage concoctions. The resulting Meat Products are then sold throughout the country by south again cutting out the dip. Tendency on overseas export products. Still some parts are hard to so even in traditionally pour concrete germany. They buy coffee in spite of all things yes not so with heads and pork belly were doing ok theres bacon and jelly loves us. But only to a certain capacity. Then dust was a pigs trotters tails and ears thats where we just dont have enough buyers we cant get rid of them 1900 they spent in its rules. But thats only a minor setback while conventional pig farms are absolutely depended on asian markets Gabriella Miller is still doing ok sales wise plus the price for her pigs has remained stable. As a visit from the if its in terms of the fish and see where somewhere between conventional and organic and theres a big interest in this among farmers not just with this system here all animal friendly concepts in germany are seeing a major run among farmers and. And those concepts are also in demand among retailers low price Meat Products are now off the menu at this supermarket the only pork on offer at the meat counter comes from farms like months. Its 30 percent more expensive than conventional pork for supermarkets its a risk but they too see something beyond the immediate profits. We now have a different approach to selling meat our stuff feels that way too because its something you can better identify with. Zeal these. May well have lost some customers who prefer budget meat from conventional farming will. Go to the gulf but weve also seen an increase in new customers coming from further afield and sometimes. Around 55000000. 00 pigs are slaughtered every year in germany so far only a tiny portion of those is reared on animal Friendly Farms but. Is confident that their number will soon grow. To meet was a crucial element of humankinds early diet a long lasting source of energy is costing tens of and therefore rarely on the dinner table today its a staple of our meals and we expected to be as cheap as possible where it comes from these days thats anyones guess so how do we get to this point is a brief look back at the history of meat. Pleats market where does our appetite for animals come from. Meat was highly valued by our ancestors the energy rich food even played a role in human evolution. As the human brain grew larger strategies weapons in the 20s for obtaining meat improved. At 1st our ancestors a carcasses then they hunted mammoths bats wild boar the more prey the bigger the groups they could sustain. The formation of large cities ushered in local small to houses different kinds of but just formed guilds and open markets. Then came the Industrial Revolution in 1965 chicago opened its 1st meat packing plants in which entire herds of cattle were slaughtered and processed on assembly lines. The meat packing industry went global after world war 2 and Meat Consumption doubled meet once a sign of prosperity became an affordable commodity. In 2019 more pork was exported from the e. U. Than anywhere else in the world with germany and spain at the top brazil and australia lead in the fact sports. Thanks to subsidies the e. U. And the us have flooded World Markets with cheap chicken countries like ghana cant keep up and have largely stopped producing domestic chicken meat. Nowadays its hard to figure out where the meat in all supermarkets comes from and its bred fed slaughtered and processed in Different Countries according to where its cheapest Animal Welfare is usually disregarded. Scandals over rotten meat horse meat and low wages and the damage done to the environment by mass meat production have harmed meats image. Although nowadays our brain gets enough nutrients from other foods while white Meat Consumption isnt going down but maybe the meat of the future will come from the tree. Well test tube taco meat made it sounds especially appealing but there is indeed a growing variety of meat substitutes that are carving their way into the market and with meat hardly a luxury anymore avoiding animal products has actually become a trend in many countries not just concerns over Animal Welfare theyre driving the switch to begin diets but worries about the impact of animal products on our health and the environment. Its no secret the Food Industry is a climate killer producing more than a quarter of all c o 2 emissions worldwide thats more than the emissions of cars planes and ships combined. Farming accounts for 70 percent of all consumption of fresh water and 50 percent of all habitable land is used by the agriculture industry we have to receive our food system and our food and our products are being produced and soon we figure out. To use more or less. The Meat Industry is one of the worst for the climate. Cattle produce methane its a Greenhouse Gas which is 28. 00 times more potent than c o 2. But not only the climate is suffering. Animal welfare also falls victim talk craving for meat. And thats why the international n. G. O. S provenge has made it one of their goals to reduce the consumption of animal products. So. Its become more and more clear how much these animals which we call livestock suffer and musically these are animals that are bred under the worst conditions with the sole purpose of becoming meat on a forward way of bringing. The worlds population is forecast to grow to almost 10000000000 by 2050. And more people means more food in fact up to 60 percent more food might be needed thats not good news for our planet but there are environmentally friendly alternatives by 5 this in shaft for example researchers at Oxford University have calculated that a plant based diet and specifically the c o 2 footprint of a plant based diet could be reduced by 73 percent. Having out. And the message seems to be catching on Meat Consumption in the global north has been declining for years one reason is the development of Meat Alternatives its a market thats been growing steadily in western countries the n. G. O. Hopes that by 2040 the consumption of animal products will drop by 50 percent. When youre found if you look at how fast the market is growing especially for big and planet based on the alternatives then maybe were not so far away from this goal anymore if i pick many consumers are now giving more thought to what they buy theyre paying more attention to the ecological and ethical effects that choices have. d but many people still crave the taste of meat and have a hard time giving it up thats where Meat Alternatives come in. The traditional german Meat Processing company who picked up on the trend early on the company has been focusing on meat substitutes since 2015 success. Food and want you will be informed by for the 1st time we sold more alternative products than meat and sausages. And demand seems to be growing all the time. The studio and you look at studies and predictions about the world market and the German Market then you see the German Market is about 215000000 euro oil the prognosis for 2030 years that will be at almost 30000000000 euros by then. It seems like we may well be in the midst of a food revolution. One of the biggest witness would have cost be the climate but Animal Welfare and our own health would benefit from a chain. Diet to. The World Health Organization want in 2015 that processed meat and red meat could be linked to certain cancers. But what about these meat substitutes are they really help. On the whole these products have a lot of benefits studies have shown that red meat is quite problematic and it appears to be linked to a higher risk of Colorectal Cancer especially if you dont lot of it in general and you need to Pay Attention to the ingredients used in these alternative products sometimes they use quite a few additives and stabilizers im also fires flavorings sometimes even flavor enhancer