A deal but she also added that if that is not going to happen the European Union the would have to plan for alternatives i tried to press her a little bit with a follow up to get a direct reaction to. Demand but she just told me that shes not negotiating through the media it was french president Emmanuel Mccall who was more outspoken he told the press the bad its not the job of the European Union to make Boris Johnson happy and that the british people were misled to believe that its a repeat union who really wants a deal he said the other way round its ok that a deal more that the European Union a clear signal from brussels here that they are determined to continue the negotiations they want a deal but not at any price. Boris johnson Spokesman Says the talks or over the e. U. Shifts its position is just another tactic to increase pressure you think. Well yes he went a step further than Prime MinisterBoris Johnson had been just a couple of hours before and definitely increasing pressure on the European Union but they will not abandon talks lightly and we will have to see how this plays out over the weekend whether the talks with elections go ahead next week and the speculation is that they will we know that a lot of Business Leaders of even impro ring the Prime Minister not to abandon these talks because the economic long term consequences of a no deal breaks it could really be very very rough for the u. K. The countries are already hit very hard by a cold its a big recession and its history and if there was a long term put on putting on the brakes of investments due to breaks if that would really hit the u. K. Economy hard it could be mass and floyd meant for example in the Manufacturing Sector so the Prime Minister will not abandon these talks lightly for good i want to stay in london there for a moment because boards johnson of course as you just referenced is facing a growing coronavirus pandemic he issued a stark warning today if tougher restrictions are not implemented take a listen to what he had to say no one wants to have to implement these measures which damage local businesses could tell you individual freedom and impose significant strains on Peoples Mental Health but these decisions were necessary because of the rate to be increased not just of infections but also in hospitalized patients and admissions to intensive care we dont actually there is no doubt that our really chance would soon be struggling to treat the sheer number of people seriously ill we could bring it just how bad is the situation in britain and whats the outlook. Well at the moment its really quite dire there are statistics out use it says ticks and they estimate that almost 30000 people every day and thats just in england get infected so thats of course a huge number if you look into that a european context and we know that its the Health Service that could really be overwhelmed quite quickly we know from doctors in the north of warning about. The hospitals are nearing at the breaking point we had from Northern Ireland another region from england that is hard hit we know that we have reports that some hospitals have to stop other procedures other elective procedures so that of course this is harming the people and the discussion at the moment here in the u. K. Is what is the best measure is it may be necessary to go to another Strict Lockdown as we have seen earlier in the year at the moment the Prime Minister has judged that he doesnt want to do it thought he hasnt excluded it for the future so we have to watch this space. Correspondents for good monsters and alexander the nominee really appreciate your time thank you a new study by the World Health Organization is casting doubt on the effectiveness of the drug gram desart here in treating cope with 19 results suggest that the u. S. Developed antiviral medication does not increase the survival rate of covert patients or help reduce the length of their hospital stays of ear received emergency approval in the u. S. After earlier studies showed the drug help speed up recovery the medication has been touted by President Donald Trump who was treated with it during his own hospitalization with the growth of one. We can now hear from catherine small words shes a senior emergency officer at the World Health Organization and she joins us from copenhagen welcome to d. W. News i guess of 1st questions a simple one how big a deal is this. Thank you for having me on it its so significant announcements and its based on a significant amount of research through a massive Clinical Trial called the solidarity call that the military has been working to coordinate with over 30 Different Countries and in this trial in fact the 5000 patients were in rome in the when doesnt there are so we do have a lot of data on these results all interim results and they compare that hospitalized patients against the current standard of care in 3 areas so that included mortality it included the time taken to. To be placed on ventilation i was included in the overall hospitalized time that the patients. Were put through and for all 3 of those are results to show that the comparison that i get standard of cat was not significant so they are quite important announcements to make and the trial will continue with them doesnt theyre continuing to to be. As one of the arms of the trial and well have the details and results to share in due course i wonder at this stage in your in your research or your studies you can answer this question but i think its an important one so yes of year doesnt increase patient survival rate nor does it shorten hospital say it stays so what does this highly touted drug actually do. Well that remains to be seen and there are other trials of course that run through other countries and to other Research Groups that are looking at the the use of the mets him in other types of patients and that might include patients with less severe disease that are not hospitalized so thats an important caveat to make that this information and the data thats being used currently by w. H. O. Is really limited to those patients that have a disease thats that 19 that is severe enough to be facing them in hospital in the 1st place Catherine Smallwood from the w. H. O. Really appreciate your joining us youre welcome thank you very much. Lets turn now to some of the other stories making news around the world. Overturned a late night shutdown of bars and restaurants a judge ruled the german capitals 1st curfew in 70 years was an unreasonable infringement of the Hospitality Industries freedom the Health Minister says hes disappointed 1000 infections are in the city. Villagers authorities have issued a warrant for the arrest of opposition leader. Seen here during a recent visit they accused of trying to oust the government has been calling for protests against the regime of Alexander Lukashenko since going into exile in august. Leaders have condemned turkeys decision to again dispatch a ship into disputed waters in the Eastern Mediterranean german chancellor Angela Merkel called the action regrettable and deployed a Research Boat close to greek islands to look for possible gas reserves. U. S. President donald trump and his democratic challenger joe biden have been answering questions from voters at separate televised events held at the same time on different t. V. Channels the socalled town Hall Meetings replaced the 2nd president ial debate which was canceled after trump was diagnosed with coded 19 and then refused to conduct the debate online the rivals have very different approaches. Always confident at times defensive as the incumbent u. S. President donald trump now has a record to pick apart and he got a grilling starting out with the nations biggest crisis a coronavirus. I knew it was a big threat at the same time i dont want to panic this country i dont want to go out and say everybodys going to die everybody is going to air it over after you dont have this holiday but you can you know no its not going to get and more contentious exchanges as trump made exaggerated claims about voter fraud and deflected criticism over his tax returns and his position on White Supremacy you know rush into it youve done this twice everybodys seen like i do White Supremacy ok few times against a White Supremacy for years my position at the same time on a different channel a different tone thomas challenger joe biden offered a forceful rebuke of trumps Pandemic Response it was a president a responsibility to lead and he didnt do that he didnt talk about what needed to be done because he kept worrying and my view about the stock market we make up 4 percent of the worlds population we have 20 percent of the worlds tests were in a situation where we have 210. 00 plus 1000 people dead and whats he doing nothing hes still not worried mass and so on because at times the bite and he entered but he did deliver clear punch lines on a number of issues including Foreign Policy if they will and before the election you are open for most effective as a world leader in my humble opinion not just by the exercise of our power most powerful nation in the world but the power of our example thats whats led the rest of the world to follow us calling for after trading blows remotely the 2 candidates will again face off at the final Election Debate next week about making force that brazils Football Museum has reopened with a special exhibition that honors the legend. Player paling whos turning 80 next week a giant statue of the former international greets visitors as say enter the museum the 3 time world cup winner is seen by many as the greatest player of all time. Watching the news stay with us. Combating the corona pandemic. Where does research stand. What are scientists learning. Background information and news. Hour carona updates. From the covert 19 special next on d w. Beethoven is for me. Its for. Beethoven is for. Me to. Beethoven is for. Beethoven is for. Beethoven 2020. 150th anniversary here on. New infections are up celebrating around the world in what appears to be the pandemics next wave but even as death rates remain lower in Hotspots HealthOfficials Say its too soon to assume mortality rates wont take up alongside case counts. Vinta such the newest unfold in europe with exponential increase in daily cases unmet shing but a scent that increases in daily deaths. The evolving situation in europe raises great concern. As they look at the surging numbers one expression is uniting many scientists are calling this time a cliffhanger moment what can the figures tell us about the best way to respond. Welcome to the w. s covert 19 special im jenelle that. We find ourselves in a time where each day sings to bring new sobering infection records governments everywhere are trying to push those numbers down while trying to stave off a lockdown but few have been able to avoid new restrictions we bring you with this report from france its. Lunchtime in the era of coronavirus the last time m. F. N e had fries she shared them with a friend who later tested positive for covert 19 and then ventured temporary Testing Center close to university here in surgery not far from paris but she never received her celts it was annoying because over my friends were meeting id like apartments or anything to just like leave and i couldnt even go to the school to look at them because physically when i cool so it was waiting like but well just stay home and do nothing but. I think you have to go through that its not usual for test results to get lost in france but waiting for them isnt unusual recently people here often had to sit tight for several days in some cases over a week to get an appointment and the result time during which many others could have been infected france was hit especially hard in the spring of the beginning of the covert 1000 pandemic thats why the country ramped up tests and its now carrying out more than 1000000. 00 per week like in this lab led by josh actually minutes he says the situation has improved. It ordered to do so given the facts the requests were twice as high as we had to make sure that we could technically carry out the number of tests requested. On the requests from. Me on today this situation is currently being were soft. But directed testing is not the only solution cases are especially high in big cities like paris where the density of population is very high this hospital in point of paris was going through a hard time during the 1st wave into our Divorce Court he notes in the covert dungeon response here he sees another main reason for the rise in numbers and france. The french population suffered a huge trauma during the 1st wave nevertheless with another wave were seeing a relative lax behavior in people looking for. Divorce personal responsibility is key in fighting the virus keeping a safe distance and meeting us few people as possible but since the virus is now heavily circulating in france the government is toughening rules in paris for example bars have to close down for now. Were joined by cutter enough and shes a live Data Scientist at the World Data Lab catarina since the start of the pandemic weve been inundated with numbers and it can be hard to derive meaning from that weve seen the death toll from corona virus worldwide past 1000000 now what does a figure like that tell us. Well 1st of all i think it tells us that we should really take this challenge seriously i mean when were going this fight a high number and i think that a few months ago you couldnt really ask me to imagine this but to really drive meaning from that on birth and to really stand for something measures and i think its even more important to look at country specific numbers and especially constitute big numbers of deaths and i think it still all these all these numbers these things that make really puts into a new situation and to remain challenge and still we dont you know how the next months will turn out. But why is it most important to get countries specific numbers and especially of deaths does how does that help us get the most accurate picture of the impact of the pandemic. So 1st of all i think if we look at the number of infections versus the number of deaths the number something factions obvious need to depend a lot on how much do you test and the numbers of deaths. By the reports in almost every country of the vault so im going to give us a better picture of what you say actually happening and how that situation really is i think however it can make sense to look at the number of infections if we think about short term measures that we want to take the number sections gives us a better picture wise and especially if we want to compare Different Countries across the globe i think the number of excuses and even better. Comparisons have also figured quite prominently people would say compare fluid deaths to a coronavirus thats as a way of putting these numbers into contacts how useful do you think that is as an exercise. Well i think if we compare numbers of stats this can actually be quite misleading we compare 19 to the normal fuel and think that you know a lot of countries we can see that their numbers are thats from 99 not so high so far like one stop in germany austria if you have the chance to really take measures quite early in this and that make but i think here we should not be misled about another self debts but we should draw there are look at studies that analyze that infections at 73 so this is basically the rate of how many people are in fact that no matter whether you show symptoms or not really die of disease and here we can see that 19 is actually 16 times as the enemy as a moment so i think thats the best comparison. 16 times as deadly as a normal flu with that is a staggering figure of course i also want to ask you about the number of unreported cases we have to assume there are a lot how much do you think they affect their understanding of the whole picture. Well they definitely affect our understanding of this picture and its really hard to assess also how many on the part he says they are specially in countries that either cannot be one to test a lot or also in poor countries that just dont have the possibility to really get with measures of these numbers i think in this case it can be helpful to look at the total numbers of deaths not only from the whole week but all over all and country and then compared piece numbers to the averages from the last years and i think this can really tell us have has the number of deaths increased have people been dying because of it and that may. Well i have to say katerina i worry that we lose sight of the fact that behind these numbers there are real people and real consequences for real lives to remind our policymakers doing a good job of remembering this when they design responses to the crisis. Well i want to soon that they are doing their best and i think that in many countries also for example germany and austria they have gone on quite a good job so far i mean i think its really hard to assess which mess are smart as we should take and i really wouldnt want to be in their place so i think in many countries they are doing a rotten job so far also and i think that the numbers are probably the most useful tool for setting measures and force the lending so i think numbers and they dont really give us the best guidelines here and there are things that as a whole to life emotions or the feelings that we have with this one demick numbers can also really help us to find the misinformation and also the insecurity that its related to this and i mean so i think that looking at the numbers and really trying to do our best setting different measures here is the best you can do which moment. Numbers tell a story but you have to be listening thank you very much catherine offense of the World Data Lab we really appreciate your insights thank you for having me. And speaking of numbers here are the latest data off from more than 200 countries the numbers show new cases doubling in 38 nations and increasing in another 79 countries. They stayed at the same level in 10 countries. 67 nations so seeing their new positive kovan 1000 cases decline another 8 are down by at least half and 8 countries have reported no new cases for 4 weeks in a row heres the bar graph showing the statistics of the past few weeks the fight against the corona virus will be over when that whole chart turns blue so its going to take some time. And now its time for our question over to our science correspondent derek williams. Dangerous is the pneumonia why not find a cure or treatment for the pneumonia instead of the virus. Pneumonia is a blanket term thats generally defined as a more or less serious inflammation of tissue in your air passages and or your lungs it can be caused by a number of different pathogens both both viral and bacterial pneumonia that coven 1000. 00 can cause is generally a knish evaded by the virus and cant be treated for example with antibiotics which only kill bacteria when theyre infected with source code to the cells in the small sacs in their lungs where where gas exchange occurs what are called the alveoli begin to die and clog the lungs up and that can eventually lead to whats called acute respiratory distress syndrome as the pneumonia progresses the situation can be exacerbated by the immune system causing massive inflammation which is which is supposed to help get the infection under control but which can actually make things worse so so treating or curing coronavirus pneumonia means either addressing the problem at its root which is the sars code to infection itself or somehow toning down the bodys immune response to when it goes over the top. 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