Im british commentary welcome to. Its good to have you with us there is anger in bang others off the news of the gang rape of a woman in the countrys south went public the woman was stripped beaten and assaulted by a group of men who also filmed the crime and made the video public student organizations and activists demonstrated in the capital dhaka against a dissident they are demanding amongst other things speedy trials in rape cases and Capital Punishment for rapists authorities have so father said at least 6 people in connection with the case. Spoke to some of those participating in the protests this is what they said. I dont think we have come out today to give a strong answer to those across the country who are playing with women and childrens lives in the name of sexual harassment. And identity. Despite being molested today in a public bus by the attendant i have come to protest how much more do we have to bear we dont want such a bangladesh i want freedom i want to see my mother i want to see my 2 year old sister from all this we dont want this kind of a country surround sound is a lawyer and a human rights activist she joins me now from the bonavista capital dhaka. Do women in bangladesh feel safe in their country i think unfortunately not and its at the moment theres a huge crisis on where women and men together up the existing about the total lack of security for women in this speech of extremely violent and grandest rapes that have been reported but as a general rule i think that women dont feel safe whether its on the roads or in the or in their workplaces. Different forms of gender based violence or quite divisive and there really is a kind of impunity in these cases that we see which leads to this sense of insecurity that there arent enough efforts to prevent it and when these incidents happen we dont see in general we dont see effective prosecutions for most women the fear of violence were very real lives is very much a daily reality you spoke about prosecution and the protesters are demanding for instance speedy trials and Capital Punishment for a very posts are you saying that the legal system in bangladesh is. Victims of rape for instance. And you know i think these demands a disturbing and theyre disturbing because they show a lack of confidence they show a kind of destruction of confidence in the Legal Process and i think they come out of a sense of extreme frustration in people that they count on the legal system to work to confound and getting justice for victims and survivors of violence as they come from that space but what we really need is not not calls for the brutal violence of death penalties and you know exchange punishments i think what we need is to look at what is not working in our system why it is that the majority of women who experience violence we have we have data showing that not more than 2 or 3 percent of those women ever seek any kind of protection from anybody they never seek any kind of legal remedy because they dont feel that they have access to the system so i think those are the places where things need to change the police need to listen to women they need to accept complains when they need to them they need to investigate them promptly in the fission leave we need to have protection for victims we dont have that in place a local mission has drafted the goal almost 10 years ago. Measures to be put in place to ensure protection for victims and witnesses the law still hasnt been considered by a parliament and many people are talking about this is an epidemic of violence an epidemic of violence against women happening during the epidemic in the pandemic of prove it and theres no reason for us not to address it its not the 1st time weve seen these kinds of protests theyre gathering storm this time we have seen the full and in the many times in the process you seem its only when people galvanize on the street its only when these demands made that finally the state responds and tries to make some changes speaking of a response from the state by now this has a woman Prime MinisterSheikh Hasina then we think that safety of women would be a priority issue for government so that all these recommendations that have been made in the past can be implemented is it a tale of prior to. I believe its a priority in the sense that there are certainly policy measures that are in place there are high level political commitments also made by the Prime Minister has and by this government about protection against violence against women we have specialized legislation on violence we also have mechanisms like the police have a victim have Victim Support Centers medical hospitals in many districts have a one stop crisis and so in a sense the architecture is parky there we have part of the legal system the Legal Framework also the air but not only in bangladesh but in many of us south Asian Countries a Legal Framework is is up still a largely colonial framework so even the definitions of of rape come from from victorian lower they dont theyre not in theyre not consistent with our new modern understandings of basic rights human rights and our Constitutional Rights and so on so i think although there are policy commitments in place a lot needs to be done to overhaul our legal system to ensure that it is rights friendly and it is women friendly and its not the case but even more critically i think the real problem is in force and of the laws that we do have and meant much of the current protest is about this enormous sense of frustration and resentment that the Legal Process is not a fair process its a highly politicized process and its a process in which influence whether bought by money or bought through political political pressure can change the course of proceedings for victims thats why women dont get justice the end of the day and thats those are some of the recent cases that have catalyzed these protests are exactly about that that highly politically influential connected people are involved in these processes and you know there was a time and i thank you so much speaking to us around saying thank you. To pakistan next but a biscuit advertisement has set off a debate on what is moral and in modern in islamic pakistan the control of a suit of old around a well known actress in pakistan or out dancing in an adventist bun for a famous biscuit brand i ought to to this video. Ill show you that is a biscuit that eventually shows up for the head in this advertisement but to help us understand what the entire controversy is all about im joined the studio by deed of losers be nice job or welcome how does a biscuit advertisement generate a debate on what is moral and what is not and. I purchase none has made it through our debate in pakistan because i think some fictions of Pakistani Society are not happy to see our pockets on evil men dancing like this and promoting that brought and one of the journalist who did it at the peak of i. C. His more conservative journalist and he started this debate on social media by tweeting. Now done think will be used to sell biscuits wasnt pakistan created in the name of islam and british this tweet was liked by more than 15000 pakistani and it was indeed to be did almost 4000 times so he gained a lot of support on social media he was countered by a more progressive pakistani science minister for about charley who said i mean street why you keep searching for well get it the why dont you do something productive so debate got quite and dense and interesting and i think pakistani feminist and theyre going to mannys you summed up it like that if your tank woman done thing is sexual rather than beautiful you are the one with the problem so the debate antony of the big news what about divergence from what you outgrew how calm it is i think this outreach highlights the very forth lines that exist and Pakistani Society theyre competing views and competing ideologies in pakistan so there are people who want a more kilpatricks state there are people who want a strict implementation of the rules and barcas than i think theyre of like to have a system of countries like saudi arabia but then there are people in pakistan who want a more liberal country they want a more open society they want pakistan to become a part of Global Community and a country where women are not suppressed and women can express themselves and can view their what they want to be in this increased khans a very does a lot of fodder do is theres a recent phenomenon in the. So what if is it has changed from what it was in sixtys and seventys to what it is now today and pakistan it was in eightys when islamization and suppression of women started there was a minute to dictator who pushed for a country which has more strict 0 origin of islam. And he pushed for a country very women stay at home dont go out and participate equally along with woman along with men in the society and i think if you talk to pakistani people some of them have a foreign men ladies or what pakistan was like in sixtys and seventys and i know one of my College Principals used to adelas that when she was young she could wear a sleeveless shirt and would cycle to her college in the heart but i as a woman could not do that i did not have i did not enjoy that kind of freedom in pakistan so over a year things have changed and i think theres a sense of fear among liberals that islamisation has influenced masses in pakistan and you see when i was Something Like this happens people who have more conservative views they gain a lot of support what the more liberal voices in society are doing worse is being heard. Again its a difficult question to answer so when society in pakistan is increasingly docking about human rights they are showing that concern about women rights and then when theres a very Strong Movement in pakistan women march or its also called audix march and it has gained a lot of attention of open men and women in pakistan and this movement is basically talks about hypocrisy is that exist in Pakistani Society theyre very provocative and very walkable about whats happening in pakistan and dad of course attracts a lot of negative attention and criticism from the more conservative segments and pakistan is with id but i think this is any movement that also libya the hypocrisy is that exists in Pakistani Society especially when it comes to rule of women and back is done i think you see a lot of b. C. A lot of concern among the Civil Society recently there was an incident in pakistan of that a woman was raped late night on a motorway and the local police chief actually could just criticize the woman that you know she was there as she was out. At the wrong time on board and there was a lot of outrage and anger among pakistani people and the kind of pressure the government of pakistan needs to do something so that women in pakistan are see if and i think there are people talking about it showing concerns and i think that to me of beacon of hope and his driver thank you so much for coming in and break this down for us thank you. And thats it for today theres more on our web site be. Back tomorrow at the same time consumed about. Combating the corona pandemic. Where does research stand. What are scientists learning. Background information and news. Hour carona update. Covert 19 special next on d w. I was fishing when i arrived here i slept with 6 people in a room. It was hard i was fair. I even got white hair. Language head nodding off this gives me a little but you need to entrap lets say you want to do their story. Thats fighting and reliable information for margaret. Deaths from the coronavirus have devastated millions across the world. Many couldnt say goodbye to their loved ones. Funerals were restricted making grieving difficult. But even in normal circumstances one in 10 affected typically develop prolonged grief disorder. Cova deaths have been even more traumatic for the bereaved as specially at a time when getting the support they need isnt always possible. Im been physical and nice to have you along dealing with grief is hard enough in the middle of a lockdown during the panic of a pandemic. Or surrounded by bulldozers filling mass graves thats not easy but its important to deal with there are major Health Problems to think about and consequences for life. Teri schultz reports on one belgian familys loss. The world has lost a 1000000 lives. One of them meant the world to 10 year old lorenzo my grandpa was the best his grandpa luke picked him up from school each day and what. We made all merch and after that. We just played and couching just did what we wanted to deal. Mostly i got snacks easy but their hometown st truth was hit early and hard by the corona virus we had 53 people. Who had to enter the hospital and we only had bets for 20 people but luke was already hospitalized failing fast he said if i dont make it police take good care of the child he didnt make it on march 23rd luke became seen truants 1st corona death jeanine and their daughters nell and lane and lorenzo didnt even get to see goodbye now that really hot. But struck was really all. Mayor very hit and felt it personally her husband became critically ill but survived it was a terrible time for the families but also for us as a mayor but also all the people in my policemen and you know the people in the town who are working. 24 hours a day 6 months later same treatment has the infection rate under control with strict measures father room can and says now inhabitants need to heal its important to share. With each other what we feel what we want or and she thinks are the 2 but also or the. Mayor here and decided to create a space for that a corner of a city park is now a memorial the theme forget me not plenty of those flower. As had been planted by city landscaper d. D. S. Summers along with a tree of life and a plaque bearing a poem in the heart of. The flowers will come so yeah even when its. It will be a little bit. Beautiful. For the memorials dedication september 13th lorenzo was asked to commemorate his beloved grandfather he told his mom nellie he was too afraid to look at. The were again laugh at me. Lorenzo changed his mind and wrote a letter leave. Dear grandpa i miss you very much i am mad about corona mad about what happened you were dead best and always are going to be the best if you think he said. That i was brave and i was happy that i did it that way. For all would l. Out. Always happy. Everyone lies. To me grandpa. No one here will forget them. Really powerful stuff there and a great message about dealing with grief well martin i suppose and assistant professor for the department of psychology at the university of corning in the netherlands how do you deal with not being able to say goodbye so this is this is obviously a very very difficult situation. What was your thought about. Able to be physically present or juror when the when the person dies and also the funerals can be quite limited in how they are arranged not so many people can be there the example we just saw and where theres a collective ritual to deal with these losses i think thats great i think you can also creates a more private rituals with friends repeat close to the deceased. To to say goodbye to this cease again when it wasnt what you were able to do that well for what is it about the pandemic what else is there thats making it so hard for people to cope with losses like they. Know so theres a theres a couple of things that you consider 1st not being able to say goodbye or not being able to say goodbye the way you want to just definitely while these factors but there are also. Many additional stressors that people are now experiencing for instance that might. Feels more difficult to get social support socially isolated only that girls would be that theyre. Afraid to become ill themselves restricted to a house or for that they have certain i dont last is that you have to deal with it so it should financial moss for the loss of jobs and livelihood just you know here look sorry mum what are you going to say i was it was going to say that if you look at court 19 thats the civically its a different story still because people are also dealing with the sudden loss. And loss that occurs after some time in intensive care during which its really uncertain what happened and i and we know from the from side to literature these are risk factors for more severe repercussions what will happen because 10 percent of bereaved individuals sits historically typically develop problems grief disorder house cova going to change that. Yeah that is indeed the case stocks are after not lost due to Natural Causes we recently conducted the 1st quantity of study into this topic worldwide with people and adults and what we found in a very large surveyed 1500 people is that people who experience loss to cope at 19 actually have stronger griefs those then people who experience natural losses such as losses due to long term illness. And their acute reveals are more or less similar to. That experience by people who d d have experienced a natural loss and then were talking about accidents murder or suicide. So so these are very strong responses and be can expect that in the long run the prevalence of the long grief if hes within this specific group will open will go up and i believe you also have new findings on people grieving those whove died from other causes than corona during this pandemic yes thanks for asking yes we are we just had a paper except that on. This topic and what was really striking is that we found that people who experience loss not due to too corona to grown apart is actually also have elevated the grief levels if the loss occurs during the pandemic but off the floor so so that really shows us that also within this group. There is a people are experiencing more difficulties initiating d with the loss just in general is the internet making it any easier for people to grieve. Well what you do see is that more people are meeting online and this is not really a substitute but i think i think that can be a way to stay in touch if you kind of meet face to face but i think youre you might be referring to d is that these treatments. And in that case i can say that internet based treatments are. Available and internet unless theres also groups working on that. So theres people from university of corning and people focus at university that developing all i can do behavioral treatment for long pieces were specifically for people who experienced a lot to cope with 19 cases a very promising. Modernised i thank you very much for coming on the show today. Lets check in now with Eric Williams our science correspondent hes been looking into your questions on the coronavirus. Will the developments in the creation of a vaccine for this corona virus help towards a vaccine against the corona viruses that cause the common cold. Wouldnt it be great if something positive came out of this endemic like other vaccines for other coronaviruses for example or or even a universal Coronavirus Vaccine of some kind while that isnt impossible but its pretty unlikely anytime soon with all the resources that were throwing at a covert 19 vaccine were learning more every day about sars cove 2 but we still have a long way to go in understanding the way that coronaviruses in general evolved and the ways that theyre transmitted and we still dont know nearly enough about whats called cross reactivity which is when the weapons during the unit system produces to fight one infectious pathogen also work for others that have similar characteristics theres some evidence that cross reactivity in some people might be playing a role in helping badly they get coded 19 or how easily they fight it off but its all still very speculative one promising avenue of research for example that could help in the development of future Coronavirus Vaccines involves whats called the 2 domains on corona virus spikes those proteins that stick out that the viruses used to latch on to cells that theyre trying to in fact researchers have discovered that these 2 domains seem to be pretty well preserved across the range of corroded viruses that in fact humans and there are quite similar regardless of which one you look at thats a Great Potential starting point for working on a broader Coronavirus Vaccine but but its only that who knows though. 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