Special envoy on press freedom the move comes in response to a briggs it bill that clears the way for britain to break International Law if necessary so we need to scribe the government plan as lamentable and said they would only embolden order craddick regimes around the world. The u. S. Has announced plans to ban the chinese and mobile apps to talk and citing National Security concerns downloading the apps of the u. S. Will be blocked from sunday a full ban on the use of tick tock could come into effect by mid november experts worry to talks ana could pass on information about the apps the u. S. Uses to the Chinese Government. This is the news from berlin you can follow us on twitter and instagram at news or visit our website at state dot com. Your kids have probably got it on their phone so youve probably wondered why they find it so endlessly fascinating im talking about tech talk where kids message each other and lip sync to pop songs but President Trump is concerned it has a dark side he says its a National Security threat from sunday youll be banned from downloading it in the u. S. Really yes really im filled in belly and this is the day. Its very successful theres tremendous business in the United States people were riveted and when you look at. Too many of the toxins important. Its an amazing thing whatever it may be i just wish that. It really does like to have an impact on our world that the United States has to pick up and say it is well compensated because we are the ones that are make it possible. Coming up israel goes back into full lockdown following the surging coronavirus cases the new restrictions will be in force for 3 weeks. And everybodys and rates and theres a sense of confusion i feel it is a mistake it wasnt my pad it was no exit strategy from the last look down and now we enter another cycle of. Well the u. S. Has announced plans to ban the use of the chinese own to mobile apps and we chat citing National Security concerns and downloading the apps in the u. S. Will be block will be blocked from sunday with a full ban due in mid november imposing advancer the. The bans through executive orders President Trump says tick tocks chinese owners could pass information about the absolute u. S. Uses to beijing however the ban might be called off if the white house allows a deal between tick tocks chinese owners and u. S. Investors. Go and directs the platform accountability project at the Harvard Kennedy school as Computer Scientist has served as a technology and Economic Policy advisor in the of barmah white house and the Public Policy advisor at facebook welcome to g. W. Lets start with the basics trick talk a threat to u. S. National security. Its a difficult question but i think that it can very well can be and. The implication is very clear that you have you have an application here in this case owned in part by by china by a chinese entity which essentially collects a lot of information on users on a mass of users and many of those users are american. Tens of millions dozens of millions of users are american and when you have one application that is collecting all that information on so many people are voting population you can you can certainly have an impact on our National Security considerations because theres a thing. Thats absolutely true you know i mean this is a social Media Company and many people asked this question you know this is this is kids dancing and singing along to their to their favorite songs and sharing that with their network over took time thats what youre talking come to. We have to remember what happened behind behind. The application will collect a lot of information personally identifying information on a typical user not just your name but maybe other other forms of personally identifying information. Maybe youre dressed these kinds of things so they know where you are. Not only that they can collect certain other forms of information like youre engaged in on the platform your location and your your Friend Network these kinds of things through which the application can start the company by dance can start to develop influences behavior. Get all the information. Well information is power and knowledge is power and. Lets lets assume for a 2nd that the United States and china are political geopolitical adversaries. Not saying that they are or that they they wont be in the future but lets just assume for a 2nd that they are and china now has all this information about exactly who the lets say 100000000 american ticktock users are what their name is where they live and what kind of person they are that kind of information can really be used to target the democratic process and more broadly kind of Economic Future of the United States in very much the way that we saw we signed the case of brush in 2016 i think that any evidence that this actually happened. Well i dont i dont think that theres any evidence that that in fact to talk sent is quite categorically. That we the company protect. Users information were not working in tandem with the Chinese Government in the ways that. American Current Administration is thinking and there is there is essentially no publicly available information public evidence. These kinds of implications that. Because the just working from the more dangerous if i think in quotes apps would be the the but they take apps wouldnt they web but people are sending all sorts of messages and. Pictures of their body parts tomato thats the sort of thing that obviously dangerous. Well you know i think i think theres a different kind of danger with that with dating apps for sure that there are you know when youre sharing such Sensitive Information over a dating applications you know who youre reaching out to and and yet perhaps sensitive images and messages over dating apps and lets say a Chinese Company or a chinese firm has access to that information that can be very sensitive to the individual new very targeted way you know lets say that for instance i was using these kinds of apps and sharing sensitive messages messages over dating apps. In that case i could be targeted individually but the kind of harm that were talking about in the case of tiktaalik is quite different certainly this targeted individual harm can arise but there is a there is also a broader. Democratic harm when one company kind of controls lots of information and it may well be associated with a government that is on its face adversarial with the Current Us Administration ok most of our focus and most of the media focuses around a take talk but when chatter is also pots of how heated told so talk us through why that is significant. Well you know i think i think many many experts have been suggesting that we chat is. Even more critical component to the to the Global Economy than tic toc is and i think there is theres a lot of. Theres a lot of reasons why you could try to suggest that which is in particular that you know china has this ban on many of the services that we that we can use a lot around the globe including facebook and google we chat is one of one of the few that that is originating from china and which enables communication from china to to other people around to people or you know other countries around the world thus enabling a lot of Economic Activity you know payments connected certainly social connections and Media Consumption and so on and so forth and i think thats in part the reason why people are suggesting many people are suggesting that we chat we chat and its more significant more substantial than the tick tock and because to talk is quote unquote just social media we chat is really very much in a lot of ways the more holistic internet experience including commerce in china and connects china with the rest of the world in many ways thats thats very clear. Going back to take it does look as though. The the u. S. Partner. That it will go with this is oracle. However ticked off will still be owned by by dallas and the source code will still be owned by by dogs that the Chinese Company so i dont understand why thats going to be more acceptable to the u. S. Government because that data pipeline if i can put it that way its still going to be there is that. Absolutely and thats exactly why i think the Trump Administration has come forward with this preliminary judgment that the deal as it stands cannot go through i think it is worried that its worried about this 20 percent number. Percent ownership by oracle and exactly the implications that youre drawing now that well if its the source code and if the Data Infrastructure behind. And by dent still has full purview ownership over that full rights to that intellectual property then nothing nothing technically will have changed from a National Security perspective for the United States and the Trump Administration at least on its face is on floor with this judgment. On that pretty ok so what weve got from you is that this the the argument about it being a threat to the u. S. National security has some merit but people are looking at this and presuming the base is really about continuing to put pressure on china in this continuing spot does does that have merit that argument. Absolutely i think you know i think we would we would be leaving a lot on the table if we ignored the potential that. Some of the most powerful leaders in Silicon Valley could well be pushing the trumpet ministration to enforce this ban or at least talk about this ban in a way that it damages the potential to or Companies Like we chat and to talk to have an impact in the u. S. Economy and u. S. Digital economy more specifically you know. I think i think it its worth mentioning that facebook and google have attempted to enter china and have been banned from china. And and have certainly tried to claim the Chinese Market in social media and search and other Consumer Internet markets have failed because of because of the Chinese Governments right ascension and i just i was want to pick up on that point about that facebook and google way it would have with had to talk to general manager in the u. S. Ive been asked that a pop asked tweeting today and she said this type of bad would be bad for the industry and she invited facebook and instagram to join the talks challenge this is a moment she says to put aside the competition and focus on Core Principles like freedom of expression so can you see them getting involved in this fight with the u. S. Government. Then being. Lets say a fish spoken tick tock you know i i think in fact vanessa was replying to a facebook exe. So you know this ban is bad we you know we should be we facebook believe that or at least i as an executive at facebook believe that this is this is something that should not happen and the u. S. Government should overturn. And vanessa said well why dont you join our trade association why dont you want to push the u. S. Government. In this more more directly than just making a statement on twitter and i think that really highlights the competitive aspect here that a lot of this is about about show or for facebook where on one side perhaps you know its ok the companies are ok with suggesting that you know we need free speech we cant have these kind of blocks. While on the other hand you know it its very much in favor of this band to the extent that china continues to block it. From its own interest thats very clear thank you so much for talking us through that they pad goetia from the Harvard Kennedy school. Pressure israel which. Country celebrates the jewish new year its the only way to slow. Infections but its fear the new restrictions will devastate an economy that went into recession because of the 1st. Day in jerusalem shortly before festivities get underway its. The jewish new year but the streets are empty. The country 2nd lockdown has just begun and despite the Festive Season visits to relatives in other neighborhoods are banned israel has been registering around 6000 new covered cases a day in a country of 9000000 people thats a lot and it gives it one of the highest rates of infection in the world according to the Prime MinisterHealth Care Officials have declared code red. In the last 2 days with witnessed another alarming increase in morbidity and continued increase in the number of critically ill patients. Mine is the made in light at the mortality rate and as many of the experts have recommended we may have no choice but to tighten the guidelines well. Many accuse netanyahu of ending the 1st lockdown to worley and in doing so setting up a 2nd wave of infections the crisis has hit the economy including Small Businesses across the country hard. It will hurt us because businesses continue to pay full rent no 1. 00 helps us with the extra expenses and the workers are home to 3 weeks of closure will be very significant for us but thats what they and you know they must i dont know if this closure will help or not we will know the results only after its over but if theres no change in the behavior of people then it isnt worth it this lockdown is currently expected to last for 3 weeks meaning it will affect a number of major holidays thousands of Police Officers are being deployed to enforce the measures and Prime Minister netanyahu has already said that if the situation worsens even tougher restrictions could be imposed. D. W. Correspondent joins us from jerusalem welcome how does the atmosphere at the start of this jewish new year compare with what you experience. Well i think it was a very quiet evening the lockdown started at 2 pm local time here in the afternoon and then you could see some people sort of coming back from shopping people are allowed to venture out about a kilometer from home and of course to go out to buy basic supplies its usually an evening for jewish israelis you know to come together families and friends to celebrate this evening together over dinner with very special plessy things as some people are reminded really of the 1st lockdown because then there was also a holiday the holiday of passover. When people also couldnt really come together more than you know in a in a smaller group. Of friends and some people told me no im not going to see my grandmother or my grandfather because you want to protect them as as have said defiantly you know i want to see friends and of course also for more religious people conservative people prayers will be more restricted gatherings are restricted in the open to 20 people and of course also in synagogues there special restrictions in place so that people. Can practice social distancing but despite israel having one of the highest covered 19 infection rates in the world new lockdown is proving to be unpopular. Well absolutely i mean i think people do have mixed feelings about this because on the one hand theres a lot of anger and frustration that it had come to this you know mainly at the Decision Making process as well all along the way people are saying maybe theres something should have been done earlier so to avoid a nationwide locked on but at the same time people are aware of course of the serious situation caseload of. 1000 patients is rising especially also in serious cases you know infection rates have been going up sharply in the past couple of weeks and people do know that measures have to be taken but they might not be happy about how they were taken what makes the situation all the more remarkable is that israel has gone from being one of the 1st and most successful countries to control the pandemic to the current high levels of infection what went wrong. Yeah absolutely im that has been discussed here also very much and i mean its not just one factor you have to look at i mean experts can mainly agree on that basically on one thing that there was no proper exit strategy the country went into lockdown in march and april and then you know cases went down the infection rate went down and then the economy it was quickly opened up there was a lot of focus on that because it was very very difficult for many people Unemployment Rate went up very sharply and at the time the israeli Prime MinisterBinyamin Netanyahu said to people now go out and support the local economy also schools were open very quickly and this is where the 1st classes the 1st cases then reappeared also missing was a really functioning track and tracing. Program that didnt work too well as well as also then the new government a lot of people as perceived as government as not functioning very well that there are a lot of political interests as well when decisions are being taken for example the corner task force suggested like a traffic light system that cities and neighborhoods which where with high infections would be classified as ragin would have to be put under local lockdown this didnt work there was a lot of pushback from mainly the religious communities so at the end you know they could only agree on a nighttime curfew and it was basically not enough. Jerusalem sank you. It was the Opening Night for the bundesliga season here in germany with the reigning champions by munich hosting shall come but it was an unusually low key affair and found city of the 2 sides on a last minute decision to keep the stadium empty because of rising Coronavirus Infections in munich despite the lack of an audience the bavarians put on i mean present show if hes in shock at 8. Upcoming games this weekend expecting to welcome some fans into step. In the talk through the bundesliga result with mackinnon from date of the sport welcomed kyle whose decision was it to exclude fans from tonights game it was not the teams it was not the leagues it was not the federal government in berlin it was in fact local governments it was the burgermeister the of mayor the mayor of munich who came out and along with Health Officials came out and said we are going to halt this concept of bringing 7500 fans into 875000 fan seat stadium and he cited certain magic numbers that had been surpassed as far as the coronavirus was concerned and that prevented as far as he was concerned bringing those fans into the stands ok so but fans will be allowed for other games they will so far tomorrow saturday and sunday they will be allowed into 8 of the remaining 8 stadia that will be used only by and so far has said no. As far as munich is concerned the other fans are the other stadia have not the regions have not surpassed this magic number which was sort of brought together by the 16 regional governments and the federal government they decided that per 100000 regional inhabitants once you cross 35. 00 infections once you cross that number then. You probably shouldnt have state people in the stadium but byron for example in munich they had crossed into 47 from us if you will so far is the intriguing thing here isnt it because you can you can make these arrangements and where were all going to turn out we buy tickets and everything but then if the magic number is passed on its a lot well thats the theory thats the thats the red line allegedly but well see what sort of pressure is applied if they had 36 rather than 35 i mean it was easy you know in munich for 47 for example the bonus league was the 1st major league to restart during the pandemic and now they will be the 1st to have fans back so im guessing the rest of the world who will be watching this quite play were watching very closely back in may when its a restarted there will continue to be watching as we restart the season as they start the new season the n. F. L. The National Football league in the u. S. Has welcomed some fans into some stadia there so thats already started and the bonus league is watching there as to what they do just like the n. F. L. Is watching over at the bundles league it will be a more significant number of stadia all the stadia are are due to open basically to fans and how damaging has. The loss of gate receipts been a pretty big deal millions to some big big clubs they say theyre losing millions every every time around but i would say t. V. Revenues are more important thats where the money is like i think especially was and was inclined to get going as soon as they could without fans in the stadium its just kind of amazing to see this said canaveral by the way had to have 3 goals tonight so it was it was a it was an interesting game to watch from their side of point of view but so what is it with you that all know right now that how often is reacting to this well they are thrilled to have the chance side of munich to get back into the stadia and its interesting the temperament there were some friendly games that were played in berlin for example is a is a wonderfully good team that had a friendly match but in 5000 socially distance it was pretty interesting. Watch how careful everyone was but at another game in dresden they you know there are people ripping off the masks and social distancing one of the window and you know what will happen here i think the Robert Koch Institute which you will know is the Johns Hopkins of germany and keeping close track of these things they must have thought this was all crazy to put state put fans back in the system in 15 seconds having won i know they are likely to win the league again and they are a dominant team they are likely to win the bundesliga they have a very good chance of creating a dynasty in fact and and take in the Champions League again if they if they if things go right comicon i think just to thank you so much for. Ah that was a that if i was ever the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter at the w. News of the day. The fun. Thing. To the point strong opinions clear positions International Perspective such. Things are getting increasingly strange between the e. U. 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People lines of communication open keep trading and change will come for decades and that was the mantra in relations between europe and china that softly softly approach is being replaced by a twinge of political cultures in the midst of the corona pandemic beijing has been snapping up floundering European Companies clamping down on democracy in hong kong and imposing Surveillance Systems on its own citizens europe and china are apparently drifting further apart while the u. S. And beijing fight out of b