Fights these days and where are they leaving. Dr wang who go welcome to conflict zone thank you europes getting fed up with beijings threatening behavior and telling politicians here where they can go and who they can talk to telling the Nobel Prize Committee who it can award and who it cant what made your government think it could push europe around like this what the 1st time for you to hear that but i dont think that that was the governments position or there could be a misunderstanding or. You know there was a maybe theres a lot of communication whatever. I heard from you i dont hear anything from that. Here in china i dont think so well perhaps you dont hear about it in china but just days ago. The german in foreign minister hiker mass told beijing bluntly to stop threatening europe after a senior czech politician has gone to taiwan and addressed its parliament your government had warned hed pay a heavy price for his visit there thats bullying isnt it no i dont think that it was really probably understood in a rug i think that you know one china policy has been. Hold and has been really maintained for the last. 4050 years and also its a basis of china establish diplomatic ties with all the countries that have is if america relation with china so so i think country publish should. Really safeguard is one china policy and not having those official high level visit so i think its a i can stand china is not happy and you know the they may be the speaker and maybe reflect that. Satisfaction so so i hope that. This is not it will be interpreted. As a china spread or anything so so that is poverty a different operations what dont you want you may not like western politicians visiting taiwan or chinese nationals being awarded nobel prizes but thats your problem isnt it i mean these repeated attempts to impose your own prejudices and insecurities onto the International Community and clearly doing you any good a tour you its counterproductive wow i think that probably a country has set up a diplomatic and ties with china im sure they go through the theyve gone through the diplomatic establish in relation talks and they have actually already. Paid by certain principles and the guidance so if they recognise one china. And then that one china policy does not. You know also reflect the official contact between the other country and taiwan and that should really be respected i think so if certain countries doing that china certainly has a right to. You know express their opinions as well i think that china just expressed its satisfaction and its all opinion i think that should not be interpreted any more than that well if you intended a strong reaction if you intended a strong reaction from the European Union you got it because its Foreign Policy chief you dont have burrell code china your government expansionist or authoritarian and the new empire that undermines International Law did you really want to pick a fight with your largest export market one thing that chinas picking a fight always with china largest market and no i mean its probably both market for both those regions as well and as i said you know there are certain. Guidelines and principles 11. 00 country is that is a diplomatic ties and the recognize one china policy and national. Wire lated or bridged and if that is happen china certainly have a right to protest and the give. In the dissatisfaction and those so his comment i think thats thats fair fair you know thats not expansionist but youre just too sensitive about free speech and free contacts because you dont exactly have a lot of it in china yourself do you know as well nongovernment think we dont understand a lot of. Probably the government policy so we speak from nongovernment private think time. One of you but you are our government advisor who we are listed on your own Facebook Page as a government advisor you advise the government that we have would do otherwise i think that does does of vices too of course. But the we are not the government we have not got the officials we advise in think time does otherwise people of course but when our government so so im not a Government Spokesperson so so so if i knew if i think im standing i can explain but some i dont know i so i i cannot satisfy you of course so you are you telling me you are surprised that the kind of language that china uses these days when its dealing with the west and dealing with other countries i mean we have big wigs on pows like you embassy in venezuela told those who talked about the china virus they told them to put on a face mask and shut up is that the kind of diplomatic language you think is a good idea for china to use these days well the situation youve been describing some of them havent i havent heard before but. I think that maybe there is a contest or there or is there is china is also under a lot of attacks and. So i think we should really have a dialogue we should have a company occasion visiting i suddenly think that this pandemic has stopped. People to people exchanges and to stop the many visit and also many exchanges. Between china and our cyber war so thats very unfortunate and i hope that. We should overcome that one and that because under control i think the government is doing its best and also we see that our visions of visiting some countries to conduct exchanges of dialogue which is a great i mean we did that your foreign minister came to europe and he warned again last month about the consequences of giving awards to hong kongs prodemocracy movement if you will. I mean about coercive diplomacy from washington and you are then you try practicing the same coercive diplomacy on europe thats hypocrisy isnt it i think there could be some misunderstanding i think on the issue of hong kong certainly i think that. The Hong Kong Young people have some legitimate concern of the widening. Gap between rich and poor and things like that so i think the Chinese Government has realized that they launched this great project so there are many policies issued so the young people can come to you know a great paying ground an area to to have work to have a study to to settle down there so the sort of money issues has been has been noted in addressing that but on the other hand i dont think we need a chaotic hong kong where airport is blocked and. Bystander will put on a gasolines and thats that his counsel was stalled and smashed. Shop in the eyes from someone you know holding us back what do you expect when china has been whittling away at the territories freedoms for some time now weve seen a crackdown on the people who led protests in 2014 we saw booksellers kidnapped and turning up strangely on the mainland because you didnt like the books that they were selling and now this new security law which is being condemned by many countries around the world as well as un human rights experts fact is this new law violates post a letter and the spirit of the basic law in hong kong and it was brought to you without any consultation so beijing now rules what i think the hong kong that is why that is why people are upset in hong kong. Why i cant stand the situation but i think the hong kong also need stability and also. Order and the law of course and Central Government of course according to the basic law they have the right for defense the policy and security of all countries has a security law and china is no exception so i think that you can see now the hong home the stock market is back and that they are now prepared for the largest i. P. O. In the war on investment are back to hong kong and. Its got in business is back to normal gradually so i think that people will understand in the long run its going to be really good for hong kong if we have these. Peace and the prosperity and security return back to china or to hong kong of course but of course. Theres always people more objectives once more accomplished more but it takes time gradually one british ruled hong kong 400 years the never give them any democracy so you can expect that. Were so with china of course but i think you know the times are lying when you havent you have you know given hong kong stability with this new security law you simply imposed a dictatorship and a police state the u. N. Human rights experts whove just written to your government arent buying the stability argument what worries them in their words is that cut tel moment of freedoms of expression Peaceful Assembly and association and the interference with the ability of Civil Society organizations to perform their more full function and weve already seen that happening havent we you talk about stability being coming back to hong kong and Healthy Markets since the new law came in dozens of key prodemocracy figures have been detained including 2 lawmakers thats not the thats not stability thats a police state that youve imposed what youre sort of the has your interpretations but i think that. Basically you know you havent what happened in the u. S. You know you can present trouble than our law or any violence or any vandal asians or disorder so so the of course john is not perfect. You know theres no. Perfect policy but you know probably china was forced to because you know china has to maintain stability and the law and order there and so that all the Multinationals Companies can come back as not running away stock market cant can be rebuilt and confidence can return the largest i. P. O. In the world can happen so so nothings perfect of course but this is not this is not a way that is this is a long way from perfect dr wang isnt it i mean weve seen police already dont know that but i have in the us weve seen people east reading were not talking about the u. S. Were talking about hong kong here and beijings actually. And weve seen that on the mental freedoms turned into crimes by this new security law which youve introduced and the rest of the world did you think they wouldnt notice we had a joint Statement Last month from the governments of australia canada new zealand u. K. Us saying the law was eroding hong kongs people hong kongs fundamental rights and liberties and you your answer to that is well nothings perfect but the markets are doing well what im saying is that hong kong as. A part of china as one country to assist you know they did that also its one country one system now isnt it and. Well let me let me finish something you can keep interrupting me what im saying is that honk on the stability and of course. Law as well because hong kong cannot be for the last 6789 months i mean there in the last year hong kong is basically dysfunctional and paralyzed and been airport abroad. People were put on the all you have to burn you know on bystanders and a lot of covers stop no country in the world with allow that and theres no people would have loved france hermie that they dont feel secure in hong kong anymore to do something illegal than that doing something did you think down to one the people of hong kong would simply sit by and watch their freedoms erode and being eroded by beijing and not do anything about it. If you really think that then one you miscalculated bad all i think that. You know that you have suddenly people you hang on. You know have a different opinions of course that is that is obvious by the but also you have to really think that one is the new national security. Staff theres almost 3000000. 00 you know voted. In favor of this law so so that is that is also a fact that we should not exact but the but let let the time speak for itself let the market speaks for itself lets let the peoples final acceptance for its the 1st of i think we should than you know theres only. 2 or 3 months from this low but lets take a longer view as you say we can see the long in fact what we see on the longer view weve already seen what that long view is going to look like because i pointed out youve dozens of prodemocracy figures have been detained not only that but police have raided the offices of apple daily one of the few news outlets that beijing doesnt control the papers found jimmy lai was arrested together with 8 of the men he was later released on bail but the damage has already been done freedoms been torn up the basic law is being torn up and and youre having your new security you know superimposed on top of it so we can see which way it is going and people dont like that and if you think the rest of the world is going to sit by and just praise the markets you seem to have miscalculated dont you because thats not the attitude of the rest of the world what i think that is that im damaged chinas ramsi very well that there was there was the there is no Perfect Solutions that definitely i think that. The parities of them intended law and order and also the security i think after all hong kong. You know where were having no huge casualties or life being lost in hong kong even the what is whole your demonstration of violence going on so i think the governor was required to quiet. Reserved on that and what we see are the the u. S. Army where they have acquired a number of casualties already so so i think we have to really take into consideration that this is one country 2 systems a new new system nobody does it before nobody has done it before its always have a lot of. You know trial and you know touching the stone cause in the river. So so we have to you know i mean improving this process but i think my problem in the process you by and by responding back to order yeah you are proving the process by arresting prodemocracy figures trust in china as i mentioned a little while ago its plummeting despite whats seen as your growing influence a survey by the Bertelsmann Foundation showed that in the 4 months up to may this year negative views of china have increased in several countries by double digits a clear majority now in the us fronts and germany now have adverse views about chinas rise the highest figure being 61 percent in germany did you want your country to be so unpopular around the world i think that thats a problem of the perception of china all sides china is negative and this guy didnt get in in a more negative now but i think. On the part of both china and also our war i think we really need to increase the communication for example china is doing for quite well on all those k. P. Life in terms of if you measure the countries trying to become the 2nd largest economy in 4 decades china embrace the globalization china is the largest trade in asia was 130 countries you have a country and china and china is not one cent of china g. D. P. Gross and china china is also lifting 800000000 people out of property cutting 70 percent of the. War Poverty Level so they have a contribution in almost a total war but i think you know we need to really explain the well and then probably we need to have a better. Look at china because i think also on the world you know the west economy either be more tolerant of china if the chinese do well you know like there is obvious server doesnt matter its all white cat black cat as long as catch my eyes with a contribution to the 31 3rd of the world g. D. P. Gross you know never become a. Conqueror any. Continent or countries or sending troops to other countries or fighting you know thats what i want done to when usually example call for more tolerable example for example for my last dollar thats the french that i know yeah but the but also you know the ones where our 1. 70 weakest locked up in riyadh socalled reeducation camps tolerance of persecution of christians is that the kind of tolerance that youre looking for from the outside no i dont i dont i dont i dont i dont think you interpret that right i think the tolerant china that theyre from Development Model have a different path of a different system because we you know it was say or china didnt come virgin the china cant be you know we need them all a diversity of this world we cant just run fresh and were not talking about going verging on diverging the world is complaining about your human rights record continually and the locking up the incarceration of a 1000000 weak is engine jang province this is what theyre complaining about i think because of this is never you know as far as. As far as i can see theres theres no hard evidence or proof. But theyd have to say that i mean there is us time will start on its been published around the world and chinese instructions to the people who stuff these incarceration counts its been printed no matter where its my published no i dont. Read the well i mean theres a theres a theres a white paper published by the Chinese Government they were saying all the people in there is. In our school has been graduated already and you know and also to prevent you know you know 510 years ago there was a plague by the terrorists attacks all band of hundreds of 1000 lives were lost dr wang perhaps youd agree that one of the main causes of the rest of the world losing trust in china was your handling of the corona Virus Outbreak in wu han at the beginning of the year and the shocking way in which local officials in will hand tried to silence the one doctor who sounded the alarm i wonder what it says about your society that when officials of the communist party are faced with bad news their 1st response is to try to cover it up that tactic lost both you and the rest of the world valuable time in dealing with this pandemic in the. And youre a suit of all a very negative question but but what i tried as is that i think that you know. When they 1st discovered what han. Chinese authority has the report that to the average joe has a report out of the United States and all the other countries of course the doctors that who was of find the disease at the very beginning but but you know this is a disease never never happened in the history of mankind nobody knows about that and then you should not send a false alarm as well you should really be proven and tested and theyre also very 5 by x. Per hour that is really a badly lethal disease and if that is actually was that they reach that point where they come to the conclusion they are in the middle of a shutdown 10000000. 00 people city they immediately shut down 6 the bill in the hope they promised they actually you know have that china now its doing the best theres no single case of current locally on a daily basis for the last a month or 2 so so in general when its done right well im not trying hard i know youre ignore the fact that dr lee when youn lee went down when he 1st talked about the emergence of a viral outbreak he was coded into the police to the Public Security bureau accused of making false statement didnt severely disturb the social order and he was and it a letter which read we solemnly warn you if you keep being stubborn with such impertinence and continue this illegal activity youll be brought to justice do you understand he had to write i do underneath no no im saying that youre right youre right you know this is what happened this is what happened it was a cover up that not only right right its also cover up goes right through our system doesnt it. You have your interpretations but of what i see is actually you know the officer who who talked to. The un the un has been sacked has been punished and though theres a number of officials the in the Party Secretary has been residing at the hospital ship has resigned theres a theres a number of cases has been handled the by the local government i think there could be local officials somewhere that didnt want to tell the bad news maybe about we had some initial pressures but but later on i think one the got to realize this is a deadly disease they were just no time to do you should the warriors the lock down the cities which is never done so you know history of mankind to have a 60000000000 province locked down for its 2 story months so they pay the price they they have also experiment. Ways of how to account come pain and account come back this disease quarantine the social distance you know and massive testing and you know they experiment all those methodology and that is widely practiced internationally so so i think china should give some credit for 45 years but given that we havent given that they havent they hadnt been going up for a given the initial cover ups and you have a u. S. Intelligence report in june saying that even a senior politicians in beijing were scrambling to get accurate data from officials local officials they themselves still played a role in obscuring the outbreak by keeping information back from the World Health Organization so i ask you will we ever discover the real truth about what beijing knew and when it knew it well we have a discover that while we we have to think that level we dont know all the details but what weve seen you know from from all and go from the same time point a lot of these you know you know the casing. Is only a very initial i mean probably a week or 2 they were a little be done you know find the real cause of the disease and then we really had to make a right announcement to the world at the beginning nobody was know this is that lay this is going to be the pandemic this is going to those swept the world nobody knows about that so so they have to be careful in the. Claiming. That there are these is so so i think that the beginning theres a little little pays attention to the little. Contemplating understand that but once they have all the doctors have. To prove that this is a bad business there was no time to lock down the whole city. All the flies or id get all the things the right things or also so that i mean. Everythings perfect dr wang we out we run out of the time thank you very much for being on conflict so thank you ok thank. You can google. To go to go. To google. Thanks. For all the over. Beethoven is for me. Is for you. Beethoven is for help. Beethoven is for her. 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