Different this virus seems to actually enjoy the Summer Season is the 2nd wave perhaps closer than we think. Every 2 meters sunbathing and social distancing the beaches in Southern Spain are given covered 19 in fiction earlier this slimmest of chances. Catalonia is Something Else young spaniards party on the beach now theyre faced with fines of up to 15000 euros. Today they just are a party is not a party its an act of in solidarity if youre not giving. Those who get infected out partying will carry the virus home to their families its Common Knowledge spain has been one of europes hardest hit countries in the corona pandemic it took months for the country to bring the virus under control and now its on the rise again out i mean money spent the most right now in spain we have a higher incidence than 3 or 4 weeks ago thats clear it cannot be hidden because all the data is given with all possible transparency. Now many European Countries are warning against taking holidays in Northern Spain in the u. K. People returning from spain are forced to go into 2 weeks quarantine we can see that theres a 2nd wave thats coming across europe and parts of europe where we can see the number of cases rising sharply we want to prevent that from happening here and so were prepared to take action sometimes quite quickly as we had to sadly with people who are in spain in terms of quarantine in france to anxiety over a 2nd wave is rising infection numbers are on the way up here too though not as sharply as in spain the government is concerned nonetheless. Around us in catalonia 10 days ago you would have said that there was not going to be a 2nd wave but now cuts alone years in difficulty and this is also the case for certain english towns its the case in belgium and in germany in certain german territories so we see that theres a virus emergency that must be avoided at all costs so we dont end up with a new pandemic one of europes new virus hotspots the belgian city of and in the last few days more than 500 new infections have been detected authorities have now introduced a curfew between 1130 at night and 6 oclock in the morning if numbers continue to rise the city will go into lockdown and free up is doing everything it can to stop the 2nd wave. And for more im joined by to b. S. Quote he is professor of Public Health and epidemiology and is the director of the institute of Public Health at the sheraton hospital here in berlin good to have you with us as a clearly case numbers are rising again is this already the much talked about 2nd wave. Its correct of the numbers are rising over the last couple of days whether this is the start of the socalled 2nd wave is unclear could be but we can also hope that the numbers are declining over the next those so its a little bit too early to talk about a 2nd wave or its good to hear an epidemiologist mentioning the word hope we all of those really hope that things are Getting Better but when we talk about this 2nd waif what exactly is it how do you define a 2nd wave. Well i think theres no clear definition of the way its a pretty much hue see you wave when you plot the rates of infection over time so clearly there was a 1st away from the numbers were declining as the larger numbers are rising again whether this is then in the end the wave can only be seen retrospectively so when we look back we see that there was a 2nd wave and its always difficult in the beginning to to say whether this is the start of a 2nd wave who or if the numbers are actually going down again in the next days of course i mean weve had pandemics before there are studies and there were studies made also about like the spanish flu there is a fairly recent study the socalled sea drop report and that has hypothesized 3 possible scenarios for 2nd wave we see here the 1st one peaks and valleys after the 1st spike theres a series of smaller recurring waves every few months for the next couple of years the 2nd scenario is called fall peak so theres a fall during the Summer Season but 1000. 00 would then come back with a vengeance in autumn and winter with smaller spikes continuing well into 2021 and finally the 3rd scenario is called slow burn so there would be no 2nd wave and even though the virus is still here it could be kept under control i think i like the 3rd scenario best but obviously i can choose from what we know and from what we observe which one of these is the most likely scenario for covert 19. What one has to understand is these are all hypothetical scenarios and if you go back in february and march when these projection models have been proposed 1st many of those were incorrect so now we have several scenarios that are plausible but which one is the most likely is difficult to say i also hope for the 3rd one obviously there are we all to control the spread of the virus and the rate of infection but its very difficult to say and also if we do have medication or vaccination available that will certainly also change the development of these curves important is that we are prepared for each of these scenarios so that we have a plan and what if one of these scenarios appears to be. The most likely one and thats something we have to judge daily. With 19 pandemic is a very dynamic situation so its very difficult to say which one of these is right and we all can help to achieve that the 3rd one is the most likely scenario it could be a 4th or 5th scenario exhaust close to has been surprising in many ways before so could there be something completely different happening yes there could be something completely different happening and that we dont expect and several things have been completely new so well youre right we have pandemic before about each pandemic has their speciality so to say and so yes there could be something completely different are right about that lets hope that well be prepared for for whatever comes along professor to be escorted from a bill in sheri take thank you so much for your time and your expertise and to stay healthy thank you for having me. Well time for more of your questions now and its over to our science correspondent williams. Could immunosuppressive measures help prevent serious cases from becoming critical. Many of the deaths caused by code 19 are due directly to the infection but instead to to an immune response that goes berserk and starts also attacking the bodys healthy tissues since the start of this pandemic doctors have gotten a lot better at treating that aspect of the disease but physicians have to walk a tight rope when it comes to suppressing the immune system if they do it too early the virus has the opportunity to retrench if they do it too late it could be too late to save the patients life thats why for example the immunosuppressant dexa meant his own is helping people survive and late stage critical disease but is not recommended for less severe cases because in them they can do more harm than good a new study has indicated that a yardstick for measuring when to administer dex im at the zone or other immunosuppressant drugs might be levels of a certain protein thats produced in the liver in response to inflammation but those findings still have yet to be confirmed. What about cambodias research on mosquito saliva could it help against kobe one thing. I have to admit that i decided answer this question just because it caught my eye i thought could researchers really be looking into miskito spit in connection with covert 19 well not directly but we live in an age of pandemics so. Its its really still pertinent to talk about it if we want to look down the road to the next potentially dangerous pathogen which which im like sars co 2 might easily be transmitted by mosquitoes like the like the zico virus was for example it turns out the saliva that a mosquito injects when it bites you doesnt just have. A fact and it doesnt just contain an anti clotting agent that keeps the blood flowing and and transmitting pathogen straight to your bloodstream that saliva also seems to give those pathogens a helping hand in sneaking past your immune system in an early critical phase of the infection so so what the work in cambodia is looking at is using proteins found in the insect saliva to create a kind of universal vaccine against all of the diseases carried by mosquitoes because your immune system would react fast when it detects mosquitoes that its super super Interesting Research and the early results look promising but that might help one day against a disease thats transmitted this way a lot like this week about us i dont see it having any direct benefit in covert 900 research. 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