God reconcile its very different activities. We welcome to conflicts around welcome to you thank you good morning 8 and 9 months oh of mass demonstrations against the political elite you included and nothing is changing where are the reforms that have been promised so many times in lebanon well this is a long story actually when you want to talk about the reforms and lebanon when you want to talk about the reforms in lebanon you have to talk about the elements of the system we have been plagued by the most like of ailments and political diseases of my say and this is a long way to go actually it has to do with the confessional system it has to do with the economy that we follow. It does not necessarily belong to the benefits of the people thats why were going to continue to have this vicious cycle as long as we continue to stick to the same system that when you hear it was something i continue to do the same think you cannot expect our very young to result you know you better some responsibility for this is 100 because your party your movement you were king makers in the design of this socalled latest government of technocrats you also have seats in the cabinet so i ask where are the reforms why arent you pushing for them you blame the system im asking looking about some ways of having you in government if you dont bring it out of the ailments im talking im talking about the ailments of the system that has been going on going on for so many years i mean for decades now we have we reached we should be held responsible for what happened every about these are responsible for those who were in the government we are part of the government we dont deny what responsibility we have to embrace our full responsibility in this we were there to take part in that a small responsibility but the still when you talk about the kind of reforms that we want to do they should be structural we are one component of the mosaic of components of course the u. S. Is in the Lebanese Society we take our share of others has to take their responsibilities and they should be blamed for what they did here where there is a sense of urgency now mr mousawi is that theres a sense of great urgency now because of last week last week a Financial Advisor working with the government in talks with the i. M. F. He resigned saying there was no sign of noble of reform and he wouldnt go along with attempts to dismiss the size of losses in the Financial System as he said which means he wasnt prepared to lie about the state of affairs hes hungry shallow now former advisor to the finance ministry and he said ive come to the realize ation there is no genuine will to implement either reforms or a structuring of the bad. Why is there no will to reform you talk to me about all the problem if he says theres no will to do it youre not going to address them in the future as you did in the process weve been pushing hard weve been pushing and doing a lot of the show youre in pushing the government to do actual Structural Reforms and whats happening i tell you yes that is a kind of. Diagnosing the problem that our differences in the numbers and the estimates of the loss of the loss thats taking place in the financial in the economy level but the still do tell you that we are part of this government no will be part of other governments before and we need to take a lot of sponsibility in this and be doing this about the tell you the truth weve been engaged in fighting with a few groups along the border lion in the east of lebanon and weve been engaged also in fighting the israeli incursions and aggressions and. Nevada looking for any israeli incursions for a very long time have been there havent been any israeli incursions so no no. So if you had been if you had been in parliament living in the consequences weve been weve been weve been fighting the continuous israeli incursions and. They have been a scary thing there are the elections for our sovereignty and on the ground even in c. They are trying to blackmail lebanon for its share in the oil that we have reservoirs avoid in the sea so youre talking about a lot of threats that i think you could threats from the israeli side under the wind up of islam is the mossad way im talking about Something Like this im talking about the fact that you were in Parliament Since 1992 has been a law in government since 2005 you will be enormous influence in lebanon and youve watched the growing economic collapse and the corruption why why the corruption is getting worse transparency internationals report last year showed 68 percent thought corruption had increased in the previous 12 months perhaps more shockingly 65 percent said theyd use you know personal connections when dealing with the courts of justice so your courts are now rotten youve been in government a very long time and you havent managed to change anything you say you take your responsibility but theres a sense of urgency now and nothing is getting done no this is this is. Ok ok this is something that should be addressed we are part of the government of this is a question that should be addressed to the whole government youre talking about a country youre talking about a state that has 17 sects you are talking about more than dozens of Political Parties we are part of this parties weve been busy doing other very important this that theres huge things against existential threats from the israelis and the fact that it is others were heavily engaged inside the bodies politics you know before the city and with a lot of from lebanon in 2005 the old governments were not part of the governments and this kind of system has been going going on for decades so you voice fires that have much if you hold fire over the government yes yes yes. Look what you want youre going to decontextualized what happened we would imo be the 1st to have the thought of fighting the corruption we can we said that good option is that a pretty good at the list we fight the genuinely we are going to reach where we reach now the collapse of the lebanese it going to make system yeah you talk about a lot about your generation you talk a lot about corruption but nothing gets done. You know in November Haasan those are all you know you dont quote dont let the nazis out just when he called on lebanese judges investigating corruption exact again with hezbollah he said if theres a case related to any person and hezbollah go ahead start with us if you dont be scared really is that a genuine offer of yours is this then you and this tells you of the very straightforward this tells you that you are a straight forward on the transparent and very genuine and bracing the issue we want it doesnt have 2000 and tell anything of the saudis in plain english i mean it doesnt it doesnt say that god doesnt say that about were talking about. Their were talking about judicial system were talking about the system that we want to reform you know the only thing that you can do is to bring beautifies to the judiciary in order to follow of the cases we have the problem in the dictionary we have a problem in the do the dishes the system of the problem of the political system a problem and it couldnt go to make system we cannot simply hold someone but the responsible for what happened we think i want to share it and we are trying to join forces with others in order to find this good option you tell me this going this time lets dismiss the most out way your got a lot of because we need to have the most out we have sometimes rather so i added additional benefits and i will point it out as i pointed out has an as alice said start with us if theres anybody in hezbollah start with us you think people have a thought with us but you dont think people have thought often what happened in 2008 when the government tried to remove your corrupt airport officials and closed down its illegal Communication System what did you do you see east parts of beirut by force and you brought them to a virtual standstill the fact is youre just the same now as you were then show you might throw a few minor officials under the bus of but the top officials involved in corruption know never going to deal with them are you a political enough to know this is not the true actually im sorry to tell you that you have this information i dont know who told you this the officer was in the report it was not the. A person wed have never supported and you could have a person of the other 2011 say the fellas is stuck with us if we go up we did not go love we did not fight on with the nazis bed with as you said because of the supporting corrupted people we did thus because we with the funding a lot of distance because a very dangerous decision has been taken in order to cut of the then a communication of the resistance and you know when you fight an enemy like the israeli enemy was supremacy and there arent any communication you have to have your own channel to fight this enemy all right mr masel enough supporting corruption and that sudden you use this actually lets lets talk about why you dont massive street protests that weve seen in lebanon in recent months one moment you seem to be listening to them then you claimed with no evidence that they were being exploited by the u. S. And israel and then last october you said you were thugs to beat up the demonstrators because they dared to criticize your leader thats a little enough. Im not im certain im sort of i dont know you like the im not i dont know that he was sure that we send our people do you have the proof it was widely reported at the time and we were i guess that in october and december widely you know the media show up you want in the media im in the media this is a mis information there we dont make it out i can tell you i live mr mousawi i get up i live here i tell you. I tell you do it we are not part of those who suppress the people and we are with the masses we are with those who are the ones that i think we want to protect them we have the same issue actually we consider mr mousavi in december your supporters attacked an antigovernment protest camp in central beirut and the army had to be called in to disperse the groups around the same time you and your allies from amal targeted other antigovernment protest camps in different parts of lebanon so much for listening to the demonstrators and heeding their the months you beat them up. I can simply say this is not the true actually if this genuinely was rationed by the people we were very happy to see that people came down to the streets in order to protest against all the corruption against whats happening we supported them and i can i was part of this kind of the plot i see this kind of negotiations this kind of discussions with them our people and some of our people went and they were they took part in these demonstrations and the end of this is the most the nation the ultimate goal that they want it is a very good goal actually we have supported it from the very beginning now after a few days some groups jump on the most traitors and try to use it for other political reasons not for the economy or financial reform of the system not to fight the corruption here was the problem when they started to attack the Civil Society and the civil Public Places of the governmental forces in the field we have never attacked anyone of them. Here this you saying this you have to search better than i can tell us that was somewhere you know very well that this was widely reported at the time from respectable News Agencies and respectable news organizations look the point is right now the right part of what has been reported is not right as as always as always right now your as always what as always a claims that as always the other job misreported youre always claim youre misreported. You must be a very misunderstood. We know no there is an agenda you know with our you know with from superpowers a from regional powers which does it make us as a journalist and that if you come to debate on people millions of people support our cause we are a Resistance Movement fighting for our liberation from the Israeli Occupation fighting in order to. Keep our country the integrity of the country the consistency of the country the dignity of the country and the liberation of the bandits of the country but youre absolutely right so far as the rest of the world is a war a lot of the world d is concerned you are toxic you are widely labeled a terrorist group not just by the u. S. And u. K. But most of the arab world and the British Government prescribed youre in Town Organization last year and accused you of supporting terrorism in iraq and the palestinians territories so in the west eyes as well as most of the arab world then all of you are seen as terrorist how are you going to get money from the International Community when you are part of the government seen as a terrorist group how do you expect lebanon to get money from the International Community that its about who needs this is the whole a story this is. This is the whole new story actually you start the from one place to subjugate the country you look your budget and youll want to dictate your own policies you dont agenda against it if the people fight back for the servant the dignity you stop with this book aids the stuff with the seas you start with the sanctions out punishments if you say you know when you talk about the out of boat on the other systems of the of our governments when you talk about saudi arabia is this a democratic country or a democratic government that you are talking about most of the. Governments and the out of book they live but us as these that it is as the western government label us this does not say much and if he has not got to be saying that this is that this is wrong if you out of the majority does not mean that you out of lights we. Independence of d d resistance against the occupation against theyre going to make subjugation thats why we are in a bit of stuff from the United States and you know money out of countries governments. Puppets in the american yeah but the fact is you need like the member of the needs western money and with you constantly threatening the United States theyre not going to get it out of a lebanon is not going to get you in government if youre one of the big easy jobs if it was by the United States. We are being victimized by the United States the United States support israel that the cussing the palestinians people rights that are rushing the Palestinian People hopes in order to have a Southern State this is the United States of this is there was no they out of trying to annex the west bank you know that very well they are next good on hundreds you know that very well ok ill give you an example what about egypt and jordan they have signed negotiations with the they have signed peace treaties with theirs and according to the american and western women and to the fact that you are an obstacle to getting the american and european Law Enforcement has spent years jotting your group not at all subsections american terminal is drug cartels 3 and illegal Money Laundering operations stretching into africa and latin america you say you dont get involved in this kind of criminality chaffing. Look at those over those words you say that you say that you have illusions from some of your own people that they are you know in gauged in this kind of criminal activity. If you have something good if you have something on the record a few have real files come and show them we have always a challenge then a state and all those who you say that we are. We have a kind of collaboration with the criminal groups or Money Laundering or whatever come and show us you what evidence is ok i have got you heres an example heres an example for you that has been used by the worst and heres an example for you lets take a man called chechen aksu he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing Material Support or as mullah chetan aksu he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing Material Support for hezbollah conspiring to acquire antiaircraft missiles and conspiring to import heroin into the us you think he made that he pleaded guilty strange thing to do if he wasnt he pleaded guilty to doing that on your behalf you think do you think that if this do you think this is very there i can give you scores of examples from the United States like when they put someone in jail or put them under the 3rd that they can make files as much as they want the problem is that you are taking their eyes states as an example example of a model for transparency for authenticity for genuity there are layers about this actually really and thats your best answer is a lets try joseph a smart man called joseph asma accused of trying to use his links to hezbollah to launder drug money he pleaded guilty in the u. S. To a Money Laundering conspiracy charge prosecutors said he boasted that he could use his hezbollah connections to provide security for drug shipments my question to you is what is the party of god doing this is offering security for Illegal Drugs in audience no. This is not listen this this is not if you want to have Something Like this out this is not going to be discussed of me that you have to take it to the judiciary and lebanon we have a judiciary system that we want to do for him. Well get these people how to tell you theyre not guilty what. Money people blew the building actually but you can if you want the United States can make a whole population in pleading guilty i mean the american policy is they make the Palestinian People plead guilty because they are fighting the compression in israel why dont you take such issues you have the because the actual izing the contextualizing shows they can come them from that is that it will complex to put them and their labs and only in one part in one sigma and that will distort the image im so analyst mr mossad where youre trying to youre trying to muddy the waters according to the Drug Enforcement agency has been increasingly relies on criminal revenue from the wider array of sources that include the lebanese Diaspora Group members affiliates etc the organization is even competed for Money Laundering contracts in the same manner as colombian drug cartels and other criminal organizations so you belong with some shady groups on the International Crime scene dont you you can you can continue to mention all if you want to continue this episode as long as you want you can continue to mention as much as you want of examples but this is not going to change the truth that these are things are put in the most of the western media against hezbollah against any. Resistance move against any Resistance Group in order to distort the image in order to justify and he sang gens against it you asked for examples i gave you so lets talk if we may about your support for the Assad GovernmentBashar Al Assad in syria despite its shocking disregard for human life especially civilians you could hardly claim of what theyve been doing or dont you the party of god have anything to say about policies of rape torture and extermination that Bashar Al Assad and his forces have been carrying out youve got no principles no red lines as far as that sort of behavior is concerned. Let me ask you about the western media about your government of the western governments of the United States governments and what they did to the israelis who crushed the people every day who started who pipe parts of lebanon who by parts of the Golan Heights and who continue to occupy also they want to annex part of jordan parts of of other places i mean if we are asking us questions in other programs im talking to you or not hezbollah im talking to you about hezbollah because you represent hezbollah and im on why you silence not your support has more regime in syria that the fairies out extermination policies towards its own people think of it goes we are fighting we we we were fighting taxi to groups who beheaded people who took the hearts of people who caused much g. The children who made an election this is we were fighting the taxi to groups it is a priority because they came and they got it against our part of the country you know we had a wide open actions against North Lebanon is lebanon on the downtown searching the question mr mousawi now not on serino a question about why you say you have on the other hand the question why actually holds a regime in syria well follow the rules i mean im going to speak with. We are we are if i think that vienna groups in syria are fighting that theory groups who were sent to train by the United States of america in their record its their you know with even the american officials that it could not is that and they said that they made them mr those i will take you to give pause and thing is that by lending mr assads your support you became complicit in everything he did and these crimes against humanity the u. N. High commissioner for human rights in syria got up and said a church or chain and you are complicit they are complicit with the with mohamed been said about all of those deficit this is making in yemen. The United States and britain and all governments you are complicit with like you and i have you keep changing the subject were going to change into such and yemen right you are not changing the subject i love a lot of you know i pull you though you are trying to equate out you are trying to equate things and in a long way i want to hold you responsible you out in a responsible place for what you are doing in other places now you are talking about the Resistance Movement to the present only a small size of the about is government and you want to hold that responsible for all the evils in the region while you want to wash your hands from all the atrocities that are holding me responsible for the evils just just loved ones there were some government just the ones that you were involved in and not everybody in your group is happy about your support for syria shake so be to faily who was a leader of hezbollah said a few years ago hezbollah should not be defending the create criminal or a hitler sense that kills its own people. Now can i just finish the question you and i just had a very question and that was our widget one can i can i just say that is the question this is an individual person youre talking about when i just finished the question you said hezbollah should not leave finding the criminal regime that kills its own people and that has never fired a shot in the defense of the palestinians those hezbollah fighters who are killing children and terrorizing people and destroying houses in syria will go to hell and cannot be considered as martyrs. How do you respond to the talking about one individual supposed find youre not talking about youre talking about one individual so he thought he had a presence only himself if he were to present himself this is one thing he is an enemy to hezbollah because he was the leader of that he is a low no this is one think of the i can bring you scores of other officials that do not agree or condone what the western governments do is does this make sense to you in the same track as well mousavi you havent answered the question were running out of time let me just give you a final question we know that lebanon is fragile. Child is that they are naturally well how fragile is the country and what is the danger of a new civil war in lebanon. As long as long as the americans continue their plots and conspiracies as long as they continue this siege against the government as long as they want to punish the holy about these people not on the hezbollah this is going to continue to be a crisis for lebanon but were not on the verge of the over 7 war its not like that you are talking now about the last phase of the American West and conspiracy against the country they were not able to defeat hezbollah in 2006 not before now they have moved into this sanctions and to this siege and to this embargo into this located against lebanon ok so its not so hidden so its out of the whole the west it was a fold its all the west for mr mousawi it was so we thank you very much for being on conflict. Pleasure pleasure pleasure. To the point. Of clear positions in turn National Perspectives subject. To weeks of large scale demonstrations against racism in the u. S. 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