In your own description is a bit complicated specially for Classical Music so many talented Young Musicians. But there are not so many possibilities to get to perform work to watch live concerts and as i have like a family of musicians and my father is a composer who told me if its what you want to do then you need to leave. When i heard about that kenny i did really want such opportunity and i always wanted to to do Something Else it was to study some literature to study always always and when i saw that i think you know is it well and and it was no question that im not going to. I have been on stage for 64 years now i played my 1st concert in 1950 s. I hope art learn something in all those years and id like to pass that on i think you. Should its one step in a vision i have long held. Here to have this center where musicians from all over the middle east can learn to communicate with one another through music. Thats your. Yeah i mean this academy is slightly different with a program to counter specialize ation in the 0. He said what used to say a specialist is someone who knows more and more about less and less. And i believe that this problem is not limited to musicians it affects all of society. And. Thank. You. The idea started for having an academy where musicians would also study philosophy that was the that was the idea and that was how i heard of it shortly thereafter i met with Lester Barron by many mediately it was clear that we share these ideas that its a terrible shame that Classical Musicians nowadays specialize so much and dont get to reflect more broadly about what they do in the ground themselves in the broader culture so it was clear that we could Work Together in trying to remedy that and it was clear that this was going to work. It was very interesting because it was the 1st time seeing a program. More broadly than just music and i was always interested in more things but never had really the time to expand or you know to really. Am and thats if they just apply. And i got accepted for their ear. If. You murder. For. It has always been Daniel Barenboim streams you have an academy where students are educated. His way that. Fall that he challenges every musician to acquire a universal Education One to keep on learning and to see the bigger picture. From thank. You friend you. Think youll be very. Heartening and makes me happy that hes responding like that i cant i since i dont play in this for i cant it feels good. Im surprised how well how much how nice the windows are i was worried about them it feels like a connection to the city which is right because this is not a. And out next period concert hall on the floor morning here say hall or something. Every academy needs a home. But this is the only academy with a hole like this one that we were lucky because frank gehry turned out to be a fan of the west and devalued his truck with. Ok when i told him that this idea was becoming reality he said. I really want to do this. And i said mr careless because we werent friends yet again mr gary you are probably the worlds greatest architect we cant afford to lose he replied how could you say that for you to be able to work for the west instant of an orchestra and for this academy is used i know what you should bangers minds and. He did everything for free it was an amazing gift as persecution. The 1st model so i did were like a smaller version of a big concert hall and danios lying on his back and he was in pain and he said but frank why are you doing that what happened to those other sketches he trip and i said well theyre not to the pristine am theyre not normal they dont hear. You dont ask frank gehry to build a conventional concert or they no point in doing that theres no point in doing that. And they really overalls. That was a kind of intuitive thing i intuitively made him i didnt know why it felt right for the room but i was dismissing them because i didnt have enough experience to know that. The musicians could you know could make it were. Tiny and soft to daniel set that frank carries 1st draft with a concert hall was to traditional for his liking so it was a kind of box. Dolphin finger. And then gary started drawing that big bang spiral which became the 1st draft of the of lip tickle concert hall of the barenboim saeed academy so its hard to believe but its true. I was all for it and ripped the page straight out of his not the group because i. I. Live 1st year was just across in their parlance street we werent livin people students from. The region and it was very exciting because we were like a small family very fast we became really good friends. Yeah and then one year after we moved here of course 25. 00 more students arrive and it started to feel more like an academy week many people all and be syria and iran 20 something people so now its a real functioning academy so its really nice to see how it feels to such an institution. To travel to israel palestine lebanon jordan and egypt to recruit to find students to hold auditions to tell them about the academy. And we have about now i think close to 80 percent of our student body is all from the middle east from malawi some of africa which is something im very proud of because that is the. Primary. The sort of remit of this institution its one of our primary objectives. Is. To. Learn. To her. Feet. Like her by. My late husband edward said and then you better mind met by accident at the hotel in london i believe it was 992 that is when you came up to me and said you dont know me mr barenboim im edward saeed. I replied weve never met but i know very well who you walk with. I think a lot he laughed and we talked for a while and then i said im sorry that i have to go i have a rehearsal yes he said can i wait for you certainly i replied so i would love to continue our conversation so. Thats why i believe that was in june 1902 if im not mistaken. We spoke almost every day almost every day until his death. Whether he was in japan and i was in berlin or he was in the u. S. And i was in one as i didnt matter. That connection meant a lot to both of us. It was only a couple of years later that they began to discuss projects. First actually edward was very keen that then he had visit the west bank he said why dont you visit it why dont you see how it is on the other side. That man always was thinking we have to do something for our people and of course and with that. The opportunity came for the west to become a reality. It. Was. I mean its not often that you find scholars that are so deeply interested in music and musicians that are so deeply interested in philosophy and so they had an immediate connection at that level and of course because of their backgrounds one being by identity palestinian of course educated in an angloamerican environment in in egypt and then. On the United States for edward sayed and for bound by most of his life he did not live in israel but he had a clear jewish and israeli. Strands in his background and both of them are humanists so both of them see the concerns. Of the contemporary middle east through their own lens as well as through the lens of a broader a broader perspective i think they wanted others to be able to enjoy this type of this type of encounter in this type of call. So that they had this shouldnt be a privilege of the few lives everyone should be able to connect with that. Man. One of the things at that said about this project is through this project the language of music that was teaching these Young Students and these Young Musicians to think differently they will be thinking and alternative ways and trying to break that impasse we at in now if not that generation that they will pass it on to their children this experience and maybe so thats how i see it looking beyond seeing the situation were in always in alternate ways. And if i told you that no from the beginning i went there to have the conversations to have it either it would be a life of course i went for the special musical experience but then once there i learned how to ask myself the questions the good questions. Or the about questions also about the situation there and then i restarted to talk with friends and started to know so many things about others about the differences about and how to how to connect and how to understand the differences of the other. The westminster and the final it is damn program which i groomed in waltz as a musician and watching so closely with. Myself and one and with such an amazing musicians. They experience these unbelievable its it is the highest level love of music making. And when you share a tweet such an amazing musicians that treaty become such good friends of yours and people that in either situation you will never meet i will never have their option to play nickel and i section we day running in trying to send them police sting and crying and its meeting one of the most influencing experiences. Its now the orchestra goes on tours from the salzburg festival to the lucerne festival to london promise to the soul the volga and berlin it wasnt like that before things were still developing up and shell. Be shocked and i was already playing with the divine in 2006 when edward site was still a long time and he came by and talked to the musicians through them within the relationship between him and my father was the roots of the west eastern divonne Fathers House so thats how it came about. And the academy is basically a continuation of that idea with these ideas. That. We are looking at a world that has a lot of discontinuity its problems with building up walls and shutting people off and a lot of unfortunate a kind of under taking any kind of. Subversion of the critical and philosophical a dias that the western intellectual world had inherited from the enlightenment on heard that music is a universal language that means the same thing to everybody or fortunately speak to everybody. What better way to figure out what music me its good to do it in a project such as one has the worst use of the broadcaster and eventually the bare bones leaving. Rock and. I swear to make music is to become one all come together and stay permanently connected. I want to die from the start. Thats why theres the philosophy i call it the thinking here is thinking there or. We created this curricula linking the music that they play to. Other aspects of context and content but the original sound was music and also. But as soon as we developed it into a Larger Program we realized that that philosophy was one angle of humanitys. Play whereas you are such a smart philosopher plato student i want to learn what is the human being and i want to learn is there such a thing as truth and if plato were not plato but someone else he might say well let me tell you after you die this is what happens to yourself and there is such a thing called truth and i the philosopher know it and these are the things you need to know if you come to my school 5 times a week i will teach you the truth he could do that but instead he says there was a cave imagine imagine this cave why do you think. He takes this route why would a philosopher take the time to write so many so many details when he could just tell us were in the dark. In terms of what the musical world demands it doesnt seem to be necessary to have this broader education why is it that they should care about her clitoris or card or marks or similar. Instead of just playing for another hour but the potential of music is kind of limited when musicians limit themselves to technical skill and performance. We want to correct a tendency and to say youre missing the point if youre just playing it. For for for music sake so to speak theres a whole they mention that is that is lost. Thanks so much pascal this is really thinking is fun its like exercise for the brain and water and through these texts and the philosophers we learn on an emotional level sort of america we get to know ourselves better because we ask ourselves more questions that we otherwise wouldnt have asked. And we get to know each other because we express our views and class and on my lungs out that. I can find because its hugely enriching for a musician because when you play you often have to recreate various emotions but you also need your brain to understand and analyze the pieces simcox part understood its officially announced on the newseum. Too much in my 1st instance lets say ive never felt lonely because ive always been around people just. To find out but if he speaks of deep loneliness then i can recreate that because ive read about it in books or i can imagine it was fashion. 2. I come from a nonmusical family so i dont know how actually i got it probably i saw it on t. V. Or something and i was really interested invited and i just said to my parents i want to study the violin and they are it of course face they tried to find their teacher then and here we are in berlin. 2. Yes. The bow of the fingers. First time i met i swam in 1008 he came to another as to the cause of ottery and and i played for him a small piece that. After a few months i met him again in Jerusalem Festival he was incredibly charming very young and very lively for you. Never initials and he said to me after me and most of my playing in the in the orchestra i would truly love to if she were fiamma to me there he said but youre too young youre still 11 thats he said and thats a bit of he said if it helps i can also say im 20 i was out of if and science it. Is an element from information and the next summer i was there. Were hard not to really do man have cause most of our students are from the region are you the middle east palestinians israelis syrians egyptians. Who knows all hands like the west east and began it is not a project for peace for that one bring pigs this is a humanitarian project money or you can but is not a political project and were not trying to push any political opinion reefers opened to save. Us we worship is does what he want is for them to learn to listen to other peoples views. And maybe even understand them so without necessarily agreeing with me and for standards. And because i was. Working with these students who come from the middle east who would not be able to study together in the middle east you could not have. A person from tel aviv and a person from syria sitting in the same classroom anywhere over there. Working with these people has really allows me to feel like im in some way connected to the realities of the region even though im not there. And that. I find a channel through which i feel im doing something even if its not necessarily immediately visible and even if its not political activism it feels like in some way. My work is relevant to that reality. Theres so much to say about. The hitler youth books and bring them here in the middle of the square authors who are writing in ways that ricin is actually german or degenerate yeah this is the term about is used to generate art its a bit stuffy the surface its hard to see inside but i invite you to take a look down there in the inside the hall there and see what you see. This is something that occupies me a lot. Well in today and in jewish history and the current conflict in the middle east and how these things somehow. Are and one going conversation these particular identities and you know the jerusalem is now the place where the wall is now there is a wall in jerusalem we are here now taking our students through berlin and talking about how walls dont last. Just this image seeing students from the middle east here in berlin where survival is not an issue where identities can be negotiated where you feel free to connect with another through music and through song. Is just liberating and. And beautiful yeah c. When anyone died and with that suddenly they came to me and they said if you want this project to continue youll have to be involved as a family. Because it wouldnt work at that place. There were lights you know if i if we did not. Participate that the essence of the project the idea of both sides coming together that were not to be there with daniel by himself. And then the project would become Something Else completely. So i thought its better that it continue the way it is because the message is spot for. I would like to formally introduce it to my room so i think it is the riddle of the birds i need and use the name sake of the building here so the barenboim say each academy you all remember 200 say you traitor so when we think of others what do you think that means as an idea. What isnt over. There still on the other side. Of this. The other was 1st used in homers iliad to describe the true sions who are the non greeks they were the other we are degrees we are the center of civilization we are answering and we smelled good which was the basic sort of tenets of morality change and research and the traditions are just these barbarians who live across the street and thats where the true others entered into the lexicon of western intellectuals history and this is how it works i mean uses the term other in the context of his work in his work humanism takes on a particular. Relational they mention and not simply give an ism in the sense of developing my potential. My skills my knowledge but human isnt in the sense of allowing a connection where previously they may not have been or. Will you know the question of of different human difference. And whether that notion of difference can extend to very large collectivity such as west or east to orient an author. Is something about which im very doubtful theres nobody for example who doesnt believe in the idea of human freedom or Human Dignity or compassion or he one for eternity or love or whatever you want to call i mean to me its much more interesting and impressive how cultures you know concept be feed each other across what are supposed to be lines of demarcation and to me are in fact lines of code existence and complementarity and and cant appoint which is the word i use from almost from you know music. I mean were trying to break down its walls were trying to look at the walls or ideologies and political systems built in find a way to bulldoze right through them to. To. Bring them down to through music and arts and and expression i mean this is actually a fantastic story in the Old Testament about the wall of jerko being brought down by the by the blaring horns of trumpets i mean thats a great analogy for trying to accomplish. What you just learned it is how much you are similar and that sam there is no. Monster on the other side they want what you want. We mainly are you know this and we speak about our daily lives here and we create friendships doesnt have anything to do with. The place you were born in you think the fact that we are all coming to do it means that already there is one thing that is common for all of us and not on the music which is a big come on field. Shorts was a very just seeing how in the orchestra in the tube on when an israeli plays a solo for oboe or clarinet or whatever everyone is happy and wants them to do well on moved to just as long. As people under there is no other moment in life right now when an israeli wants the best for a palestinian. Because. It was. If you stick. 2 around. To find a time when i some lessons for the students gives all the time he has for them its something that i really see as a role model in especially in the love for music that he its reflecting from him. And. Let us know whether you have a good battle gear you have a Good Commission here and now you have to reduce the volume by 20 percent so that you business to play for. Example bust does the amount and im surprised that someone who isnt a cellist could teach me in such detail the kind that you know in the orchestra he can comment on each instrument and its rare for a conductor to be familiar with every instrument and able to solve any problem until people problem and just think you must really dig this harmonic basis very seriously thanks for getting the most powerful element of harmony. Melody rhythm the most powerful or is the harmony. And thats not a matter of opinion it is or most of the scientific. Evidence and then going back and why we have in common the way of challenging their students to think for themselves there is an american expression that says you stand on the the giants shoulders and look beyond and thats what he did he. Look beyond or least it serves all those people who came before him and tried to see something new. And thats how he couldnt construe that thats the same music. I. Thank you sheesh vice least i dont know how successful we can be without a combination of music and philosophy with his initial nose was equal to those of he. Was so full its too early to say because at the end of the day its still a musical academy. So how its going to work out its an experiment and you know as long as an experiment is not finished just as in medicine you cant use it well and we have to make sure that as it grows with teachers join us they support our idea. And that teaching goes well beyond fingering and bowing techniques fingers it so we. The human did defeat also for the poet the musician the conductor i was like why saddam hide how do you switch between all these languages without getting lost in your mind how do you do that it was on the stairs of the academy he was records it was not you you think too much just just switch and thats it dont dont think too much about it with him or you think too much didnt you do more you go through each and just construct and about letting it be there naturally and with a good education with a good with a good experience it will all work it will all work out. And a little bit of luck. Innovation. Founder sally bianco controls these modern geniuses in asia the price of cotton in a halt social entrepreneurs are changing the lives of the poor providing schooling and hope. To me give serious decision to the move goes in with sales for today is a moment dreamworld from the parents of. 30 minutes on d w. 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