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World to say goodbye to george floyd the world george florians death has already changed mourners are gathering in Houston Texas for the final Public Memorial Service for the black man who died in Police Custody 2 weeks ago the end of floyds wife sparked protests against racism and Police Brutality from minneapolis to sydney to london here in berlin last saturday the crowds gathered despite social distancing rules totaling some 15000 and the public those protesting and those not they have been listening and apparently some changing their minds a new poll released monday in the us shows joe biden with a double digit lead over President Trump in his bid to win the white house in november trumps threat to deploy the u. S. Military to quell unrest in u. S. Cities is cited as the key reason why the president s Approval Ratings have plummeted and lawmakers they appear to be listening france has announced that police there will no longer use chokeholds when taking a person into custody in the u. S. Congressional democrats have introduced the justice in policing act which aims to stop the use of Excessive Force in Law Enforcement in minneapolis the city where george ford was killed the city council yesterday voted to dismantle the police force entirely here is the Minneapolis City Council president. Our candidate is to do whats necessary to keep everything go member of our community feet to tell the truth that the Minneapolis Police are not doing that. Our commitment is to end our city of toxic relationship with a video clip to Police Departments to answer police thing as we know it really. Does stand up comics to do that actually. My 1st guest tonight is gerald horne professor of history and africanamerican studies at the university of texas he is the author of numerous books including White Supremacy confronted he joins us from Houston Texas tonight profesor morning welcome to the day its good to have you here there has been nonstop protesting in the u. S. Since george lord was killed 2 weeks ago and this force it appears to be international you know as i said we had 15000 people here in berlin on saturday demonstrating against racism let me ask you as a historian to look into the future do you sense a turning point here i mean is there a window of opportunity for lasting change. There is a window of opportunity for lasting change but its premature to say that there is a turning point i would like to see what is the Approval Rating of mr trump in november for example steadily despite all of his many transgressions and flubs his Approval Ratings have hover pair fully in the fortys and even today theyre still in the fortys he has a heart core of support and that along with Voter Suppression could still turn the tide for him in november i would however like to underscore what you said with regard to international protests i think that that is a critical and key factor because if you look at the history of White Supremacy in the United States one of the reasons why it has been able to be repelled has been International SupportInternational Support helped to turn the tide against slavery of the 19th century particularly british abolitionism and support from haitian revolutionaries and the fact that in the 1950 s. United states that to appeal to rising nations in africa in the caribbean that had african majorities helped to convince the United States that the better part of wisdom was to retreat from us apart 8 otherwise these nations might turn towards the socialist camp and must go so therefore we must pick carefully close attention to mr trumps Approval Ratings and also the level in nature of International Solidarity professor do you think there are 2 narratives here at work the legacy of u. S. Slavery and the legacy of european colonialism and i want you to keep that question in mind and i want you to take a listen to what a kenyan rapper said today about the role of white people in his country and across the western world take a listen. Actually we have american friends who live here we wanted to be who won them to be accountable especially a White American some kind that they need to be accountable they need to be in something to do with what is happening in the world that can keep because if youre white and in kenya your privilege your and you dont find poor white people in kenya you know as well because of that they need to be their voice and they need to champion and if you change from here is a Chain Reaction to the west so professor what is he talking about is he speaking about a collective white guilt or is it speaking about a collective white responsibility or both. Its more the latter and i think more so what is the legacy is your sort of question suggested the legacy of slavery and colonialism i think were there to states face a double whammy on the one hand you still see black people being treated like slaves because after all one of the reasons there are 40000000 of us in north america is because of the legacy of slavery in the slave trade but the other issue is rarely discussed or interrogated that is to say that there is a legacy of National Chauvinism in the United States of america because there is this why its pretty feeling that the overthrow of british rule in 776 was this great leap forward for humanity the problem is that the african population in north america by several orders of magnitude did not support the overthrow of british rule and the enthronement of slave owners like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and James Madison and therefore since that time weve been treated like counterrevolutionaries yet weve been treated like were not a part of this society but on top of that were still being treated as a result of the legacy of slavery as if were criminals in waiting when until we confront those double issues im afraid to say that it will be difficult to suggest that the Tipping Point against a nother replication or duplications of a George Floyd Murder has not been reached professor should u. S. History should it be and World History should it be talked differently in the u. S. You know weve got like you said the story of the American Revolution the founding of the us should that be told with the story of European Occupation mass killings of native americans and the construction of a nation in part by slaves and then freed slaves who were treated like and didnt turn servants. Clearly your question needs to be incorporated that is to say u. S. History needs to be totally revamped and reconfigure but thats going to be a very difficult uphill climb just a few weeks ago if one reporter for the New York Times got behind his prize and u. S. Journal journalism for suggesting what i did a moment ago that United States was born in part as a revolt against british out alyson ism as she was subjected despite the surprise to many bats of attack yeah scurrilous reproaches and all the rest and that leads me to think that its going to be very difficult to revamp u. S. History which means im afraid to say that there may be a long hot summer and one hot summers ahead professor gerald horne professor of history and africanamerican studies at the university of texas professor we appreciate your insights tonight lets hope that that long hot summer will be a short one thank you thank you. Investigation what china does not want the world to know about how its treating its we Muslim Minority in china is change on province its estimated that 1000000 we have been detained in socalled reeducation camps the remote region in chinas far northwest is off limits to International JournalistsMuslim Leaders who make up most of the regions population they have long ceased repression by chinese authorities including lengthy prison sentences well how are we able to leave or to escape and how do they do it by betraying themselves Investigative Team has found that many imprisoned weekers have been forced to admit to a crime that they did not commit and are then sentenced in sham trials without access to due process w. Reporters spoke with people who was skinny from chinas network of repression and shinji. You dont have any freedom much or your money says 21st that they can interrogate you as any time even at night when youre asleep so the women i was with ended up that because they had want to head stuff. All the trouble to broad there wasnt a single criminal among that. Thats the voice of a woman who spent almost a year inside a reeducation camp in china with keeping her identity a secret in order to protect a family and singe on a remote region in northwest china. She ingenues home to the weakest the predominantly muslim ethnic group. Decades of state sponsored discrimination against them has stepped into discontent in times of violence including riots on terror attacks. In response china has cracked down and we built up a close knit surveillance system. That imprisoned. More than a 1000000 people in internment camps across to. The Chinese Government claims the camps were set up to fight extremism and provide readers with the patient skills but detainees and documents contradict that narrative rather detainees are targeted based on little more than their culture and religion and are forced to undergo a draconian and often brutal brainwashing program. And now we have on earth even more chilling evidence of chinas for oppression of leaders we talked to former detainees who managed to escape chinas last network of reeducation camps. One day they were handed a list of alleged crimes. It was one page of paper we had to choose one item i started reading it and it said wearing a headscarf playing owning a quran phoning all contact him people abroad they threatened us you will stay here until you pick a crime so i signed the paper and put my fingerprint. A few days after the woman was forced to sign the list official start of calling up people one by one for what amounts to a sham trial oh yes you were you. There were no lawyers. There were to read out the judgement and the detainee would have to say i confessed my crimes i promise i wont repeat my wrongdoings to all of you know me but i want to just talk amongst. Others so that. We analyze satellite imagery in publicly available material such as construction bids and tender notices and managed to locate 3 camps where these trials happened in 2018 in 3 different locations across 2. After the trials detainees started disappearing some were picked up at night others led away from their classrooms never to return. But it seems that only those who had confessed to religious acts in the shop and Child Support picked up this is yet another indication that chinas targeting we get culture and religion. The woman in the other detainees we talked to managed to escape to neighboring kazakhstan as those with cars that president seal family members were eventually allowed to leave china. My husband says ive changed sometimes i get very angry so no reason to stop screaming jar in the nights im so exhausted all of the times its us. Well im joined now by ryan thumb hes a historian of islam in china specializing in weaker culture and history at the university of nottingham he joins us tonight from new orleans in the u. S. Its good to have you on the day based on what we have seen in that region of china would you say that china is trying to eradicate islam on its territory. No i wouldnt say that because islam is allowed in some sort of limited ways even for some weaker is and also for other ethnic groups its allowed especially the way of the group its allowed on a greater scale it severely restricted i would say though that that china is trying to reengineer dilute and maybe even entirely destroy a culture why would do you think that china is conducting these sham drawings and forcing detainees to pick a crime that they didnt commit i mean i guess china doesnt have to do any of this the world would never know right. Well the world has knows a lot about whats going on. Largely because the Chinese Government put so much of its documentation online and of course we get people who get out of the camps one way or another as in this case we talk about what happened but theres also a drive from within china to formalize what was somewhat improvised policy for a long time so we you can see legal documents catching up with decisions that the party in the government already made and started implementing often with about a 6 month or one year lag time and weve seen that over the last 2 years after these massive internment camps camps opened up and this this looks like one further step in creating an illusion or a fig leaf of. Systematic miss where where really things there are treasury you know almost like an air of legitimacy if you will the fact that you and i are talking about this proves that its not a secret the Chinese Government claimed earlier this year that people who were graduating from these reeducation camps and having you know lives happily ever after if you put all that together and then see what the International Community is doing would you say that china is getting a free ride when it comes to repressing its weak years. Its getting about as close to a free ride as. As you can imagine i mean there have been there has been some movement finally in terms of other governments trying to push back in practical terms the us awhile ago. Blacklisted some companies that were involved in this and has now passed a law which is waiting for the president s approval that would that would call for sanctions on some chinese leaders but for most of the world has responded with very little to nothing of a practical response running from with the university of oregon joining us tonight from new orleans ryan we appreciate your insights in your time tonight thank you. Thank you. This computer there are no indications which bases would be affected you dont which branch whether its the Army Air Force the marines or whoever. But i also think that we do not have the luxury of wasting time only to wait for an official statement for example with regard to the reduction of troops in germany. When the investments were made in the Training Area which is not only the largest in europe but also the most modern worldwide concert much of the american is giving thats how we have to bring the europeans together and find a common position were scapegoats all we need for a big plan a master plan of. Trump i dont know. Lots of questions in guessing here in germany are the americans about to pull thousands of troops out of the country and if so why last week u. S. President drunk reportedly instructed the pentagon to bring home almost 10000 of the 34000 troops stationed here in germany the pentagon has not confirmed their report and the German Government says it has not received notification ever since he became u. S. President donald trump is criticize germany for not increasing its defense spending today germanys defense minister made it clear the presence of u. S. Troops serves u. S. Interests and does not constitute the americans doing the germans a favor. This is the fact is that the presence of u. S. Soldiers in germany serves the overall security of the Nato Alliance and thats also american security. That is the basis on which we Work Together incidentally it is also the basis on which Many American soldiers have also become a real component of German Society are well integrated on the ground and play an Important Role there and in this respect for today i believe there is no need to add anything. More now lets take this story to brussels home to nato headquarters is teri schultz joins me now from our Brussels Bureau terry has spent many years covering nato good evening to you jerry german says that washington has not announced anything has naidoo received word of any troop reduction plans in germany. Its hard to tell brant i asked secretary general stolzenberg about the u. S. Plans for withdrawing german troops today at an at an online event he held and this is what he said. We are constantly consulting the United States with old nato allies on the military posture presence in in europe european allies and in ited states were doing more together now in europe than it done for many many years and i think thats a fix to the fact that we are actually to strengthen the military cooperation within nato lost. So secretarygeneral stolzenberg would not directly address whether he had been informed about about us plans and in fact he held a press phone call with president after this event and even after this i asked nato officials again did they discuss the reported plans to pull troops out of germany and i didnt get a straight answer again simply was told that they discussed the u. S. Troop presence in europe as they always do so we really dont know brant yet frustrating for you and for all of us trying to get answers a trumpet ministration official told us that there is no need for a large u. S. Presence in germany because nato has increased its defense spending is that true and is native just as strong with a few were u. S. Troops here in germany. We dont really know brant it is true that nato has increased its defense spending or more accurately that the nato allies have increased their spending on their own militaries which is in fact usually referred to as as nato defense spending but they really there really hasnt been a test of whether nato need for u. S. Troops here on the continent but i think whats whats really missed in this conversation is that its in the u. S. Interest to have the troops stationed in germany those troops are not there simply to protect germany as President Trump likes to portray it or even to protect europe in fact it is used as a staging grounds for troops to go on to other parts of the world i mean not even not even europe not even the russian border the u. S. Has many uses for its installations in germany and that in fact would be a huge loss and use on many commentators coming out after this announcement saying thats a ridiculous decision thats a strategic mistake those are most of the comments i heard from military commentators a mistake for the United States not a threat to europe yeah a colossal mistake weve weve heard in the last 48 hours you know terry there are worries here in berlin that donald trump would reduce u. S. Troop numbers to punish germany for not spending more on defense are those words are they justified based on what you know about u. S. Nato times at the moment. Well i think its more about u. S. German ties in fact outside the nato context and i have also read those reports that this is sort of another fit of pique by President Trump about germanys low defense spending also rumors that he was angry because chancellor merkel refused to come to a g. 7 summit at this point to do to corona virus worries and thats had to be delayed so we dont really know and in fact you know many in the administration were not informed of the thinking behind President Trumps reported decision to do this and it was just asked at the white house a short time ago today in their briefing and they didnt have anything to say about it either so he has apparently kept this decision if it is made in fact quite quite close and nobodys really sure how it came about but i wouldnt put it past him to to be coming up with this idea to punish chancellor merkel one of his frequent target still big he is always quick to talk up u. S. Commitments to nato are we to believe that after 3 years of the Trump Presidency americas role in the deal is stronger. It is true as secretary general stolzenberg likes to point out massaging this message that despite all the trump threats to nato the threats that range from pulling out to simply cutting off funding it is true that the u. S. Troop commitment the u. S. Troop presence in europe is greater now than it has been that it even was under president obama but that remains to be seen whether whether that will continue with these threats from President Trump and whether its true that there are more boots on the ground or not what he has done to shake up unity to make the case constantly wonder what he has up his sleeve next i dont know that that makes up for having more u. S. Soldiers on the ground here yeah thats a point that we should not forget the results on the story for you brussels tonight syria as always thank you. 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