Why are we greedy. We go in search of answers in the documentary film. Start to make you see w. How will cope with 19 redefined what the European Union is all about how everyone for france 24 on false what began paris and im melinda crane for dutch of ella in berlin in the European Union health care has always been handled at the National Level so as the corona pandemic swept the continent it was nation states that were calling the shots even between close e. U. Neighbors the borders were closed crucial medical exports were stopped and solidarity was looking pretty illusory but that is now changing with french patients for example being treated in german hospitals and melinda with a crisis that were 2 months into which shows some are calling the biggest test for this continent since world war 2 a lot of questions Going Forward the french president calling it a moment of truth ahead of thursdays Virtual Summit there are those that are eyeing dick de confinements. And then other nations that are doubling down what common response can france and germany often dubbed the motor of european unity a rally a continent thats sure to face some major major challenges both within the European Union and from the rest of the world our title today is corona europes moment of truth costs that cats and dutch ability join up for the debate welcome and joining us from frankfurt hes the former deputy mayor there former student leader of may 68 and former coleader of the green party in the European Parliament thank you so much daniel convention for being with us. And joining us from his Berlin Office is my tam fun my shot hes a member of the german bundestag representing fry book which lies close to the French Border and hes also a member of the Franco German Parliamentary Assembly welcome thank you. From staus boule holland the banks of the rhine we are pleased to welcome a doctor said by dr youre an emergency physician and also a member of the Municipal Council he has brought thank you for being with us thank you over the past weeks youve been doing a lot less politics and a lot more of your quote unquote day job i know youve been working out of the emergency dispatch it should be pointed out to our viewers as asked the region the porters germany is one of the big clusters here in france originally it was down in the southern part of as us in that city of mused but you also have been feeling the brunt of it we know that the curve is flattened whats the situation like this tuesday. Well this you through them is a stabilization in the number of people tested positive that my team understand the addition of a number of people at the inquest its a low life and then maybe a little hook in people transferred in i. C. U. Which is a. 10 percent or less than the others so we still have people going through the hospital we still have people to think positively of you still have severe cases by the number of people dying and the number of people going to as you know the planning see america go by mary when you are 1st saw the cases coming out of china coming out of italy did you think as us would be hit so hard now never. We have the same image 1st the myth that we are from sars or from nurse. Early 2000 and we we thought that we can have something about. Maybe 10 cases in strasbourg and then up in something like. We saw people coming we still 1st the elderly people. Younger people with when we surveyed cases and we saw people dying or people transferred to i. C. U. Unit ice you bet we were really surprised by no one of our. Thinking that. Pandemics work i mean have these raids in our region. Let me pick up with a question to my town fun marshall whose electoral district is just right across the rhine river from that region that as we have just heard was hit very early and very hard by cove it so mr probable what has that meant for the people in your district and for your region as a whole. That it was and still is very difficult for our region you should probably know that about 40000 people from all sides move to my home region. On to work basically but they all work in the very important places like for example Hospital Service we absolutely need these people and them as a sudden they they couldnt come but also because we decided to close the border ringback as i was as was defined as a high risk area why was it you find a high risk area. Because the infection spread east exactly in that specific areas or south of koran and there it should remain was because there was a stretch of band with several 1000 people and these people they were very close together and some of the virus spread very finest in bend area not all are just these days we can come back to slightly open the borders again which is very important for our common diet and i hope and we will bring this tropic into a meeting of the committee of cross border cooperation where i am a member from the village of williston in this cross border cooperation this will be a Video Conference this thursday and a very much show that we cannot convince both sides germany and france to make our cross border cooperation more easier in the near future then youre convinced Franco German cooperation well thats literally in your d. N. A. Because youre a citizen of both countries how do you think your 2 nations i have risen to the challenge. Difficult its difficult because for the french its difficult to see that it seems that. Its easier to be in germany and that they handle the cold it or the cover it is not so explosive or less explosive that in france and because. In this pandemic. Push 3 national reacts here so if the 1st safety the senate the safety its a national thing and so the cooperation is is is not good is not good is difficult and i think that the french and the German Government is not doing it well its not stealing it like today wed still today you know if they did some wonderful things they are you know our transfer from france to germany etc yes but even now you know even if you see the discussion that we have now caught the post by them make the economy creak over i think that france and france and germany are not on the same track and if france and germany is not on the same track then it would be very difficult in europe we want to we want to come back to that question just a little bit later but let me go now to dr cmyk because we just heard from daniel cohen bend it that in fact there are many people in france who have a sense that somehow the germans are doing it better weve seen some pretty prizing headlines coming out of france. Croissant you may you know why are they better across the world not only in europe but all over the world it seems that the corona virus is exposing the gaps and deficits in countries Health Systems and in their economies so what would you say you have seen about what needs to change in france. Well what i can say about the difference of person of maybe it will be it is a different time counting the dead people because in front of the people here we are. Also are enduring. That people are counted else. But in germany if you have they have their tears or you have hypertension you may be counted different when i said that i can explain all of the difference while the other part of the difference is maybe about the number of bet and you have your money i think its something that are 8 for one part only have the dems in front its 5. 9 and under number of i see of that and then you have germany its 2 or 3 points higher than in france so thats going to explain because when you have severe cases your ability to have 20 large or mechanical ventilation supports to safe people and if you have more rights you bet and you have merit more i see your doctor and nurse years well trained than you can save people so maybe one of the 1st listen. Its that we need if you should. Probably have service these are the fun for the European Union around the world and needs urgent be to face other pandemics coming but some might argue about very the french spend more per capita on health care than the germans why have they less to offer as youve just described. Well because we had them. Where we. Countenance vision on Health Policy in the last 20 years. The last french government world. Was really. How there are there will be a story to policy unhurt and a close something about 2000 beds in 5 years so i have some at some moment you will have paid for this because you need these beds for the people and we in the Emergency Departments are saying that or something about to work with who you are that need beds we need nurses doctors we need but just spending on Public Health structures let me say to daniel come back i know you wanted to weigh in here we want to just bring in a brief report and then id like to come to you right after that so even between the close neighbors in the European Union not only the effect of the virus but also the responses to it have diverged pretty widely the lockdown restrictions here in germany for example were never as drastic as those in france and in fact are now slowly being relaxed my torch of our colleague michele the curfew has this short report from berlin 4 weeks into nationwide contact restrictions the government is beginning to loosen its tight grip on public life and german chancellor Angela Merkel is cautioning germans to be responsible with their regained freedoms then the at all female look were now lifting some of these restrictions but we dont know exactly what the consequences will be. And thats why we have to take this slowly step by step. It would be a great shame if we now knowingly headed into relapse. At varying speeds German Federal states are allowing medium size shops to open but hotels and restaurants have to remain closed people on the streets of berlin not torn between a sense of relief and concern. And style lifting the restrictions can go both ways is it really depends on how sensibly people behave now the media go government. When most like their life must go on im not worried that people are going to drop dead around me. By the lord to the shops and people just dont keep their distance you cannot imagine how many wont pass just fine centimeters away from me and i stand by by law from the public backing for the restrictions imposed has so far been always upwards of 90 percent and im going to mount calls Approval Ratings have also sought Germanys Health system has so far been spared being pushed to the limit now the german chancellor is concerned that germans may over celebrate the easing of prescriptions and it will take at least 2 weeks until she finds out. So let me ask any convent do you share the chancellor is concerned about a premature relaxation of restrictions i know that in a recent interview you praised her leadership for example in comparison with the marshall rhetoric of president knockoff yes. Internally she is doing where the problem is when she doesnt talk about europe in which we can these got this after i just want to to come back to the difference between france and germany i think the critics of the german system Health System was exactly the same in the wording before that it was in france we felt so bad. Because there there didnt have enough nurse etc etc the big difference is the federal system the federal system is stronger if its good managed and it is a good manager in germany you have the headsmen is in every lender its white even if they have less money they are there all then as it better lead are these these improvised level and this is a big difference between france and germany and i think a part of the German Society will be aware to continue to keep the wonder left to lead they will be and a part of love its a problem but at the end you cant luck down from months and months the people of the family dont you cant do it a family with 3 kids in a 60 need a partner is impossible you cant do it 5 with cigarettes and then there it will explodes so to all its also the french have to understand that we have to improve existence. Distance etc we have to open a little bit if not the people who we dont resist to go out without any restrictions because its too out may i may i just ask my town from marshall to weigh in on this point are you concerned about premature reactivation of the restrictions. Well i feel that we here members of parliament when we are in discussions with the people of our regions or our constituencies we are raising High Pressure especially from the Business People because they have been there they couldnt they had to work for the last weeks i mean we have programs to support them but lets say those who sell goods in the series those who run Restaurants Hotels they are basically in a very difficult situation and they urge us to do must. To do whatever we can do to relax these districts and regulations and i think for the moment being were going to smooth the way we do it step by step we we ask our people to to to cooperate we we try to avoid you know strict measures of course if there is big parties we we must be strict and we tried to take the people with us and try to make them sensitive due to the fact that we may not overcome the crisis in a few weeks but when where you need to wait until we have medicare man and vaccination and this will take probably all of almost about a year so we must is that here or maybe it is. Again you who just drew a certain current share of distant behavior i think we can manage this we can manage it in supermarkets but its its a hot way of which also might be if i may say so different in latin countries and maybe during your countrys and in one go all the countries because we have differences of forms of its being close together on a lot of trees a good distance is different in kind of jersey countries i think we are in between and in southern germany we are somewhat more. Statements in allegory i think there is a different culture which which we might have that this. Or lets begin. On this issue of the mindset of you can see you can see germany from your window you can almost say since after all its possible you have a tramway line that runs to canada and on the german side. You heard then you convince you there you heard martin van marshall. Is there a french mindset that makes it harder to observe the rules. And i dont think so or maybe im just going to say before and before answering your question that maybe the 1st difference between france and germany was the. Reaction to facing this crisis in germany they ducked you. Master you just instructive you and in more loose love down in france we have. Not a massive distance right that you. Were a reserve for the good people and. There we are so good. And now we have a general. That may last something that after tomorrow maybe more than some some people that were down there can believe that you can keep people this way and there is no evidence today apart from that you stick with models that dinner or another is better than a specific like that so i think that we should in our the country to be able to have a massive 1st things right to do so p. C. R. Or so on addict osa and then out and proceed by spirits who fight look down maybe untruths to people in the country and i can say that i dont think there is a difference. In france and germany i think it what is different its the political discourse of the present my point and what the german president say i think we need to move from fear to trust we should trust people you should trust in there are in there are understanding and they can understand and theyre going better than one thing they can do yeah one phone call to. Steinmeyer spoke 10 days back he seemed to be all thinking that didnt get the menu and may call for employing martial language in his initial speeches were going to talk more about that in a moment 1st off northwest of where mark is there is the law then border town of carling and there theyve been keeping one essential service open its a report from france 24 dot com a web desk by sample. Of the data that you. Want to. Get on the. Rise or speaker neander you know who can walk again if. Hes on the call for you know 50 plus a few and i want you to look at the when you look at mystic i. Read a quote toward an over i dont scale in the family. Plan to really listen when you are to define the appeal and normally not. Look at it about you. Know none. Of us did yeah thats rich frontage and presents mission lot of auckland calling us. How fearful of that youre about to see shot santa it would leave because i want it would cause almost feels like they could just leave it to just you have to get to. Well thats like thats the transitions one tough hombre and one light on the. Issue of got referees i think ill just. Let you know im happy to talk to the good you took notes from just a kid. So a great example there of how innovative people capable can become in a crisis necessity being the mother of invention but as you mentioned a town from marshall in fact the border closures have caused a good deal of disruption serious disruption what would you say looking at cross border cooperation as a whole how healthy is Franco German solidarity in general. Basically am i thinking. We hear france and germany always have a different view on things but as we discuss together we can find a compromise and if we reach a compromise this often can beam down what will 4 of the of the Member States of the European Union to follow that is basically how i would like just described our partnership and im. Very specific partnership of course is the one we are having between arsonists and some of the western germany specification rodan because we are almost the same college youre on historically even and therefore. I really am very sad about the fact that we have had the board us close and this count to go on as i said in the beginning we must open again these borders of courses on them in gaining strict standards of hygenic measurement measures that is quite clear but we must meet again because that is the reason why in europe we build friendships we have a shana area all people can move can get together we have the students in the arrest was Program Europe has been done unity of common values of. Of democracies and that is the reason why the we can maintain that only if we come together if we talk together and if you have or as you talk in different way out your neighbor you even might have prejudices and you talk about people in which sooner or later you will not know any more and that is what we have to avoid in the. For you know across border cooperation i will fight for opening the borders again quite soon dr summer very after spending the last few days at emergency dispatch. Are you in favor of reopening the border. Well i think we. We have a slow soon or later we have to reopen the border but we what we should do 1st is the massive this strategy and finding that this way to do it is insert a logical test. Are we should we trust of this group because this some studies are in kentucky the struggle university how do you hurt my daughter marshall say thats going to take time are you saying in the interim keep the border shut well i think the border can we often after the 11th of may there are the end of the general left down in front i think it will be it will be before the it we often ng but must sooner i think are in his recent interview with the Financial Times i mean michael repeated what he said in a National Broadcast here in france a week ago and that is that coming out of this crisis humanity will be rethinking its priorities and that includes he says the European Union some amount that he did he concedes thats what he did you open it up or shes pretty well pushy democracy you need not want to process it and push it pretty close it up would you put it. The bow. It will punish if you get innocent the city decided to sue me for 5 pieces to the home of a certain boy but we put it a lot into the deal penzance it up with a promise to if you dont if you dont so let me ask 1st of our matter and financial and then daniel coinvented whether you agree with the french president and what that means quite concretely europes moment of truth more solidarity is germany going to have to put a lot more money on the table to ensure e. U. Recovery. Well i think. We are about to do that they theyre all euro finance ministers have agreed on 3 points frist had to strengthen the european stability mechanism so that kind of trees it might have difficulties to get access to money which could be true for especially for entirely when you have easy access to the easy as am i just for a sting and the 2nd that is for our companies is a Credit Program from the European Investment bank which i think is very important for small for medium size for Big Companies and then the 3rd thing is the stall count sure will graham that is to support people that. For the moment being i have no where but that could return to their original draw and indias meantime need some support in all these free programs germany is prepared to give guarantees these guarantees sum up to quite a big amount of billions of euros and i think that is a 1st step the 2nd step will be of course every calorie program which we mired in cruel in the next multi annual Financial Framework of the European Union and of course germany as biggest contributor in the European Union of met my own because now the United Kingdom has left as we are of all of the biggest net payer that will of course going to bits are they in solidarity with those that how we carry them i think these are important. Steps we are taking but of course we need to continue because it is also in our and the germany interest that the complete euro zone had that the European Union may. Janes stable thats where a lot of german exports go down you can bend it noticeable by omission in that list that to my town from marshall just gave us our of course joint european bonds to Fund Recovery isnt it time for germany to give up its longstanding resistance to mutualization of debt at least debt that will be incurred in future for recovery from this pandemic. Well when we heard some us or we see the problem you say we are germany is the biggest payer germany is the biggest net when that of the European Union not only the biggest may pay it and i think that all the debate now is you have to make a list then psychologically what it needs for italy it what it needs 1st day of part of the of greece or even other countries the problem is that italian when you hit they wanted to hear that for their recovery farm germany. Swith sweden they are prepared to risk something for their recovery and this is what i miss by. Teds america speech it is a yes of cold we will do all the solidarity but we wont risk the in the situation leg to put it in cullman a font for recovery is that germany we take with france with italy with spain with the out of the race of the big that mr dubrow see the commission and talks about one in the have been for their recovery you cant do this only if all the country out we are ready to go to guarantee this far for their recovery and say we guarantee with say we share the risk this is what the people lead did to lee in spain and other where they want to hear their share of the risk of the risk of are sharing that risk much much time from marshall if you change the name if you like will there be at the end some deal i noticed by the way are emanuel caught in here as the interview that interview with the Financial Times seemed to be hinting that. Theres something in the works between france and germany is germany ready to take that risk but then you can be in the talks about iran has made very clear that we hunted in big risk because these 3 programs which i mentioned before in the years and m. D. A. The European Investment bank and the sure program for a word go. Meaning that we guarantee that its more than a 10000000000 euros which we are prepared to lose in the worst case and all these 3 programs are not mantras for a germany but im meant to support those who have made difficulties now but when i was mentioning restarting about the future recovery plans i think that we will be able to find a way that the European Commission that is also true for the sure program for the purpose can. Get an image money of course the Member States because the European Union has not the trough of budget only the Member States or from the National Objects the Member States must always guarantee them and then the amount of guarantees and therefore also the amount the volume of 3 sprint germany in the future will be a lot bigger but let me point out one thing through the euro once i am absolutely convinced that even if we want to have a majority in the german parliament. The Constitutional Court in germany they would not accept such images lation because it exceeds it goes over their responsibilities we as palin and parents for the National Budget can not do what in the euro is no one has bailed on we can not give the bond chips to true true true europe it is all on National Responsibility and im quite. Curious to see how are you balance of these 3 programs which i mentioned before will be going on in the been destroyed by very very sure that the concerns are caught not would not accept such sure then we wanted them to require work on time then it can be indeed. The buck stops at germanys Constitutional Court now because its completely right you have 2 things 1st we have to increase our european invented by only in cuts you know you have the theo to comes this year only income means not that germany pay more that france play more that italy played more but that they are all incomes of europe and if get any of the c o 2. 00 tax it get the best it tax the digital tax and this would be an enormous increase of the european by debt and with this set type of increase you can guarantee more for the record of every cup and debt that the german cause has nothing to say because you had only rethought the export import in europe is only so or it doesnt go to one of the other countries so this is a furphy the 2nd thing the recovery funds. Coverage farm in this situation will be guaranteed by the european century by and in the European Center by guarantee your premier caught all the way back to the politics of the european said even if the German Central Bank say its not constitutional so im not so afraid of that youre this is a streak and so referendum out that theres a great novel let me cut all ties. With and i have the time let me cut that part of the discussion right there because id like to bring in dr cmyk now toward the end of the program to ask for your view dr but they are on how the e. U. Can play a constructive role in recovery you are sitting there in strasbourg in the city where the e. U. Parliament normally meets in fact it did not hold its last session in march it is currently closed and now the e. U. Has offered to the city of strasbourg to deal cope with 19 testing at the facilities of the parliament beyond that gesture what do you think is needed from the e. U. Well 1st i have to thank our german colleagues who are certain transfers of beijing in the ice eubanks im permuting us. Doing a continuing. Our job on saving people who are the only remaining ice you that that was really the really great acts and i want to thank german the german people you know im a poet yes im german colleagues what we need now and when i heard the discussion we. Are all invited to that what can your opinion do for. 4 european people what we need to hear its what europe of mean to me whats going to change how europe can change our health care. Is there how europe can change the situation of the people who have less their jobs and to pull no empirical north how how europe can help the people who are homeless so how we can move from. What was a division of the economy europe how can we move forward who are more integrated maybe more federal and maybe a more political europe. In which the social part and the ecology quote question will be i think that what we most need in the next that the next years the great citizens of our in our thoughts see america argue about by very at the heart of it all those 1st responders that you yourself work with every day i want to thank you so much for joining us today from the alsatian capital i want to thank as well Yvonne Marshall for being with us from berlin daniel convince us in frankfurt im falls for a few gal for france 24 in paris and i am melinda crane that forward out of l. A. In berlin and let me say thank you as well to all of our viewers for joining us on this premiere this joint edition of the debate were glad you could be with us and we hope to see you again soon bye bye. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good good. Good. Feeling williams in record time with passing the gas. It kills bacteria and stimulates the growth of healthier cell. Can its healing effects be increased. 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