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More tragedies but its. Also coming up he left prison today a free man Australias High Court has thrown out the conviction of Cardinal George pell 1st child sex abuse. I would like to pray for all those who suffer unjust sentences resulting from persecution. And to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with americans asking what is the coronavirus doing to our democracy it is a valid question especially today especially in the state of wisconsin residents there have been told by their governor to stay at home in order to slow the spread of the virus but at the same time they are being asked to go to the polling places and cast their vote was gone. President ial primary is taking place today the governor postponed the election yesterday but the u. S. Supreme court ruled against him wisconsin is now the 1st u. S. State to hold a president ial primary since the stay at home orders were issued for much of america test are critically important for we cannot sell our profiles to you instead of Campaign Rallies the 2 remaining candidates are pegged to their living rooms Bernie Sanders has fallen behind dramatically productive and front runner joe biden is struggling to land his attacks on President Trump only until yesterday at his press conference the president start to our grass the reality of what hes facing in terms of the number of potential dast the coronavirus pandemic has turned the election come pain upside down the White House Press Briefing Room has become trumps preferred we are about putting an optimistic president in the spotlight we have it so well under control i mean we really have done a very good job one day its like a miracle it will disappear and i hope we can do this by easter. I think that would be a great thing for a country and while soaring death tolls in the United States speak another language on twitter trump is bragging about his t. V. Ratings with more than 8000000 viewers tuning in every day theres one thing President Trump doesnt have to worry about and thats his Media Presence while joe biden has almost disappeared from american t. V. Screens President Trump simply turned his daily carone of briefings into Campaign Rallies reality former Obama Campaign adviser Spencer Critchley says the corona pandemic is doing more harm to the president than to democratic hopeful joe biden one of the things i would point to is the famous quote from Napoleon Bonaparte never interfere with your enemy when hes in the process of destroying him so that might sound a little bit calculating but in political terms President Trump is doing a great deal of damage to his own Reputation Service members while President Trump supporters still stand by his side the projected number of casualties could become a problem for the occupant of the white house. And for more now im joined by john who dacke he is Deputy Director of the center for effective Public Management at the Brookings Institution he is also an author and he has researched extensively into u. S. President ial power john is in washington d. C. Tonight john its good to have you on the day u. S. President drunk tweeted today urging people in wisconsin to go out and vote in this primary how does President Trump stand to benefit from the wisconsin president ial primary. Its hard to see a path by which President Trump benefits from the wisconsin primary i think it puts into contrast what a crisis the nation is going through right now and how unprepared we are to handle elections not just primary elections but this is going to come up again in november and i think the lack of preparedness that has not happened in a coordinated way from the federal level down through the states to the local level really puts that lack of leadership into a context that is broad an ominous prediction youre making there what do you think could happen come november come election day. Well if the virus comes back in the fall thats obviously going to create a Serious Public Health challenge for a lot of americans but i think too its important to recognize that there will still be fear within the electorate moving forward about coming into contact with others in terms of gathering in large groups and small places and i think states need to think seriously about how their absentee ballot rules and how other types of Ballot Access rules can affect voters willingness to turn out in november is there a movement in the United States to make the november election a complete mail in ballot election that everyone mils in their ballot instead of having to go to the polling places. Well in the United States states administer their own elections Even National level elections and so thats something that would have to happen on a state by state basis i do know that those conversations are happening and in governors offices across america not necessarily everyone but for instance i live in washington d. C. And our president ial primaries on june 2nd its been scheduled for june 2nd all along in the mayor of washington d. C. Put out a request that every voter in d. C. Request an absentee ballot and i think youre going to start to see governors following suit for their primaries and the november elections wisconsins governor tried to postpone todays primary but both the wisconsin and the u. S. Supreme courts said no you have to do deal do the primary election today viewers around the world they may be scratching their heads and asking why would the cords demand an election in the middle of a pandemic like this do you have an explanation. You know i think a lot of americans are scratching their heads too it all comes down to wisconsin election law and the laws firm and the day is set and the governor doesnt have institutional power to simply postpone an election and i think in a time like this you would want the governor to have that power but the laws written for a variety of reasons to limit gubernatorial strength and i think what it shows both wisconsin but other states is that we need to go back and reexamine our election laws and start to plan for the unexpected and to plan for situations like this. Voter turnout is not expected to be very good in wisconsin the head of wisconsins Democratic Party says that they will not be going out urging people to leave their homes to vote he says the republicans to do the same does holding a primary election in a pandemic does that automatically invite questions about the credibility of the vote in the credibility of the results i mean are we asking for you know a disaster after election day. I think it does raise questions about the legitimacy of the vote in wisconsin moving forward the Democratic National committee the republican National Committee can entertain challenges at their respective conventions as to the qualifications or the credentials of the states delegates and that can create quite a fight if it comes down to it and whats more challenging for democrats is that the Democratic National convention will be held in wisconsin all right john who has with the Brookings Institution tonight helping us understand why wisconsin is holding an election in the middle of a pandemic john we appreciate your insights tonight thank you thank you well tonight as World Leaders send get well messages britains Prime Minister Boris Johnson remains in stable condition in intensive care at a London Hospital johnson was admitted sunday evening with a high fever he tested positive for the corona virus 2 weeks ago and had been governing the country from self isolation it was only a month ago when Boris Johnson boasted of shaking hands with people at a hospital where 1000 patients were being treated he had his governments approach to the crisis well its raised eyebrows and its drawing criticism. Im shaking hands can decide that i was at a hospital the other night i think there are a few that are actually if you credit are as a patient and i shook hands with everybody youll be pleased to know that i continue to shake hands that you know im going to say this the best single thing we can do is wash our hands 2 verses of that all happy birthday hot water bars that this is the worst Public Health crisis for a generation you have to stay 2 metres apart you have to follow the social distancing ive developed models symptoms over the coronavirus its alright for more im joined now by alex forrest wanting alex spent years covering was mr and u. K. Politics she joins me tonight from here in berlin good evening to you alex youve been working your sources what do we know about the condition of the Prime Minister tonight well the very latest from his official Spokes Person in downing street that his condition is stable and he remains in intensive care for close monitoring and he said to be in good spirit says hes often said to be now we know that hes received standard oxygen treatment over the last 24 hours he has not touched i had have assistance with his breathing which is far as we know safe amins he has not had to be put on a ventilator and downing street previously said that the Prime Minister does not have pneumonia so all of the facts hes looking much better said from the Prime Minister hes not out of the woods yet and we cant emphasize enough just how serious this is that the british Prime Minister is still in intensive care yet he is in intensive care and that of begs the question who is in charge of the u. K. Tonight. Well thats a good question and his concern to many people particularly across the u. K. Dominic rob who is the foreign secretary and also the 1st secretary of state is acting on behalf of the Prime Minister at the moment that has been agreed a by the 2 men at that its still unclear exactly what powers he has he was at a press Conference Today where he was also repeatedly is he in charge until he could say was that he and the cabinets and those of the top ministers who he surrounds a Boris Johnson on at in unity they are taking corrective responsibility the problem is the longer the parties dont an ounce of action the mood difficult that may well become that will be decisions that will have to be made and somebody will have to make them and will that be dominant rob you know we just saw alex there a collection of sound bites with Boris Johnson and his infamous defiant stance towards the coronavirus it is a stance that some would say has landed him in intensive care in a London Hospital but we certainly hope that the Prime Minister recovers but once this pandemic is behind us do you think that the public in the u. K. Do you think that the public will demand answers about how this government prepared or did not prepare for this outbreak. Well sent me many questions have been on since over the last few weeks and there is already to look about them holding a Public Inquiry once this pandemic is under control and there are many things that have to be taken into account for example testing we know that the United Kingdom is still moment on top of testing enough people of the whether or not they have the coronavirus including those on the frontline so working for the National Health service that has been a big issue now the Health Secretary has said that by may there should be a 100000 tests a day many are wondering whether vaccine is possible and even today we have the chief medical officer for england chris witty has conceded that the u. K. Had a lot to learn from germany and questions about how germany has got so far ahead on testing theres also the issue of a quit meant there have not been a ventilator is in the u. K. In hospitals also many frontline staff have not had the correct equipment that they need be at mosques the proper clothing so there are many questions that need to be honest so far more than 6100 people and died in hospital from corona virus the highest number of deaths over the last 24 hours and those 24 hours have seen the highest number this continues to grow is a big problem for the United Kingdom and many questions still to be on food alex you and i we spoke on sunday evening about this situation and what struck us was that the the queen had delivered a message to the country the commonwealth and the world with a very positive outlook about the future after this pandemic and just an hour later came this shocking news that the Prime Minister has been admitted to the hospital i mean this is not what the u. K. Was expecting. No nobody was expecting it and i dont think it can be stressed enough that everybody was taken by surprise including his own cabinet so including those a top ministers who because everybody in downing street have been telling the press the Prime Minister is in good spirits and everybody seemed to be thinking this was just routine this would be ok and then suddenly were told that hes in intensive care and i think that it shook everybody particular to the queen had given a very stoic but positive message to the u. K. Which has been obviously hit very badly by coronavirus and then to find the british Prime Minister somebody has been except badly that hes in intensive care was a real shock now the queen has south has already been in touch with Boris Johnsons family including his partner she sent a message to carry symonds and shes pregnant with that child and runs that she has south has been suffering from coronavirus simpson so it just shows that coronavirus you know it doesnt take account of what she will face is a virus that nobody seems able to control including the british Prime Minister and weve got about a minute left i want to ask you about the cabinet members and the Prime Minister we understand that practically every one of the cabinet was shocked when they found out that Boris Johnson had tested positive for the virus the coronavirus and that they were also shocked when they heard that he had been admitted to the hospital. You know if he has been governing and working closely with members of his cabinet how is it possible then for them to be shocked by the news of him being sent to the hospital i mean it seems like theres a disconnect there. We have to remember the Boris Johnson was in self isolation so they went seeing him face to face and its become clear over the past 24 hours that they hadnt actually spoken to the Prime Minister since saturday but yes it did come as a huge shock to them and a big surprise and obviously those closest around him must have known that this was becoming more serious but he wasnt able to see people and it was then decided by his own dont say that he had to be it makes it that it may well have been difficult for that to have been speedily pashtuns in the cabinet so you know i dont think we can stress not just want to show you this has been to do everyone in the u. K. Including those closest around him you know all right my colleague alex for is winding tonight with the latest on the british Prime Minister Boris Johnson who is still in intensive care in a London Hospital alex thank you. In australia Cardinal George pell is a free man tonight to he left prison earlier today after all through years high court overturned his conviction for child sex abuse tell who was once a senior figure in the vatican was serving a 6 Year Prison Sentence he has always maintained his innocence at a mass in rome today pope francis did not mention pill by name he did however make a remark about the persecution of innocent people images that spock a vindication a high place and us off to 405 days in custody Cardinal George pell walks free from an australian prison into a monastery a decision felt acutely by sexual abuse survivors. Im just now. There are monsters and any earth for you now theres. Just been shot. Its its here. It was a year ago that the cardinal was convicted of sexually assaulting 2 choir boys in the 1990 s making it the most high profile case of alleged historical sex abuse to rock the Roman Catholic church the cardinal has always maintained his innocence. Whole idea of sexual abuse is power and to me in a statement he says he holds no ill will to his accuser stressing that he does not want his acquittal to add to the hurt and business so many feel his supporters in the church say theyve always believed in his innocence. And sense. An understanding of the man. When he said he was innocent accepted that but also accepted the processes of the courts has come to its conclusion. The decision came from a strongly its highest court marking the end of a complex 3 year legal battle there were no celebrations from the vatican but at mass on cheese day the pope or a cold the persecution that jesus suffered. I would like to pray for all those who suffer unjust sentences resulting from persecution and the. Further work whites pals of lawyers as a number of civil suits are seeking compensation for his alleged failure to protect children from pedophiles or napoleon now our religion and ethics correspondent martin jack he joins me from berlin tonights good evening to you martin you know when the cardinal when he was going when he was convicted and sentenced to prison many in australia and some in the Catholic Church said this would give closure especially to perils victims alleged victims and their families what does the high courts decision today do. Well i mean it certainly overturns that whole and it basically. States that the burden of proof that was on deck users had not been met so what high court so there was a very serious possibility that in unison person would be convicted this actually what the. What the verdict says and for that reese and right recent dowd still exist there for the conviction was thrown out so that they overturned the lower courts decisions and what we think is a little bit they were saying that the jury the court had made a mistake correct what they actually said was very specifically that there were 3 very strong indications. That. Accused her. Story was not the full story and that there was actually enough of an opening for recent of all doubt so in a sense i mean this is sort of the 1st faked the perfect. So to say response or the perfect reaction in some way to sort of what we have heard a lot from the me too movement which is essentially at any cost the victim should be should be believed what the High Court Says is that. Accusation its not enough that what you need the burden of proof demands actually that these things be shown to be the case beyond a reasonable doubt what they see. Davey against it not amount to conviction and although generally australian courts high courts had been very very few overturning juries trail the jury so i mean there and there are very digs in this case what they so really said that if instead what we say and ted was not. Listen. Mark the signal there is frozen martin can you hear me. For she looks like we have lost martin this time over time martin lets try it can you hear me yeah like it yes yes hey can i can hear you ok very good ok good let me ask you this what is this yes yes ok now weve got the signal back what does this mean for the Catholic Church this decision to throw out the conviction well you know sense i mean very conservative parts of that got to look church will feel be indicated by by the sentence at the very same time it does put a very serious dent in sort of in the attempt of the church to sort of clean itself and show its show it didnt face and what about the survivors i mean there you know that survivors across the world the people the legions of people who say that they were abused by the churches clergy. Look i mean there he said very very serious sense of this appointment i mean you know ultimately it east that the court that has to these side criminal cases that at the very same time there is such a sense that an injustice has been committed here that you know these puts the church in a very difficult position i mean a decent relation to this particular case because its just not really it will not pay for a church that has been under siege for all these seers for massive sexual abuse to gloat. Around these days if we till so i think that d. C. s actually a victory very said pyrrhic victory a very costly victory and its a very very delicate road ahead particularly what will happen with Cardinal Pell and the pope today he did not mention mr pell the cardinal by name but he did talk about the he said he was praying for those who have been for the innocent who have been wrongly persecuted are we reading too much into him when we we hear some analysts saying that he was speaking about the pell case with that comment how did you read. No i mean i think dont think we are as a matter of fact i mean most of the special ice press and people that had been following had been following the trial pretty much were convinced that that would be acquitted many people are surprised that he was acquitted so late in the process i need to sunder stude that the recent way that we dont came so late is because it was a trial by jury but the evidence was actually inconsistent david and so against him so i think that the pope piece indeed looking at these looking at the story of this trial and essentially claiming a victory but hes doing it in a way that is trying to be delicate dope early not delicate enough and he present he said high representative of the church ultimately all right our ethics and religion correspondent Martin Jacques with the latest on this surprising turn thank you very much mark. Well the day is almost done the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter either good news you can follow me at t. V. 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