Imposed borders in many places closed on large scale events such as football matches consoles amid all the uncertainty those who count to staying at home leaving streets eerily deserted others despite warnings of stockpiling so until the point we ask coronavirus is it out of control. Well welcome in worrying times too to the point here at the w in with me in the studio to discuss our Global Crisis is a hollow son whos written extensively on the coronavirus for the berlin based daily devalued she says we dont have to worry about controlling our fear right now we have to worry about controlling the spread of this virus also with us is out on our drive was a correspondent for germanys net. Work but shes a specialist on german domestic politics and china a country she knows very well and already out of believes that 1st china needed help now china is helping others on the very warm welcome to 2 multi laming author and Senior Editor thats another leading berlin paper target spiegel husseins after the 911. 00 terror attacks and the 2008 financial crisis this is the 3rd major upheaval of this century. Thank you all for being here people are about to begin with you and the virus continues to spread here in germany so id like to ask you about one of those quintessentially german words how much of it is there. I think. People on panicking yet there is no reason to do this that does point. But we should all be really prepared for weeks to come and we should really be well informed we should really know why our government is taking some measures now it does moment that doesnt for some people doesnt look so bad yet because we have as i checked this morning read like 2000 cases recognized cases of koran of errors infection in germany for many people that doesnt look so bad only 3 people in germany had died i thought of this mornings bug so americans serve the scientists who told her that up to 70 percent of the population is likely to be infected that sounds scary to me that this here in germany that is scary but 60 to 70 percent of people will be infected but we dont know which timeframe it could be and one year and that would be really really bad it could be in 2 or 3 years also it could be stopped if you find a vaccine of a fine some medicine that can chew a disease but if we dont find this of course 2 thirds of the population will in some point and some point get as virus because nobody is immune to this virus and one. Person who is infected with an insect like 2 to 3 others so only when 2 thirds of the population had been infected and at immune odds are that. The virus will not signed enough people to infect so it will slow down shortly after does. What were trying to do now here in germany and what every country should do is trying to extend to period of time as long as possible to flatten the epidemic curve as long as possible remember im as we do so you go to special connection to china this is where you know as far as we know this was this broke out or at least it was you know we heard about it 1st coming from Southern China what you say about it. Oh well the merging of one city and province of kobe the 1st 3 weeks of 4 weeks after the end of december when it was 1st detected were kind of nobody talked about it in china besides some doctors so that was a dangerous period and so it was like the top of the local government the provincial government the City Government they covered it up and then only after 2 or 3 weeks they they realized how big the danger is and then they switched to complete strict measures so they that the locking down of knocking down the whole province of and and then also taking strict measures and the whole of china and that lat at the end this very very strict measures which only you know if the tarion regime can take that lab to now well if we believe the figures we know today that they at least for the moment they they are able to cope with the virus and so the clinics the provisional clinics they set up and theyre close now the big picture is all over and i think also part of the narrative is that being visited so its kind of he declared war on the virus and now kind of the war the war in china is now a kind of one for the moment and. Thats what he likes to what he likes to tell the country but to tell the world thats also one part of offering help to others which is very positive its a big help because in china the lot of production sites would produce all these like masks and so on but also its a sign of now we are able to give you help you need like italy where they send subject of mosques and also send medical experts months or do so as a journalist and as a citizen so whats going on around here in germany and in the world at large. 1st of all i think there is no unst in germany right now the prevalent thing is no no no right right now the problem feeling is that of insecurity but this is partly due to the nature of this virus because many things are unknown how many percent got infected how many will die from it and so on and so on so that youre always talking about ranges from 0. 5 to 3. 4 per cent and things like that so nobody really knows what is going on so that thats what i think that that the key form for answering this crisis is with honesty and clarity government should be honest about what they know what the plans are and why they should inform the public on a daily basis not just once at a press conference like the chance that it will in a daily basis because everything is changing the people want to know what is happening if there is a closure will it last for 2 weeks will it be longer will it be extended and things like that and even though if you dont know things just talk about the things you dont know i think that is one of the key elements and if the last thing i would say is globally i dont think that the wall does understand that were talking about a Global Crisis every nation tries to find a solution for itself and i think this is part of the problem in china they did it they they do it in iran and italy in the European Union they do the United States but we are talking about a Global Crisis but effects potentially everybody because the public before you would proceed last year you mention the United States and u. S. President donald trump has suspended travel now from europe to the u. S. He talked of strong necessary restrictions lets just listen for a seconds to what he had to say then come back and talk about it a little bit more donald trump the u. S. President to cases from entering our assures we will be suspending all travel from europe to the United States for the next 30 days the new rules will go into effect friday at midnight and these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade in cargo but various other things as we get approval. When you make those comments. I think trump made made some very bad mistakes and i think the crisis in the United States is about to develop. Im afraid it will be worse than other countries the 1st case was detected on general 20 thought. From that time to the end of february at the beginning of march he had just 500 cases in 14 states that were tested just a comparison in south korea that 100000 cases to be tested in that area of time so very very few people have been tested were talking about a country where you have 28000000 People Without Health Insurance were talking about a country of the quarter of laborers who have no. Paid leave if they are sick. So i think the worst is still to come a freight that closing the border for europeans wont help a lot because i dont think that europeans. Should be to to this cause and and thats interesting because the u. S. President mr trump he also said that you are a pad to quote fails to take the same precautions is the u. S. In combating the coronavirus effective. Im sorry but this is lame game has started this is completely ridiculous i mean the virus is already in the United States they have a mess of outbreaks all the scientists think that they already have a mess of outbreaks in the seattle area at least that they have not detected it because theyre all theres almost not testing going on in the United States so they dont have to fear about a virus getting into the country its already did have to be varied about recognizing virus and finding the cases isolating the cases and taking care of sick people that will show up very very soon in masses like we are seeing and also italy the last i think italy that had just committed to same mistake didnt recognize that the demick when it started in their country they recognized the epidemic when the. 1st very very sick critically sick people showed up in hospitals and started dying and thats why they have so so many hundreds of people but you know ok italy is the european country worst affected by the virus is imposed tough measures in a desperate bid to prevent further loss of life lets have a look. Bilin venice and rome these otherwise bustling cities are like ghost towns the residents have to stay at home nobody is allowed outside without good reason Public Events have been cancelled schools universities theaters and museums are closed anyone caught violating the restrictions may be fined or even jailed. But do the tally and think of peace measures. Like inmates at home not being able to go out to do things not being able to use your time but we have to keep with the measures and the law there are some point of the coronavirus has to come so be it i am young and i can handle it as i was a firecracker clearly thought. Some of the video we are all worried let me ease up without being alarmist and without hysteria you can when you get beat. Its a nice thing nonchalance is no help to the coronavirus has struck its industrial heart a hard blow to a country already struggling with the economic crisis. This may be a preview of things to come as other countries battle the virus country in quarantine but will all the precautions prove effective with iran are 2 questions will approve work precautions prove effective and is the lockdown justified thats very complicated tonsil so if i take the comparison with china the lockdown was in was affective so yes to a certain extent it is effective to just just basically prohibit all the contact social contacts its all about social contacts and if you just stop it then that seems to be a fact of thats the that we can learn from china like all my friends in beijing weve been like kind of care and not as bad as a lot also been there like in house and only leaving with maybe one other person cycling walking and empty streets. Beijing was not bought a beijing there was a. Cases compared to. The Chinese Government with its very very strict measures made it possible that it didnt spring over very bad it stands to beijing or to shanghai to the other big cities of metropolis of china so yes it is effective on the other side it is it is hard especially in democratic countries like ours where we used to have our individual freedom it seems to be very strict and its its very hard to understand i think its easier to understand in china if the government says you dont leave your house the Neighborhood Committee says you dont leave your house you dont leave your house because the the state police will be there anybody will be inquiring late and you know that you will be punished for that and thats different which is which is good i dont want to say that i want to have a child a system here but thats a little bit of a problem why its so difficult for us to accept my opinion and that seed with my person in the u. S. To consider him to do so did i mean were going to have a look down here in the next in the next week or 2 were going to go down the same process this election were going to win over you know if it turns on the how how the virus in germany will develop and we just dont know yet how old will the probabilities that the child come out and said we might have half of the population being affected but one has to be on the stand and behold us and just talk about it we have to flatten the curve i mean 100 cases in the week might be worse than a 1000 cases in the month because just people because thats all what you have to do and thats what people have to understand its not to avoid any kind of of chance that you get infected by it it is to avoid that too many people get infected at once because then the burden for the other for the system is just too high i would like im completely agree i would like to add to that people have to understand that were dealing here with exponential growth so if you have 100 cases in one week it will not be measured 1000. 00 cases a month but like every 3. 00 to 4. 00 days so you have 100. 00. Cases on monday you have 200 on thursday 400 on sunday and so on and so on so everybody can do the math and can look at this at this curve said were dealing with and divorce here in germany is exactly the same virus as an utterly contagious as an attorney. As an attorney and its the same virus all over the world it has not mutated as we know up yet we dont see scientists dont see any really important mutation so its exactly the same virus that the whole world is dealing with now and doesnt behave differently and italy and south korea and south korea is mentioned quite well italy is not mentioned well so it depends on us it depends on every country how how we deal with us how we deal with this epidemic how we get people to stay at home how we get people to really practice social distancing not to get close to the last ones its really hard its hard not to have your friend the question is are people going to play along i mean angloamerican yes we dont know americans she says she said yesterday solidarity common sense in our hearts for one of the being put to the test i hope we will pass the test it all sounds drastically desperately sentimental to me as far as our you know this is this is an existential crisis possibly in the American People behave badly it is up to everyone it was up to everyone to take the right decision and yeah as you tell. Everybody and also we didnt shake hands today when we met here so everybody should should we just have to learn how to cope with security. Fears are still people say about the germans every everybody is ok about everything in germany as long as everything is ok. Right but you dont know what. The violence will be with us the next fall the next winter next year we just dont know and we dont know how for example hold behaves. We havent told yet about 1300000000 People Living in africa we have outbreak and how it behaves in the warmer conditions we just dont know but the. Were talking of washing our hands with warm water and soap and avoid social contact yet lets look to the metropole the cities and some of african areas where people live very close have no one water no soap we just dont know how do we have to think ahead yes about what a Global Crisis needs a Global Solution as well as we think ahead to what extent should we not just be worried about the threat to Public Health through the virus but the threat to society to the fabric of society im talking about. You know what im talking about i know but i think we have to learn how to be flexible. The next day could be a new situation the following day could be very new situation and we have to be flexible we have to be honest to each other what we know and what we dont know people have to be informed and sometimes you have to say we do it for the next 14 days we cant assure the we have to not really long and for the next 4 weeks so so we have to be innovative why not have telemedicine people talking to a doctor online. Education that if schools are closed people just cant continue with the education and so on and so on so i think a lot of us. Is asked from us as a society but i think we can week we should be able to cope with that now is a start and its not useful to have a blame game like here its china its europe its iran all they didnt do the right things so thats why im kind of. Like shaking my heart about what tom said we would have talked about it because he said its like foreign virus yeah and viruses coming from europe and he closed borders for europeans but not for europeans but for shane states which makes it even more more apparent occulus because the u. K. People can can can travel freely and people from from not states so that tells us. Its a virus its not like looking at a border like oh no thats a border. So its not very rational ok lets shift the focus when it comes to the Global Economy there are huge fears plummeting revenues stock markets in freefall supply bottlenecks rising unemployment so will the coronavirus trigger a global recession. This is this is one of situation i cant remember ever experiencing anything like it. When the call of you know if the coronavirus starts picking up speed and paralyzes other countries around the world in the worst Case Scenario it could lead to a World Economic situation similar to what we had in 2008 or 2009 to do it to a local interest was enough to. Day for day around the world share prices are dropping lower and lower analysts hardly dare to predict how much farther theyll fall. In many places production has come to a halt supply chains are broken down or hit bottlenecks the damage so far is incalculable. The International Air transport association anticipates losses in the billions of euros for airlines. Everywhere major events and trade fairs are being canceled over 100. 00 in europe alone among them at the Geneva Motor Show and the nightstick book fair. The Tourism Industry has already put untold losses many tour operators are struggling to survive. Is the coronavirus a major disaster for the Global Economy. Your question is a major disaster for the Global Economy i think a very short answer is yes it is a disaster and we the probability is high that we that we will face a recession the question is how will the world cope with this i mean if we if we look back to the financial crisis in 2008 in the fall of 2008 or it was in november. We had the 1st huge g. 20 summit in washington of the states coming together and looking for a solution for that in the spring of 2009 they decided upon a huge package of 1 point one trillion dollars to help the World Economy and come out of this mess so we we have to be able to find a Global Solution to this crisis in terms and the financial crisis well i mean we have a Health System crisis and a financial crisis coming together and this is this is explosive. Where do you see the solution coming from a girl going back to the chinese the chinese seem to be implying the very very very. We in the west were. Not really the rain i think talking about the economy china does not know yet how to solve the. Economic problems either so thats the next question the Health System was for us 1st and thats just false moment it seems to be kind of. At least for the moment in china but then the economy we dont know because china is a also an explanation so it is also dependent on this national global. Trade and so on germany is as europe is as the United States are so so its very very hard now to predict to what extent all these like global traits to what extent the global trade system is affected for me its very hard to predict what will what will go on have a year from now but it will be a fact that it is a disaster and every country now and thats europe as a as the European Union they have to talk about how to help companies how to help Small Companies how to help like selfemployed people and that not off theyre like have a year of the countries without money for example half of the companies have to have have to close all people and all paid people cannot pay the wrens and its a whole bunch of of things which can happen so thats up to National Governments in the end and talk about. The European Union to solve these questions now. At the moment theres not just a corona crisis theres an oil crisis in the background somewhere theres a refugee crisis theres a crisis on the Financial Markets what is your explanation for why that has all come together like a perfect storm. I dont know maybe. I dont think that does virus has any i gin. Has chosen this time to show up for i think anything that maybe other things are more connected to each other but im a science reporter so i dont really like to comment on a commercial quality of course i divide it definitely doesnt have a virus doesnt have an agenda but it can make things worse for example the refugee crisis and when we already talked about how it started that the virus was called the chinese virus the european virus and there are right wingers unless both in the greek and who said its a refugee virus they bring the boys with them so the blame game has already started and that makes matters worse if you have a recession and rising unemployment were talking different terms about immigration and refugees and problems like this so i think many problems that we are facing when were dealing with might get worse through the virus and also being indicted for democracy at the end that like you can observe what. Its like closing borders seems to be so tempting because it seemed to be so so logic at the at the 1st sight it is the country but people like like right wing is might be might think that thats the solution to a lot of problems theyve always sort of time again refugees nationalism. And now finally they can they they say they think they can fight the virus at least with words closing borders and i think thats also a danger we probably will face in some time that were talking about the danger to democracy but they have a very soon notice on the us that that doesnt work. Very slim ok you guys have been pretty o. B. To have to say today is. Intriguing a question we asked to the top of the show is corona virus is the dose of control is it out of control. No i think its not out of control yet i mean some countries really show that it can be controlled as can be contained it can be slowed down the spread of the virus and some countries definitely it looks worse by the i wouldnt say its an all countries its all of control its not ok well have to move our friends from friends very very much for joining us today here on to the point its been a difficult topic ill be giving you plenty of food for thought if so come back next week until then bye bye round trips. To. The. Do you experience range anxiety these 2 electric cars should ease your concerns. On the rim challenge the cure or the kids who not only feature on. Contact the metro s. U. V. Against a heavy cruiser. Is the comparison unfair or just david versus goliath read. To minutes total you. Want to see whats going on the knowledge of the emergence of the you know what back to the fight at. 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