To be sure intelligence is about big data data data and accounting data we have to be very careful to understand how it is that our creator that we created it and what can we do with it and technology is always new truck it depends on what we may prevent we have strengths when it comes to business basis ignored and lots of industrial high quality. Produce right now an enormous amount of precious ip years of potential innovations. Untapped potential we have to unleash is it your best way for industry stops you know. We remain. Also coming up tonight the u. S. Justice pardon me and him and him and him yesterday they were disgraced public figures behind bars today theyre free and the newest foot soldiers declaring war on the system that put them behind bars a moot point is that right from the Justice System that too often the persecution presence of people. Over sentence people show rumors and who are in positions that have no accountability when they wouldnt really want. To our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the you. Or p n hi tech challenge how to be a referee and a star player at the same time today the European Union outlined its plans to boost its Digital Economy what does that mean making europe less reliant on the tech giants which are almost all u. S. Companies thats what it needs now it sounds ironic but in the run up to todays announcement the c. E. O. s from Facebook Google and other u. S. Tech giants they were in brussels meeting with e. U. Leaders they reportedly discussed future regulation and data Privacy Protection areas where europe in stark contrast to the u. S. And china is the standard bearer it takes john reman just 10 minutes to find a match in the database. The dutch police have been using facial Recognition Technology for 4 years and they say they cant do without it in this database of known criminals are 1300000 people with 2200000 pictures so every time youre arrested for a certain fact your picture is taken your fingerprints are taken and your personal details are taken and all these faces and up in these criminal database the system help them to arrest 100 people in the course of just one year despite the obvious advantages for police only half of e. U. Countries are making use of some type of facial Recognition Technology france and germany for instance are already experimenting with real time surveillance but legal regulations across the e. U. Are diverse the e. U. Commission wants to open the debate and provide guidelines for all Member States but their policy paper doesnt address the threat seriously enough according to Patrick Pryor a Green Party Member of the european parliament. Im sad that the original idea of the commission to consider a moratorium on facial surveillance has simply been removed because that all of been the idea to put peoples interests 1st and to evaluate technology properly because before it is being used and employed on the mosque the dutch police on the other hand are satisfied with the results of their system and even plan to create it by the end of this year in some cases this is the only interest of kate that you will have only an image of a person and nothing else and all these cases end up as cases that we can all do in the investigation with. To go further Data Protection laws must be considered and the guts police are convinced that a public debate is long overdue if the full potential of facial recognition has to be explored. More tonight im joined by your governor he is the cofounder and chair of the German Association for Artificial Intelligence that is the organization that represents ai companies here in germany youre good to have you on the show before we talk about ai lets look at the entire European Tech sector for a moment you today we heard a lot about the problems that europe has but the solutions that we heard they were really in the minority how did you see. I think in europe we have a good history of research in. And getting value out of data unfortunately we were not able to make benefit out of it to bring these technologies into production as fast as the companies and especially the Large Companies in the u. S. And even china did so they they have bypassed us and now the challenge is. To catch up and. To get into a status where you peon Companies Research institutions and governments. To be competitive in this area so when the European Commission president of the lie and when she says we want to European Solutions in the Digital Economy do you understand or what does she mean i think this is exactly what we are requesting as a German Ai Association as well so we have to join forces not only in one country but in the whole European Union we have to collect data we have to gather data we have to be able to exchange across the border and use the states to implement and generate new types of applications that innovative and that create the basis for future Economic Growth and wealth and what youre saying there is that. Steps should be taken to make more of a leader in high tech and less of a follower do you think that something that can be achieved top down because when we talk about Silicon Valley for example were talking about people in their garages Founding Companies but thats not what were talking about here in europe. On the one hand we need this crust European Market so we have to make sure that a company that residing in one country is able to use data from other countries and to sell the applications to other countries as well and to grow and. Right now we are as you said we are a little bit behind and the efforts necessary to get support from the European Union and as stated. And the papers that have been popular today that we put a huge effort on getting investments getting new companies to grow new start ups in the ai sector that become european and even Global Global leaders we know that its difficult to foresee the downsides of Technological Innovations i mean if we consider facebook for example all of the data play there has created enormous challenges for our democracies even for the integrity of our elections how do we avoid that from happening with Artificial Intelligence. I think its the same as with any other new technology so we have to be carefully observed. The positive as well as the potential negative outcomes of such a new technology and if necessary and of really necessary we have to develop new regulations and maybe even laws in order to cope with a totally new situations and challenges do you think before we run out of time the European Union wants to promote responsible approaches to Artificial Intelligence but does that word responsible does that mean you cant be competitive when youre trying to compete against you know cheap countries or countries like china. I think 1st of all we have to focus on on really getting competitive against these with these companies in the Global Market and secondly we have to look at regulations and to even use this regulations in a way that we provide and develop better educations better and this can be a competitive advantage but it isnt the case that the competitive advantage automatically automatically comes with stricter regulations. From the German Association for Artificial Intelligence your we appreciate your insights tonight thank you thanks for having. We have computed the sense of Rod Blagojevich he served 8 years in jail that was a tremendously powerful media killis at least in my opinion so i just pardon bernie kerik a man whos had many recommendations from a lot of good people we have mike milken whos gone around and done an incredible job for the world with all of his research on cancer and hes done this and he suffered greatly he paid a big price paid a very tough price i think a lot of people have been treated very unfairly. Well that was the u. S. President commenting on his latest pardoning frenzy the list of convicts receiving pardons from the president is getting longer my next guest tonight says that this is the latest proof that the independence of the u. S. Justice system is under attack james robonaut is an attorney and the author of several books including ballots and bullets as well as january 1983 watergate roe versus wade vietnam and the month that changed America Forever james also teaches legal ethics together with john dean who was former president Richard Nixons white House Counsel im happy to welcome back to the day James Romanov james its good to see you again you and i last spoke i was looking today it was september of 2018 a lot has happened since then with this Trump Presidency weve had impeachment and impeachment trial acquittal now weve got a frenzy of president ial pardons how do you describe this presidency in your legal ethics symon our well i think we. Say that this is very much like the nixon presidency i do the seminar with john dean who was his white House Counsel into eventually was responsible for bringing down the only president in American History nixon resigned or he was impeached in there a lot of similarities between nixon and trapped in the way they run things that are both authoritarians and they have a way of trying to get around. The perhaps the most famous president ial pardon is gerald ford pardoning Richard Nixon after the watergate scandal usually u. S. President s they use their pardoning power just before they leave office here weve got President Trump in the middle of a term heading for Reelection Campaign and setting white crime White Collar Crime convicts freen that how do you read that. Well i think its a message for roger stone and oh man a 4 these are all the people that he wants to pardon so that they dont spend time in prison essentially for the motor report and so i think this is a mess these are message part and thats why hes done this you know president s have very Unlimited Power to pardon because all the way back to our founders saying that the president should have this Unlimited Power its not reviewable in Court Congress can overdo it its really where the broadest powers the president asked its been used by demo for the years for various things like industry after the vietnam war to various other instances but in this case its clearly a message these are message parts. Trump is standing behind his attorney general william barr and you are im sure are aware that there are calls for bard to resign do you have faith in bar protecting the Justice Department from white house intervention. No i dont because theres been a lot of white house intervention at this point and he has vowed to to it the problem is with the attorney general theres been a policy since watergate that the people in the Justice Department should not be bothered by the people in the white house when it comes to investigations because it looks like youre them having political reasons for interfering with an investigation it should be independent that policy has been followed since watergate and its a strong policy currently though there are been several instances where the president has intervened and it is it is a real problem here in the United States because people who work for the department of justice have asked for bars resignation as a result and its a crisis moment for you when you say its a policy but theres no way to enforce this policy is there i mean the president you know he can choose to respect the policy or choose not to but either way hes not doing anything thats outside of the legal realms that hes given by the constitution right. Well youre exactly right article 2 gives him very broad power hes they had a Law Enforcement but there are really 22. 00 ways to reign it in 20 is obviously the impeachment hour if he goes beyond what people think is appropriate or or proper he could be impeached for it we saw what just happened there the other is if this literally was into a criminal act an obstruction of justice a president could Face Criminal Charges after hes he or she is out of life is for obstructing justice and if you have a corrupt purpose. And you you interfere in a judicial proceeding that could be obstruction of justice well i mean if im hearing you correctly then what were looking at its it would be possible even before the election for another impeachment process to be started if the house of representatives if they said yeah go ahead yeah they absolutely could and theres no limit on how often the congress can impeach a president that house has the ability to do it in their sole discretion so they could bring in other impeachment politically it would be suicide to do so and i dont see it happening before the election doesnt mean it couldnt happen after. Life you take a listen to what the former governor of illinois had today mr well go of its what he said after he was released from prison. And you know the whole bunch of mistakes that he wrote in office no lines in the things i talk about the legal in this is politics im going to fight it is different from the Justice System that too often positions in precedence. Over sentence people show no mercy. I mean this is a man who was convicted. For trying to sell a u. S. Senate seat and there this theres no sound of repentance in his voice and do you think that trumps pardons are they going to make White Collar Crime wrongdoers more likely to shrug off the threat of being arrested and possibly facing conviction well it certainly could with people who are high enough trumps radar screen but for most white collar criminals its not going to make a difference because theyre not theyre not going to be up for pardons in any way in which is interesting is this debate happened there went forward nixon there is a Supreme Court case that suggests very strongly that if you accept a pardon you are accepting your guilt in some preempt bread that the former governor to come out and say you know he didnt do anything wrong by accepting that he really is accepting his guilt thats thats part of what the Supreme Court is true to dont want to get your opinion before we run out of time on the report that came out today julian assan who could be extradited to the United States soon and his attorney today in a london court saying that donald trump offered julian a songe a pardon in return for julian a songe saying that russia had nothing to do with the attack on the Democratic National committees email server before the election if that is proven to be true the white house has denied it if its proven to be true that would be a clear abuse of power what and a peaceable offense yet. Yeah absolutely and the way i describe it to people is the president has Unlimited Power to pardon but take for example somebody literally gave the president bribe to be part and the president stepped that would be a criminal act whether hes president or not it would be the subject it would be a high crime or misdemeanor pietschmann purposes and once out of wapas if the statute of limitations hasnt run it could be that the reason for prosecuting somebody so its its not a limited to the extent there can be done in blatant violation of law and if somebody like Julian Assange has been offered a pardon exchange for lying about something that begins to look very much like a bride to be i think a lot of people would agree with you james pro bono is always saying its good to talk with you we appreciate your insights thank you. Thank you. Both the Berlin Film Festival or the belly nala as its better known is the most important cultural event here in the german capital he gets underway on thursday tomorrow after a few significant changes behind the scenes heres a preview of whats in store this year. Waiting in the same long lines for Film Festival fans but something theyre all too used to steal this year spell in all it will be unlike any other. As the festival celebrates its 70th anniversary its also under new management carlos subtle your aunt mary address and back have taken over and theyve already started to leave their mark on the belly knowledge of the 2 new directors have brought some changes to the festival. Including a slim down lineup and up brand new film category. Why because cinema is bigger the comes bigger and bigger is more pervez if it is everywhere 3 maker the stretch the sense of the form so i think that. One single screen. Very good one like the one of the 1000000000. 00 is not enough to tell these they versity 800. 00 films are competing for the golden bear the festivals biggest price many of them deal with provoking subjects. For existence bellina alexanderplatz bible one called bonnie is a remake by stone the 929 novel by alfred. In the new version francis a refugee attempts to start a new life in the german capital thats going to go into africa south was he has to reconcile himself with reality as the stream of a clear way forward unravel it will be called the word history. Was sally potus from the roads not taken doesnt make life much easier for shut out father neo geo ok. Start with elle fanning and santa how york. Times have. A daughter molly is worried about her father whos hallucinations and wandering mind have taken up toll on their relationship. Thank you for was. And another subject has overshadowed this years spending on the nazis a german reporter just uncovered a scandal on home turf the Film Festival inferential 1st director. Was a Leading Light in hitlers cinema industry festival organizers want independent researchers to find out the historic facts. This year the worlds biggest festival for cinema go us has plenty of surprises something friends can count on is cinema royalty and the flash of cameras on the red carpet as the berlin wall is celebrating its 70th anniversary a lot has started to move shining a light on the past of the festival is as important as figuring out its future development the new management is addressing these challenges a new departure for the balance and every respect. Well you know when you know theres never a good Film Festival without a good skin tone but this year the scandal was not about a film but a former festival director and the master of scandal himself my life where hes here hes always got good dirt so tell me about the new what is it not see revelations about berlins 1st film director alfred bauer yeah who is the film historian he was the 1st directed Film Festival around the festival for 25 years. And was sort of an iconic figure they had a prize named after him and so forth after after he died the the revelations are incredibly serious they suggest or seem to prove that he was not only a member of the nazi party but he was also a really high Ranking Member of the as i film the instance which was the nazis film Propaganda Division and so responsible for producing and hes a medic propaganda prowar you know going to know this when he was you know thats the thing its seems to be he that he covered up a lot of it and that he whitewashed his his own past and looks apparently again dont need to make allegations but that that maybe people looked away there was supposed to even be a book published about his his life in time for the 70th anniversary that was quickly pulled after some of these were of revelations came out because it seems like the book was trying to propagate some of the apparent whitewash version of his life that he presented but yeah obviously a major major scandal and and yeah and a bit in opportune to come out just before the end i mean it is its certainly bad p. R. I mean do you think its going to have a negative impact on the. I think its not a damper on i mean nobody wants to have a 70th anniversary when you find out the guy who started the party whos a nazi i mean its what i have to say is the response from the new management of the better now has been exemplary they immediately responded they mediately suspended this prize its named after him theyve since renamed it and they have started theyve commissioned an independent investigation into the history with a very respectable institute in munich thats going to look in. This history and well reporting their findings by the sun you know you know were talking weve seen many of these Film Festivals i think youve covered about what 20 years of the anybody so i mean when you look at the films this year what are you most excited about well. About these have the big Film Festivals is sort of the extremes that you get 2 completely different films theres one huge hollywood film is going to premiere here on board its a pixar animation movie really excited to see that love pixar you know if theyll go around the world series thats great everybody else will be one the 1st people to see it 1st and then on the critics the extreme other side extreme art house movies a russian film called dow da you know its like an art house experiment out of the truman show of course this is a real life truman show they treat they took big they created complex in ukraine put people in that hundreds of people for 3 years film for 3 years and during those 3 years they were pretending or acting out roles as if they were in soviet russia for 3 years they filmed it 247 a 0 and theyve created a film out of it i have no idea what to expect and what its definitely not going to be something ive ever seen for you looking forward to hearing your review about that scott roxboro as always thank you for bringing us the scoop as well as the scandals. 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