Countrys highly controversial policies. And theyre brought. In cali welcome to comfort zone thank you lets start with mr jones trip to washington a couple of weeks ago. He went to change minds to change influential minds in the United States to talk about the justification for your military action in syria but he appears to have failed to change those minds comprehensively why did that happen do you think but for us to visit went well actually we have a Good Relationship with a trumpet ministrations some people that the congress will be with trump rather than movement a straight well if you want to make that distinction thats for domestic american politics. To comment about but obviously some people in the congress have a different view the ones he hoped to influence had a different year and our president made a very clear case actually for why we went in there because our goal has been to clear our border with syria from more terrorists elements for a better isis or related groups but they werent buying it were they well i think theyre meeting members of the Republican Party senator Lindsey Graham for instance chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee he seems to have particularly angered your president by talking about the military action as an invasion but what did you expect while he got his answer obviously our president told him very clearly that he cannot call turkey an invader but the president is also got his answer didnt he said the reason its an invasion this is Lindsey Graham the reason its an invasion is thats exactly what you did i warned you not to do it and everything that i was worried about came through in spades but it is senator graham who said a couple of years ago to ask quarter and then the defense minister of the United States that p. K. Is the same as p y d y p g p y d y p g in syria is the p. K. He is the one he said this on record now hes changed his position its not for me to comment on his flip flopping on this issues but we have had a very clear policy line on this issue we do not want to see any terrorist element taking over piece of land rolling over people in syria whether by k. K. K. Or isis or al qaida or any other groups and you have according to the pentagon thats exactly the effect of what youve done the pentagon said just a week ago craigs quoting information from the Defense Intelligence agency the terrorist organization talking about isis exploited the turkish incursion and movement of u. S. Forces to reconstitute capabilities and resources within syria and strengthen its ability to plan attacks abroad thats exactly what you didnt want to happen isnt it well to the contrary actually it was p y d y p g in. That release about 800. 00 isis terror. In prison when President Trump spoke to our president about what turkey is going to do about the isis prisoners and our president said very clearly on that phone call that we will take care of them that is we will keep them locked up we will not release them we will try them we will try to return them to their countries of origin and this is what we did but it was by the g. P. Why did that release them from prison in and they know this thats on the record eminently foreseeable that that would happen why will they did that and this why did why did why this was the result but why did why p. G. Did that. For of for for that you very clearly action well whats the answer the answer is that why the why p. G. Wants to use isis actually as a bargaining chip in the eyes of the west telling them that you know without p y d y p g the fight against isis will be successful they need p y d y b g on the ground to fight isis and be argued to the contrary from the very beginning you cannot fight one terrorist organization with another one you cannot fight isis with the p k k but if the effect is that 6 months down the line isis in a much stronger position what are you going to do just say sorry feel military action we fought against isis in the jobless area with the Euphrates Shield operation we have eliminated more than 3000 isis terrorists v. Have about 1200 isis prisoners in turkey more than half of them are international setters some are turkish we are keeping them in prison we are not releasing them we are going after all isis elements if you look at the turkish Syrian Border which is about 911 kilometers all the way from the iraqi border there is not a single isis element present in that strip of lent you have cleared our border from the isis in fact we made this case to president obama before he decided or when he decided to support p y d y e g in the fight against isis we told them look you dont need p y d to fight against isis we can do this with the National Elements in syria we can do it with the turkish army ok you dont want we dont need to have u. S. Troops on the ground but you can provide air support ok and you can take care of isis they did on the ballot let me let me just go back to your justification for this operation do you have a right to make your border area safe from terrorism to force militant kurdish groups p y d y p g out of this socalled terror corridor but very few countries are buying this and if the job of a president ial spokesman is to sell the president s line youre not having much success. You look at the Us Ambassador James Jeffrey theres. Departments point man on syria he said turkey launched this operation despite our objections undermining the isis campaign risking endangering and displacing civilians destroying civilian infrastructure and threatening the security of the area thats not much of an accolade theres none of that happened actually they claim he doesnt know what hes talking about well thats not what he told us in our meetings ive had many meetings with jim hes a good friend and of course as professionals we work on this issues together he may be a good friend person not a great man and none of those ranges that you actually came true if you look at they said that there will be a huge humanitarian crisis with the Turkish Military operation it didnt happen people went back to their homes they said that kurds will be attacked no kurds were attacked except p y d y p g terrorists on the ground they said christian minorities will be oppressed or killed none of that happened in fact it was our military that and these are just reasons why our union church a plane of i now there of worship being peacefully in russell and im talking about the army and church there so all the things i think you know that have aisle a sions that they said would happen and have happened happened where where exactly give me some examples ambassador jeffrey interest and bastard geoffrey again gave you examples he said we would say that turkish supported Syrian Opposition forces who were under a general turkish command in at least one instance did carry out a war crime and weve demanded an explanation you claimed you claimed a number of investigations were under way trying to human rights abuses so youre asking me about something you already know how many investigations by the way and by whom and number of investigation by our military have been launched how many mr kalam how many some of them are operational details i will rather not you can tell me if there are any now right probably us all to find out as a good journalist you dont know and you dont know why its just a blanket excuses in this look if you look at the civilian casualties in the syrian war. Can you guess how many people how many civilians have died in the operation in iraq or. Make a guess were not talking about no youre talking about syria those are talking about syrian civilians severely talking about Human Rights Violations around 3000 civilian people died in iraq. The city of raka was destroyed level to the ground around a 1000 people civilians were killed in the resort and in mosul again in the fight against isis if youre going to talk about all this i think we should be very candid and clear about this issue and it would be nice to be level your hours and your very very very about your rights invest in young 90 elevenths or to be very very heroes in the fight against isis in mosul along how many civilians have been killed in our operation this coming you dont have a great record on investigating Human Rights Violations do you so why should things be different now if in 2016 the un committee against torture cited credible reports of turkish moore and foresman officials in gauging in torture and treatment of detainees the Committee Said it was concerned at the reported impunity enjoyed d by those who committed such acts impunity doesnt suggest you were doing much investigation into those things does that we have a 0 tolerance policy towards torture we have in fact clear our prisons our judicial system for torture weve had this in the past but what youre referring to is what happened right after the bloody coup attempt on july 15th 2016 when the fetter terrorists carried out in turkey killing 251 people doesnt wizened suter torture people i didnt say there is torture im not saying this to justify im referring to those who made those claims who were actually behind this quick temper killing 251 people injuring about 1200 people they had the intent to kill the elected president of turkey the reports mr kalin go on and on 2 years ago the ngo freedom from torture said that from 2011 to 2016 all the years where most of the one in the k. P. Have been in power turkey was one of the top 10 countries for referrals after torture and in 2016 you moved into the top 5 no known investigations were carried out in a number of investigations have been carried dominated we have how many and by whom you want to say 203040. Well i can give you what you will detail id like the truth i will i can i will be had like give you the exact numbers i dont have the reports of it and ill be happy to send them to you in 273 in the council of europes commissioner for human rights said the problem of effective investigations and impunity of Security Forces is a very longstanding and entrenched problem in turkey so youre not fooling anyone you know is talk of if youre not in the business falling anyone were taking care of our own National Security when you face this kind of credible National Security threats against the p. K. K. Or from the p. K. Care from isis terrorists from fetter terrorists those terrorist organizations in the west only recognizes one of them that is isis because it attacks western interests but the others since they are only in turkey and attacking turkey the elected government Security Forces or the civilians nobody wants to talk about it mr cohen you sent in last month you sent in your syrian proxy forces into the northeast corridor of the country knowing that in all likelihood they would torture abuse and possibly murder people because thats exactly what they had done in the Northern City of africa which you seized in 28. 00 teams isnt it not at all in august that year Amnesty International reported you gave free rein to syrian groups armed by you to commit serious human rights abuses in africa that didnt happen in our friend there was looting enough and they were penalized but its the same group by the way youre talking about the syrians themselves fighting for their own freedom for their own country against the brutality of this regime to which the western world has not turned a blind eye were the only ones actually taking care of millions of refugees and the syrians in both turkey and on the syrian side its the same Syrian National army which the americans supported or plumbs to support 5 years ago 6 years ago they changed their policy in the course of time is the same Syrian People who fought against the assad forces in the in the perry. When they fought against assad and isis in that area everybody applauded them whats the situation when it came to when they came to p y the y p g health area suddenly the air changed they said well there are terrorists they are jihadists they are the same people who fought in the everybody is thankful to turkey for keeping things under control in italy because we prevent it in other name i dont see much gratitude go see much gratitude coming your way at the moment are basically taking care of about 7000000 Syrian Refugees for the last 45 years we are preventing another major humanitarian crisis and other migration for from there i know theyre doing more than anyone i know that like we do you know what the situation in africa is now its very its very calm no there is no very calm ok there is no ice is there is no p. Y. T. There much of what you are saying you know again you say journalists and its a very accountable in syria you say the regional they are not present in a but the reason they are upset about often they lost a big chunk of land if you ask the origin of Kurdish People living enough and which is about 400001 way in africa and ask them how they are being treated now compared to how they were treated under p. Why do you want me to control 2 months ago the un human when i ask around that question to months ago the un human rights of his reported the situation in africa contrary to your nice assurances remained dire armed factions that carved up the province into zones of influence there was repeated kidnappings torture extortion and assassination that some legacy you left behind doesnt it no look condi had cleared our initial run p y d y p g terrorists which are the marxist leninist leftist group which is supported by all the freedom loving liberal western countries including the trumpet mr ation which is really mind boggling for me that the United States will support a marxist Leninist Organization in syria in the name of fighting against isis. Well whats baffling to them is that you have your forces on the ground according to William Roebuck whos the Top State Department official in Northern Syria your forces have committed abuses on the ground war crimes and ethnic cleansing he said on november the 7th turkeys military operations spearheaded by armed Islamist Groups on its payroll represents an intention laced effort at ethnic cleansing it was he added an unprovoked military operation that at the time he spoke november 7th had killed some 200 civilians and left over 100000 people newly displaced and homeless we have heard this many times from the centcom people within the trumpet ministration which actually no never again you just themselves reconcile beat the fact that we are taking this action against their socalled allies you want them to replicate. You want them to recognize they are reconciling themselves with a p. K. Care terrorist network in syria giving them piece of land and then while at the same time talking about syrias territorial integrity or ethnic balance in syria how can you explain the fact that you favor one ethnic group which is linked to a picnic a terrorist network the socalled kurds against all the arab kurdish nonpeak. The arabs the christians the turkoman all the others serious they are coming to us telling us the oppression that they are living under under the vi p. G. Mr callan weve talked about some of the criticism of your actions especially from our allies but what you really want to stamp out is criticism at home isnt it on october the 10th your broadcast regulator. On the turkish media not to say anything critical about your action in turkey that there would be as they put it is 0 tolerance of any broadcasting that might negatively impact the morale and motivation of soldiers or may mislead citizens through incomplete falsified or partially. Information that serves the aims of terror in other words you put it anything that the government doesnt like and youre in deep trouble so much for press freedom while you kind of freedom that Media Outlets in turkey the only a lot of them youve closed down on the internet you have all kinds of different views attacking the president every single day attacking me and us thats why in the 1st week of the offensive you closed down 839 social media accounts for sharing as you put it criminal content 186 they were taken in that they were a chance for indicating 24 remanded in every trial the terrorist propaganda you would in a library proof of that have you you wouldnt allow that in the u. K. When you do it in the west its for public order when we do it its oppression since the 2016 coup or 10180 Media Outlets have been forcibly closed over 220000 websites blocked according to the ngo article 19 in september said scores of journalists remain in jail or and travel bans hardly a proud record for you is it the ever hear dealing with news outlets that is spreading propaganda for the Terrorists Network when you are dealing with a terrorist that carried out that attempt on july 15th yes they had the media empire nothing out of a media empire in turkey you fling around reason fetter evil im talking every hour on these accusation xperia remind me actually to spread their propaganda now unfortunately they have a free reign free right here investing capitals theyre all over the place according to the germanys own committee for the protection of the constitution the presence of the p. K. K. In germany alone i have the full report here thats in german im sure our german colleagues will know about this you wont mind if we now go through it this is not our report by this is germanys on on official report in fact when president bush than meyer came to turkey when he was foreign minister about 2 years ago i think president presented this report to him as well said look this is your own report and. Because any further know what it says i think what it says is that you are giving a free right to pick a care in germany why do you do that and as far as they are not doing that in turkey as far as the west is concerned this was a report from a British Parliamentary Committee back in 2017 there is a fundamental intolerance of alternative narratives in turkey with the government broadly suppressing discrediting or punishing those who contradict its accounts of sensitive events look there are journalists who do their job they are free to report have critical comment nobody has any problem with that there are those who spread propaganda who use actually id cards press courts but function as p. K. Operatives who are and those are people who subject to extreme conditions in your prison like ahmed sheikh for instance from jim hooley at newspaper riyadh he were reported to have been d. N. D. Evolved actually solitary resilin fine by the glen is in the 1st place he was put in prison by the glenister so that makes it all right now the nonelected members know what im saying this is this is the extent of the power that these people had in turkey we were clearing them from the media out that from the judiciary from the police for delivering your cleaning you dont have anything against him no no no im talking about the fed to people that had in fact the judiciary did the Security Forces in their hands and now we are for clearing them with most of the things that youre referring to in fact is a reference to this people im referring also to what the e. U. Commission in its latest report called the backsliding on human rights backsliding in a number of areas affecting human rights it says your accession negotiations have affectively come to a standstill its time to end this isnt it because you have no intention of meeting the conditions for membership that have been set down by the you have you ever promised to be a full member in the European Union many many many times and then you violated human rights left right isnt and weve been made since august. 263 or fish will be gotten official date in 2004 and 5 it was our president president edwin actually who put so much Political Capital into this and we were presented with a package of 36 chapters no candidate member was ever presented with this many chapters and then what happened 15 years later to be open on the one chapter close only one chapter im not even tears sorry but you say youre the victim here you like to play the victim the victim of what biased against turkey i dont see myself as a victim im just stating the facts look there is an enlargement process or fatigue in europe and their occupations to be met they want they dont want to and you dont need spend the cal and there you dont negotiate fatigue in turkey also how long will it take another century for turkey to be a full member thats 2 years isnt it one thing out of 5 neither the additions that could happen or look most of the you know theyre just talking about for example in Eastern Mediterranean today is related to cyprus if you remember what happened in 2004 with the underfed on the. For the unification of the island the turkish side said yes the greeks said no and what happened afterwards in fact that you knew what you were this does what what Turkish Air Force that you talk so much about is this part of the anti turkish chorus that you often talk about im talking about what what are you saying. Considering the e. U. Is biased against turkey in the in the e. U. After the referendum what they did instead of actually. Challenging the greek side on this issue they accepted the greek side as a full member and that violated another key principle you dont bring in a bilateral territorial dispute into the e. U. They did exactly that and now for the last 1415 years weve been dealing with these issues but my point is that its either cyprus or human rights issues or security or turkish but its one thing after another that is presented as a as an excuse or an obstacle for turkeys e. U. Membership ok so you know what you know what the conditions are where you are going to be said were not calling a day then we go youre never going to call it a day you want to do it they can they are welcome to do it we are still committed to joining the e. U. As a full member nothing short of a full member mr cowen lets just look briefly in the time we have left at the purges the people who were after the coup attempt in 26 i think i would answer the people who were fired from their jobs many thousands of them had to be cleared later on because the charges against them were nonsense one day thousands of people who were falsely implicated in the coup attempt had to be reached in stall because the allegations against the war for its not that they have the chance to defend themselves before they were fired this is life from the your a. K. P. In the or we are getting hurt you have no i dont there isnt your light or the western side of berlin right now does it matter what on the eastern side you know how many people were fired from their jobs when the unification happened were not talking about. German im not talking about you have to say i know you dont want to talk about this you have to be needed in france that irish thing you know when it comes to about your own issues you want to provide the context when it comes to turkey you deny me the right to state the context im asking the audience here how many people were fired from their jobs when the unification happened in 1000 this is give you the number 500000 people so you want workers these are soldiers with journalists these are diplomats you can play but what about the game and its very fashionable know im a while it isnt there you say what about what about beaners im going to i dont know what about china or what happened in that if youre trying to talk about youve heard searing the question the very same time is the central thousands of people were fired and humiliated and their reputations were drawn through the mud here before finally they were able to clear their names they because this is a judicial fiat for this chap but look what happened in the meantime they have applied those who were cleared in fact are free either to go or to apply for their jobs and thats still a process under way of course im not saying that everything is perfect there there is still room for improvement there are still thinks that we need to do to make sure that this people you know have their full rights but you have to see this in context your party has sat back and watch countless peoples lives ruined while you through allegations that the that turned out to be false there is a judicial process oh order should apply eventually eventually may there was d there were the 4 for this 500 cares about the Collateral Damage there were these 500000 people who were fired from their jobs during the unification because they were suspected of working for such as. 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