The plane killing all 176 people on board. Im burnt off its good to have you with us tonight there is mounting evidence that iran is shot down that Ukrainian InternationalAirlines Plane which crashed near tehran on wednesday canadas Prime Minister has echoed u. S. Reports that intelligence sources indicate iran most likely hit the plane now the jet was on its way from the iranian capital tehran to the ukrainian capital kiev unnamed u. S. Officials have told American Media that Iranian Air Defense systems may have accidentally shut down the airline ukraine has asked western nations to provide any evidence they may have to help with its investigation. Now the plane was carrying 176. 00 people 63. 00 of them canadian heres what canadian Prime MinisterJustin Trudeau said in just the last few hours we have intelligence from multiple sources including our allies and our own intelligence. The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by in a rainy and a surface to air missile. This may well have been an intentional. Foreign minister for so official thanks spoke with the rainy and Foreign Ministers the wreath. Minister shaul fanning made it clear that canadian officials Must Immediately be granted access to iran in order to provide Consular Services identify the victims and participate in a thorough investigation he also condemned iranian strikes that targeted military bases in iraq where Coalition Forces including canadians are currently stationed iranian authorities have indicated that they wish to keep the black boxes in iran but have indicated to president s olinsky of ukraine that ukrainian investigators would have access to those black boxes. All right its take this now to larry vance hes a pilot and former aviation investigator with the canadian Transportation Safety board lairds good to have you on the show i want to ask you about what the Prime Minister just said there just said there that iran may allow ukrainian investigators to have access to the planes black box and the flight recorder data. As a former crash site investigator yourself would that suffice for a proper investigation. You know it would be it would be no normal if if they were excluded anybody expertise who should be there if they would exclude him from the investigation that was not the right candidate has a right to be there canada should be there our expertise should be there along with the expertise from other places around the Different Countries and if they want to have a credible investigation credible findings that are accepted what the except that theyre going to have to open an investigation to more than just the experience thats for sure. From what you have seen obvious obviously we dont have access to the intelligence that the Prime Minister of canada have or that the u. S. President says that he has seen but as a former investigator yourself and what youve been able to see what would indicate then that this plane was indeed shot down. Well certainly the sequence of events is not new consistent with the aircraft having been shot there that would be leading. Off the seas in the investigation they would have 2 investigations ongoing a criminal investigation looking into this shoot down and potential bomb snares they would have a Safety Investigation ongoing looking into see if there were mechanical failures that couldve. Been the lead of it but right now by far and away especially given this new information from our Prime Minister and other sources that they have direct information that a missile was was in play them trying to places they have been tracking devices on very sophisticated systems they have obviously seen something in their in their tracking show a missile that was involved with this but as an investigator i can tell you that the sequence is entirely consistent with a missile hitting it i dont know that that means theres proof that it did but the value of that but its very consistent and very intense is that with a mechanical type of failure and tuesday night wednesday morning is when this crash took place it was the same time that the iranian air strikes were launched against bases in iraq how how do you explain the fact then that the airspace over iraq and iran was open to any kind of commercial passenger airplanes. Well if they knew that they were going to be shooting missiles in their you know the area. Its you know it doesnt take much to to to conclude that it would have been proved to shatter their system the missiles its clear graphs should be in the same area what you would use would you put then maybe some of of the the blame here or at least ask the Ukrainian Airlines officials why did they allow the plane to take off to begin with and fly to or head for key when they knew that there could be possible military action taking place. And i dont know that they do that. This is why of your investigation a full investigation and open investigation has to take place to answer all these questions i dont know that. Anybody shouldnt be in a position to say one way or the other what somebody should have done in hindsight when we dont have that information we need to make those calls now larry vance pilot and former aviation investigator there we appreciate you with very Little Information helping us connect the dots here we appreciate it thank you it was nice talking to you well im joined by gad brown a correspondent in ottawa canada just attended Justin Trudeau press conference he joins me on the phone we just heard that Justin Trudeau says that he has intelligence indicating that iran shot down that ukrainian plane by most stink. Whats been the reaction there in canada. So this was really a surprise that Justin Trudeau caused this press conference on a very very short notice around 2 oclock and then he came and delivered his statement and he said that. The canadian government now has intelligence from several smiled at the sources including our allies and our own intelligence and this evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an earring and surface to have missed that was his is what they are and this was really a surprise because a day earlier he said he was very careful and he said no speculation and its too early and so now it says the he says that that the preliminary. Assessment and it might have been unintentional it might have been accidental but the evidence suggests that it might have been a rocket that brought down this airplane the Prime Minister was also asked how much responsibility the United States bears for this plane going down considering that that was in retaliation for the u. S. Killing of irans top military general earlier this week now mr trudeaus dodged that question in the press conference do you see that the linking of all of the events do you see that affecting the relationship between canada and the United States. This is of course the thought and pass that that everybody here in inaudible think about that that these drone strikes led to this terrible incident just 2448 hours ago with the deaths of so many people and this is in the thoughts of the families who mourn now the loss of members of their family and. I can see right now is that is directly influence of the relationship between the u. S. And canada and Prime Minister trudeau is a very very careful when it comes to dealing with President Trump is very careful and therefore he. There were several questions in this direction that you mentioned and he repeated it too early and we need a thorough investigation we must make sure why this happened and what happened and then we will draw for the conclusion so hes very very careful because he knows how important the relationship to the u. S. Is and 30001 to put any risk on this does canada does it have any means or web bridge. Tonight to convince iran to what canadian investigators into the country to investigate or even to let them see the black box in the flight data recorder. Theres little what kind of i can do except really. Appeal to the iranian government tour to let canadian investigators into the country there are no formal diplomatic relations now for 7 years 8 years between canada and the iran. Cannot sense now what diplomatic consular person or 2 to their iran and Foreign Affairs minister talked to his iranian counterpart to ask for this access so we still dont know whether they will get it but can other really pressures in this direction unfortunately they dont have a lot of weight to to play with and and force even. Ok rentoul to apply to comply with this right journalist cared for and joining us from all over candidate with the latest on the story from there thank you very much thank you alright and from handle there we want to move now to the United States to washington our correspondent publicly helios is on the story for us probably you heard what is being said candidate whats being asked and what is being said in the United States about this unbelievable tragic course of events. Well at the moment we still dont have any official word from the United States we were almost expecting to hear something from the pentagon we did of course hear from President Trump earlier today he spoke but sort of didnt really divulge a great amount of interest were sort of depending very much on what is being reported in the u. S. Media there theyre quoting out u. S. Officials but before we get into greater detail on that i think its best if we actually listen to what president trying to say earlier on because he did indicate that he had information which pointed in the direction to what president to add what Prime Minister trudeau had to say so lets take a lets take a listen 1st to President Trump i have my suspicions it was very i dont want to say that because other people have those suspicions also. Its a tragic thing when i see that its a tragic thing. Because somebody could have made a mistake on the other couldve couldve made a mistake it was flying it was it was flying in not our system it has nothing to do with us and it was flying in a pretty rough neighborhood and somebody could have made a mistake some people say was be can it go i personally dont think thats. Even a question. We hear the president right there saying something could have happened a mistake on the other side and then he says and said nothing to do with is that being picked up on in the United States at all as an effort by trump to distance itself from any type of culpability for the. As being feeling the heat over the past few days considering how close the situation and intensified there in the region following the assassination of the iranian general last week which resulted of course in these. These missiles being sent over to iraq and you know so theres a lot of talk about doubt about how this situation between President Trump and around led to the possible now whats looking more and more likely like at the this a ukrainian aircraft being a shot down but of course at the moment as well whats being said is that u. S. Officials do seem to have information with regards to what happened to this aircraft saying that. There are like i said the u. S. Media are quoting u. S. Officials saying that they had the infrared signals to go in the direction of a surface to air missile public house with the latest from washington thank you pablo and of next t w Business News was do not stick around for then it should be with you right after the break. Every 2 seconds the person is forced to flee their home. The consequences of the disastrous were documentary series displaced depicts dramatic humanitarian crises for profit. 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