Here in brussels this is previous highly mariyam decile and denied for many years but Human Rights Violations have taken place and whose government locked up many thousands of Political Prisoners i see no shame for the torture that was perpetrated on the lives that were ruined during his time in office. Haile mariam welcome to contact so thank you so much thank you for having me ethiopia has a new Prime Minister now of the who took over after you resigned last year hes now received a Nobel Peace Prize basically for doing many of the evils of your government and doing what you couldnt do within 100 days. Dont you feel something of a failure when you look at what hes done. I know that because. I have done my share to bring this change to happen. Premise that abby has not come from blue moon it has come from the past in which i was there is a dream you have but hes begun correcting the massive human rights abuses which were prominent feature of the auto no trace that is it is that my party which started the reform process and we say. The process should be a deep no one to the country basically but also to the party itself so i think that is a process which yielded Prime Minister rabin. Prime minister so he continued with the process pro reform my gender my party and his party whether this is Nobel Committee cited his achievements as lifting the countrys state of emergency granting amnesty to thousands of Political Prisoners for years you always denied there were in the scrapping Media Censorship legalizing outlawed opposition groups dismissing military and civilian leaders suspected of corruption all the things that you failed to do when you were in office by the way do you know that 9095 percent of the Prisoners Released due to my office. Before i left office and before i resigned so i think what i would be did was there remaining 5 percent which has to be released so the decision was a decision of the party. And i took that action before i resigned how many did you release almost all the millions something how many more than 3000 or so you know where there were many more than 3000 in jail yeah but its only people who recently been arrested been released but the main political figures which has been that mr been released due to my. Before i resigned in may this year the attorney general. Filed criminal charges against your former intelligence chief who asked for alleging human rights abuses and corruption hes gone missing that you know where he will have it i dont know im not in office now no information 20 other people were charged with him he had served until june 28th seen. He had served you as Prime Minister who were denying that any human rights abuses were being committed i think youre youre lucky information lucky evidence it is my government and my party who admitted that there has been a human rights abuse. You start the year off to hear an interview say nobodys being mistreated we have no Political Prisoners one of the other you gave interviews sitting smiling across the fields of usa no everythings fine here you know you always forget you have to understand their will how our part to operate not murder one of us spoke in the way you operate with me if youd like to set off let me finish 1st if thats the case then you know that we have been historically. We have to understand that in the 1st place this is a party fighting left and you know us. When there is a communist mentality and when its a marxist mentality there is a centralism where you draw into after war after your Party Decides on issues even though you have differences in as a minority you take with you so you just hold the line whatever it is because youre too cowardly to say anything about whats really going oh i think that its no excuse that sort of misplacing the whole thing is that we believe in our party and the government that we need to reform our system we need to bring about. And we need to democratize our country because thats a country always number of interest is and there is an introduction of ethnic mobilized politics which is very dangerous and therefore we have we have decided that we need to go how does that in deep lead in the forming our country for something actually believe it is in washington you didnt get it i need were going to have a force think well if you had done that the Prime Minister when he came in by me as the abbey wouldnt have had to convince Police Brutality pledged to richer rein in the Security Services tackle what he called economic mismanagement corruption and rights abuses all of this spending far as you want to spin off this is also misplaced see because premise that abby has not come from a blue moon he has doesnt matter where he came from and theyre with us hes cleaning up the mess isnt a no no its not hes not cleaning up his messes hes going on the mess up the mess you left and i think this is also misplacing and i really want to say that you know correctly this is our partys admission of our collective mistake and then we put in place properly hes told things that you failed to do by november last year dozens of Intelligence Officers and high level officials have been arrested including people from the military run metals and Engineering Corp met tech on charges of corruption and human rights is this is your level put those charges to that speed that is the study which i introduced new york to be finished i did it. November last year you were in the office i did it you dont have been a business i did it i lunched in the studies and then completion of the 2 studies that actually has been the attorney general said 63. 00 people have been arrested that months november last year 27 for corruption 36. 00 on charges of Human Rights Violations that included the former head of mattick conflict dagny a Brigadier General over whom you did nothing you did nothing about that study you lucky with this i love the study and a group of people who study the study its challenging people with human words in your life and charged to. Challenge people after you said after concretely when there is a criminal investigation and unity that investigation has been launched by may 3rd local media said huge sums of money were missing from this company a matter of whether the girl let the let the court decide on it as Prime Minister he was supposed to look after the Public Places the military was supposed to follow your orders. And you 15 to fail spectacularly to make them do that for him to feel any remorse at the crimes you were allowed to take place when you were Prime Minister no i think i have resigned because i was not able to you know change dramatically whatever has to come between 2 week no i i say fiction actually i have my own history in this and i have my own weaknesses and you have to not to look into only the weaknesses but you had also see the strengths of this country has gone and you know you know that my country has been visited during my tenure by 6 of the 77 leaders and they all announced that this country has been working very hard at double digits grows the economy. Achievements where we have its dictated our people out of poverty the only country which has actually in. 7 hours of this 8 images and now where the by the United Nations by my time so i think you have to see all those positive things we have achieved last day of the last over the rest of the attorney general. Said investigated her uncovered serious abuses by Security Services at secret prisons in the capital and elsewhere do you know what your Security Officers were doing in the single prisons i dont know those sticks wives and children did you ever ask i dont know visit how can i do or if your intelligence doesnt give me information how can you know there were plenty of foreign reports that torture was going on which you do not own it in your hand and now youre telling me you didnt know what was going on or i didnt say you said i also serves your denials were just proforma denials now are not going to know everything when you were in office no not at all you did you said they didnt know everything you didnt you didnt know what was going on in these prisons you didnt ask you werent interested. They know it or fish only we know some of the appeal abuses and i have taken in my time some of the actions. Of those things but i didnt know that there are you know informal prisons which has been there the attorney general said there are people who have been blinded and held in darkness for long periods of time others have been left infertile because of blows to their genitals there are some that had limbs broke or women have been subjected to gang rape and men have been sort of modest all this happened until your rule so i had to ask you on she was shame that this was going on until you were ruled no i am not sure which assured that when this happened but i didnt know those things and if i knew those things i would architected them because this is a very sacred things happened well it didnt take long for this Prime Minister to find out what was going on so obviously nice looking in light lace and you do not believe you know either you didnt want to look at each area in mid room for displaying them to art i was struggling very hard to bring him to power and i did every you lost your job thats why you gave up you lost control of the party lost faith in you thats why you gave up what i think you can you can say that going to struggling to control the rest of the country because failure cases ringback that is going out in it myself i did it intentionally because i wanted to see that this fiction should come so i think this is genuinely what has happened and i did my best in paving the way for this to happen so i think that has to be clearly kind of did i did i think a big clearly wriggle of it when we have been in your prisons during your term in office with being subjected to gang rape and men to sort of my ization now that you know this even if you say you didnt know it at the time. With europe. The g. To the victims i didnt have a permit as well when they said when they resigned because thats the system which was open to me and maybe you meant to the victims and apologize personally to them if there is a need to be and when you havent done so have you i have i have been to get those chance and i would if we had been conciliation and threw them into consideration commission established and asked process as well how do you sleep at night knowing that this was going on in your torture centers carried out by your officials when you were Prime Minister how do you sleep at night. If i knew then i said to you that i was there to collect everything in my disposal if i knew it but i did know that your meal your said to be a religious man from a family of pentecostalists start right thats wrong. How does gang rape and sodomy zation fit in with your religious values no i didnt know i say if a new it doesnt fit in in my prayers but you went on denying it denying it denouncing those born every interview that thats the report there the noisy despite the reports coming all employees of the human Rights Groups all over the world which you just rubbished you said thats not true theyre outside as there are enemies dont listen to them everything is following the you said i think i have never say everything is fine you said there was no nor mistreated us i said there was no mistreatment going on there is a problem but i was saying that my report is that its not to the extent where has been said thats what im saying by then any case i report which i was i was giving to the public which which was the case lets take another Detention Center gigo Central Prison otherwise known as jail regional Detention Center in the east of the country but ministered in part by your special police it was closed in august last year you know what was going on there as well no i dont know why not you knew the prison existed and you know what you were right you had no good reason to you have no curiosity mr high among you didnt want to know what was going on in your jails no its not the case you know that in general governments have their own rights and i think the whole thing is i did my my work according to the reports they get from my intelligence and from my sources and therefore thats what what was the kids. People reported there were many of the former prisoners who said they saw people dying in their cells after being tortured by officials in this are gathered in jail and as it was called what should happen to the officials who carried out this torture. I mean what should happen to them there in prison and thats it. Just prison sentences and what should happen to you for turning a blind eye to it that depends on the legal system of the country you know either his own the simply because to take all the responsibilities but what is extraordinary is that with all the abuses that were carried out when you were Prime Minister you accepted from the new Prime Minister the nations highest award for Service Without even blushing without any embarrassment whatsoever now that you know what was going on while you were Prime Minister why didnt you give back a little more. Why should i because i have a number of positive things i have because you fail to show all this is one part of it and its a huge advantage of it that so few trollish is when you actually are as war could in my in my country that doesnt explain thats not the only thing you know i have done many good things there are issues in the system which are a failure which i initiated to reform and did conduct reform because i understood that age of you know before his admission and this too that there are something going on therefore i initiated this reform and then i have released 95 percent of the you are in if you were in office for 6 years and this new Prime Minister has come in and done more for human rights than you did in all the time you were there this is because they paved the way for him billy the Us State Department in 2016 published a catalogue of the human rights abuses taking place on the your rule which of course you deny it but then there are known to be true arbitrate killings disappearances torture harsher life threatening prison conditions detention without trial you know minute where they really werent but its what they said but how can you salvage you didnt know what was going on when all these reports were pointing to what was yes and whenever they knew that there are things going wrong i initiated the form and the serious reform and beautiful and thats the result where the Prime Minister has come into power you said when you result in that you wanted to be part of the solution in ethiopia how can you be part of the solution when you so much part of the problem. You know i would become part of the solution because in there is a problem which would result in probably child abuse and you created the atmosphere permissive out in the sphere in which your Security Officials believed they could torture but it was all right to torture go on torturing disappearing people no judicial exodus no do you created the atmosphere in which that was possible no i didnt create the atmosphere so while crossfire is then the system has been established then anyone whos in a world where there is could be accounted for but i didnt create this this point this the environment for them it is a deep system which i was not able to look into because of my background and because of my you know i must say they were coming into the deep system so i could see that when mr big came into power he couldnt wait to condemn the legacy of your government and draw a line in the earth time in office could be a pro last year he said that the government your government had sanctioned torture of its prisoners and said it had been guilty of state terrorism he said it he said in parliament does the constitution say anyone who was sentenced by a court can be tortured put in a guard netscape doesnt thats the role that the government was in his arms with not only might you were the Prime Minister of iraq rise in this order by the way he was there also the buck stopped yeah he politically decided to form including indian out of what the responsibility lay highly in the e. U. How do you do is yes it is not to try to get out of it what you try to get out of his relationship and form thats why you should that you know why im here thank you for this here in a shared vision for you blocked every attempt by the United Nations special rapporteur that should tell you or anyone has a if you call from an issue to come you see or at least we should. Come up from us and the only method locked i only reason you blocked my relation to gates was because you didnt want them to find out what was going on i did and i initiated that before before my eyes that mission a unit will undoubtedly for me is that what the result of the pain is that im going to come to power conjured so before my cold within him to pollack hundreds of people were killed in the your regime and you refused to have an independent investigation led by the un human rights official if you ask the killings the last one and half years the number of killed inside passed in 6 years what happened in my town if you ask for killings look thats ridiculous so the whole thing is you know i initiated this new form and a year ago before my dislike mission and i pave the way in for the new system you would have this in the bush was mean you say you are surely to reform you created a regime where people were tortured and disappeared and had their rights taken away from them consistently tens i have thousands of people i must not only did i while since i am basket an apology to my people that the region has some abuses of you know who my doubts and the deficit and democracy and that has happened i am and i still feel that and sort of for that but i can dish it out for change to come thats not much of an apology as it really isnt a half hearted apology no it is not and you michael yon got to resign you know it would have taken you to the last as many Leadership Program as ours you didnt want to spare you lost the faith and no i havent lost that Security Forces havent watched the army they already have a rest for their big arrest and they should know by this that they should have been investigated under your design of a worthwhile one to continue lies of the type of us you know i could have used everything up to the. Last of my bit if you want you know was the least a dictatorship yet you always claimed democracy took time you always said this is a fledgling democracy it takes too long a decision this is what every dictator says act the way they just said well if you give ill follow yourself in europe you pass through a number of 2nd wars before you can you seriously want to present read to you he just says its not hardly a possibility and thats on hurry to use this while they show or even York United States everywhere in the western countries you democracy has taken power and it has not come in one short and one day and one week and 1000000 it has taken you to much of that school and that will continue democracy is building them over the culture here in the us does everything to slow it down this style of worry of never shied away from associations or friendships either with indicted or convicted war criminals they hold some special fascination for who these people which runs like mr r. By sheer the former president of the bill in august you posted a controversial picture on facebook of you smiling next to ethiopia as exiled marxist leader Mengistu Haile mariam and then you took it out when there was a huge outcry because this man of course was found guilty in the sense here of genocide by the way i met him incidentally when i was there in somebody he was in the president s office when i was there in the president s office when i met him and i talked to him so thats what happened in any case and you posted a comment saying i wish to see more former heads of government and states in my country contributing their parts in different capacity of the peaceful transition of political blogs out of snow to me it is the officers there who did it and they say this is wrong. So you dont want mr mengistu with his conviction for genocide to play a part in the new ethiopia i think if we go through tools and then you can see Mission Commission and if he is or should be given a chance to know to apologize and then anything what the through Senate Conservation commission brings into it i then that leads the country in its sequential mission i have a deep belief that we need conciliation what mother says when some of the past even the future is worse of the possible answers that genocide is than something you just you just out there see by just feeling our way really how did it it was delusional doctor may come to explain to me please how a conviction for one of the most serious crimes on the planet would qualify mr mingus to contribute to the well being of your country howard how would a man with a qualification like that i think it depends on how did it one conviction for the side of genocide one of the most serious crime in us you are entirely this is south africa as you can say. A part of it isnt genocide it was the home i know for you its not just for a few times it is more than genocide where is your truth and Reconciliation Commission it is that has been established and we see that is that for you your supper time is not my for us it is so your quite happy for convicted war criminals to come back to your country and play their part good ole boy is good ole boy solution procedure last that yes if not then no how should future generations in africa protect themselves from people like you they should democrat that is their countrys growth dictators like you. I think living media type that is wrong is wrong this is us its not my my people. So i think this is misplacing again this is a good from yourself. I like. Thank you very much for being the culprits themselves. Eco africa. Bigger animals attract a lot of attention but dont overlook these little flowers there and. Do something to protect the. Trees or 36 tories from south africa. Identifying rare plants. 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