Have seen no shame for the torture that was perpetrated on the lives that were ruined during his time in office. Welcome to the conflict zone thank you so much thank you for having ethiopia has a new Prime Minister of the who took over after you resigned last year hes now received the Nobel Peace Prize basically for undoing many of the evils of your government and doing what you couldnt do within a 100 days. Dont you feel something of a failure when you look at what hes done. I know that because. I have done my share to bring this change to happen. And. Promise that abby has not come from blue moon it has come from the party which i was it is a dream you have but hes begun correcting the massive human rights abuses which were a prominent feature of your time notice that is it is that my party which started the reform process and we say. The process should be a no one to the country basically but also to the party itself so i think that is a process which yielded Prime Minister rabin. Prime minister so he continued the process pro reform my gender that my party and his party whether this is Nobel Committee cited his achievements as lifting the countrys state of emergency granting amnesty to thousands of Political Prisoners for years you always denied there were in the scrapping Media Censorship legalizing outlawed opposition groups dismissing military and civilian leaders suspected of corruption all the things that you failed to do when you were in office by the way do you know that 9095 percent of the Prisoners Released due to my office. Before i left office and before i resigned so i think what i did was they remaining 5 percent which has to be released so the decision was the decision of the party. And i took that action before i resigned how many did you release almost all the millions something. More than 3000 or so you know where there were many more than 3000 in jail yeah but its only young people whove recently been arrested been released but the main political figures which has been adverse to been released. Did in my turn before i resign in may this year the attorney general. Filed criminal charges against your former intelligence chief to ask alleging human rights abuses and corruption hes gone missing that you know where he will have it i dont know im not in office now no information 20 other people were charged with him he had served until june 28th seen. He had served you as Prime Minister who were denying that any human rights abuses were being committed i think youre youre lucky information lucky evidence it is my government and my party who have admitted that there has been. Abuse if you start the year off to here in interview say nobody is being mistreated we have no Political Prisoners one north to the other you gave interviews sitting smiling across the fields of usa no everythings fine here you know you are reasonable and you have to understand the way how our part to operate not one of the state in the way you operate with if you like yourself let me finish 1st if thats the case then you know that we have been historically you have to understand that in the 1st place this is a party fighting left and you know us. When there is a communist mentality and when its a marxist mentality there is a centralism where you dont award after your Party Decides one issue even though you have differences in as a minority you take with you so you just hold the line whatever it is because youre too cowardly to say anything about whats really going on all i see is that its no excuse that sort of misplacing the whole thing is that we believe that in our party and the government that we need to reform our system we need to bring up. Changes that we need to democratize our country and because thats a country we number of interest is and there is an introduction of ethnic mobilized politics which is very dangerous and therefore we have we have decided that we need to go deep really in the forming our country which is a person that you believe is in washington you didnt get it i need were going to have a force think well if you had done that the Prime Minister when he came in by me as the abbey wouldnt have had to condemn Police Brutality pledged to return rein in the Security Services tackle what he called economic mismanagement corruption and rights abuses all of this spending failed you want to spin off this is also misplaced see because Prime Minister abbott has not come from a blue moon he has got another way where he came from there with us hes cleaning up the mess isnt a no no its not hes not cleaning up his missis hes going on the mess up the mess you left dark knight i think this is also misplacing and i really always say that you know correctly this is our partys admission of our collective mistake and then we put in place properly hes done the things that you failed to do by november last year dozens of Intelligence Officers and high level officials have been arrested including people from the military run metals and Engineering Corp met tech on charges of corruption and human rights is this is your level put those charges through that speed that is the study which i introduced 1000000 to be finished i mean it. November last year you werent in office i did it you dont have any business i did it i should the studies and then completion of that the studies then action has been taken the attorney general said 63 people had been arrested that months november last year 27 for corruption 36. 00 on charges of Human Rights Violations that included the former head of mattick conflict bagnio a Brigadier General over whom you did nothing you did nothing about him in that study you lucky with this i love the study and the group of people who study the study its challenging people with human rights in North Charleston to usually call you showed up challenged people after you said after concretely there is a criminal Investigation Unit that investigation has been launched by may 3rd local media said huge sums of money were missing from this company emetic whether the girl let the let the court decide on it as Prime Minister he was supposed to look after the Public Places that the military was supposed to follow your orders. And you for seem to fail spectacularly to make them do that since you feel any remorse at the crimes you were allowed to take place when you were Prime Minister no i think i have resigned because i was not able to change dramatically whatever has to come be going to week because no i say fiction actually i have my own the strangeness and i have my own weaknesses and you have to not to look into only the weaknesses but you had also see the strengths of this country has gone and you know you know that my country has been visited during my tenure by 6 of the 77 leaders and they all announced that this country has been working very hard at double digit grows and the economy. Actually meant where we have its dictated our people out of poverty the only country which has actually and. 7 out of this 8 images and now where the by the United Nations by my time so i think you have to see all those positive things we have achieved last day of the member last of mr liebeler the attorney general. Said investigated her uncovered serious abuses by Security Services at secret prisons in the capital and elsewhere do you know what your Security Officers were doing in the single prisons i dont know those thieves might some issue in the future or ask the owner of a visit how can i do or if your intelligence doesnt give me information how can you know there were plenty of foreign reports that torture was going on which you deny it and youre good enough youre telling me you didnt know what was going on or i didnt see your scenario isnt only serves your denials were just proforma denials you know are not going to know everything when you were in office no not at all you did you said they dont know everything you didnt you didnt know what was going on in these prisons you didnt ask you werent interested. They know it or fish only we know some of the appeal of abuse this and i have taken in my time some of the actions. Of those things but i didnt know that there are you know informal prisons which has been there the attorney general said there are people who have been blinded and held in darkness for long periods of time others have been left infertile because of blows to their genitals there are some that had limbs broken women have been subjected to go rape and men have been sort of modest all this happened until your rule so i have asked people arent you ashamed that this was going to come to you would rule nor am i being assured that when this happened but i didnt know those things and if i knew those things i would of course acted them because this is a very sacred things happen well it didnt take long for this Prime Minister to find out what was going on so obviously nice looking in like place and you do not believe you know i you didnt want to look at it i am near whom for displaying to art i tried been very hard to bring him to power and i did every you lost your job thats why you gave up you lost control of the party lost faith in you thats why you gave up what i think you can you can say that going to be struggling to control the rest of the country because it was very a case of that is going out in it myself i did it intentionally because i wanted to see that this fiction should come so i think this is genuinely what has happened and i did my best in paving the way for this to happen so i think that has to be clearly kind of did i did i think a big clearly wriggle of it when we have been in your prisons during your term in office with being subjected to gang rape and men to some of them are ization now that you know this even if you say you didnt know later at the time. Well if your apology to the victims i didnt have a permit was when i when they said when arizona because thats the system which was open to me i meant to give you meant to the victims and apologize personally to them if there is a need to be and when you havent done so have you i have i have been to get the chance and i with we have with conciliation and through them any consolation commission established and ask process is well boiled how do you sleep at night knowing that this was going on in your torture centers carried out by your officials when you were Prime Minister how do you sleep at night. If i knew then i said to you that i was there to correct everything in my disposal if i knew it but i do know that your meal your said could be a religious man from a family of pentecostals is that right thats wrong. How does gang rape and sodomy ization fit in with your religious values no i didnt know i say if a new it doesnt fit in my brain yes but he went on denying it denying it denounce news for the every interview that thats that he put them enormously despite the reports they can be avoided leaving the human Rights Groups all over the world which you just rubbished you said thats not true theyre outside as there are enemies dont listen to them everything is following the you said i think i have never said everything is fine you said there was no mistreated us i said there was no mistreatment going on there is a problem but i was saying that my report is that its not to the extent what has been said thats what im saying by then any case i report which i was i was giving to the public which which was the case lets take another to Tension Center gigo Central Prison otherwise known as jail Regional Detention Center in the east of the country but ministered in public by your special police it was closed in august last year do you know what was going on there as well no i dont know why not you knew the prison existed and you know what you are right you have no good reason to you have no curiosity mr high among you didnt want to know what was going on in your jails no its not the case you know that if you tell governments have their own rights and i think the whole thing is i did my my work according to the reports they get from my intelligence and from my sources and therefore thats what what was the kids. People reported there were many of the former prisoners who said they saw people dying in their cells after being tortured by officials in this or garden jailers as it was called what should happen to the officials who carried out this torture. I mean what should happen to the. Dead in prison and thats it. Just prison sentences and what should happen to you for turning a blind eye to it that depends on the legal system of the country you know either his own simply because to take all the responsibilities but what is extraordinary is that with all the abuses that were carried out when he was Prime Minister you accepted from the new Prime Minister the nations highest award for Service Without even blushing without any embarrassment whatsoever now that you know what was going on while you were Prime Minister why didnt you give back a little more. Why should i because i have a number of positive things i have because you failed to show all this is one part of you and that is if judge labarga incident that says you trollish is when you watch your eyes water could in my mind make country that doesnt explain thats not the only thing you know i have done many good things there are issues in the system which are definitely what i initiated to reform and did conduct reform because i understood that age of you know before my use of mission and or stood that there are something going on therefore i initiated this reform and then i have released 95 percent of the you are in means you are in office for 6 years and this new Prime Minister has come in and done more for human rights than you did in all the time you were there this because they paved the way for him really the u. S. State department in 2016 published a catalogue of the human rights abuses taking place under your rule which of course you deny it but then the moon to be true arbitrate killings disappearances torture harsher life threatening prison conditions detention without trial you know minute where they really werent but its what they said but how can you tell you that you didnt know what was going on when all these reports were pointing to what was yes whenever they knew that there are things going wrong i initiated that form and the serious reform and the before and thats the result where the Prime Minister has come into power. You said when you result in that you wanted to be part of the solution in ethiopia how can you be part of the solution when you so much part of the problem. You know i did some part of the solution because in there is a problem which would result in probably cheering to you created the atmosphere of permissive outness fear in which your Security Officials believed they could torture but it was alright to torture go on torturing disappearing people not judicial its you dont know that you created the atmosphere in which that was possible no i didnt create the atmosphere so while crossfire is a lead in the system has been established then anyone who is in one way that is could be accounted for but i didnt create this this point this the environment for them it is a deep system which i was not able to look into because of my background and because of my you know i must say that are coming into the deep system so i couldnt see that when mr big came into power he couldnt wait to condemn the legacy of your government and draw a line in the earth time in office could be a pro last year he said that government your government had sanctioned torture of its prisoners and said it had been guilty of state terrorism he said it he said in parliament does the constitution say anyone who was sentenced by a court can be tortured put in a guard lets say doesnt thats the rule that the government was in his eyes were not only mine you were the Prime Minister i was in this order by the way he was there also the buck stopped yeah he could listen to me decided to reform including in the accounts of want to responsibility highly you know do you how do you yet you this yes it is that youre trying to get out of it why do you try to get out of his relationship and form thats why he should that you know why im here to tell you for the here in a show to show for you blocked every attempt by the United Nations special rapporteur should tell you it was a it should call for mass we have issued can you see the way before you should. Come up from us and the only method locked i only reason you blocked my list big gating was because you didnt want them to find out what was going on i did and i initiated that before before my is a mission a you dont know and doubt you for me is that what the result of pain is that im going to come to power convert so beautiful id kill all of it him to power the conscience of people were killed in the your regime and you refused to have an independent investigation led by the un human rights official if you ask the killings the last one and half years the number of killings side passed in 6 years what happened in my town if you ask for killings look darkest ridiculous so the whole thing is you know i initiated this new form a year ago before my dissemination and i paved the way for the new system you would have this in the bush was mean you say you are sure you do legal reform you created a regime where people were tortured and disappeared and had their rights taken away from them consistently tens i have thousands of people i was not needed i was on the ambassador then apology to my people that the region has some abuses of you know who my doubts and the deficit and democracy and that has happened i am i still feel that i am sort of for that but i can dish it out for change to come thats not much of an apology as it really is and thats a half hearted apology no it is not a new you are not resigning you know i could have taken it was the last as many Leadership Program as ours you didnt want your spell you lost the faith or not i havent lost that Security Forces havent lost the army theyre all going to have a rest for a rest and they should know by this that they should have been investigated under your time a worthwhile one to continue as the others you know i could have missed everything up to the. Last of my bit if you want your spirit is a dictatorship yet you always claim that democracy took time you always said this is a fledgling democracy it takes time and to see that this is what every dictator says act the way they doso want to do so come on the book yourself in europe you pass through any number of signal wars before you can use this one person read to you t. J. Says its not targeting a possibility and thats on the far east this list while they show even in europe United States everywhere in the western countries you know democracy has taken time and it has not come up in one short and one day and one week and 1000000 it has taken you to much and that is true and that will continue democracy is building democratic culture here is not justice everything to slow it down responded more and weve never shied away from associations or friendships either with indicted or convicted war criminals they hold some special fascination for you know these people which runs like mr al bashir the former president of sudan in august you posted a controversial picture on facebook of you smiling next to ethiopia as exiled marxist leader megastore haile mariam and then you took it out when there was a huge outcry because this man of course was found guilty in the sense here of genocide by the way i made him incidentally when i was there in some buy when he was in the president s office when i was there in the president s office when i made him and i talked to him so thats what happened in any case and you posted a comment saying i wish to see more former heads of government and states in my country contributing their parts in different capacity of the peaceful transition of political will of the doctors not to me it is the officers there who did it and they say this is wrong. So early you dont want mr mingus to with his conviction for genocide to play a part in the new ethiopia i think if we go through tools and you can see Mission Commission and if he is or should be given a chance to you know to apologize and then anything what the through Senate Confirmation commission believes into it i think that needs the country needs to conciliation i have a deep belief that we need conciliation what mother says when some of the past even the think is worse of the possible answers that genocide is than something you just you just out there see by just feeling our way really how did it it was relation to the from a country explain to me please how a conviction for one of the most serious crimes on the planet would qualify mr mingus to contribute to the well being of your country howard i would imagine with a qualification like that i think it depends on how that one conviction for a go at the side of genocide for the most serious and probably not entirely this is south africa as if you can say apart it isnt genocide was the hallmark and that for you its not just the times it is more than genocide where is your truth and Reconciliation Commission it is that has been established and we see that is that for years up our time has not by for us it is so youre quite happy for convicted war criminals to come back to your country and play their part good old boy is good old boy solution procedure i love that yes if not then no how should future generations in africa protect themselves from people like you they should do more crap than is their countrys greatest experiences like you know. 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